Published: Tuesday, Aug. 7 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
Try running a business in Somalia. There is no government so you should have
unlimited opportunity to prosper. Of course there is no education, so good luck
with your workforce. There is no infrastructure, so good luck moving your goods
to market. There is no court system, so good luck enforcing patents and trade
marks. For that matter, good luck keeping thieves, extortionists, arsonists,
plunderers, and kidnappers at bay. Good luck getting the U.S. State Dept. and
military to protect your capital, as they do for U.S. corporations.In short, good luck with that.
Jeez, is this really that big a deal?Again with the all or
nothing.It is a partnership. At least I hope it is, between
business and government and people.YOu can try to parse every word,
and assign your own meanings, but in the end, it is a combined effort of many
entities.Try running your business without roads and electricity.Here is a great, concise example.Las Vegas is a huge city
with many businesses making lots of money.Take away Hoover Dam and tell me
what Las Vegas would look like.Now tell me what "business"
would have built the Dam.I have see people on both sides take this
discussion to illogical extremes.The bottom line is that there are
things that the government provides that help business succeed. That
is what was meant.Quit making more of it than it is to suit your
"Hogwash" is exactly how I respond to baseless claims Mitt makes about
his expertise in job creation.Our magnificent President Obama has
done so much to correct the ugly situation brought on by Republican policies and
he absolutely deserves a second term to continue.
Mr. Myers has completely missed the point being made. Does our
economy, and therefore Myers' business, not depend on the existence of
roads, bridges and waterways?Does our society, and therefore the
quality of life Myers and his employees enjoy, not depend on police and fire
protection?Do Myers' customers, and therefore his business, not
depend on schools, sanitary water, health/safety inspectors and a justice system
to make living in this community possible?I hope Mr. Myers'
business is successful. I also hope Myers realizes that his success is also
dependent on the existence of public infrastructure and publicly funded agencies
that he and too many people are taking for granted.
I'm in favor of business, but we need government too. Government comes in
handy when, for example:1. A business hires workers educated in government
schools.2. A business licenses technology from universities funded with
federal research grants.3. A business wants to protect its patents,
trademarks or copyrights (can you imagine an information based economy
succeeding without patents and copyrights?)4. A business wants to use the
courts to collect debts or enforce contracts or stop unfair competition.5.
A business wants the Federal Trade Commission or Justice Department to be
protect it from monopolistic practices by its competitors.6. A business
wants a level playing field in the marketplace for which it needs the Securities
and Exchange Commission.And when businesses fail (as they sometimes do),
government comes in handy by:7. Administering the bankruptcy of the
business.8. Under certain circumstances, guaranteeing pensions.We
all want government to be more effective, but to ignore its benefits is
ostrich-like. I'm glad we don't live as hunter-gatherers any more.
Obama was not necessarily talking about government. He referred to a teacher or
someone that had an influence. No man is an island. To say anything was 100%
original with no outside influence is patently false.
It has been interesting to read the comments on both sides of this issue. If we
leave the politics out of it - that the President is making a case for higher
taxes on the wealthy and that Governor Romney's campaign has blatantly
taken his words out of context in an effort to discredit him - then it seems to
boil down to what we are as a nation. It is interesting to note that the early
leaders of the nation were lead by two factions, the Jeffersonian wing that was
considered liberal for promoting the rights of the individual and the Adams wing
that promoted a more communitarian approach. They were considered conservative.
In the 236 that have passed things have morphed in our interpretations of those
two terms. But it seems to me that in a culture such as the one built in Utah,
the idea that the collective efforts of all have lead to the general benefit of
society as a whole was practiced early on and still exists today. We are a
nation of people, not just a group of individuals. And until we accept that
concept our progress will be hindered.
God. You forgot God made everything and is a government in himself with
commandments laws and regulations. He made it all, so you could hunt
down those berries and claim you did it all on your own.He created
the constitution and thus the government of the USA so we could make roads......
ect and then you could claim you did it all on your own. Oh, look at you, all
grown up. I'd like to see you floating in space and claiming you did it all
on your own.
Another letter showing that people either don't get it, or they
deliberately choose to misrepresent and distort. Which is it?
Apparently this letter writer doesn't feel like the government's heavy
investment for the invention of the Internet did not help Google, Amazon, or
The proof is in the pudding. Shut up all of us "pro government"
types by telling us of one country with a weak federal government that is
prospering.Somalia, Afganistan, and Mexico, have weak or non-existant
governments, and they're sure doing great.
Really, people? How many times are we going to read essentially the same letter
which essentially agrees with what Obama said but the author is completely
unaware because said author has failed to do any research on the (completely
taken out of context) quote to which the letter refers?We get it.
We know that you do not really read the paper to which you are writing and that
you will blindly follow Romney no matter what he says or does. We also know
that it really isn't Romney you are blindly following but the (R) after his
name.Good for you! You are a mindless voter and proud of it!But do we really need an accurate statewide count? Do we really need a
"new" letter every day about this issue? Is there really nothing else
Obama has said and done that is worth writing a letter to the paper?Come on - and least be creative and write something new! This letter is based
on lie - the next one doesn't have to be any more truthful! Just please,
cover a different topic already!
No one is suggesting we dismantle the government but considering the fact that
all tyranny comes from governments, the power we allow our government to have
over our lives is crucial. Dictatorship or personal freedom is the choice and we
are moving fast toward a dictatorship in America by an expanding, intrusive, and
very expensive government!
Roland is right, we could not operate in an environment such as exists in
Somalia.But the argument made by many that the government is the
benevolen creator of all good and in its infinite wisdom has bestowed wealth on
us all is also flawed. That idea leads to the approach taken by BO
and many of his ilk that since under the current system some have flourished and
some have floundered, wealth MUST be taken from the prosperous and given to the
flounderer to correct some flaw in the system. That approach is wrong.BO's approach ignores the effort, ingenuity, risk taking, effort, and yes
- in many cases luck - of the flourisher. Because IF all is made possible SOLEY
because of the government, ALL would flourish and none would flounder.No, we should strive for equal opportunity, not equal outcome.
"No one is suggesting we dismantle the government"Unless you
consider the FDA or the EPA or the NEA or FEMA or the , uh, what was that next
one? Oops.Maybe they are not suggesting that we dismantle the WHOLE
government, but certainly some.And, lastly, Why is no one suggesting
we dismantle the government?Could it be that it does some things
that we need?
Somalia has no strong government? Baloney, they have a strong socialist
government! So much for that lame arguement!
lost in DC,"government is the benevolen [sic] creator of all
good and in its infinite wisdom has bestowed wealth on us all..."I know absolutely no one that believes this. Our president and his party do
not believe this. Is your political foe the Boogyman?
JoeBlow is spot on.It is a partnership between people and businesses
and their govt. The govt. in this case specifically formed and financed by the
people and their businesses to help with the things markets cannot or will not
do.In the old days, a town sheriff or school was often financed by
the local business community. Certain really big projects (damns, highways,
etc.) are beyond the kind of investment paybacks that businesses need. Govt.
does these better. Does the govt. do them all directly? Nope. It often hires
contractors to do the actual work. Govt. is, in that sense, a financing
mechanism for extremely large projects where the payback is diffuse.Overall, it is simply not all or nothing. Do we feel the need to trim back
our govt.? Great. Do we feel that there is something it should do it is not
doing? Fine. These are the discussions free people should have in a free
society.But all of this all or nothing stuff is nonsense. Govt. is
neither all good nor all bad. It is simply the collective will of the people to
do certain things. That will is expressed via the ballot box.
>MountanmanSomalia has a strong socialist government? What
you're referring to, I believe, is the former Somali Democratic Republic,
today known as the Somali Republic. They are, as you say, socialist. They also
control almost none of the country. They control a small part of the capital,
Mogadishu, and that's all. The Transitional Federal Government controls a
small part as well. So does the self-governing northwest region called
Puntland. 90% of the country isn't under the control of any government at
all. So, sorry, Roland's right on this issue.
@Mountanman"Somalia has no strong government? Baloney, they have
a strong socialist government! So much for that lame arguement!"I know this letter is about the United States, but I can't let a
bold-face ignorant statement like yours go unchallenged. According to the CIA
Worldfact website:"Somalia has lacked any internationally
recognized central government since the fall of the Siad Barre regime in 1991.
The current Transitional Federal Government is the seventeenth attempt to create
a formal state, the most recent of which brought the opposition Alliance for the
Reliberation of Somalia into the government in February 2009. The country is
currently controlled by various political and regional factions as well as local
warlords in the south and in two "republics" in the north."I know many people who have served as peacekeepers in Somalia and their
experience dictates far different than a strong socialist government. Their
government is "survival of the fittest" in the most extreme sense of the
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