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Published: Monday, Aug. 6 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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WestGranger
West Valley City, Utah

The silent majority flexed its muscles last week in their support for Mr. Cathy's right to speak freely in a world where many people live in fear of the oppression of the politically correct police from the left wing. Many of them justify and even glorify their intolerance and intimidation as a crusade for what is right.Too bad that we don't see more respect and less hostility for those with whom we disagree.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

I'm with the conservatives on this one; city government should not be trying to ban his business based on those remarks. While I agree that the threat of banning Chik fil a by city government is unethical and unwarranted, your other comparisons are not consistent.

First, bringing President Obama into this argument is a straw man. He's not involved, nor is he a business. This is not a logical argument or example.

Second, Chik fil-a was not hammered on by an intrusive federal government, this was done at the city level, which is closer to the scale and scope of government that conservatives want.

Third, I don't think your assertion that this would never happen to a business supporting same-sex marriage is proven. I guarantee a vocal business owner supporting same-sex marriage would run into trouble in some of the conservative small cities in the western US or deep South. We just haven't seen any on the news.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Very well written letter. Don't you know that those who preach tolerance the loudest are always the least tolerant? Harry Reid believes people should be guilty until proven innocent and Kathleen Sebelius doesn't believe in Freedom of Religion. Emmanuel, Menino and Merino are happy to deny a person the right to make a living if their beliefs don't align with their own (alleged) beliefs. It's an upside down world in America in 2012.

freedomingood
provo, Utah

This isn't even a controvercy. EVERYONE has condemmed the 2 people that said anything about chick-fil-a yet this carries on as if anyone were really trying to force it closed.

Things are all in bunches about nothing.

EPJ
Grantsville, UT

Tolerance is often demanded but seldom returned. Boyd K. Packer.

Moderate
Salt Lake City, UT

Why wasn't a protest organized against that Alderman and the Mayor of Boston? All agreed they went too far, and such a protest would have been joined by gays and straights alike.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

I also agree that those govt's were wrong in trying to limit business based on the owners personal views.

It is so nice to be independent and not have to toe the party line on every issue.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Once again, comments are aimed at condemning "liberals" for supposedly supporting homosexual marriage.

Not so. Please don't use a spray gun to paint everyone you think is an awful liberal.

Not all of us support homosexual "marriage." Not by a long shot. In fact, I have a neighbor who is a flaming homosexual. He fully supports their ideas of "marriage," but has Romney stickers all over his car and will let you know without room for doubt of his "conservative" credentials.

On the other hand, I have many "liberal" friends who are as disgusted with the homosexual agenda as I am.

If I based all my comments on his actions, I'd be rightfully enabled to condemn "conservatives" as supporting homosexual actions of all kinds.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

Like the freedom of expression, freedom to marry also belongs to unpopular groups.

All of you who support Dan Cathy's freedom to express himself and then turn around and deny equal protection (freedom to marry) to your fellow American Citizens are nothing more than big hypocrites.

John Charity Spring
Back Home in Davis County, UT

This is a good example of the complete hypocrisy of the left wing. The left claims that the issue of same sex marriage is an issue of equal rights, but what they really want are rights that are greater than those of anyone else.

The left wants to take away the right to speak from anyone who opposes them. Rather than allowing an open dialogue so the public can make an informed decision for itself, the left seeks to have only one opinion expressed--its own

The left will not hesitate to bully, threaten, and intimate its opponents into silence. Fortunately, there are still some brave enough to stand up to this campaign of intimidation.

one old man
Ogden, UT

jcs, all of your comments apply equally to the right wing.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@John Charity Spring;

Please provide even ONE good reason why "the public" should have any say at all in somebody else's marriage? Please!

We want "greater rights"? Really? You make that claim and then turn right around and tell us that YOU should have the right to decide if WE can even marry. Such arrogance and hubris is astonishing!

You people are simply unbelievable.

George
Bronx, NY

@john charity springs
"This is a good example of the complete hypocrisy of the left wing." really? then why have liberals been condemning these two mayors from the beginning and why did the ACLU defend Cathy? I don't see hypocrisy, I see more of the same lies and twisted half truths coming from people like you and the letter writer trying to twist this into something it is not.

Kalindra
Salt Lake City, Utah

Where is the outcry over the government getting involved in - and banning - the free expression of smoke shop owners in Centerville?

Where is the outcry over the limiting of areas in which owners of lingerie shops can exercise their free speech?

Where is the outcry over the efforts to ban gay bars in areas in which straight bars are located?

Congress just passed a law limiting Fred Phelps freedom of speech - where is the outcry over that?

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@ Ranch hand - this is actually a free speech issue and not a gay marriage issue. It's telling that 3 Democrat mayors tried to bully Dan Cathy and intimidate him. Their message was loud and clear - "keep your thoughts to yourself". It backfired on them but it still could make another CEO or anyone afraid to speak their mind in public.
Some people always love to talk about "equal protection under the law". That is until you make over a certain amount of money- then your "equal protection" goes out the window. And what if I wanted to marry my (hypothetical)sister? That's against the law so I don't have equal protection. What if I want to marry my first cousin? Sorry - no equal protection there either.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@red state pride

Your right those THREE mayors where wrong to use their power the way they did. however you seem to want to completely ignore that they where roundly criticized by the left as well as by the right and that the ACLU actually defended Cathy. As to your comments about sisters and cousins that failed argument has been addressed thousands of time over the past 20 years and is hardly worth entertaining yet again.

ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

No gay couple in the world has destroyed my marriage or effected it in any way. I am more worried about nuts with guns interferring with my right to assemble at the church, movie or school of my choice.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: RanchHand Huntsville, UT
"Please provide even ONE good reason why "the public" should have any say at all in somebody else's marriage? Please!"

The counterfeit of any item always acts to cheapen the genuine product. There are basic and subtle differences between those who unite in traditional marriages and those who attempt to imitate them. Obtaining a marriage license is no different than getting any other license. There are specific requirements that must be met, and compliance is required to obtain any kind of license.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@red state pride;

It's not just "free speech" - I agree that Cathy's right to open his business shouldn't be denied. I also feel that he has a right to spend his money as he pleases; but to spend it denying others the benefits he enjoys is simply hypocrisy (not to mention Anti-Christian).

You're IN LUCK. In Utah, you CAN marry your first cousin. Go for it. If you want to marry your sister, you'll have to go to bat for it, I won't stand in your way.

@Rifleman;

I asked for a valid reason. Your assumption about something be counterfeit is just that. An assumption.

Perhaps we need to invalidate "Christianity" in the US as it is a counterfeit of the teachings of Christ. You can counterfeit following his teachings, but if you don't then you really aren't (do unto others as you would have them do unto you).

You're welcome to believe whatever you want about same-sex marriages. The fact remains that it does nothing to you.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

First. Those in power in local and state governments have no restrictions on the accepting or denying a business operation within their venue. Other than the laws that protect the welfare of people such as prohibition of race, color, creed, and such. Chick-fil-A is a business and cannot claim any exception as a religion.

Second, switching to another venue, Abortion clinics and the processes that go on within them are legal business operations. People who do not share their view seem to go to very great lengths to disrupt their business, even to committing murder.

Both are cases of dispute of personal belief.

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