@ DutchmanWhat? Are you commenting on the right post? Dude I am a
Ute fan and didn't suggest Utah was recruiting the wrong guys. I was
commenting on Bronco and his strengths and weaknesses as I see it.
@17-14Go ask USC about Utah being competitive. Or Oregon a couple
years ago when they won the Pac-10 title.It's so hilarious for
Cougar fans to doubt Utah can even be competitive, when they have already been
with with a bigger talent discrepancy. BYU fans are worried about
Utah being competitive with top 5 programs, while they should really be worried
about their team trying to be competitive with Utah. 54-10!
WilliaryThat's exactly what I'm saying, thank you.You do realize you have a snowball's chance in Moab of doing
anything against these teams. Having the privilege of playing in their
conference is one thing, being competitive to the point of a South Division or
conference championship is another.A gaggle of 2 star, 3 star
recruits < 4 and 5 star recruits. Your recruiting mantra of
being an elite team compared to the real 'elite' teams in your
conference is laughable.
Being big is not enough, it depends more on where you carry your weight. Gone
are the days of offensive linemen with saggy bellies. Dare I say it, the best
olinemen today appear to be a "lithe" 300 pounds. Look at guys in the
NFL like Joe Thomas and Jake Long. No one would call them fat.Doug
Eliasa is one of the best in the country, so I believe that most of the 300
pounds on these guys is good weight in the form of muscle. As another poster
pointed out, BYU linemen have been this size or bigger for 15 years, the
difference is that their conditioning is continually questioned, and they
definitely have the soggy midsection that most Ute linemen try to avoid.
@17-14"Ute top players < USC, Oregon, Stanford"Do you even realize you just listed 1)USC who will be a top 3 team when they
come to SLC this year. 2)Oregon, who played for the title 2 years ago, and in
BCS games the last 3 years I believe and 3)Stanford who has played in two
straight BCS games.If you're saying Utah doesn't have the
all-around talent of 3 of the best 6 programs of the last 5 years, you should
seriously stop and think before you post something next time.
How come the article didn't say byu would be national champs? It's
August. Time to declare national championhood.
3dog3Finally,Developing and putting guys in the NFL does not mean
that Utah is doing things in the wrong way or recruiting misfits with no
character as you seem to suggest. Quite the contrary. Utah's program
under Whittingham has everything Bronco can only hope for, players with
character, lots of wins, member of an elite conference and lots of NFL talent to
boot.17-14 hurts don't it,BYU would trade places
with Utah in a heart beat to get into the PAC 12 if it were possible. Well, it
isn't so get over it. Come to think of it, with that 54-10 beat down that
BYU took at the hands of Utah last year how do you think BYU would fare in the
PAC 12? Probably best to stay where you are at.
Re: 17-14 Hurts Don't It?The next level I was talking about is
the NFL.BYU fans probably forget about the NFL, since it has been so
long since they have had a player drafter.Do you realize that the
team from Provo lost to a team by 44 points that lost to Colorado?
Oh, the annual fall camp chest pounding and yammer...Dutchman"It's great to be a member of an elite conference and get the
top players both in state and out of state to come and join the Utes."Ute top players < USC, Oregon, Stanford and a few others in the
conference but what you're really hoping for is it enough to beat BYU in
the future. Never mind the real problem of always being something
other than runner-up in the South Division or 3-way tied for 6th thru 8th place
in a 12 team conference.Mount Olympus"They (BYU)
haven't been excelling at the next level like the Utes have lately."And what level would the Utes be at? Your last PAC game was Colorado,
that's certainly a lasting impression for a 'next level' of play
when so much was on the line against the worst team in the conference. 4-5 in
your conference is equal to what level?Some things never change,
even though the fans say it has. It will always be about comparing the Utes to
I don't think Bronco cares that much about putting people into the NFL. BYU
wants to do things a certain way, and Bronco is the right guy to do it.If BYU loses recruits because they are providing less talent for the NFL pool,
then Bronco accepts that (at least I think he does). What Bronco will do is
recruit guys who want to be at BYU and win (if he can) BYU's way.This might sound off to many, but Bronco in a way reminds me of both Jerry
Sloan and Rick Majerus. No, Bronco IS NOT a foul mouthed high temper guy, but
it's his way or the highway. Bronco has a system and philosophy that
doesn't waver. It can be a strength and weakness. Like Sloan, he is not
good at adjustments. I think both would rather lose their way, than win someone
else's way.Now Majerus was a mastermind and making adjustments.
That said, Rick often didn't recruit the best talent. He wanted 'yes
sir' types who could accept and carryout the Ute system.I have
a hard time with Bronco, but he is the right guy for BYU.
And according to an article on the CougarBlue website Bronco is still looking to
get his first recruit selected in an NFL draft while Utah develops and puts
players in the NFL every year. It's great to be a member of an elite
conference and get the top players both in state and out of state to come and
join the Utes. Proud to be a Utah and PAC 12 fan!!
Let's hope some of this current crop of players can keep up the high
standards of previous offensive lines at Utah. Should be at least a couple of
pro prospects in this group. It is great to see the U finally have
some real depth on the line, which is needed when you play PAC 12 teams.
I just hope our O-line is good enough to leave the sideline in that 3 point
stance like the Coogies do! That is a sure sign that you have talent...Bronco is a genius...sideline 3 point stance...genius!Joke...
Funny how the Utes offensive line article comes out the same day as one for BYU.
Only the Ute article speaks about O lineman over 300 pounds, and the BYU article
is about their lineman being under 300 pounds. Both have their merit, it's
just funny and ironic.
Those are some BIG boys! Good to see that the talent is improving. We need it
if we plan to be competitive in the PAC-12.@Elk: "I don't
get it...to be "like" a PAC 12 team. We don't expect
you too. You'll "get it" when and if start playing a
-Kyle Whittingham points to the position when noting that the Utes are looking
like a Pac-12 team size-wise.- I don't get it. This same
comment is comming from coaches, players, and Hill. Like its an accomplishment
to be "like" a PAC 12 team. Utah fans deserve better than a
repeat of last year. They were "like a PAC 12 team" last year. They won
4 games in the PAC 12. I hope Utah is a TOP PAC 12 team this year but concerned
that coaches and players comments do not reflect that. Go Cougars
Re: Tom in CAExcept for the Ute O-lineman actually make it in the
NFL.We heard for years how good Matt Reynolds was, but he
wasn't even drafted.Utes in the NFL now:Jordan
Gross, Zane Beatles, Tony Bergstrom, Caleb Schlauderaff, Zane Taylor.BYU's O-line is usually large, but that is it. They haven't been
excelling at the next level like the Utes have lately.
Tom In CAThe difference between the Utah linemen and the BYU is that
the extra weight is on their arms and legs in the form of muscle rather than
their stomachs in the form of fat. That's why Bronco finally discovered a
little off season conditioning for his guys. He also hopes it will keep them in
better mental shape so they won't quit during games.
They're nearly the size the Cougar O-line has been for decades.
Ummmmm! Beefy.Look forward to our lineman making some big holes for
the Wolfman and giving Jordan some time to make some plays.