Seriously STG?I figured your intelligence would manage the
connection without having to spell things out in black and white. I'm
guessing it was, but like Duckhunter said, you enjoy splitting hairs. My point
still stands.Harvey Unga left school because he knew a suspension
was coming. He knew a suspension was coming because he knew that BYU would
uphold their Honor Code standards.
@stgutah has an athletic department oversight panel just like almost
every other university in the country. They are the ones that institute policy
like drug testing of athletes and they are the ones that proscribe punishment
for it. Theswe panels are made up of department heads and high ranking
university officials from OTHER departments, not the athletic department. That
is by design, whittingham has nothing at all to do with it and hill has little
to do with it.Once again it is a sound, and commendable policy, by
the university of utah, but it is not something hill or whittingham get any
credit for.They had their opportunity to do something more to show
their own concern when blechen 1st started failing drug tests, and they did
nothing. Even this punishment has nothing at all to do with them, pointing that
out is not claiming a "conspiracy" it is just pointing out the obvious
to extremely deluded utah "fans" who can't tell reality from
crimson. At what point have either hill or whittingham said they
even support this university mandated punishment? They haven't. Saying that
would not violate student privacy, yet they remain silent. Telling.
Duckhunter, you're not getting it. The University does not drug test just
any random students in the school in these screenings. It is the athletes
because it is the University athletic department. And who is in charge of that?
The athletic director. And the team? The head football coach. And the only
reason it is being reported in the news is because the athletic department has
to announce when players that are expected to play are not going to.
They're not going to announce an in-house disciplinary action because that
violates an athlete's confidentiality.You know, most things
really are just as simple as they appear, there's not a conspiracy behind
everything. Or you could just continue to believe that I work for Deseret News
and Coach Whit, Dr. Hill and Coach Krystkowiak hold secret underground meetings
to determine how they can get away with dirty dealings.
@stgActually the logic failure here is yours. This policy, and the
punishment, is mandated by the university, not by hill and whittingham. They
obviously have done nothing previously about it other than what is proscribed by
university policy, once again not by them. Even this time there appears to be
nothing more being done to blechen, and I'm not saying there should be just
that there isn't, other than what is required by the university.If blechen had been suspended for a "violation of TEAM rules" as
falsely asserted by the athletic department then whittigham and/or hill could
receive some credit for this, but that is not the case. It is purely university
policy, something which hill and whittingham have no control over. I
commend the university for at least having a policy and a drug testing program
but whittigham and hill get a failing grade for taking any action at all on
their own and you get a failing grade for trying to distort this and pretend
that they have anything at all to do with it when they are obviously MIA.
@CordonBleuDuckhunter was absolutely correct; Blechen would have
been booted from any team other than football for the exact same offense.---------Not so. Here's an example:TCU
coach Gary Patterson says starting quarterback Casey Pachall will not face team
discipline after the junior admitted to police in February that he used
marijuana and failed a drug test.Patterson said Pachall has
completed drug and alcohol counseling mandated by the university, and no
suspension will be handed down....In a police report released last
week, Pachall said in February he smoked marijuana just prior to failing a drug
test. Pachall also told police he used cocaine and ecstasy in the previous year,
but said, "Both were just a one-time thing and (he) hasn't done either
since."Source: ESPNSo BYU fans please move on? How about that new recruit X'avier Shepherd.
Duckhunter: "Harvey left school before he could be suspended, it was coming
and you know it."That's my point, the fact that I knew it
and not the one trying to use it as an argument doesn't help his
credibility."It has been reported that this current punishment
is a university mandated policy and whittingham and hill have no choice in the
matter or else I have my doubts anything would have been done this time
either."And why do you think it is a university mandated
punishment? The school is not required to drug test their athletes, the NCAA
does their own tests separately. If Whit and Hill's only aim was to
"cover up" Blechen's failed test, they wouldn't have selected
him for testing in the first place. Or they would have ACTUALLY covered it up
and not released the results and not suspended him. Extremely failed logic on
@gdogI'm actually not saying blechen's punishment should
be more severe for this or that utah should run its discipline in the same
manner as BYU, they are different institutions with different standards. What I
am saying is that it is obvious not much of anything was done to blechen
previous to this, and that is where utah has failed, and it appears that
whittingham and hill simply want to hide out because they are the ones
responsible for nothing being done previously. It has been reported
that this current punishment is a university mandated policy and whittingham and
hill have no choice in the matter or else I have my doubts anything would have
been done this time either. If whittingham really had any desire to get this
under control he would do something more and not simply hide behind a university
mandated punishment. But he hasn't, and won't, and that tells us all
we need to know about it.
@stgHarvey left school before he could be suspended, it was coming
and you know it. What a weak attempt at splitting a hair.
@DuckhunterYes, it's not Blechen's first time around the
block. I am disappointed by this, but I am hopeful things will get straightened
out. Obviuosly BYU would handle things differently regardless of
what Runner says. Is one way better or worse? That's where many get
divided. Maybe Blechen's punishment so to speak could be
greater, but I am not in favor of the harshness of BYU's honor approach.
That said, I didn't sign the honor code either. If players or
students want to go to BYU, then maybe they ought to live with whatever
punishment happens when they mess up. Most probably do. Still sometimes the
inconsistency of penalty at BYU happens as well, and some grow sour after
choosing BYU in the first place. But that doesn't stop BYU from finding
people willing to play football for them. Sure they lose some recruits, as most
schools do, but the bunny keeps ticking.
There You GoIf they suspended every underage drinker at Utah,
they'd have to shut down the football program and kick the MUSS off campus.
The Blechen apologists tell us all we need to know about the hypocrisy that runs
rampant on the hill.Duckhunter was absolutely correct; Blechen would
have been booted from any team other than football for the exact same offense.
Unca Bon, if I'm not mistaken, Harvey Unga left school, he was not
suspended. Why would we trust your opinion on allegations against the Utes if
you don't even know what happens with your own team?
"Brian not only broke "team rules", he also broke the law; the kind
of "rule breaking" that lands most people in JAIL."I've never heard of anyone going to jail for failing an institutionally
performed drug test. Brian's kind of "rule breaking" is the kind
that most people receive institutionally established disciplinary action for.
Like probation, drug counseling, and eventually dismissal. The same kind Brian
is receiving. Some of you haters are a little funny, others are just silly.
How did McMahon stay eligible for five years?Under-age consumption
of alcohol is/was not illegal in Provo?
Yeah, Chambers is done, so that point is mute. BYU does just fine disciplining
their players, and Ute fans trying to argue against that after Harvey Unga and
Brandon Davies were both suspended are blowing hot air (and their infractions
weren't even against the law). That said, I think the 3 game suspension is
@osgrathYou do a great job all on your own, no fallout needed.But the fact is runner knows what he is talking about here and you
don't. It has been reported in both local major papers, and on every sport
talk radio station, that blechen failed MULTIPLE drug screens for marijuana. In
otherwords yes everyone knows this was not the 1st time he's been caught
but it is the 1st time anyting that could be considered in any way significant
has been done. And this was not whittigham doing it, it was school policy. The
fact whittingham and hill have been no shows on the matter shows us all we need
to know.Now whether or not Bronco would be more strict is not
something we can answer definitively but we all know he has been much stricter
in the past, as has the University itself. It has only been a couple of months
since 2 players from the baseball team were kicked off the team and out of
school for smoking dope. 1st time caught and they are gone, there's your
answer.Speak about efficiently making a fool out of yourself.
Brave Sir Robin"Runner, don't even get on your
accountability high horse...BYU has no credibility when it comes to
accountability any more. Maybe you noticed that just yesterday BYU disciplined
O'Neill Chambers for the same reasons as Blechen (violation of team rules).
Blechen got 3 games - Chambers got ZERO."Your feable, whiney
attempt at deflection has ZERO credibility. O'Neill Chambers will never
again play football for BYU. As for K-Whit's three-game slap on
the wrist to Blechen, Brian not only broke "team rules", he also broke
the law; the kind of "rule breaking" that lands most people in JAIL.MULTIPLE failed drug tests means Blechen has been breaking the law for a
long time. Instead of trying to sweep this under the rug, Utah fans should be
outraged at the black eye Blechen has given the Utah football program.
...also glad to see Blechen is taking accountability for it. Just hope he
learns from it and is able to make it back.
Ute fans, please ignore some of the stupid and senseless comments other anti-ute
fans are making about this story and situation. I'm not a Ute fan, but can
see the bigger picture with this situation. Any team in the state, whether
Utah, BYU, Utah State, etc. has had players do something like this. I think
Whit did a great job in handling this situation.With this said,
I'm wondering why anyone, regardless of school affiliation, would be so
willing to not only put their own career and success on the line, but especially
their team's, for something so selfish and senseless? You know the
possible consequences. Why take a chance in disappointing family, friends,
teammates, and fans? Just something that has never made any sense to me.
My take on the Article is that Whit is a great coach and he will help Blechen
make a course correction that will benefit his life. I like Bronco but was
disappointed when BYU didn't get Kyle. He is a special coach.
Runner, don't even get on your accountability high horse...BYU has no
credibility when it comes to accountability any more. Maybe you noticed that
just yesterday BYU disciplined O'Neill Chambers for the same reasons as
Blechen (violation of team rules). Blechen got 3 games - Chambers got ZERO.
That's right - he's suspended for fall camp but he'll be right
back on the field for BYU's first game.So do you really want to
preach on about accountability?
@Runner and ThunderstruckOf course BYU would have handled it
differently. They have a code and they are a church run program. It is what it
is. If you agree with what you think would likely happen at BYU, and then
demonize Utah for it, you are no different than a Ute fan who rips BYU for
kicking players in certain kinds of trouble out of school. To me, Blechen's
suspension isn't some kind of Mickey Mousse affair.Weed is a
bigger deal to some over others. Yes it is against the law, but there are many
laws. Most of us exceed the speed limit at times. There are strong opinions on
drugs, specifically weed, that have many points of view. Thankfully, lawful
punishments aren't as harsh as they used to be. I for one would favor the
legalization of pot. Still, it doesn't help you become a better football
player, and most coaches would frown upon it for their players.
CO Ute"Your supposed moral superiority offends me deeply. First,
the young man was suspended for breaking a team rule which has been reported as
failing a drug test. This is very different from someone that is caught breaking
the law."I guess you are right CO Ute. You've convinced me
to join the ACLU and the fight to dismiss DNA testing too.Tomahawkie"Give it a rest. Blechen made a mistake. First
offense."Multiple infractions = 1. Sign me up for the next Ute
math course.Go BYU, Chick-Fil-A and Mitt!
It was reported in the press that this was not Blechen's first failed drug
test. If this is true, then yes the punishment should've been harsher!
Sometimes we put sports way ahead of what's really important. Lesson's
do not get learned when things like this get pushed aside. I am a Utah fan, and
I too would like to see Blechen playing. the problem is, is that all of these
athletes think that they're bigger than the game. Marajuana is an illegal
drug in Utah. I hope Blechen learns his lesson this time. He has way to much
talent to waste!
Runner...Give it a rest. Blechen made a mistake. First offense. Is
that how the Y deals with mistakes? Punish someone to the fullest extent for
screwing up the first time?If that's how the Y does it, they
should be ashamed of their narrow view of the world.Actually, three
games is a bit LONG for a mistake of this kind. Should've been one or at
most, two game suspension. Then, if Blechen does it again... the punishment
should be more severe.
@runnerYour supposed moral superiority offends me deeply. First,
the young man was suspended for breaking a team rule which has been reported as
failing a drug test. This is very different from someone that is caught
breaking the law. Utah has team rules regarding this type of situation and
Coach Whit is following the rules exactly as written. Your opinion that Mr.
Blechen should be kicked out of school is simply that; your opinion and nothing
more. No one asked for your opinion who the university should conduct their
business.Next time you find your self exceeding the speed limit, I
suggest you follow your own advice and surrender your drivers license and then
work your way back after showing a real change. After all you should be held
accountable because you broke the law.
What is Runner talking about? Does he have detailed knowledge of the situation
to know whether the punishment is adequate? Does he know that Whit is making fun
of BYU? I've never noticed that, and I follow BYU pretty closely. Does he
know for a fact that Bronco would have kicked an athlete out of school for
whatever Blechen's transgression was? Personally, I find the
most efficient way to make a fool out of oneself is to state strong opinions
based on insufficient information. And as a Cougar fan I personally dislike it
when other Cougar fans make fools of themselves because I feel like I get hit by
Way to go Whit, once again showing the HIGH degree of integrity that this
program is known for. You have someone who broke the law and you give him 3
games. 3 lousy games. If this program had half the character that the team
does that you always like to poke fun at, he would really be held accountable,
kicked out of school and be told to work his way back after showing a real
change, not just be given a slap on the wrist and held out until league play
thunder struckYou do realize that most police officers don't
arrest people for carrying a small amount of pot on them anymore. Most just give
you a class B misdemeanor ticket to appear in court. A large amount like intent
to distribute would get you arrested. Pot is harmless compared to alcohol, the
number one reason there is domestic violence. What is DARE? Drugs Are Really
Expensive? Best of luck to you Blechen, you're a stud and I
know you'll learn from this. Looking forward to when you get back on the
ur lucky ur not arrested. smoking pot is not good. DARE