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The Chick-fil-A protest could boomerang against activists

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  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2012 9:37 p.m.

    "But if pushed, we will begin to dissect each company and business,just as the glbt is doing, and direct our $$$ to businesses who believe as we do."

    Outstanding, AZRod, please get started. Really??? has provided a list to get you started. I can provide many more if you need them.

    By the way, don't care about "tolerance" or "respect" (for instance I have zero respect for opinions like yours), but I do have a strong idea of what is right and wrong, and I'll tell you, it is absolutely wrong to deny people the ability to marry whom they love. Absolutely wrong. And the majority of people in this country agree with me, and not you.

  • AZRods Maricopa, AZ
    Aug. 6, 2012 12:39 p.m.

    screwdrive & ranchhand, looks like the voice of the people continue to confirm what voters in 32 states have already stated.
    We will not be intimidated nor controlled by people who have their own agenda to control the opinions and voices of God fearing people.
    It's been attempted over the centuries and in the end it always fails.
    In reverse, I've never bashed or boycotted a company for contributing to the gay/lesbian groups.
    But if pushed, we will begin to dissect each company and business,just as the glbt is doing, and direct our $$$ to businesses who believe as we do.

    Then we'll see who stays in business, who opens new branches in San Francisco, Chicago and any place else anyone foolishly tries to deny us of our 1st Amendment rights.

    Just remember that it was the group that cries for tolerance and respect that started the boycotting.

    Also, here in AZ, the lines to get food at Chik Fil A were at least as long as the rest of the country.

  • Really??? Kearns, UT
    Aug. 5, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    Please add the following to your list, JSB. McDonalds, Coca-Cola, Pepsi-cola, Marriott, Apple Computers, Microsoft, Amazon, Delta Airlines, Best Buy, AT&T, Chevron, Dell, Toyota, General Motors, Disney, Volkswagon, Wells Fargo, Google, General Mills, Motorola...

    ... I could go on. I think these companies have discovered that treating all people with dignity is an important value when running a company. I am saddened that people claim they were standing up for a company's "first amendment rights" over the dignity and emotional well-being of their brothers, sisters, and neighbors who are constantly reminded that they are considered second-class citizens.

  • pumpkin Huntington, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2012 10:50 p.m.

    thank you for this article.

  • JSB Sugar City, ID
    Aug. 4, 2012 9:30 p.m.

    For years I have chosen to shop at stores or buy products from businesses that support my values and avoid businesses that don't support my values. I haven't made an issue about it, I just make my own choices. Thanks for the list. Now in addition to Macy's I can decide not to purchase Nabisco, Pillsbury, General Mills, and JC Penny.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    “Progressive politicians from coast to coast were lining up last week to keep Chick-fil-A's fried-chicken restaurants out of their towns. . . “

    Oh my! This sounds like there are many, many politicians from coast to coast keeping Chick-fil-A’s out of their towns. What? Only three? Oh my.

    “So what was it Cathy said to get his company banned from three of the largest cities in America?”

    Uh. . . the company is not banned from any city, nor will it be. If the cities attempt this they will easily lose in court. But why does Mr. Garvin, the writer of this op-ed piece chose to lie and say they are banned?

    “Not a word was spoken, by either Cathy or the reporter, about gay marriage, gay rights or gay anything at all.”

    How dishonest. It is very clear what Cathy and the “reporter” were talking about. And Mr. Gavin drastically edited what Cathy said, as per RanchHand.

  • mark Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    “Because, like it or not, they're the ones who don't share majority values.”

    Really?

    “According to surveys included in the [PollingReport database] an average of 50 percent of American adults support same-sex marriage rights while 45 percent oppose it, based on an average of nine surveys conducted in the past year.”-Support for Gay Marriage Outweighs Opposition in Polls, By Nate Silver, The New York Times, May 9, 2012.

    “According to the March 2012 Wall Street Journal/ NBC News poll (the most WSJ/NBC News poll recent to include a question on gay marriage) currently 49% of Americans favor gay marriage, with 40% opposed.”-WSJ/NBC Poll on Gay Marriage: 2012 vs. 2009 vs. 2004, Washington Wire, May 7, 2012

    Mr. Garvin, perhaps should do a bit of research before he attempts to define for America what majority values are.

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    @ BDUB 5:30 p.m. Aug. 3, 2012

    "I can agree with you that the selection at JC Penny is "pretty disgusting". Have you seen their mom jeans? Who still wears Arizona brand clothing anyway?"

    I do. Its one of the few brands that cater to people w/ "reasonable" waist sizes and long legs.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    Aug. 4, 2012 1:16 p.m.

    Who really cares about the protest or the owners cause?

    The food isn't that good and that is what matters.

  • BDUB Seattle, WA
    Aug. 3, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    Machado - That's kind of embarrassing. Who are you to say what someone "KNOWS deep inside."

    Patriot - Although I probably don't agree with you on SMS, I can agree with you that the selection at JC Penny is "pretty disgusting". Have you seen their mom jeans? Who still wears Arizona brand clothing anyway?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2
    "There is no "civil right" to gay marriage and there certainly nothing in the constitution about it."

    There's no "civil right" to interracial marriage outlined explicitly in the constitution either but that didn't stop the supreme court from finding it a right nonetheless.

    @Machado
    "This whole movement is all about a group of people who KNOW deep inside that what they are doing is wrong."

    No, they're just told that all the time by people like you. Of course, I'm not surprised that sort of bigotry would be openly considered acceptable in society.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Re: ‘The Chick-fil-A protest could boomerang against activists’

    It already has. The Tucson activist that made such a jerk of himself bullying a Chick-Fil-A employee -- who remained the paragon of professionalism throughout -- was fired over the incident.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 3, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    RanchHand:

    Just like every other single person out there, you are free to join the ranks of the married by finding someone of the opposite sex who will marry you and marry them. Just because gays only want to marry someone of the opposite sex does not mean that they are not treated equally.

    I know that the GLBT community wants to change the rules so they can marry differently than everyone else, but like I said, the opinion that gays are not treated equally is just your opinion. It only seems "clear" to you (and a small minority of other Americans) that denying them the right to marry is "unconstitutional".

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    @VST;

    The government provides over 1100 benefits to married couples.

    The Constitution:

    Article IV Section 2;

    "The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States." (ALL the privileges and immunities - including the benefits of marriage).

    Amendment 14;

    No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

    It seems quite clear that amending state constitutions to deny privileges and immunities to GLBT Americans is Unconstitutional per the US Constitution. SCOTUS has already determined in many other cases that the government (including state government) can't pass laws restricting civil rights without valid reasons.

    "God doesn't like it" isn't a valid reason to pass laws restricting civil rights. And since when do we even put civil rights up to a vote? Only when their the rights of GLBT Americans.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    Patriot, you just can't see the people that are NOT going to Chick-fil-a. If you want to eat three meals a day there it's really fine with EVERYONE.

    You really can get a pro-free-speech hamburger anywhere. But you are right on, the only place I know of to get an anti-gay-rights chicken sandwich is at Chick-fil-a. Carry on since that's about the least effective way to lobby congress that I can think of.

    While EVERYONE in the world including myself has allready said the alderman was out of line, the ACLU is on chick-fil-a side and the alderman hasn't DONE anything yet, you are outraged.

    Meanwhile, conservatives are actually denying muslim mosques building permits and baptist churches in the south are still denying to marry black couples. Where is your outrage?

    There's nothing more facinating than watching a full blown right wing media induced conservative panic attack.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:32 p.m.

    the big question here - whose side is America on?? Drive by a Chick-Fil-A and you will see!!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 3:56 p.m.

    looks like I won't be spending any more $$ at JC Penney!!! Pretty disgusting.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    Re: Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    "Rifleman, since you were able to post that opinion on gay rights, I'd say that your free speech has yet to be infringed."

    The Chicago GOP has filed a complaint with the Illinois Department of Human Rights and Attorney General Lisa Madigan over the discriminatory action by Alderman Proco Moreno against the food chain Chick-fil-A. It appears that Mr. Moreno stepped over the line when he said he would block Chick-fil-A from getting a building permit.

    Sounds like the Gay boycott of Chick-fil-A was a Godsend to that food chain. Business has never been so good.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    Machado seems to know a lot about the inner voices of gay people.

    Rifleman, since you were able to post that opinion on gay rights, I'd say that your free speech has yet to be infringed.

    As far as anti-gay-rights advocates eating greasy meals in support of Chick-fil-a's anti-gay-rights agenda, it doesn't bother me at all. Eat a stick of butter on the way home.

  • Machado South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    This isn't about chicken or politics or even the right to marry. This whole movement is all about a group of people who KNOW deep inside that what they are doing is wrong. They scream in denial but they know it's wrong. They try to drown out their inner voices but they still know it is wrong. Their inner turmoil is evidenced in the depth of their anger, their fervor, and their eagerness to villify and lash out at anybody who dares voice an alternative opinion.

    In light of their condemnation by their own consciences, they hope society will tell them their behavior is acceptable or normal. They not only hope, but they NEED society to accept their behavior. Accepting them as people is not good enough. They need to have their actions, no matter how depraved, accepted as well.

    The sad news is that even if society accepts and normalizes their behavior, it won't shut off the voice inside that tells them their behavior is wrong.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    RanchHand: You may think that the equal protection clause means that because I am allowed to marry someone of the opposite sex (I am heterosexual) it must also mean that a homosexual must be allowed to marry someone of the same sex, but that is just your opinion.

    It has no basis in law.

    Until Congress passes laws or the Supreme Court rules that this is the case, it will remain just your opinion. As every issue put in front of the voters has proven so far, your opinion remains in the minority.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    Re: Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    "But an anti-gay-rights chicken sandwich is special."

    Gays boycotted Chick-fil-A on Wednesday and "Appreciation Day" propelled the company to a "record-setting day."

    So much for the Gay attack on our 1st Amendment rights. The liberal thought police are simply horrified.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:36 a.m.

    @JoeCapitalist2;

    We have the Civil Rights to be treated equally by our government, which provides benefits to married couples and refuses to allow GLBT couples to marry.

    @JCC;

    I had no idea we were trying to force you into a same-sex marriage.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 10:05 a.m.

    You can get pro-free-speech fast food anywhere. But an anti-gay-rights chicken sandwich is special.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 9:24 a.m.

    There is no "civil right" to gay marriage and there certainly nothing in the constitution about it. Unlike abortion, the Supreme Court has not yet "found" that new right between its written words either.

    So everyone who spouts off about those who support traditional marriage are somehow denying gays their "constitutional civil rights" (or anything similar) is telling you a big lie.

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:36 a.m.

    Re: Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    ".... Mr. Cathy made egregiously stupid remarks about unconstitutionally denying equal rights to gays."

    I may not agree with your opinion on Mr. Cathy's remarks but you certainly have the 1st Amendment right to express them. Thank goodness we don't allow the thought police the authority to ban opinions some people think are stupid.

  • JoeCapitalist2 Orem, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Esquire: "So let me get this straight. It's ok to be bigoted if supported by your religious views..."

    There is nothing straight about your argument. Standing up for religious principles only equals bigotry in the eyes of radical leftists.

    Believing and saying that drugs are bad and that we shouldn't legalize marijuana does not mean you are bigoted against anyone who ever smoked a joint and you hate them and are denying them their civil rights.

    Believing and saying that having children out of wedlock is wrong does not mean that you are bigoted against single mothers and you hate them.

    Believing that marriage should not be redefined to suit the wishes of gay activists and believing that homosexual activity is wrong does not mean that you hate gays and are denying them their civil rights.

  • bdckpakccd Plano, TX
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    It is the denial of rights if you are on the left and it is hate if you are on the right. Hypocrisy at its finest. Well-written opinion piece. Thank you!

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:12 a.m.

    The fact that a couple of politicians made egregiously stupid remarks about unconstitutionally using their office to harass Chic-fil-A doesn't change the fact that Mr. Cathy made egregiously stupid remarks about unconstitutionally denying equal rights to gays.

    I shake my head in disgust and dismay at both Mr. Cathy and at Mayor Menino and Alderman Moreno.

  • John Charity Spring Back Home in Davis County, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 8:01 a.m.

    This action is no different than countless other situations in which the left-wing has done everything it could to silence someone with an opposing viewpoint. Indeed, the left is determined to silence all who oppose it.

    The left is out to force same-sex marriage on the public, without giving the public a chance to decide for itself. In fact, the left will not hesitate to use intimidation, threats, or bullying to force this issue.

    It is time to stand up to this brand of leftist economic intimidation. Buy all the chicken you can, or watch your freedom of expression be destroyed.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    So let me get this straight. It's ok to be bigoted if supported by your religious views, but if you have contrary views, you are trying to take away the rights of the bigots? It's ok to be active in your views, but not for the other guy?

    Frankly, this whole controversy is absurd. The fast food guy can have his views, and opponents should be free not to give him their business. Mayor Bloomberg had it right on this.

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    "‘I think we are inviting God's judgment on our nation when we shake our fist at Him and say 'we know better than you as to what constitutes a marriage,’ and I pray God's mercy on our generation that has such a prideful, arrogant attitude to think that we have the audacity to define what marriage is about,' he said at the time."

    ----

    Cathy didn't say anything about gay marriage. Nope. Zip, nada, niente.

    This article started out by demonstrating that Christians are hypocritical, then moves on to say that progressives and liberal businesses are going to suffer?

    Weird.

  • Screwdriver Casa Grande, AZ
    Aug. 2, 2012 7:10 a.m.

    I wonder if the Dixie Chicks ever ate at Chic-fil-a ?

    Wasn't Disneyland being protested by conservatives for performing same sex marriages on thier cruise ships? You put the HIGH in hypocracy. Good job!

  • Rifleman Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 2, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    Dan Cathy, President of Chick-fil-A, came away the winner in his fight with the thought police. If local leaders think they can punish him by denying building permits to Chick-fil-A restaurants because of his opinions they can expect to learn a lesson from him on the 1st Amendment in Federal Court the hard way.

  • windsor City, Ut
    Aug. 2, 2012 4:46 a.m.

    Amen.