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Published: Wednesday, Aug. 1 2012 4:43 p.m. MDT

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Leesha
Kearns, UT

We do most definitely do support traditional marriage. But my family's interest in eating at Chick-fil-a was mostly in support of the right of a person or business to express their opinion, and the right to have government not involved in that. Government as overstepped it's boundaries so much, in so many places, it's hard to know what to do, except get out and vote conservative in November. It was nice to go to Chick-fil-a yesterday to support this, and see so many others doing the same. The lines were very long. All were polite, all were patient.
It makes me smile when I see some posts, I am thinking mainly of some from the Washington Post, but has been turned up here as well, that have turned this into an argument bashing people for eating fast food. Oh wait. Now I remember. Liberals are the ones who were limiting the soda intake in New York.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@mike richards
@mike Richards So what exactly do you hope to accomplish by falsely lumping Obama in with the mayors? Do you really think such false assertions paint your arguments in a more positive light? The mayors where wrong to attempt to use their office the way they did but it does not justify you bearing false witness against Obama.

VST
Bountiful, UT

@Tolstoy,
"[It] warms my heart to see the far right finally come together with the ACLU on a cause."

I'm glad we could add some comfort for you today. As for the ACLU, even in the eyes of this conservative, they are NOT always on the wrong side of an issue.

But maybe that perspective of mine is because I am not a "far right wing nut." Who knows?

RockOn
Spanish Fork, UT

GLAAD Kiss-in-Day at Chick-fil-a??? Not in the store, dudes. It's their property and if they want to kick you to the curb, that's their right. Your right is to shop there or not, not disturb this business and disturb the people choosing to eat there.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

You can get a pro-free-speech sandwich anywhere. I doubt that conservatives are really thinking of that when they drive 45 min and wait in line for 2 hours.

It's what Chick-fil-a is saying that they like isn't it.

So it's not a free speech sandwich is it?

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@VST

I think maybe you need to reread my post I did not use the term "wing nut" but thanks. Intentionally misrepresenting what other say and do seems be becoming a habit for some on these threads.

milhouse
Atlanta, GA

Now I feel that I cannot eat at Chick-fil-A, or avoid doing so, without making a political statement. Can't a man get a chicken sandwich without taking sides in a meaningless mudfight?

I say meaningless because CfA isn't actually discriminating against employees or customers, and because no city would be able to succeed in preventing the entry of CfA while simultaneously permitting KFC, McD's or any other purveyor of greasy food. No one is going to succeed in taking away CfA's "right" to say whatever they want, even if they are hateful/bigoted. If they start firing gay employees or refusing to serve gay customers, then we have a legal problem. Until then, those who disagree can eat elsewhere. I can't believe this had a shelf life of more than twenty minutes.

But living in Atlanta, I can no longer just go eat. If I eat at CfA, I will be making a statement that I'm not comfortable making. If I go somewhere else, same story. Maybe I'll lose a couple of pounds through eating at home.

Mike Richards
South Jordan, Utah

Tolstoy,

You're going to have to do your own homework about Obama. The Deseret News denied my comment about Obama's usurpation of free speech. I did not use a URL. I cited the date of the Executive Order and I used direct attribution of the quotes. Whatever rule I broke is unclear, but the information you want is easily found.

You should also read the Senate bill where Hatch gave the President power to lock anyone up for any length of time without giving them access to an attorney or ever taking them to trial. Obama signed that bill. Article 1, Section 9 only extends that power "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion".

Mr. Cathy used his free speech rights. Government officials used their offices to squelch him. They used non-existent authority to intimidate and to threaten. Rahn Emanuel was both student and teacher to Obama. Both he and Obama fully believe in "Chicago style" politics - no matter what they say. Emanuel proved it in his speech against Mr. Cathy.

Obama approved it by remaining silent.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@mike richards

From reading your post I would think it is safe to assume that the reason the DN denied your comment was because it was off topic. What do any of your claims have to do with this incident with chick fil a?

To claim Obama approved because he did not say anything would mean that any public official that did not make a public pronouncement against these two mayors also approved of it and as far as I know few if any public office holders did. Are you really saying most if not all republican office holders agreed with these two mayors actions?

J Thompson
SPRINGVILLE, UT

Tolstoy,

Are you claiming that when someone is accused of "bearing false witness", that he cannot respond? Are you claiming that Obama does not use the same tactics as those three mayors? Are you claiming that unless Obama specifically said something publicly about Mr. Cathy that nothing else that Obama has said or written or signed that limits the freedom to speak out against the government should be used as a source to substantiate a claim that Obama has and does suppress free speech?

Isn't this what this whole argument is about? Isn't the right of every citizen in this country to be free to express his views on ANY subject without fear of government sanctions or threats the root of this discussion?

My. Cathy stated his personal opinion on marriage. Three mayors used the power of their offices to censor him and to threaten him.

Pretending that Obama does not use those same tactics when you can EASILY find proof that he does IS germane to this topic.

Government is PROHIBITED from doing what it is doing. Some people think that Mr. Cathy should only say things that please them. They don't understand America.

George
Bronx, NY

@Mike Richards

My I suggest humility instead of false pride and more false witness. Maybe it is best to turn your gaze inward and then to God.

George
Bronx, NY

@j thomas

Actually Mike I think it is pretty clear that you have attempted to bring in outside arguments to try to justify your false witness against Obama rather then admit he had nothing to do with chick fil a. As to not allowing someone to respond trying to play the victim when no one has told you that you do not have the right to respond is a poor counterargument meant to deflect criticism.

L White
Springville, UT

Mr. George,

The article is about Chick-fil-A and free speech, not about posters or the way that they choose to worship.

Mr. Cathy was attacked by our government and threatened by Rahm Emanuel, who is Mr. Obama's former Chief of Staff. You can bet that a Chicago Politician would talk to the Chicago Politician sitting in the White House before broadcast his hatred of free speech to the nation.

And, look at the remarks by Mr. Reid who told us that Mr. Romney didn't pay taxes for ten years. Is that not an attack on Mr. Romney? Reid demands that Romney bow down before him and prove that he paid taxes. Isn't Mr. Reid using the power of his Senate position against the private citizen who will be sitting in the White House after November's election?

That's what this attack on Mr. Cathy is all about. Those attacks from people who hold offices in government are using the authority of their office to intimidate, to harass, to threaten anyone who does not fall into line behind them.

This is a black or white issue. Free speech is an absolute.

Screwdriver
Casa Grande, AZ

Mike, nobody has denied Cathy anything nor censored him. When a permit is actually denied then you can make that argument. Try to not false witness.

Mayors can have all the opinions they want, they can even say it out loud.

Again, when they actually deny Chick-fil-a a permit, they will loose in court withing a few days because nobody backs them in doing it.

Why don't you join liberals in supporting Muslim Mosques getting thier permits? No, I don't agree with a lot of Muslim stances on things - but that's no reason to deny them equal rights.

I don't agree with the mega-church down the street. Did I seek to deny them a building permit? No.

Leesha
Kearns, UT

@Milhouse:
If it is a meaningless fight that is going nowhere, as you suggest, then it shouldn't matter where you eat, and what statement you might be making by eating there.
To me, Chick-Fil-a rocks!

George
Bronx, NY

@l whit
@L White
your right this article is about the two mayor inappropriate use of their postiton to speak out
against chick fil Obama. However, President Obama and Senator Reid had nothing to do with this incident. If you, j and mike bring them into the conversation in what is clearly an attempt to link them to this situation then other also have the right to respond to those statements including pointing out that you maybe bearing false witness.

Let me be clear, I absolutely agree that these two mayors where wrong to have acted the way they did. I also think if you look back at this and other threads on chck fil a you will plainly see that no one is defending what these two mayors did, they clearly where out of bounds.If you look outside the DN you will also see the ACLU came to chickfils defense.

As a side note claiming that free speech is absolute is a bit of an extreme statement. People do not have the right to use free speech to yell fire in a crowded theater or threaten to murder or harm others for instance.

George
Bronx, NY

@L white

your right the article is about chick fil a and Mike attempted to falsely tie Obama to the controversy, kind of the definition of bearing false witness.

Cathy was attacked by two mayors, hardly the same as "our government" Do you have and evidence to support your assertions that Obama had anything to do with the mayors comments or are you also going to bear false witness? Making false and unsupported accusations falls well outside Christian values that you claim to be supporting.

worf
Mcallen, TX

We have the most generous government in history, and now every group of people are trying to find entitlements, by playing the bigot card.

This is all about qualifying for some kind of handout, not the unfairness of marriage.

Wish I'm wrong, but we're transforming into a nation of beggars, and whiners. Just immature, and pathetic.

mcdugall
Layton, UT

@ute alumni

FYI
Brookline, MA where Barney Frank lives has no Mayor. Mayor Menino is the Mayor of Boston, MA.

ute alumni
Tengoku, UT

georg,
hustle to the kiss in. it is obvious that you side with anti free speech.

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