Lost in DC,Nice try. Even if it were true that attaching amendments
that have nothing to do with a bill has been since the beginning of our nation
doesn't make it right. Run your own bill. Obamcare went through both
houses on its own merits there was an up or down vote on the both floors, it was
not attached to a defense appropriations bill, it was its own legislation. You
may not like that it passed and specifically on a partisan vote, but that seems
to be the way the congress currently functions, and no its not right. Interesting that when a discussion comes up about a republican and something
they have done on this board, nobody can defend it on it merits, they can only
tell you that President Obama has done something worse. I would think that a
party so principled as the republicans could do better than Mr. Obama did this
so this isn't bad, or we have always done it this way.
Fred and one old manif you oppose the method in which lee is trying to get
the legislation through you must be LIVID about how Obamacare was passed. Lee
is doing has been done since the beginning of the nation. Geez, every bill BO
proposes, whether it's defense appropriation or renaming a post office, has
a tax hike attached to it. Obamacare was passed in a most unusual manner, using
the revenue reconcilliation process reserved for tax and revenus bills on a bill
they assured us was not a tax hike.
@ Rifleman and VST: From the article, "The legislation is based on the
disputed claim that fetuses can feel pain after 20 weeks' gestation and is
a top priority of anti-abortion groups.""Disputed claim"
means a claim that is not verified - a claim which is not proven.Reading comprehension is your friend.Rifleman: Nice red-herring
bringing in the death penalty - but how about addressing the actual issues I
one old man is right. I to am opposed to abortion and I would applaud Mr. Lee
if would run a bill of his own dealing with abortion. Attaching this amendment
to a bill that has nothing to do with abortion is one of the reasons the United
States congress cannot get anything done. It nothing more than a stunt or a
tactic to defeat the bill he attached this to through the back door. How about our congressmen start trying to solve Americas problems and quit
playing political games.
Re: Kalindra Salt Lake City, Utah"There is no valid scientific proof
that at 20 weeks the brain is developed enough for pain to be felt."Your typical liberal will agonize over the minimal discomfort a
condemned man may, or may not, feel during a lethal injection but are so blazay
over the pain a 24 week old viable unborn child definitely feels when his (or
her) life is terminated.
While I oppose abortion in other than cases in which the mother's life is
in danger, this kind of tactic is simply not right.Using amendments
attached to completely non-related bills is something that should be outlawed.
@ Rifleman: Interesting - nothing in your list addresses brain development,
especially the part of the brain required to feel pain.There is no
valid scientific proof that at 20 weeks the brain is developed enough for pain
to be felt.Now, let's talk about someone who can feel pain:
the mother.Less than 2% of abortions occur after 20 weeks. These
are pregnancies that are wanted. This is a woman who has picked out a name for
her baby, started buying clothes for the baby, has dreams and hopes for the
future with this baby.And then, she finds out that there is a
problem. Abortions after 20 weeks are usually necessary abortions - there is a
problem with the pregnancy that causes a threat to the woman, or she finds out
that her baby has birth defects that make his or her survival outside the womb
very painful or very short-term or both.Let's talk about the
pain of these mothers who are faced with making those decisions. Decisions that
you, me, and Mike Lee have no business interfering in.Let's
talk about the fact that Mike Lee's bill makes no allowance for any of
At 20 weeks the baby is as follows:Baby now weighes about 11 ounces
and is roughly 7 inches long.Baby is 17cm long crown to rump, and weighs
about 310 grams.The baby can hear and recognize the mother's
voice.The mother will probably start feeling the first fetal movements.The toenails and fingernails are growing.The growth of hair on the rest
of the body has started.The skin is getting thicker.The heart can
now be heard with a stethoscope.The good news for those who support
abortions is that the baby is still not viable for another 3 weeks.
Couldn't they at least give the baby drugs to ease the pain when they
terminate it's life?