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Published: Tuesday, July 31 2012 11:48 p.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

We need both higher taxes and lower spending. The American people don't want to hear the truth, so you we really can't blame our politicians for not telling us.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"an expensive but underfunded government without any serious plan for making revenues and expenditures match,"

"serious plan" is the key here. Neither party wants to do what is necessary. And neither party has put forth a plan to make revenue and expenditures match.

The Dems dont want to hit entitlements too hard and the GOP has vowed to NOT raise taxes one cent.

And both sides get what they really want. STALEMATE. They get status quo.

The GOP would be in a real pickle if they had the numbers to pass the Ryan budget. They are very happy voting for budgets that they know can not pass.

Fixing the budget will take massive spending cuts and modest tax increases.

The "we dont have a taxing problem, we have a spending problem" crowd has yet to show how to put that bumper sticker slogan into a solution. And, the reasonable people know it cannot be done.

If the right continues to take a NO COMPROMISE approach, nothing will change.

And the resulting non solution is worse than a bipartisan agreement.

But too many are now so hard line right that they cant see it.

ThatsSoUtah
Fredericksburg, VA

It would be pretty awesome if you could get some news articles that were simply news with facts and relevant data than a few supposed facts with large amounts of opinion thrown in. Let people make up their own mind about how to feel about things rather than telling them how to feel.

ThatsSoUtah
Fredericksburg, VA

Grr! My apologies in regard to my last comment. When I first saw the story it wasn't under the opinion heading.

Thus, my rant that an article was full of opinion when it is, in fact, an opinion article is unjustified. Please disregard.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

@ Roland. It doesn’t matter how much taxes we pay if the government doesn’t spend less! And the Obama administration has demonstrated it will not cut spending!

Emajor
Ogden, UT

When you have a polarized party system that considers "compromise" a dirty word and leadership in the Republican Party stating that they want to make the President fail at any and all costs, "kicking the can a little farther down the road" is about the best you can expect.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Re Roland Kayser: "We need both higher taxes and lower spending. The American people don't want to hear the truth, so you we really can't blame our politicians for not telling us." Minor addition to your excellent comment we need higher tax revenues devoted solely and specifically to reduce debt. Just having increased revenues have never led either to less debt or lower spending. And, the budget for lower spending needs to be approved before revenues are in place. Otherwise, the reduced spending never will come.

Hemlock
Salt Lake City, UT

In 2008 Obama derided George Bush for using a Chinese credit card, calling in irresponsible and unpatriotic. Obama and the Dems have made Bush's spending look small. It's time for a regime change.

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

"And the Obama administration has demonstrated it will not cut spending!"

Mountanman .

Care to tell me which president or congress HAS demonstrated that it WILL CUT SPENDING?

From what I have seen, it is neither party.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@mountanman
Which party is it that very much wants to avoid scheduled and passed spending cuts that go into effect January 1st? Oh right, the Republicans.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

Many posters are partially correct. We need more tax revenues and less spending. Unfortunately the liberals only know of one way of generating more revenues, and that is by raising rates. The best way to raise revenues is to get more people working. If you liberals could figure out how to inspire the assurance and stability in government that businesses are seeking we can get more businesses hiring. Many CEOs of large companies state that Obama's erratic and unpredictable nature with respect to business regulation is what makes them not want to hire.

To "Emajor" why should conservatives compromise on something that is bad for the country. Would you have your daughter compromise her values when out on a date?

JoeBlow
Far East USA, SC

" If you liberals could figure out how to inspire the assurance and stability in government "

Hmm, looked to me like the economy started tanking under GOP leadership. I guess the conservatives "couldn't figure out how to inspire the assurance and stability in government"
either.

Nice try red. But, we were ALREADY bleeding 700,000 jobs per month when Obama was elected.

ThatsSoUtah
Fredericksburg, VA

@RedShirt
"Many CEOs of large companies state that Obama's erratic and unpredictable nature with respect to business regulation is what makes them not want to hire."

I don't buy that for one second. If there is such a problem with regulation, why are there so many companies out there making record profits? Why are these same companies still laying people off?

The answer is because they have discovered that people will put up with about anything in order to keep their job because there aren't a lot of jobs out there. Thus, work your few employees hard enough to make up for the slack. Pay them poorly, cut their benefits and then show them the door whenever you feel like picking up someone even cheaper.

Do you really think these companies are going to acknowledge that greed is their motivator? Of course not, they're going to pass the blame onto the easiest target.

VST
Bountiful, UT

So then "Joe Blow" blaming the previous administration is going to solve the problem? Those who live in the past are doomed to die in the past. It is time to move on to the present.

It is now time for solutions. So far, neither Congress (Democrats or Republicans) nor the Administration is willing to come up with workable solutions.

"Roland," economists and the Federal Reserve have been clearly telling us that raising taxes and lowering governmental expenditures (right now in this fragile economy) will not solve the problem. If anything, they are saying it will likely send the economy into a double-dip recession.

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

@Redshirt
A large portion of the uncertainty comes from the republicans who at times have wanted to do things like smash into the debt ceiling limit.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

To "JoeBlow" and what is your point? Bush, with the help of Obama, set into motion the public policies that kept bleeding jobs. You forget that Bush was a Progressive, which is not a conservative.

If you look at the BLS numbers, when congress was run by Democrats, and we tried their plans there was nearly 0 job growth. Once Congress had its control split, job creation took off. Why did it happen like that?

According to some economists, the best party to control congress is neither. It is best to have congress so busy fighting with itself. With congress in continual gridlock businesses don't have to worry about much in terms of new regulation and taxes. However, Obama has found that he can use executive orders and federal agencies to bring about his agenda.

To "ThatsSoUtah" and "alt134" read "Stop Bashing Business, Mr. President" in the WSJ and "Obama Secretly Courts Big Business" in the Daily Beast. There 2 CEOs are quite clear about how Obama and his policies make them scared to expand and end up making the companies lay off employees.

Wonder
Provo, UT

Bush was a progressive????? That's a good one.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

Redshirt,
"why should conservatives compromise on something that is bad for the country. Would you have your daughter compromise her values when out on a date"

Oh dear, talk about comparing apples to kumquats. It's telling that you view national fiscal policy with the same absolutism as you do your religious moral codes.

Here's the problem with that: economists can't agree on how to get the economy back on track. Some say the stimulus was necessary, others say it makes matters worse. Multiple hypotheses, and no control group with which to test them. You think the economy is ruined because of Obama's policies, but you have no idea what this economy would be like if McCain/Palin had been in office since 2008. It may have been worse. Or better. Here's the difference between you and I on this: I won't say that the economy would have been worse with a republican in office. Because, like you, I can't prove it. When you can travel back in time and change the course of the 2008 election, let me know how the economy looks during Alternate Reality 2012.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

Redshirt,
Sorry, but I've got to blabber on again. You seem to be putting a lot of faith in what CEOs think should be done. JP Morgan Chase just lost, what, perhaps $9 billion in bad investments, despite prior reassurances from its CEO that they were not engaged in risky investments? If a CEO didn't see that coming within his own company, why should I believe what some say about national economic policy?

twells
Ogden, UT

There is a simple solution to this problem. Instead of 50% of Americans paying taxes, lets have "all" Americans pay their fair share. Instead of blaming each political party, let's just face the facts that both parties are to blame for the problems we now have. Why? Well, because the average American was "trusting" his or hers elected offical to do what should be good for America. We were working, raising our families, paying our taxes and the government official kept spending and spending and then it was gone. Imangine that!

Yet, we still look to the government to fix the problem. What a foolish thought. We need the courage to force term limits, live within our means and stop expecting hand outs. Someone somewhere is paying for the handout. It is not the government. It is the people paying the taxes. The 50% taking care of all the rest that think there is a money tree in Washington. Oh yea, I forgot there is, it is called the Federal Reserve and they print fiat money. It is worth the value of the paper it is printed on. You can pay more taxes-I am taxed out.

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