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Under President Obama, have race relations improved?

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  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:40 a.m.

    Worf,

    I am the one blinded? Sorry but virtually every American pays taxes? See we have local taxes, state taxes, FICA, sales tax, all kinds of taxes. As a percent of their total wealth poor and middle class people pay more in total taxes than do rich people. I know there are many on this board that don't like to talk about that. Believing that the ultra wealthy could pay a little more in taxes doesn't constitute class warfare, sorry. The class warfare argument is made by republicans to justify their desire to continue lowering taxes for the wealthy.

    For your information I did not vote for Mr. Obama last time, and I probably won't vote for him this time, so I really don't think I am blinded by him. I prefer to look and decide for myself. I don't automatically hit R or D. Oh by the way I don't have any problem with people who have accumulated wealth honestly, I applaud them.

    The job creator argument for the ultra wealthy doesn't wash unless you are talking about jobs created in China. Small businesses create most of the jobs in this country.

  • AmberDru Xenia, OH
    Aug. 1, 2012 11:39 a.m.

    No, they are worse. I never would have believed that the U.S. attorney general would refuse to prosecute a race based hate group- the black panthers-smacking a night stick in front of a polling place if I hadn't seen it myself.

    Then the president decides that existing laws should not apply to large classes illegal aliens- mostly Hispanic; hurting legal Hispanics, blacks and all Americans.

    His race and ethnic based preferences have hurt the country.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 1, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    Fred44
    Salt Lake City, Utah,

    Your bitter class warfare against the rich is glowing. Who do you think pays the most taxes, and create the jobs? You've been brainwashed by Obama.

    This is like a failing student complaining of someone on the honor roll. It's not fair.

    Remember, half the people don't pay any income taxes, and they're the one complaining.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 1, 2012 7:22 a.m.

    Lost in DC,

    The Occupy movement was not about class warfare and looking for a handout. The occupy movement was about the need to regulate Wall Street so that managers of big banks couldn't play fast and free with our money and make risky investments to try and increase their bonuses. It was about shining light on the unethical and immoral, but technically legal practices of many of the big operators on Wall Street. Did some people hijack the movement and make it look bad, sure. Did the Fox News Channel find those who wanted their 30 seconds of fame that were protesting for the sake of protest, and put them on tv, sure.

    In terms of the Bush tax cuts I agree, they were the first republican tax cuts in the last thirty years that did anything for the middle and lower class. To be honest you must include the massive Reagan tax cuts for the wealthy. In thirty years CEO salary has gone up over 400% and the average worker today adjusted for inflation is about even. If class warfare will get me a 400% increase in my salary over 30 years declare it on me right now.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 31, 2012 1:36 p.m.

    Fred44
    Salt Lake City, Utah,

    You don't think class warfare exist?

    Just read some of the posts in the DN.

    A? You didn't build that! You think you're smart? You worked hard? Let me tell you, there's alot of smart people who work hard.

    Those bitter words of anger didn't come from Shawn, Rush or Glen. Nope! Obama himself.

    Since when does a leader assume success as arrogant, then criticize them for it?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 31, 2012 8:49 a.m.

    Rich people pay eighty percent of income taxes, while the lower half pays nothing.

    Obama has accused the rich of not paying their fair share. They didn't build their businesses, they think they're smart, and worked hard. They've accomplished on the backs of others.

    This is not unifying comments and strains relations between people.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 31, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    fred,
    I have not listened to rush, glen, or shawn in a loooooong time.

    I took BO at his word when he proclaimed he was a class warrior. It appears you do not believe him. just google it.

    BO has supported and encouraged the occupy movement, which is based on class envy and warfare.

    please lets have an intellectual discussion by not ignoring BO's quotes when they do not support your assertion that he has not encouraged class warfare.

    the tax rates paid by the upper class have nothing to do with whether BO encourages class warfare or not. It is BECAUSE of those tax rates that he encourages class warfare.

    the bush tax cuts reduced lower income tax rates MUCH more than upper tax rates. the lowest rates were reduced 500 bp while the upper were reduced only 460 bp. child tax credit doubled for lower - upper cannot take it. On a dollar basis, sure, the upper saw their taxes reduced more, but on a percentage basis, the lower saw more. I would suggest that $3500 is a bigger deal to a $50k/year family of 4 than $23,000 is to a $500k family of 4.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 30, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    To win votes, he'd set one group against another. Even give money to Israel hoping to win a few Jewish votes, or increase food stamps and welfare to attract some minorities.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 30, 2012 5:48 p.m.

    Lost in DC,

    Class warfare is a figment of Rush, Shawn Glen and all their minions imagination. It really is amusing to listen to rich people complain about being picked on when in the last thirty years their taxes have gone down by over 20% and they have deductions everywhere to drive down the rate even further. In the last three years, the upper 5% of wage earners in America have seen their salaries increase by an average of over 20% while the rest of America has seen no wage increase, and we are picking on the wealthy? If there is any class warfare it is against the middle class as the wealthy continue to ship jobs overseas to third world countries. Why do they go to third world countries, no regulations and hourly salary of a couple of dollars and hour with no benefits and no overtime.

    Please lets have intellectual discussions about facts, remembering that Shawn, Rush and Glen mix in a few facts with lots of propaganda.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 30, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Knowing that President Obama contributed to the racial claims behind the Secretary of Agriculture issue (she was black) and the killing of a (black) boy by a self-appointed neighborhood watchman suggests to me that the fact President Obama is president has not directly influenced racial relations positively in the U.S.

    My expectation of a President would be to allow the lesser folks do their jobs and allow due process to take place, without the immediate "knee-jerk" racial reactions. This President also declared race would not be an issue in his presidential campaign, but then used his race when it was to an advantage.

    So no, I don't believe our current president has made a positive impact on racial relations; in fact, he has likely contributed to racial tensions.

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 30, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Shortly after the election in 2008 meant the House, Senate and Presidential Executives would be in control of almost all forms of government, except marginally, the Supreme Court. The Republicans were then able to mobilize people to the movement in 2010 when the Democrats lost the House after forcing on the American people the Affordable Healthcare Act when some in the House would lose their seats by their actions. The Democrats are fearing that the mobilization will move toward the Senate and the Presidential office and control by the Republicans of the Executive offices, again. The President has some responsibility in the loss in the House, and he knows it. The House is the most fragile of Legislative offices as the position is 2 years at a time and boundaries are moved when the Census impact is felt. It is a refreshing time when that happens as Representatives have to be on the lookout and protection of their constituents as demographics change, even for the Speaker of the House with all that power. This President didn't have the 9/11/2001 incident to work out and thwarts every action taken by President Bush to overcome the bias that brought.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 30, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    The letter is wrong. Race relationships have worsened. The relationship between blacks and whites is getting worse because they have been taught by the media and many of their churches that if you disagree with Obama and his policies you are a racist. As a whole, whites are less racist now than ever before, while blacks are more racist than ever. If you want to fix racism, you have to shut off the new media programs that worship Obama, and turn off the preachers who teach racism.

  • Hellooo Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:43 a.m.

    UtahBlueDevil: Just for the sake of accuracy Rush Limbaugh said that one particular black qb was not that good, and that he was only being pushed as great because of a bias of the liberal media. For those that seek to see racism, they usually find it, but amazing do not recognize it in themselves. Mr. Obama has hurt race relations in the country because of his lack of understanding of economy. Structured economies tend to maintain the status quo, the rich stay rich, the poor and the middle class ever more dependent on the largess of government. It hurts and those that get hurt most are often minorities. Then the panders provide an easy answer to there problems, bigotry and racism, rather than growing the economy and providing opportunity for more citizens of all races.

  • Wyominguy Buffalo, WY
    July 30, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Lets first be clear; President Obama is not the first black President, he is the first mixed race President. Being a product of the racially charged South of the late 40's through the 60's I lived within a racial culture, and looking back we have made Huge progress. There were "colored" and "white" drinking fountains in public buildings, "colored restrooms, black men walked with their eyes directed at the ground for fear of being accused of staring at white women, there were " colored" beaches, and of course "colored" schools and the blacks to the back of the public bus rules. As a 12 year old I was addressed as "Mr. Robert" by my friends black maid. Has President Obama continued that progress, my feeling is that he has not, instead he has fostered an "us against them" attitude making racial acceptance more difficult. Just because a man of color was elected does not change a thing, it simply shows people vote for the perception of leadership, a quality Mr. Obama has proven Not to have.

  • UtahBlueDevil Durham, NC
    July 30, 2012 11:19 a.m.

    Have they become worse.... absolutely. Not because of what Obama has done as his actions haven't been all that different than any other white male elected official. But it is because there are those offended that a black man is their leader. People of color were told they were not smart enough to serve in the military. Colin Powell proved that wrong. Blacks were told they were not capable to compete athletically with whites - that has been proven wrong many times over. Rush said a black man was not smart enough to be a quarterback - the only reason we had black quarterbacks was quotas. That wasn't all that long ago. Limbaugh was fired for those statements. Blacks were told that they weren't smart enough to lead in many industries, and yet they have. But were exceptions in some minds.

    But President of the United States of America.... that is more than many can deal with. My grandparents feared the day blacks lived in their neighborhood. Now, Blacks get to attend in our temples, and hold high office. More than many can take. Lets call this for what it really is.

    Obama perfect... no. No politician is.

  • lost in DC West Jordan, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Larry, Fred,
    you DENY BO is engaged in class warfare? I guess you missed it when he stood up and proudly proclaimed he is a class warrior.

    Larry
    BO has been moderate by NO measure. he rammed through a healthcare bill the majority of us rejected, he is ending the war in Iraq on the timetable BUSH set, - BO tried to negotiate to STAY LONGER! He has presided over a low tax rate environment because he cannot get congress to go along with his tax increases. But Wait! Obamacare IS a MASSIVE tax increase. I think your perception that the right is further right is distorted by the fact that BO is so far left.

    Fred,
    no war on religion? Only if you do not recognize catholicism as religion. Obamacare and HHS trump the 1st amendment rights guaranteeing the free exercise of religion. Even the extremely liberal NYT times opines that BO is overstepping his bounds and attacking the free exercise of religion. THE NYT!!!!

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    I think this President has brought the prejudices this country still has to the surface. When you look at the GOP you see a party dominated by white, upper income males. Yes, they have women, blacks and hispanics in the party but they are a small majority. Shortly after the election, the GOP informally discussed how they planned to obstruct this President in any way possible and make him a one term President. Some question if that was because of his race more so than policies. Minorities continue to be the growing segment of the American society and Obama's presidency brought visibilty to this trend. As the gap between rich and poor and our minority population continues to grow more ethnic leaders like Obama will rise up and lead our country. Leaders in appearance like John McCain and Mitt Romney will decrease and I expect a large number of whites will not cede power quietly. The term "race relations" will become discussed and argued a lot in the future.

  • don17 Temecula, CA
    July 30, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    Dividing by race or whatever is not the issue that needs addressing. The real issue is what affects all Americans. The President standing up and saying the election is about anything other than the economy is a bob and weave to avoid the misery sweeping the United States. The economy and how it is being handled is all that matters.

    President Obama has not sat down and talked to regular Americans or even met with his economic leaders.

    What has resulted is single mothers fighting to feed their childern while trying to find even a part-time job. A father with children standing in line begging for a place to sleep for his kids and to find food for them with no government benefits available to him based on gender is the Obama legacy.

    Why do you think Obama flies into Los Angeles and then avoids LA proper by tying up traffic going up the 405 to his rich fundraisers homes. He doesn't head over to the 110 freeway and exit at 8th street to go over to the Salvation Army Center. He is afraid a camera will see the results of his failed policy! Hungry Families and Children!

  • JWB Kaysville, UT
    July 30, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    This President had the golden opportunity to demonstrate real racial equality to all people in this world. Instead, for 20 years before becoming President he established his likes and dislikes through his minister of racial thoughts and methods. The President has sort of divorced that relationship, somewhat, to show he is more moderate but his dislikes are deeep seated. You cannot get rid of those thoughts by stating let it be done. A person lives those thoughts through actions, even community actions which can be devisive to a community and nation. The President even goes around the world telling those peolple we have not been a bad nation, even though our country doesn't advance war except for self-preservation of our country. Military strength is needed with racial equality and that is a challenge in this kind of Presidency we have had. He could have been a legacy for racial equality but will not be remembered as a person that was hand given the Nobel Peace Prize at the beginning of his Presidency. Even then, people thought he would bring more peace from prosperity but instead has brought our national interests to weakness and a fragile world that needs boosting.

  • Ross Madison, AL
    July 30, 2012 9:47 a.m.

    Obama has proved to be a divider not a healer so if anything all relationships are worse. Race problems have a great element of self-inflictedness. Each of us can love our fellow man regardless of race and offer the upper hand of acceptance, but it is up to those entrapped in mental slavery by some of their own people to step out and let their actions in life do their talking for them. Blacks who prey on blacks and keep them in mental slavery for money, should be pointed out and exposed for what they are doing to hold them back. Any honest leader can help shed light on this problem, we have many people in this country suffering through mental slavery.

  • Fred44 Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 30, 2012 9:06 a.m.

    What war on religion? Class warfare, give me a break that is a fabrication of the far right. The most divisive President ever, based on what other than what Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity say.

    I don't necessarily agree with the Presidents policies but the personal attacks on this President have far exceeded anything any other President has been subject to. Is that because of race or simply politics? I tend to believe a little bit of both. I thought this country had come a long way when it comes to race, but I am beginning to wonder if we have come as far as I thought.

    The respect for the office has really disappeared in the last three years. Argue with his policies fine, but this is a good family man who is trying to do what he thinks is best for the country and as the President deserves more respect than he has been given.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 30, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    Peter and Mountanman couldn't be more wrong! President Obama has been moderate by almost any measure. He has continued to wind down Bush's wars, he has adopted an idea for healthcare based on the conservative Heritage Foundation's principles, and has presided over a federal government that has levied taxes at the lowest rate in recent memory.
    What has changed is the conservative segment of the American electorate. Republicans are moving to the right so fast that they have had to reject principles they embraced 5 or 10 years ago. When so many people move out of the mainstream its hard to get anything done.

  • Mountanman Hayden, ID
    July 30, 2012 7:26 a.m.

    Obama’s war on religion, class warfare and war on men have divided this nation by class, income, and gender more than any time in our history! Under Obama’s leadership, we have become a house divided against in more areas than just race and those divisions are growing!

  • mohokat Ogden, UT
    July 30, 2012 7:14 a.m.

    Obama could have done something to improve relations had he tried but like most things that he does it has gone against the country.Everything he touches turns out for the worse. His goal is not to improve anything but to tear down to further socialism and communism. He panders to the Blacks, Hispanics,Muslims etc. "They in turn look the other way and vote for him in droves. These groups are showing us all that racism is alive and well.

  • liberal larry salt lake City, utah
    July 30, 2012 6:55 a.m.

    The topic of race relations is very subjective, but we can slowly see relations improving by one very objective measure. The rate of racial intermarriage continues to increase in the United States. Now 8.4% of marriages are interracial, and the numbers show a steady increase since the 1970's, after the Supreme Court struck down race based marriage laws in 1967.
    Obama's election is just one more step forward in America's drive towards racial equality.

  • peter Alpine, UT
    July 30, 2012 6:18 a.m.

    AP poses a good question. Obama is one of the most divisive presidents America has lived under, not only racially, but economically, morally, etc. And I have to ask, has anything improved under obama?