@Uteology2nd/4th vs 1st? You're going to lose that argument
everytime. Look at it this way, when they talk about all time greatest QB's
in NFL history what do they say about 2 time Super Bowl champion John Elway vs
Super Bowl runner-up Dan Marino? None of the experts give Dan Marino the nod
ahead of John Elway because Dan never won the big one. Being 2nd just
doesn't cut it no matter how many stats he compiled.On no
planet in the Sports Universe is 2nd place or 4th place ever better than 1st.
Look, don't feel bad for 2004 or 2008, those were both very good seasons.
You should feel proud considering where the Utah program has come from. 2nd/4th
place isn't something to be ashamed of.
The reason for slow starts and strong finishes for Bronco's team? Who
knows? Could be SOS, having a deeper, well conditioned team that plays well
into November, playing most tough September games away, breaking in new
offensive coordinators, etc. It's hard to be too objective about it. But
even with Naval Vet's accurate and discouraging stats, BYU still attracts
64k fans to its stadium, and is the most popular team in TV ratings in the
state. And as long as college football remains a beauty contest, BYU remains the
top attraction in the state and one of the most watched teams in the West.
@DuckhunterOh and uteology please tell us exactly how much credence,
and respect, you put in barry switzers opinions and predictions before the 2009
sugar bowl? I love utah "fan" hypocrisy!----------It's what people said after the bowl game not before.Barry
wasn't saying much by half time of the 2009 Sugar Bowl when the only
"12-0 from a real conference" was being dismantled.While in
1984 he couldn't stop LOL when BYU backed into a national tile by playing
the worst SOS in history of college football.
Sammy,So was the 08 game gift wrapped for the Utes as well with Max
having several interceptions, and 1 fumble? It seems to me that the Y gift wraps
a lot of games for the Utes. I think that it is actually the superior Ute
defense that is stopping the Y, and forcing those turnovers. The Y is not gift
wrapping anything. So Max was a an inept QB as well then, and that game was also
a fluke huh? Like the 04 game along with that. It was actually the 98 game with
the doink off the upright, or the 4th and 18 play games that were flukes. That
doesn't happen all too often, but the big turnover games for the Y, and the
huge Ute beatdowns seem to be a common occurance the last 10 years
"Cougars will always struggle with decent opponents."54-10,Utah will always struggle with decent opponents. Just look
at the last three years. They lost to ASU(6-7), Colorado(3-10), Washington(7-6),
Cal(7-6), USC(10-2), Notre Dame(8-5), TCU(13-0), BSU(12-1), BYU(11-2),
Oregon(10-3), and TCU(12-1). You could even argue that every now and the Utah
loses to really bad teams such as a 3-10 Colorado team last year whose only win
on the road was at Utah, or ASU who appeared average at best last year, or to go
back more than 3 years, UNLV who was beyond bad.
To state the obvious, the slow starts are due to the level of competition at the
beginning of the season vs the consistent weak opponents at the back end of the
schedule. Cougars will always struggle with decent opponents.
@Uteology "Without looking it up, can you tell us who won the last 10 SUPER
BOWL trophies."I can't give you ten, but I can give you
around 5 without looking it up.You can check me on these, but I
think it goes like this:Giants, Packers, Saints, Steelers, GiantsAs for the last five Sugar Bowl winners, I have no idea.All of
this is moot, however. The U's best team ever ended up 2/4 in the polls
and the only 1st place vote they got in the coaches poll was from Kyle
Whittingham, who subsequently got a slap on the wrist. Kind of sad
that the only coach in the country who thought their team was good enough to be
number one was the U's very own coach.Meanwhile, BYU finished
1984 ranked 1/1 in the polls and they have the trophy to prove it. It
doesn't matter what U think of it, or BYU haters think of it, or Bryant
Gumbel and Barry Switzer.Only thing U need to know is BYU has a
national championship and ESPN. Utah has KJZZ and trailer park football
Oh and uteology please tell us exactly how much credence, and respect, you put
in barry switzers opinions and predictions before the 2009 sugar bowl? I love
utah "fan" hypocrisy!LOL!
train34Gladly, 7 fumbles, a gift wrapped win for the Utes, several
unforced stupid mistakes, an inept QB, it was a fluke, etc. BYU recovered the
season and ended up winning its bowl game and the respect of several coaches
votes to end the season in the TOP 25 Coaches Poll.And how does one
explain losing to a 10 loss team who had not won a road game in 4 years? This
could be, as they say, one of those 'breakout moments' in a therapy
It's all about preseason preparation.
Duck,The haters have a hard time seeing things logically through
their hate clouded red goggles.
@uteologyIf as you claim the bcs system was "put in place so
that 1984 won't ever repeat" then BYU's 1984 NCAA Football
National Championship is the most important and most relevent National
Championship in the history of college football and yes it is widely remembered
by just about everyone including bitter utah "fans".LOL!
@eastcoastuteActually Bronco is 5-2 in bowl games with wins over
16th ranked osu, oregon, and ucla. For a Cougar "fan" you sure
don't know much about them.
uteology,They may not respect it, but they definitely remember it.
Utah fans keep trying to wish it away, but it is not going anywhere. And yes, I
can actually tell you the last 20+ Super Bowl winners. You see I am a football
fan, not a hater.
@Cougars1Without looking it up, can you tell us who won the last 10
SUPER BOWL trophies.Not many people outside of Utah remembers
BYU's 1984 national title, but those that do really don't respect it
(see Bryant Gumbel and Barry Switzer).
Uteology,Without looking it up, can you tell us who won the Sugar
Bowl trophy for the last 10 years. It's hard to remember bowl games, but
most people remember National Champions.
@BigCougarYes that BCS system that...A) Was put in place
so that 1984 won't ever repeatB) Was taken down in part due to the
success of Utah, Boise, and TCU. Actually, yes we did get a
trophy:A) Utah received the Sugar Bowl championship trophyB)
TCU received the Rose Bowl championship trophy
@Uteology"That ONE top 15, actually top 4, team that Kyle had is the
highest ranked non-AQ team under the current system (16 AP 1st votes vs TCU 2010
with 3)"You mean the current system that is getting scrapped
because it was deficient? Yes, that's certainly something to hang your hat
on. Your BEST effort was 4th runner-up in an irrelevant system that is going to
be replaced. Do you get a trophy for that? I know in youth soccer
everyone gets a trophy, even the last place teams. You can talk about that for
years. "Why young whipper-snapper, I remember it like it was
yesterday. When I was a boy, the Utes took 4th place. Woo-hoo (cough-cough) that
was quite a team (cough-cough)" "Gee Great Granddad, 4th
place...that's quite an accomplishment! did they give out a trophy for 4th
place?""Uhhh...no. We didn't get anything for 4th place
and in the grand scheme of things it was of no consequence. Nobody remembers 4th
place.""Gee Great Granddad, what is it that people
remember?""National Championships young whipper-snapper.
That's why they play the game."
Sammyg, could you break down the utah v. byu game last year?
Washington StateWeber State@Utah@BoiseMost likely
2-2 or 1-3. Most unlikely 3-1 or 4-0... I think 4-0 will lead to
"airport celebrations".@UteanymousThat ONE top
15, actually top 4, team that Kyle had is the highest ranked non-AQ team under
the current system (16 AP 1st votes vs TCU 2010 with 3). You wish
you could accomplish those "Quests".
@Wayne Rout"The poor start problem must be laid at the feet of the
coaches. The teams are not prepared. Even some of the wins, like Mississippi and
Washington in the last couple of years, seemed to be good wins at the time, but
later in the season we could see that those teams in their respective years were
not really very good so they were very ordinary wins."Good
comments Wayne. I think one fundamental change that has to be made is with
Bronco himself. He has relaxed the demand on himself and his coaches in recent
years and that needs to change. Also, he has said that he doesn't do
special game plans for particular opponents and instead rely on superior
execution to beat them. Meanwhile many of our opponents treat the BYU game on
their schedule like it's the Super Bowl (see Utah last year). We need to
exceed them in energy, effort, innovation, strategy and execution. Stop treating
those games like they're just another game.Also I'd like
to see coaches stop taking their foot off the gas in the 2nd half of games and
play to win until the final gun.
The poor start problem must be laid at the feet of the coaches. The teams are
not prepared. Even some of the wins, like Mississippi and Washington in the
last couple of years, seemed to be good wins at the time, but later in the
season we could see that those teams in their respective years were not really
very good so they were very ordinary wins. I assure you that Washington State
will be well prepared when they come to Provo. They won't be alternating
quarterbacks that's for sure.
@Riley Nelson""No one's really talked about that. It has been
a focus of ours. We can't afford to do it anymore. We did it again last
year. It's over, man. It's the same old song. We're tired of
doing the same stuff."Oh, it's over simply because you say
it's over? I think the problem is we hear rhetoric every year how "this
year" is different. This year we have "senior leadership" to lead
the young guys, or some new miraculous approach to workouts that individualizes
it based on the position, or a renewed focus with higher expectations, etc. Then
when fall camp starts we see the continuing trend of easier routines, lighter
drills, fewer practices in pads with live situations, coaches going home earlier
so they can have dinner with their families, easier weekends, fewer two-a-days,
etc.The bottom line is, if you want to get better you need to work
harder and smarter. We're great in week one, it's weeks 2 and 3 that
the focus and execution suffer. We've had some pretty embarrassing and
inexcusable losses in weeks 2 and 3.
BYU continues to dominate the WAC just like 1984!!
to Uteanymous - it is easy to explain how Bronco finishes in the top 25 so
often. He beats teams like Idaho, Idaho State, and NM State then beats teams
like Tulsa and UTEP in bowl games to finish with 10 wins. It is
funny how many of the posters make comments about Naval Vet's post (too
much time on his hands, closet Y fan, explain Colorado) yet not a single post
refutes his argument. A sub 40% winning percentage agains stronger teams
further support my point above.All that said, win 10 games with the
schedule you have this year and the Y will deserve to have a top 25 ranking.
Let's see how the season plays out.
Veritas wonders "did the Utes run away from BYU football because they knew
there was nothing to be gained by a BYU beatdown."Yes, and ESPN
agrees. In their article on the upcoming Utah-USC game, ESPN notes "The
Utes can't do much to help their national credibility with wins over
Northern Colorado, Utah State, BYU or Arizona State."With the
exception of ASU, Utah doesn't have to schedule those non-impact teams, so
why do it in the future? Sure, the Utah-BYU game can be locally amusing, but
nationally nobody cares that Cougar fans were streaming out of the stadium in
the 3rd quarter.
Oh... Wow... Another BYU football article where Naval, ChrissyB,
Utah Hawaii Alum, Mildred, Bass, Uteology and the rest get to post how BYu
doesn't matter anymore. How they will give up football like Ricks College,
and how irrelevant a top 25 program is?No Wisconsin home and home?
They wish...I'm just curious, did the Utes run away from BYU
football because they knew there was nothing to be gained by a BYU beatdown. The
alumni want the game, the citizens of the state want the game, but is Dr. hill
to smart to avoid the rematch. Pretty weak.Post what you want about
last year... If BYU smacks down Utah this year, how much does Utah gain by not
playing again? The kids posting the score of last year, good luck of posting
this year's score as Utah will be beat down by an indy_WAC team, which is
what Utah is...If BYU Beats Utah, regardless of last year, Utah will
be regarded as kids running away from men. Pretty accurate, if you ask me.Go Utes, the only way to save face...
Question for Directv owners, sorry for posting here, but does anyone know when
BYUHD will air on Directv?
They start slow and need to beat teams that have a winning record. I respect
and admire all that Bronco has accomplished but his record against teams that
are .500 and above still needs to improve. They seem to be in some of the games
but still lose. I admire Bronco's stability and enforcement of rules. BYU
needs more players with a Riley Nelson heart, the one's that eat adversity
I am happy that the team will have more game situation work in Fall camp. We no
longer start the season with cupcakes that allow us to gear up to the tough
games that came later. Three of our first four games will be challenges to win.
Lets go out and win them. As for dingy boy who loves to troll BYU articles,
would you please apply your vast statistical knowledge to explaining how u lost
to colorado with the conference title game on the line.
What about our slow finish? BYU has a deplorable record vs. quality opponents in
bowl games going back to the Edwards' era. Meanwhile, TCU, Boise St. and
Utah have all gone to and won 2 BCS bowls. It's about time we stepped it up
and made a whole season of it.
I am certainly no BYU fan--but I have to say that Riley Nelson is a really sharp
kid and a fine QB. It's great to hear a college player who doesn't
speak in sound bites and cliches.
@ CougarFaninTX wrote: "I don't think there's much to the
"trends" in college because each year is a new team."Problem is that each new team is coached by the same staff. The staff needs
to put together a game plan and play calling that gets the team out of the gate
kokua, right on! tired of teams and their fans talking smack. just put up, or
shut up! do it on the field, not with your mouths!
The time coming to either put up or shut up. I love it when all these blogs
yammer away at one another. Now that we have heard from the peanut gallery,
lets fouces on the athletes and what they need to find and there collective
hearts and individual commitment.The team that quickly finds its
mental tuoghness, team tempo, collective and individual drive to push themselves
will see success early. Enough of the sideline, arm chair quarter backing of all
these never was and wanna-be's I love it when you see any team,
any young man or young woman give all they have, leave it out on the field so to
speak, and walk away content with themselves and there effort.This
strange funny football will bounce alot of unprodictable directions, and the
team that adapts will win. Its not always the better team it is the team who is
better in that moment
BYU starts out 2-2 with losses at Utah and Boise State. But I think they can
win out after that, including getting a victories at South Bend and Georgia
Tech. The cougars will have a solid year, it will just take a bit to get it
together. I think this team will be similar to the 2006 squad under Bronco.
Two tough road losses early in the season, but then finishing strong with 10+
Thank you for that detailed analysis, Naval Vet.Now maybe you can
analyze why Bronco has been able to finish in the Top 25 FIVE of the last six
years, including THREE Top 15 finishes, while wunderkind Kyle with all of his
"big" wins, has only been able to crack the Top 25 THREE times,
including only ONE Top 15 finish.Take you time; if you're
objective, you'll eventually be able to figure it out.
Naval vetCould you break down last year's Colorado game with
the Utes while you are at it?
Naval Lint is one of the biggest fans of BYU I have ever seen. He will spend all
his spare time reading and studying anything BYU. I am beginning to think that
he may be locked up somewhere and just can't get out into the world. He
just can't get over hate. This is just a perfect example of BYU fans
concentrating on their team and the many, many ute fans who brag about being in
the mighty pac whatever but have a Peter Pan syndrome, they just can't
leave the past and are forever going to be little kids reliving their Jr. High
Looking forward to Fall camp starting this week so we can read some real
stories. I don't think there's much to the "trends" in
college because each year is a new team.BYU has the chance for a
great year. I think our defense could be the best it's ever been. I
don't think any team will blow us out, because Van Noy and company will
give the offense many chances to succeed.On offense, there are
question marks. Will Nelson be able to stay healthy and deliver consistent,
accurate passes? He has three outstanding receivers in Hoffman, Apo and
Falslev. WR are probably the only position without question marks. Will one or
two of the Tight Ends step up and deliver crushing blocks for the running game
and soft hands on passing downs? With Quezada gone, will Alisa be able to carry
the load and be an every down back? Will Foote or Hine or Jamaal step up and
make an impact on the running game? Will Pritchard stay healthy and play as
well as Bronco says he can? How will the OL hold up? And finally, can BYU keep
their helmets on?
Win or lose BYU still commands the attention of all kinds. They are the focal
point of football in the state of Utah.
Naval Vet I am also impressed with your statistics. Here is another statistic of
interest. On July 23 two stories appeared in the DesNews one about
the Ute’s John White. The comments to that story included ONE comment from
a BYU fan (a complimentary one). The other story was about BYU's scheduling
Wisconsin to which there were over 60 comments posted by UTE fans (all that I
read were derogatory).
Wow thanks for spending all that time on breaking down BYU's wins Naval
Vet. It's even more interesting that such a weak team as your insinuating
has finished in the top 25 more times than your stunningly dominant team. And
spare me that the u plays or beats more better teams than BYU does, because you
know there is no argument there. The u smoked the cougs last year, spend your
time on that since that's all you have.
It's clear that the slow start vs. fast finish the Indy-WACers have been
experiencing over these past 7 yrs is due front loaded schedules vs. good teams,
and followed up by embarrassingly weak SOS. Bronco's 15-13 record in his
first 4 games really should be viewed more closely. For example, 2 of those
wins were vs. FCS teams (E. Illinois and No. Iowa). Versus FBS opposition,
Bronco is really 13-13.Of his 13 wins (vs. FBS competition), his
opponents posted a collective record of 59-101, or .369. That average is
actually quite similar to their total postseason record. Coincidence? I
don't think so. Only 4 of those teams posted winning records, and only 5
were from BCS conferences.Of his 13 losses, his opponents posted a
collective record of 112-56, or .667. Not surprisingly, nearly 62% of those
losses came vs. BCS schools. With Wash. St, Utah, Ore. St, Ga. Tech,
and Notre Dame on the Y's schedule, the cougs 38% W/L percentage should
statistically net them 1.9 wins.
BYU does take the Utah game serious. Just don't have the horses to hang
Beat Washington State in week 1 and I like our chances of going 3-0, though
beating Boise the week following Utah won't be an easy task. I hope Bronco
takes this game as seriously as Utah does and uses week 2 to start preparing for
Beat Washington State in week 1 and I will like our chances of going 3-0, but
beating Boise State in week 4 won't be easy. I seriously hope though that
after week 1, that Bronco has the team use both weeks to prepare for Utah and
take this game as seriously as Utah does.