I moved from the middle of somewhere, Los Angeles, to Utah, because it still is,
for the time being, the middle of nowhere. I did a Church mission in England,
spending time in London. Definition of London, Los Angeles, New Your City, ect.
Nice places to visit, wouldn't want to live there, even if I had the
millions of dollars it takes to live there like I can live here on much less.
One thing I did not remember about the Brits was their being so thin skinned. I
wonder what has brought that on? I mean if Mitt insulted them it was a 1 on a
scale of 10. Usually the Brits I knew would gladly get into a battle of wits
all for the fun of it. Now they cry to their PM and the newspapers go nuts.
Why didn't they do that when our insult of a world leader known as
President Obama, sent back the bust of the man I think is possibly the greatest
figure of the 20th Century. Namely, Winston Churchill? I guess England has
gone too Euro in the intervening years since I was there. Sad.
The Brits need to remember that Romney pulled off the Olympics RIGHT after 9/11.
If you remember, the games were almost called off, but SLC pulled it off anyway!
Plus, Romney didn't say anything that the British media themselves
weren't saying all along.
A stiff Upper Lip and Thin Skinned too?Don't worry our British
friends, Cameron and the Wacky Mayor of London....America will still
be there for you, the next time your little Island (abt. the size of the State
of Utah) again needs to be protected and freed from your enemies.We
will once again, send our young men and women from the "Middle of
Nowhere", in the Prime of Their Lives, to risk life and limb, in order to
save your ungrateful souls.And like 70 years ago, many will come
home in bags, never be found or simply Memorialized in New Cemeteries on your
own soil.Romney only echoed what the British papers had been saying
for month's now and rest assured hewill restore the 911 Churchill
Bust to it's rightful place, in the Oval Office of the White House! If our Allies are really this touchy, perhaps it's time to just
roll over, we're all doomed!
The middle of no where we're not, but you can see it from here.
You know i felt justified by Herberts and Beckers comments, its not like the
Prime minister, or anyone outside of Utah is going to read and pay attention to
them, but it made me feel a little bit better.
To me it just shows Mitt Romney is not ready for "prime time".
Romney saying that was not diplomatic. It shows that he's not diplomatic
material at all, almost as bad as Obama who said that if Pakistan doesn't
come down hard against the Taliban in Pakistan that he would attack the Taliban
in Pakistan. . . Well, on second thought, it is an easy mistake to
make. We should lighten up on Romney. The wise thing to do when asked a
question like he was asked is to state your opinion about the difficulties and
then comment that the Brits will pull it off. They are nothing if not
Why do our leaders have to get so defensive about this comment? They look like
idiots. Do they not realize that compared to London we ARE in the middle of
nowhere? And that is not a bad thing. The Prime Minister is giving his view of
Utah/SLC from his perspective and he nailed it.
Herbert's comments just demonstrate his grade-school education and
mentality. He probably thinks he's clever, but talking about King George
III? This obsession with old, dead men...
We are in the middle of nowhere. Who cares?
I don't get why people are offended. David Cameron isn't wrong about
his assessment. Salt Lake is a large city in the middle of nowhere. You have to
drive for 5-6 hours to get to another major city (Las Vegas) Heck the population
of London is 8 million and the entire Wasatch Front only has 1.5 million people.
I love Salt Lake, but it's just not the same kind of city as London.
how does Mitt recover?Oh please. This is a non story that you will not
find in British papers today. Lots of obama groupies posting on this one.
So if anyone is getting upset over this, ummmm, didn't the pioneers come to
Utah for the reason that it was kind of a no wheres land? Utah would not be
what it is today if it had not been for the fact that it was not a very
desirable place. Maybe those who think it is the middle of no where are still
reading the 1840's history books, sad that they are not advanced enough to
have updated information. ;)
I was born and raised in one of North America's largest and most vibrant
cities. But I kind of like it out here in the middle of nowhere.
Owl,"Romney's prediction that things can go wrong was
validated when they hoisted the South Korean flag for the North
Koreans....."Utah can take pride that there were no such
embarrassing gaffes for the Salt Lake City Olympics. The worst that happened
there were allegations of bribes paid to the IOC. But all of the indicted were
acquitted and no one did time in the big house.
I was born and raised in SLC. It IS definitely the middle of nowhere, especially
when compared to London. How ridiculous of your governor to join in this silly
exchange. How unfortunate of Romney to not just reply diplomatically when asked
about London's state of readiness. We've seen these questions before
in soft interviews. They weren't looking for a detailed response - just
say: "I'm sure they'll do a great job" and leave it at that.
I agree with others that this was a bad way to start off
Romney's foreign tour and raises questions (along with other negative
comments he's made about Europe, China and Russia) about his ability to
think through his comments about other countries and build bridges. We're
seeing what kind of leader Romney will be...
Romney's prediction that things can go wrong was validated when they
hoisted the South Korean flag for the North Koreans. His statement was to let
the Olympic Committee know that things seldom go perfectly despite good
preparation. As Churchill said, "Keep calm and carry on."
Don't read too much into the PM's comments. You see, they're a
bit geographically challenged in the UK: For example, they don't know the
difference between North and South Korea.
It used to be athletes who trash-talked each other before the contest. Now it
seems to be moving off the field of competition and into the board rooms.
Mitt made a major blunder. I don't know how he will recover from this one.
At the same time it was petty and childish for Herbert and Becker to respond.
This isn't kindergarten guys! Grow up!
The comment by Mitt Romney and the response by the Press that wants to make
everything Mitt says a national and international incidents shows the world,
they don't care about substance but politics. On September 11,
2001, Mitt Romney had a big responsibility for the Olympics and the safety and
security of all people, foreign and domestic. He didn't just have the
Olympics, he had national security to worry about. The United States of America
isn't just the City of Salt Lake City, Utah and the Olympics were a
potential for a national incident that would be international in a micro second.
Remember the Olympics in 1972 in Germany? Where is our President
in defending what the Federal Government, State and Local governments did to
ensure the safety and welfare of our and other people, including government
leaders? Mitt Romney is correct in what and how he said what he
did. For the Prime Minister, who was influenced by what the media said with all
his advisers and public affairs people, was a bad thing to do. He was not
hitting at Mitt Romney, he hitting our country and our President who speaks bad
of mother Britain.
re: Read Headed. The thing is, Romney was still pandering by ticking off
the Brits. They aren't the ones voting for him. He is pandering to his
conservative base in London the same way he was pandering to them at the NAACP.
When your base is rabidly anti-European, nothing could be more pleasing than
appearing critical and unpopular in Europe.
It was a very unfortunate and visceral comment made by someone under a lot of
pressure from his home team to strike back. Of course, Mr. Cameron at least had
the decency not to say it while actually in Salt Lake City. The same could not
be said of Romney's mean spirited jab, made in the heart of a city that has
just spent seven years and untold billions in preparation expenses. To
paraphrase Carl Lewis, "some Americans should not be allowed out, and Romney
is one of them."
British Prime Minister David Cameron probably doesn't understand that Mitt
Romney isn't even from Utah, although he did come here to rescue our
Olympics.I felt embarrassed for Mitt Romney for his dumb 'slip
of the tongue'. The British Prime Minister clearly felt slighted, he had a
chance to be the better man but he choose the lower road. Now I also embarrassed
for him, even more so, because he said what he had ample opportunity to weigh
his words before speaking.
Re: Pagan Salt Lake City, UT"If Romney can offend one of our longest
allies with such ease..."A tempest in a teapot.Romney will be warmly received in Poland. Unlike Obama he won't refer to
"Polish death camps".
we ARE in the millde of nowhere. So what's the big deal?Pagan,I'd rather have a president who can throw a friendly barb at
an allie than one who appeases despots and tyrants and throws away tacticle and
intelligence advantages for political gains at home.
@Red Headed Stranger - That's just it. Romney doesn't understand when
to be candid and when to be equivocal. When asked directly about HIS policies
and what HE will do, he equivocates. When asked about the efforts of OTHERS in
what should be one of the most proud moments for OTHERS, he insults. Thatcher understood this, which is why she talked about the lovely mountains.
Can you imagine her providing criticism of her hosts as Romney did?In your words - Do you reserve the right to praise Romney no matter what he
says, you know by always taking his side?
Didn't I read somewhere that the GOLD mined in UTAH was being used for the
medals that are to be awarded in the Olympics?Not sure about the
silver and bronze medals but hey they could be from UTAH as well.It's funny how a few words can get so blown out of proportion. Must be a
slow news day over there.
Perhaps not exactly the "middle of nowhere", but certainly not the
economic and social center of the United States. Perhaps a few levels above
Alaska, Nevada, Wyoming, Montana, and Idaho but well below most other states.
And nowhere near any of the Eastern Seaboard, California and Washington, and, of
course, Texas.Perhaps the British press should have said
"backwater" along with the rest of the South! Truth be told, it is the
only Southern state north of the Mason-Dixon line!
Pagan,make up your mind. What part of what Romney said wasn't
true? Many people say that Romney is a "pleaser" and just says what he
thinks others want to hear so he can get elected. So, when he forthrightly
answers a question he gets hammered. Europeans are already primed (they went
gaga for Obama) to be contentions towards Romney. So make up your mind, does he
just pander to his audience, or is he a straight talker? Or do you just reserve
the right to criticize him no matter what he says, by always taking the
opposite. By the way, I think Romney knows how to run an Olympics, because he
has, you know, already done one.People get offended when they choose
to be offended. Europeans don't like to be unfavorably compared to
Americans; I KNOW, I am married to one and lived in two separate European
capitals, not on my mission. My wife after a decade of living here is disgusted
with her former country and has fully and happily embraced her Americanism. I
wish more Americans would. Too bad Cameron lacks the grace of
Thatcher. At BYU she spoke about the lovely mountains.
It's been interesting to note the immediate rush to condemn someone
(Cameron) who sought to defend his country against what did seem very much like
a slap at Britain's security. It's true surely that a town like Salt
Lake City with maybe a third of a million population would be easier to secure
than a city which, the last time I took any notice, had in excess of ten
millions population.There are other reasons too: I think that
it's much easier to commit an act of terrorism in the relative anonymity of
a megalopolis full of bustle and confusion, than in a smaller town.I
think Mitt was better off when he stressed the common Anglo-Saxon heritage of
England and the United States. Unfortunately I think there was a little too
much of the Mitt who sees all "foreigners" as individuals to whom one
does not apologize, manifest here not only in Mitt but in Governor Herbert and
those other partisans; those who daily serve up that goop that passes as news
with all their "shoot from the hip" reactions that today, as so often,
made a mockery of objectivity and "journalitic integrity".
What is everyone so upset about! Gather some info before being so embarrassed.
TheTimes columnist had it right. He didn't say anything that wasn't
true. like gbo stated above. So thin skinned and it wasn't even a
controversial opinion, it was the truth! I think it shows nothing but
insecurity and cowardly attitudes to not be able to admit real shortfalls. Mitt
has nothing to apologize for, and I won't even be voting for him!
We're all so thin skinned and easily offended. Chill! Just not a big
A couple of comments. I've lived in both SLC and London, and SLC is a blip
on the map compared to London. That's not necessarily a bad thing but for
Herbert and others to take offense to a comment that most Americans also agree
with demonstrates either lack of understanding or immaturity. I love both
cities but they are very different -- London being one of the most amazing and
vibrant cities in the world and SLC being one of the best for outdoors and
peaceful living.I really want to support Romney but there are just
so many things he says or does that I do not understand and can only assume
indicate he is trying to paint himself in a better light. If he did such a
great job with the Olympics in SLC, why be critical of the efforts of others,
particularly on the most national stage in the world. It boggles the mind the
things this man says and does sometimes.
If Romney can offend one of our longest allies with such ease... I
dread to think if Mitt Romney had to talk to China or Iran as a President.