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Published: Thursday, July 26 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"retaining a title and remaining a shareholder in an organization is entirely appropriate, even when you step away from day-to-day operations"

The SEC filings show that Romney was the CEO and "sole shareholder" of Bain. That's quite different from what you describe.

Esquire
Springville, UT

Romney has been deceitful, but I guess in your partisanship, ethics go out the window.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

Of course he was working on the Olympics. That's not the issue.

The issue is was Romney profiting from Bain when the company was pioneering the off-shoring of jobs. Again, this is all legal and appropriate for business to shun American workers for profit. We're told by business schools that this is the appropriate role of businesses and "job creators."

The issue is will Americans in mass tolerate an American President who has dodged taxes and shipped jobs overseas. I think not.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

Let me just add to the above that DN the issue is not wheter Romneys' wealth. It's how he got it and what he's done with it. It's also not whether what he has done is legal (although, even some of his own advisors admit that some of his actions have just never been tested). The question is first of all are his actions those of someone "who knows how to create jobs", or are they just the actions of someone who knows how to create wealth..for himself? Secondly the question is do the American people who by in large make wages and pay taxes on those wages, want a President who touts a love for country and American excetionalism yet engages the laws of numerous foreign countries to avoid paying taxes..the very monies needed to run the country he loves, and enrich himself personally?

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

Just in... Romney's man answered this question "He retired in 2002 retroactive to 1999."
No kidding, this is his newest excuse.

Obama doesn't have to make up lies, Romney is
incapable of owning up to anything he's ever done,
Egotistical, Extreme wealth, and No permanent stance on anything,
makes him a hard "horse" to back.

Pagan
Salt Lake City, UT

First Romney TV ad blasts Obama - Mercedes White - Deseret news - 11/22/11

Critics say the ad uses some of the Obama clips out of context, especially when the president says "If we keep talking about the economy, we are going to lose." It appears that in that instance, Obama was quoting an aide to then-2008 opponent Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., who had used those words anonymously in an interview.

That might be beside the point though because....

a bit of reality
Shawnee Mission, KS

The accusation that Romney committed a felony is rhetorical. The point is to emphasize that while Romney was working on the Olympics, he was in fact still the CEO of Bain (Does anybody think his tax returns would show that Bain didn't pay Romney those years?).

Even if he didn't personally orchestrate the outsourcing that Bain implemented, he profited from it. Surely the decisions his subordinates made were the ones they thought Romney would have made he been running things day-to-day. Since he was in fact the CEO, he ought to take responsibility for what his company did. Romney’s failure to do so is the preceding cynical exercise in partisan politics.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

When Romney ran for governor he was challenged about not living in the state and thus not being a legal resident. This would have disqualified him from being governor. He testified under oath, that, while running the Olympics, he frequently returned to Mass. to attend board meetings. The ones he was not able to attend in person, he attended via conference call. Even his campaign says that he retired in 2002, retroactive to 1999.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Deseret News:
"The president has claimed that Romney either lied to the SEC, which would constitute a felony, or that he really was still working for Bain during those critical three years."

Did Obama say that? Or did someone on his campaign staff say that?

Fact:
Stephanie Cutter (deputy campaign manager)
“Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony, "Or, he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,” including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

To Deseret News,
Maybe you should report it accurately when you are calling someone to task for misrepresentation.

We can then debate to what extent people are responsible for the words/deeds/business decisions when they hold a position of authority.

Shelama
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Rarely are campaign attacks other than partisan politics. Nobody exemplifies this better than the Romney campaign. Romney might be well ahead in the polls had his campaign gone with counter-intuitive honesty: the financial crisis and recession was such that all presidential action was doomed to disappointment or failure (with the possible exception of a larger stimulus and a bipartisan congress more interested in America than partisan politics); that the recession was doomed to as long and as bad as it has regardless; and that Romney has no experience creating the demand and the spending that drives job growth. And that political honesty, like all honesty, is a moral issue.

For some reason, transparent political dishonesty wears worse on some people than others. The Republican candidate should be well ahead in the polls even now and a slam dunk in November.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

"The president has claimed that Romney either lied to the SEC, which would constitute a felony, or that he really was still working for Bain during those critical three years."

Did Obama say that? Or did someone on his campaign staff say that?

Fact:
Stephanie Cutter (deputy campaign manager)
“Either Mitt Romney, through his own words and his own signature, was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the SEC, which is a felony, "Or, he was misrepresenting his position at Bain to the American people to avoid responsibility for some of the consequences of his investments,” including layoffs and the outsourcing of jobs.

To Deseret News,
Maybe you should report it accurately when you are calling someone to task for misrepresentation.

liberal larry
salt lake City, utah

The real issue here is whether Mitt had a hand in running Bain during the the years 1999 to 2002. In some circles Mitt has gained a reputation for playing fast and loose with the facts. Obama is playing on this perception by pointing out factual discrepancies in Romney's narrative, and it is up to the voting public to decide if these details are important.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Re Truthseeker are you really suggesting that the President is not responsible for the accusations of his Deputy Campaign Manager? Romney relinquished day to day operational control of Bain in 1999. He made money off of Bain operations after that, and to promote and provide a transition period for the Company he retain majority share control and title through 2002. He did not violate laws, but he did maneuver around laws to accomplish his objectives. So, he was not directly in charge of the decisions to out source the jobs, but did profit to extent the decisions were profitably from the Bain out sourcing decisions. Making this an issue shows those making the accusations(this Administration and some posting hereon) either cynicism and complete partisanship in the vain attempt to retain power or the complete naivety of how business works. Appropriate outsourcing preserves companies to continue to pay taxes, preserves and adds jobs that are competitive to be performed in the US, and allows the Company to be profitable against the open market competition from all over the world that is allowed in this country, which reduces the price of goods and services that Americans buy.

Mad Hatter
Provo, UT

Yes, we all understand. The Deseret News supports Romney. We get it.

VST
Bountiful, UT

All this nonsense is NOT about who is running Bain Capital and when did Romney leave, how Romney manages his personal finances (mostly in a blind trust by the way), or releasing tax returns, etc. Those are distractions for the voters thrown up by the Obama campaign (and their surrogates in the lame-stream media), so that the voters supposedly will not focus on the real issue – the big elephant in the room.

"It is the ECONOMY, stupid!"

They cannot run on their own record (a mere 80,000 new jobs in June, 8.2% unemployment with 23 million unemployed or underemployed, and a GDP growth rate hovering around 2.0%). Their grand experiment of using Keynesian economics (the $800 billion in stimulus expenditures) to have the Government "grow" the economy out of the doldrums failed miserably.

They have nothing else to run on, except distractions.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Stephanie Cutter speaking with Wolf Blitzer:

“we’re not accusing Mitt Romney of committing a crime here; we’re actually saying that he’s misrepresenting his time at Bain to the American people.” She cited reports from independent news sources showing Romney received a salary and appeared in promotional materials for Bain during a time he has described as being his leave of absence from the company. His explanation, she added, simply “doesn’t add up.”

The Boston Herald on February 12, 1999 reported, "Romney said he will stay on as a part-timer with Bain, providing input on investment and key personnel decisions." A Bain press release issued on July 19, 1999, noted that Romney was "currently on a part-time leave of absence"—and quoted Romney speaking for Bain Capital.

So which Romney statement is accurate? Did he "retire" from Bain in 1999 or was it a part-time leave of absence?

Since the Romney campaign and Bain have declined to provide documentary materials that could shed light on the extent of Romney's role after 1999, we are left with Romney and Bain's contradictory statements.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

So VST, 80,000 jobs is a "mere" and Keyensian economics is a grand experiement. Just how have the countries done that tried cost cutting and deficit reduction alone..headline yesterday..England has slipped back into a worse recession than first thought. That means no economic growth, and no jobs. We look pretty good and quite brilliant compared to a second recession.

RedShirt
USS Enterprise, UT

I have to laugh here. People are complaining about Romney making money when his company sent jobs overseas, yet I would imagine that many of those same complainers are invested in mutual funds which have stocks in foreign companies. Why is it ok for you liberals to make money while shipping jobs overseas, yet it isn't ok for Romney?

Also, why are you not complaining that Obama used stimulus funds on many companies that outsourced jobs overseas? You only complain about Romney doing this, yet are silent on Obama?

VST
Bountiful, UT

@ pragmatistferlife,

Where did I say we need (right now) to cut costs and reduce the deficit? I never said that.

What I am saying is spending more money by the government (in the name of stimulating the economy) did not work then, and will not work now. It is the private sector that needs incentives to invest and stimulate the growth of this economy. The government needs to get out of their way and let it happen.

As for how we are looking right now, we are NOT looking good – this economy has stalled. Just yesterday there was strong concern that the upcoming release of the GDP quarterly growth rate (April-June) could be very close to zero percent. Can you say "double dip recession?"

If this is Obama's "vision" of the hope and change he promised in 2008, I can do without it.

Esquire
Springville, UT

"Let's assess. So far on his three-nation tour, Romney has taken heat for criticizing Britain's ability to host the games, scheduling posh fundraisers with Barclays executives tied to the LIBOR interest-rate fixing scandal, and for a racist boast made by an adviser that Romney shares more of an "Anglo-Saxon heritage" with Great Britain than does President Obama. Do you think this trip will prove Romney has the foreign policy chops to be president?"

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