@NavalVet "[The U was] big enough to get in ourselves, but not big enough to
drag [BYU] in on our 2-time BCS bowl busting coattails"Lol,
again, like U said, the PAC 10 WANTED Texas and OU. They didn't want U,
they had to settle for U when the big boys said no. The fact that the U had to
get a contract with KJZZ just to air their games tells U how much the PAC 12 and
their TV networks value U.The biggest slap in the fact, however, was
when your biggest game of the season last year, USC (your first EVER PAC 12
game) was relegated to MWC Lite (Versus), while the mighty Colorado Buffaloes
got to play the Trojans on ESPN prime-time Saturday night.In
conclusion, your 'two-time BCS bustin'' team got into the PAC 12
because the PAC 12 had to settle for U, and they wanted to get into the SLC TV
market with a team that had no religious affiliation. However, U are now stuck
in the high chair at the 'big boy' table, playing on regional
television and running your football facilities out of a trailer park.Congrats :)
@NavalVet "Once the Pac-12 felt they could get Texas and Oklahoma without
OSU, they moved to drop them for the invitation list."Can you
list any credible source that supports that statement? I've checked
through ESPN's articles about the initial PAC 10 expansion and the
subsequent PAC 12 expansion and BOTH times ESPN listed Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and
Texas Tech as expansion candidates. No where did I find mention of Kansas
taking OSU's place as a possible entrant into the PAC 12.In
fact, the only articles I found on ESPN regarding Kansas and expansion was how
Kansas was one of the remaining universities in the Big 12 getting left out of
the expansion process who were trying to come up with a plan to get Texas and OU
to stay.Of course the PAC 10/12 wanted Texas and Oklahoma. They
were the prize. The didn't want OSU, or Texas Tech, or Utah for that
matter.So again, the fact that the PAC 12 TWICE considered expanding
to include OSU suggests that the whole 'research institute'
requirement by the PAC 12 is completely bogus.Go Cougars!
BYU better take care of business next year, or they'll end up being the
"Northern Colorado" for Notre Dame and Wisconcin in 2013
truecoug1:"...the mere fact that the PAC 12 was at one point (if
not the whole time) considering inviting Oklahoma St demonstrates that they were
willing to allow a school that was 'not-up-to-par' academically into
their conference."Again...they wanted TEXAS and OKLAHOMA. They
didn't want OSU. Once the Pac-12 felt they could get Texas and Oklahoma
without OSU, they moved to drop them for the invitation list. As
for the Indy-WACers, neither Texas nor Oklahoma was insisting the Pac-12 bring
you along. Athletically, Tx. Tech and OSU had big enough brothers to be dragged
along for the ride, but the bottom line here is, without their big brothers, Tx.
Tech and Okla. St. don't get an invite. With Texas and Oklahoma, their
invitation is tentative and begrudgingly.Unfortunately for the Y,
Utah isn't as big as Texas or Oklahoma, so we couldn't do so likewise
for you. We were big enough to get in ourselves, but not big enough to drag you
in on our 2-time BCS bowl busting coattails.But at least you could
get yourselves back into the WAC. For now anyways.
@NavalVetInteresting info, thanks for the heads-up. I'd be
interested to know the criteria for being what the PAC 12 would call a
'research' school. Regardless of that info, the mere fact that the
PAC 12 was at one point (if not the whole time) considering inviting Oklahoma St
demonstrates that they were willing to allow a school that was
'not-up-to-par' academically into their conference.Baylor
and BYU? Not even considered. Pretty apparent from the Wilner article and from
the mere fact of not being considered that religion was the biggest factor in
the Bears and Cougars not being considered by the PAC 12.Like I said
before, not really a big deal, but if U think religion had nothing to do with
it, U are wrong. It's all moot, I love where BYU is and
I'm sure U love where Utah is, so everyone's happy.Interesting about Navy. I'm with U, we're an Air Force family, but
my loyalty's first to BYU, then the AFA.Go U High Chairies!Go Cougars!
truecoug1:On an academic and research basis, Kansas is a tier-1
research school, and one who ALSO is a member of the AAU. Kansas and Oklahoma
St. are NOT on the same footing. I wouldn't even put OSU on the same
(research) level as the Indy-WACers. And for what it's worth, Baylor (a
religious school notwithstanding) is NOT a tier-1 research institution either,
and thus, is NOT Pac-12 worthy. Just like the Y.Academically, the
only Big 12 schools that fit the Pac-12's model were Texas, Texas A&M,
Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa St (all AAU schools), and to a somewhat
lesser extent, Oklahoma and Kansas St. Not Baylor, not Tx. Tech, and DEFINITELY
not Oklahoma St.As for a Utah-Navy series....I'm not a Naval
Academy alumnus. Just like during the 2007 Poinsettia Bowl, I root for my alma
mater. My loyalties lie in Utah FIRST, Pac-12 SECOND, and Annapolis a very
close THIRD**.Go Middies!GO UTES!!!**
Although, back when the Utes were in the MWC, I could never quite bring myself
to root for AFA over USNA.
@NavalVet continuedBack to the Chip Brown report, regardless of
whether it's true or not, on an academic and research basis, both Oklahoma
St and Kansas are on the same footing as BYU. Gotta love the
hypocrisy.On a completely random note, if Navy and Utah schedule a
series, who will U be cheering for?Just curious.Go
@NavalVet "...which is stipulating that his whole point thereafter is an
OPINION."That's not what I gathered from the article,
considering the fact that he prefaced his points by referring to his PAC 12
sources and what he had gathered from talking with them and sources outside of
the PAC 12. HIs bullet points were based on these discussions and, as far as he
could tell, the bullet points he gave were the primary reasons for not inviting
BYU.It's pretty clear that the PAC 12 is discriminatory against
religious schools, not just BYU. Baylor got snubbed, according to reports,
because of religious affiliation.Not that big of a deal, I love
where BYU is now. I just think it's funny that U refuse to believe that
religion had anything to do with their decision. It had everything to do with
it.As for the Ok St and Chip Brown report...wasn't Chip Brown
the guy who reported that Notre Dame's olympic sports would be joining the
Big 12 soon, only to have ND's athletic director come out and say that was
completely untrue?Huh...must've been his 'opinion'
B C (cont.):Now if you were REALLY interested in Utah's journey
to the Pac-12, you could Google "ESPN Graham Watson MWC plays waiting game
with Utah June 15 2010 2:02 PM ET". There, you will find out how far back
Utah was on the Pac-10's discussion table."...those who
followed Colorado’s journey to the Pac-10 know that that deal had been in
the works since October, which makes this quote from Utah spokesperson Liz Abel
regarding Pac-10 expansion interesting: 'Right now for us, it's the
same as it was eight months ago,' she said."P.S.: As this
article was written in Jun. 2010, 8 months prior would have been Oct. 2009. Can
you find ANY sources that link Oklahoma, OSU, or Texas Tech to the
Pac-10’s wish list prior to April 2010? Nope.Utah
was part of the plan all along.
B C (cont.):As for Tx. Tech, the Red Raiders had already been
mentioned by the BigTen as “the Tech problem”. The BigTen had their
eye on Texas too, but Texas insisted on bringing their little brothers with them
if they should join their conference. Tech didn’t meet the BigTen’s
academic profile since they weren’t an AAU school. The Pac-12 prefers
adding AAU schools as well, but are not as dogmatic as their Midwestern rivals
in that requirement.It’s clear the Pac-12 knew that if it were
to get Texas, they’d have to deal with the same push-back the BigTen
needed to negotiate. Tech didn’t meet the Pac-10’s academic
profile, but Texas did, and they really wanted Texas. Without Texas, Tech
receives no invitation.
B C:"LOL at your laughably ridiculous revisionist
history."Nope. See for yourself. Just Google "Chip Brown
Orangebloods How the Big 12 came back to life June 15 2010"Quotes from that article:"Other than its somewhat foggy math
that a 16-team Pac-10 could readily get to $20 million in TV revenue per school,
they wanted to substitute Kansas for Oklahoma State late in the process,
according to multiple sources in the Big 12."See? OSU is on its
way OUT!"Scott and Weiberg were looking to dump Oklahoma State
in favor of Kansas. If A&M was a no-show, the Pac-10 would add Utah."See? Utah was IN. The article also stated A&M had an SEC lean
almost from the beginning. A&M wasn't going to happen."...now they were dealing with a wheeler-dealer Pac-10 commissioner who
wanted to sub out Boone Pickens' Cowboys for the chance to grab new
households in Kansas, Missouri and middle America...Dodds had given Oklahoma
State his word they would be part of the group headed west. Now, the Pac-10
wanted to do some late rearranging."
Naval Vet"Edge: Michigan"Historically yes, but
during the Bronco/Kyle, not even close.Wisconsin2005 10-3
#15/#15 2006 12-1 #7/#5 2007 9-4 #24/#212008 7-6 unranked2009 10-3 #16/#162010 11-2 #7/#8 B1G Conference Co-Champions2011
11-3 #10/#11 B1G Conference ChampionsVersus Michigan 4-2Michigan2005 7-5 unranked2006 11-2 #8/#92007 9-4 #18/#192008 3-9 unranked2009 5-7 unranked2010 7-6 unranked2011 11-2
#12/#9Versus Wisconsin 2-4Wisconsin Overall 60-22(73%) SIX Top
25 Finishes, 2 B1G Championships Michigan Overall 53-35(60%) three Top 25
Finishes, ZERO B1G ChampionshipsB1G Edge: Wisconsin!Wisconsin > Michigan
Good luck BYU - I sincerely hope you do well. If I were a BYU fan, I would be
very happy to split the series. Wisconsin is a fundamentally sound program. I
have watched them get better for the past 10+ years.I believe
Wisonsin is a better program than Michigan right now.
Naval Vet"The Pac-10 didn't want Oklahoma St. (or Texas
Tech either). They wanted Texas and Oklahoma (particularly Texas). TT and OSU
were just the baggage the Pac-10 thought they'd need to carry along in
order to grab the other 2."LOL at your laughably ridiculous
revisionist history.Scott wanted the ENTIRE Big 12 South in order to
fulfill his dream of creating the first 16-team super conference. When the
religious bigots of the PAC 10 objected to private religiously based Baylor
being included, Scott went to Plan B, and invited Colorado to shut Baylor out of
the the PAC 10 - Big 12 South merger. Texas A&M then decided they'd had
enough of living in the shadow of Texas and scuttled the merger just before it
was completed. With Colorado already in the fold, Scott desperately needed
another team as filler so the PAC 10 could start a championship game - enter
Utah, as Plan C.
truecoug1:"The other talks about BYU not being a research
institute, which is funny since Ok St is definitely not a research institute and
the PAC 12 was all set to invite them into the fold."The Pac-10
didn't want Oklahoma St. (or Texas Tech either). They wanted Texas and
Oklahoma (particularly Texas). TT and OSU were just the baggage the Pac-10
thought they'd need to carry along in order to grab the other 2. And if
you followed Chip Brown's reporting, in the 11th hour, prior to Texas
deciding to remain in the Big 12, Oklahoma St. was getting nudged out of the
deal anyway. So it looks like your point is that you have no point. Typical.
truecoug1:I checked out that Jon Wilner article, and he did make
mention of no-Sunday play, but he precluded all that talk with:"...best I can tell..."...which is stipulating that his
whole point thereafter is an OPINION. Not fact. A "fact" would have
been had Wilner reported, "The presidents and chancellors of the secular
Pac-10 schools were very clear when they stated, 'No way we're
admitting a religious school.'"But of course that
didn't happen, so thus far, we still have no evidence of religious
discrimination.What DID happen however -- although not specifically
"quoted" in THAT article**, was Larry Scott, and the Pac-10 presidents
were looking for someone who would fit their academic, athletic, and cultural
atmosphere. The U fit; the Y didn't.** While not
"quoting" Pac-12 officials, Wilner speculated "The Pac-10 CEOs
consider Utah to be a much better academically". That was Wilner's nod
to Utah being a tier-1 research institution, whereas their little brother in
WACistan is NOT.
Chris BSalt Lake City, UT,The utes will be the Wyoming of the
conference, and envy will not change that.
@ truecoug1,The PAC really wanted BYu, true? Bwahahahahaha!
@NavalVet continuedAs for your claim that Utah was invited because
of their record against BCS schools...U think that, bro, if it gives U
comfort.Utah's record (2004-2010): 71-20, 2 BCS bowl
appearancesColorado's record (2004-2010): 36-51, 0 BCS bowl
appearancesAnd yet, the Buffaloes also got invited into the Mighty
PAC 12. And not only did they get invited, they were featured prime time on
ESPN against USC, while the PAC 12 relegated the mighty BCS-bustin' Utes in
your FIRST EVER PAC 12 game with USC to MWC Lite (Versus). U had to get a
contract with KJZZ just to air your games for your fans, since U tied Oregon St
with the fewest amount of PAC 12 games aired by their networks.U got
invited to the 'big boys' table and then got stuck in the high chair
and told not to make waves. And U run your football facilities out
of a trailer park, so I really can't take anything U say seriously.But it's cute that U and other Ute 'fans' think U are
relevant now, since no one else in your conference thinks U are.
Congrats to the Cougars for scheduling such top tier opponents. It really has
been an amazing couple of years to see the local teams (including Utah State)
take it up a notch in almost every way. Good luck in 2013 with that difficult
schedule! I guess if you want to earn national respect you need to be willing
to schedule those types of games. Hopefully it won't end up biting you,
i.e. losing half your 'big' games on national television.
@NavalVet "Well if that's true, then I suppose you could provide us
with a Google search engine keyword that will link us to and article that
substantiates your position."Check out "PAC 10 expansion
revisiting byu". First link, Jon Wilner's article.Good
article. Three of the five points he listed for why the PAC 10 wouldn't
take BYU are religious based (and this is from his conversation with PAC 10
chancellors, AD's, etc.). The other two points are actually pretty funny.
One talks about how the TV revenue wouldn't be a huge jump
since most of the BYU fan base already lives in the PAC 12 area (which clearly
wasn't a factor, since ALL of Utah's fan base lives in the PAC 12 area
and the U had to get a contract with KJZZ just to air their games because the
PAC 12 networks clearly felt that the U wasn't worth televising last
year).The other talks about BYU not being a research institute,
which is funny since Ok St is definitely not a research institute and the PAC 12
was all set to invite them into the fold.
UH Alum"Utah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause injuries.
Utah is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYU ever again sir."The Utes are full of whiney excuses for being too cowardly to play the
@ColoradoCougarFan,Utah seats 48k+ and the tickets are 3x more
expensive than at BYu. Plus, Utah is sold out again, every game in
2012..........the ONLY game BYu sold out last year was against Utah. Just
goooooooo away BYu.
What surprises me most about Utah Fans is that a couple of years ago they bagged
on BYU weak schedule. BYU then adds quality school games with Wisconsin, Boise
State (which I think will be weaker now), Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech and
others in years later. UofU are now part of a weak PAC12. (especially now that
USC was busted for violations.)I for one am glad that BYU left the
very weak MWC and didn't join the weak Big East (football). Let's be
honest Big East is great for basketball but football? Give me a break.
Wisconsin Randall stadium seats 85,000, Notre Dame stadium seats 80,000,
University of Texas 90,000, Georgia Tech seats 55,000. UofU only seats 40,000.
BYU will play live in front of more people next year than they ever
have played before. BYU will be on ESPN more than 99% of all other College
Teams. I'm one happy Cougar Fan. You Utah fans can keep your weak
conference and poor attendance. Even if BYU doesn't win 10 games next
year... I'm happy they are at least competing with the best football
Utah-Hawaii AlumUtah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause
injuries. Utah is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYu ever again
sir.No question, down 30 helmet to helmet they get up and do thier
dance, pound chests, high fives going around, acting like they just made the
greatest tackle in the history of the sport. Not going to hurt me if we never
play again and I have seen over 40 of them. I do have to say with the U passing
them by so much that I think byu will be in the same sentance with Colorado
State, Wyoming and UNLV. That would be a sure win game and where we will be we
won't have to give them a 1 and 1. Like I keep saying they are still
nothing playing for nothing.
CordonBleu:"...the primary reason BYU wasn't invited to the
Big 12, and religious bigotry was the ONLY reason BYU wasn't invited to the
PAC 12."Well if that's true, then I suppose you could
provide us with a Google search engine keyword that will link us to and article
that substantiates your position. If you (or any OTHER cougar fans out there)
can NOT do so, then I'll accept your silence as a tacit admission that your
claim is just another one of those factless, folklored apologist versions
motivated by the fear and envy of the success your big brother on the Hill had
been experiencing.Good luck!
"Wisconsin is strongly suggesting that they'd like to see the series
extended beyond the current two-game agreement."They said the
same thing about UNLV & Fresno State. They need to maintain guaranteed wins
against patsies to prep for B1G play.54-10 on byu's
homefield....Easiest win UTAH had last year.
I hope they find a padded cell for Flinching. That was an amazing read for sure.
@ Flinching,Can I serve you another drink? That has to be the most
bizarre post that I've ever read.
@ MLH,Utah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause injuries. Utah
is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYu ever again sir.
SalemiteThe hyperbole about Rice-Eccles from BYU fans is deafening.
The fact is that the vast majority of people who go to Utah games are just like
the people who attend BYU games; they just wear a different color shirt.
However BYU fans seem to have adopted the idea that being inside RES is the same
as being in an old western saloon.I agree with you that the class
shown by BIG schools to their opponents is off the charts, but you are bashing
Utah for things that BYU doesn't do either. Also don't act like there
are/were no intoxicated people in Camp Randall. Wisconsin is a big-time program
with a big-time tailgating tradition.
afrostUtah is terrified to play BYU plain and simple! 7-10, 54-10
last year. Totally shaking in thier boots, time to pass that one on. We miss
two years right now that's all. Your team got entirely worked last year
not even close to being a game. Utah has and will continue to have the more
superior football program, it won't even be close again this year. Who
needs ByU anyway, sure isn't Utah, don't let the door hit you in the
behind the U has passed you by,
EdGradyWho is byu?
Texas made multiple trips to Laramie, Provo is a much better option for them to
Wisconsin will NEVA show up in Provo, Utah.
Wisconsin will never show up in Provo. Nor will Texas after next year. Fans and
media have to stay in SLC.........they don't care to commute to Utah
The fact that Wisconsin had the conference move the Purdue game from 11/9 into
September is a B1G deal! Go Cougs, great scheduling. I guess that 9 game
conference schedule is really going to work out for the PAC10+ as the B1G
pursues other options in scheduling.
I fear that BYU's current direction that for whatever reason seems to be
driving out the best talent won't work over time. I hate to see what is
happening to the program. I attended the last game in Madison and had a great
time. Many of the players from that team would be shown the door today.
Wow. Wisconsin and Notre Dame in November. My only concern now is that BYU is
scheduling too many good teams. Maybe Holmoe needs to look to the FCS ranks to
balance out the schedule. 2013 will be tough with a young team but the schedule
Holmoe has develped in just a few years is amazing.
CO Ute"False Bravado aside let's look at the
situation...There is no return game scheduled (we will see if it happens
in 2014 or becomes a 2 for 1)"Only a BYU-hater could have read
the article and drawn that conclusion. If you were at all objective, you would
have no doubt that not only will there be a return game, Wisconsin is strongly
suggesting that they'd like to see the series extended beyond the current
two-game agreement.Gotta luv all of the jealous spin we constantly
see from the kids on the hill who simply can't accept the fact that
Independence is looking better and better for BYU all the time.
My sister from Salt Lake has a daughter that attends Wisconsin, and she saw them
play UNLV last year. She was in awe at how gracious they were to the Rebels.
The Wisconsin band played their fight song. The fans cheered when the Rebels
walked on the field. They stood on their feet and clapped when the game was
over. Does that happen on the hill in Salt Lake? - - - NOT. My daughter
attended a Ute home game in Salt Lake last year and she said her ears were numb
from all the four letter metaphors at high decibels. She thought it was funny
seeing all the ways you can sneak in, and drink hard liquor under the radar -
such as from a pair of fake binoculars.I'll take the Badgers
over the Utes any day.
navel vet"the [Cougars] were not snubbed by the Pac-12 or the
Big 12 because of the church"You can go on spreading this pure
fabrication if it helps you sleep at night, but the no-Sunday play issue was the
primary reason BYU wasn't invited to the Big 12, and religious bigotry was
the ONLY reason BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12. You can pretend that not
being a heavy research university was a reason, but that's a complete joke.
The PAC 12 was willing to accept with open arms schools from the Big 12 the have
the exact same "research" status as BYU.BYU overall athletic
programs dwarf Utah overall athletic programs - it's not even close.
Guess I'm too late to ask everyone to suspend the spitting contest between
BYU & Utah. This is a great scheduling announcement and I'm amazed at
the 2013 schedule. Anyone still saying BYU went independent so they could play
patsies and pad their schedule just looks silly at this point. Makes me quite
worried about how things will play out with so many Sr's this year,
however. We all know you can't get better if you don't play the tough
games. With the 2013 SOS, BYU should be making great strides. Go Coug's!!
BYU Joe:"...Utes - Admit it - you got a good break but there is
no way that if you had not that you could match what BYU is doing right
now..."I disagree. I believe if the Utes wanted to be just as
irrelevant as our little brother, we could just as easily defected from the MWC,
loaded up our schedules with a bunch of weak WAC cupcakes, and added a patchwork
of one-offs and 2-for-1s with schools from major conferences. We'd also
likely get a smattering of Home-&-Home agreements with those larger schools
as well. Just not with Wisconsin, since they banned playing non-conference
regular season games vs. universities that have native americans as mascots.
That's why they cancelled their Home-&-Home series with the Utes back
in 2001 and 2002. And THAT was back before the MWC started consistently
finishing in the nation's Top-6 conferences in terms of competitiveness.However, we didn't want to be just as irrelevant as our little
brothers. So we opted-in with the Pac-12. Could the cougs have received an
invitation to a relevant conference like their big bros?Nope.
afrost:"Also Wisconsin > Michigan. Big 10 champs last two
years."OR...Sugar Bowl winner > Rose Bowl loser.Edge: Michigan
nwcoug:"Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things
up...if it wasn't for it's church affiliation, BYU would have been in
the Big 12 or Pac 12 back in the 1980's."Uh...speaking of
"making things up", the Indy-WACers were not snubbed by the Pac-12 or
the Big 12 because of the church. That cougar apologist version is rooted in
Ute-envy and cognitive dissonance; not fact. The FACTs are, the Y was NOT the
winningest non-AQ team vs. BCS schools. They weren't even #2. Utah and
TCU held those titles. And Utah and TCU are now in the Pac-12 and the Big 12.
Additionally, unlike Utah and TCU, the Y's record the postseason is beyond
dismal. Losing in the postseason makes a conference look bad."I
am glad the silly BCS designation will be gone soon. Utah fans will have nothing
to claim superiority in the hierarchy of college football over BYU."Wrong! The BCS will be gone, but you'll STILL be a mid-major,
whereas WE will NOT! So we'll still have that superiority claim over you.
DuckhunterThere is no wishful thinking or whining in my post. I was
simply pointing out to nwcoug that the things that make BYU attractive to a BCS
conference are due to things that make BYU ineligible for the PAC-12. Hence the
cake and eating it too comment. Perhaps you should consider the context before
flaming someone who made a completely accurate and non-hateful post...
BYU Joe"To fellow Cougars- truth is Utah is in the Pac and we
are all jealous."There has never been a thing about the
Utah's inclusion to PAC to be jealous of. Please excuse me as I
respectively disagree with your statement.
CO UteTypical jeolous comments from another hill troll.Independence is starting to work out just as Tom Holmoe promised -
patched-together schedules the first couple of years, then a marked improvement
starting in year three.Big name teams coming to Provo, home-and-home
series, October and November games, disproving more and more of the desperate
predictions of doom by the kids on the hill.And now that it's
all starting to fall into place, the only thing left for the naysayers to do is
bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.
I agree with El Chango - except I think it is more like very good football
programs = both getting better. Let the game speak for itself and
then lets move on. All this talk about who played who is getting old -
especially now that we are no longer rivals. And the ongoing battle
about SOS - so lame. To fellow Cougars- truth is Utah is in the Pac
and we are all jealous.To the Utes - Admit it - you got a good break
but there is no way that if you had not that you could match what BYU is doing
right now - now way period. So just admit that BYU is doing a very good job
being Indy and the teams they are playing are impressive -Both
schools have seriously upgraded. By 2015 the November problem will
be solved and BYU will be playing as good a schedule as most. Let
just admit these truths and talk football - not more lame dribble.
54-10Wisconsin in November 2013... Read it and weep.Need
a tissue?What will you complain about next?17-14, 4-5
Please Please Please, Can't we just get along? Utah: Great Football ProgramBYU: Great Football ProgramBoth have accomplished something the other hasn'tBYU:
National Champ, & Heisman Winner, Super Bowl MVPUtah: 2 BCS
Bowls, Pac-10 selection, & #1 pick in NFL draft.Can't we
leave it at that?
@two for flinching"If it wasn't for it's church
affiliation BYU wouldn't have a 65K seat stadium, a national fan base, and
an ESPN deal. You can't have your cake and eat it too."See
my answer to atl above. The wishful thinking of utah "fans" that somehow
the reality of things were different is extremely amusing. You see BYU is what
it is, a large, major university with the backing of a multi million memeber
church. They have an affiliation that makes them a large national draw. it is
simply what it is. Get over it and quit whining about it.
@atl134"If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would
not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like
Utah."Uh....is there an actual point there? The fact is BYU does
have the church affiliation, wishful thinking from utah "fans"
isn't going to change that. You can make the same kind of thoughtless claim
aboiut any other school in the country. Here, let me try.If it
wasn't for being the main university in a state with a huge population
Michigan wouldn't be the draw they are.How's that one? I
could do it again with every school that exists. All of them are the draw they
are because of who they are. utah is a small commuter school in a small state
that has no draw outside of the valley it inhabits. If not for that they might
be some kind of draw. But that is what they are so that is what they are.
ATL"If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not
have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah."Who would want to be like Utah? BYU is THE superior sports program in
the state. Who needs a demotion to mediocrity?Abandon the jealousy
and bitterness in your life... become a Cougar fan today.
False Bravado aside let's look at the situationThis is a nice game
for the Cougs in 2013This will greatly improve their November scheduleThere is no return game scheduled (we will see if it happens in 2014 or
becomes a 2 for 1)The rivalry comment did come from WI but is way
premature and he hopes it will become a rivalryThe Y have greatly improved
their schedule in 2012 and again in 2013Now let's see if the team
goes 6-6 or 10-2 with the new scheduleAnd let's see if the Y can get
a better bowl arrangement
Utah is terrified to play BYU plain and simple! The PAC 12 schedule is for the
most part weak. The prefer to call the PAC 12 the PAC 2.10. Oregon and USC are
only contenders. Utah is afraid to play BYU. Who needs Utah anyway. Also
Wisconsin > Michigan. Big 10 champs last two years.
It is only a home and home, Thisa is not a rilvary! I think SUU would be a
better fit. Ya'll are gonna get trounced and it is just about the money of
going to Madison,
Wisconsin is a class school. I have worked with several booster clubs both in
state and out and Wisconsin’s Mendota Gridiron club is one of the best.
Make no mistake their fans and boosters are excited about playing BYU in 2013
It's amazing how many Utah fans read the BYU articles, i would never waste
my time with their articles. Look, Holmoe and Bronco decided to play the
toughest schedule possible even though it would make it tougher to win most of
their games, unlike the Utes who decided to not schedule BYU because that makes
the schedule too hard. What are they afraid of?
twofer"As for Utah fans having nothing to claim superiority
about..."Utah fans crow about one early season win over an
"irrelevant" independent, while completely ignoring the fact that the
Utes finished with a losing record in a pathetically weak division - besides
Utah and ineligible USC, did every team in the PAC 12 South finish with a losing
record?.BYU fans simply point to the final rankings as to which team
had the better team and better overall season by season's end.Once a little brother, always a little brother.
"There have been talks beyond next year and that's very intriguing to
me." Belemahmmmm, doesn't sound like a return trip was ever
We won't loose to the Bagders, we only beat ourselves.
"If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not have as big a
draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah."Isn't that like saying "If weren't for the Catholics, Notre Dame
would have a hard time getting fans to go to games away from South Bend." ?
The logic by Utah fans is ridiculous.
This sounds like some sleight of hand like they did with Texas to avoid
admitting they were getting into a two for one situation.
Wazzu will torch lowly BYu.
GoRed:You may want to change your handle to "GoRead." It was
Wisconsin's coach who brought up the rivalry.
@nwcougIf it wasn't for it's church affiliation BYU
wouldn't have a 65K seat stadium, a national fan base, and an ESPN deal.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.Also, the BCS label is
going away but you are kidding yourself if you think the status quo is going to
change. In actuality it will probably be more difficult for mid-majors to earn a
playoff birth if SOS is indeed a major factor.As for Utah fans
having nothing to claim superiority about; try 7 out of 10 and 54-10.
@nwcoug"Most rationale Ute fans realize that if it wasn't for
it's church affiliation, BYU would have been in the Big 12 or Pac 12 back
in the 1980's. "Well I won't speak about the 80s since
I don't know much about it. Personally I was hoping BYU would be brought
into the PAC12 with Utah rather than Colorado. BYU is certainly worthy of being
in a BCS conference since BYU and Utah have averaged around 30th in the Sagarin
rankings over the past 5 years."in Washington where i live, we
get 10,000 BYU fans at road games."If it weren't for its
church affiliation BYU would not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It
would be just like Utah.
There is no way that Wazzu beats BYu. BYu is America's team. Every living
soul hops hopes that BYu is victorious.
@striker"A certain team in Utah doesn't want to play BYU and has
the SEC attitude of padding your schedule "Replacing BYU with
Michigan is not padding...
Chris B you have got to stop! At least read stuff before setting yourself up for
foot n mouthitis... It is really getting rather bothersome that someone can
sonsistently post such nonsense improperly 'researched'. Case in
point? Here ya go. Try to read it this time! “I’m very excited
because hopefully it’s something that will continue to grow from
here,” Bielema said. “There have been talks beyond next year and
that’s very intriguing to me.”
re: chris b. Read the article it was the Wisc. coach who said he hoped it would
become a rivalry game. So I guess...sure, let's call it a rivalry THEY want
it. Unlike your yewts who want to get rid of it. Lot of teams waiting to pick up
the Cougs...it means money and exposure!!!
BYu is in trouble. It is that simple folks!
Great job of scheduling by Holmoe,it was only a matter of time before BYU
starting getting big time opponents to schedule them. BYU has always been able
to get big time opponents to play them, they just needed time to settle into
their independence and now that they have future schedules are looking real
good. Sorry Utah trolls but no matter how frantically you try to dismiss BYUs
schedule or down play teams really wanting to play BYU its not gonna work,
simple fact is teams like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Boise
State, Texas, etc. see real value in playing a quality program like BYU.
GoRed:Maybe you should change your handle to
''GoRead.' it was Wisconsin's coach that brought up the word
YGradFanCENTERVILLE, UT@WACPaddingOurSchedule, wow, did you really
go through the Wisconsin articles to gather this information?"If
read what is being said up in Wisconsin. This means nothing. They expect BYU to
be a cupcake, not a rival."I'm impressed you spent so much
time looking this up. Shows how dedicated you are to all things BYU!__________It was brought to my attention first by a Badger alumn.
Chris B - "Either you are in a BCS league and thus part of the national
discussion(except Notre Dame) or you are not. Simple as that." Too bad for U. After next year, Utah is not in a BCS league. Then what?Chris B - "BYU loses one game and your season is over. No national
championship talk." Do you really think Utah has a shot at a
national championship with one loss? Get real. There are only a handful of
schools that have a chance of being in the Top 4 with one loss and neither BYU
nor Utah are among those schools. It will take an undefeated season for either
school to be in the national championship talk.
RE: GoRed"the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU
is."I assure you a few of us do. I'm very excited about
being able to watch the Cougs in South Bend this fall and then again in Madison
next year. Please, please keep scheduling big time games out here. WACpaddingourschedules, which papers do you read? I'd like to find a few
more that write about BYU football. They are the only Utah football team that
is ever discussed out here.
@IndeMakNice try but warm up games are at the beginning of the
season, not the end sandwiched in between conference games. Put in another
quarter and try again.
@Cougars1,Sir, BYu can no longer compete in the 21st century. It is
that simple, sir. Say what you will, but the entir world knows my friend.
always worth a laugh to see how many utes come comment on a BYU article.
Remember, the more you bash BYU, the worse it makes your tradition-less, upstart
program look. The u is work in progress and well on its way to consistant
success for the first time in it's history, but keep pining. It fits u
"Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things up."nwcoug,UH has ALWAYS made things up. Not just now. That is how he
rolls and why no one on these boards believes anything he says. Can you say 0
Wisconsin used UNLV for years as their yearly MWC warm up game. Next cream
puff......BYU. Bronco's days are numbered. I
actually respect Holmoe for getting some better games later in the season.
"Future plans for the series will be announced at a later date"Yeah, once every 33 years.
2012Utah 32byu 10riley 4 turnoversMark it
Lastly, it must be hard to be a Ute fan like these posters. Most rationale Ute
fans realize that if it wasn't for it's church affiliation, BYU would
have been in the Big 12 or Pac 12 back in the 1980's. I am glad the silly
BCS designation will be gone soon. Utah fans will have nothing to claim
superiority in the hierarchy of college football over BYU. Utah gets it's
prestige on the back of the USC's, Stanford's, annd Oregon's of
the world. BYU has and will continue to make it's name on it's own.
Utah is a nice regional program, but in Washington where i live, we get 10,000
BYU fans at road games.
Counter IntelligenceSalt Lake City, UT"Utah-Hawaii
AlumMildred in FillmoreChris BYou are the reason I
stopped attending Utah games"Need a tissue?
BYu demanding a 2 for 1 with Utah State was a Klassy move???? Predictable,
however. I'm proud that Utah was considerate to our friends up north. I
just hope they don't beat us in Logan.........it could happen, folks!
Good comment counter intelligence. I am sitting here with my brother and father
in law who are huge U fans. They can't stand people like those who cloak
their hatred for other things in football. I totally respect the fact that Utah
has made this a rivalry. For the first 20 years of my life, Utah won once or
twice. With few exceptions, over the last 15 years this has been a great
rivalry. I think Utah fans will be surprised when this is a great game this
Here are a few highlights from the article on UWBadgers.com:"Home game vs. BYU highlights 2013 schedule, but required cooperation,
creativity""Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema anticipates a
developing rivalry with BYU now that the Cougars have been added to the 2013
home schedule and future dates are also being discussed."“I’m very excited because hopefully it’s something that will
continue to grow from here,” Bielema said.
Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things up. The only team that has a
2-1 is Notre Dame. The rest are all home and away schedules. I love how he
tried to put Utah in the same group...funny. The Nebraska one was a fill the
schedule move for BYU and that's fine. Notice how Notre Dame will have
come to Provo 4 times. Utah....One and done in South Bend. Not worth the trip
to play a regional program.
Dear Chris B, Naval Vet, Utah Hawaii Alum, Hedgie and others - We continue to
appreciate your obsession with the Cougs. Thank you!Please read the
article - it is the Wisconsin coach who brought up th word rivalry, not BYU -
although I would like to see it turn into a regular game as well.The
Wisconsin State Journal reported the home and home series, not BYU. Don't
blame it on a BYU tweeter.Some people need to get their facts
straight so they don't continue to display their ignorance.This
should put an end to the banter about BYU's November schedule. 2013 easily
eclipses Utah's strength of schedule. I'm hoping the last two games,
to be scheduled, will be teams like UNLV or Wyoming. We will be
extremely young and inexperienced in 2013. I'd be delighted with an 8 - 5
or 9 - 4 record and no embarassing losses.
Where is Idaho Falls? I heard it is in Yemen? Is that true?
Inspite of all the naysayers, there are many teams that are willing to play BYU.
They know it is a quality program, just as Michigan and other teams want to
play Utah.The challenge for both BYU and Utah is not to lose, not to
"just be competitive", but to WIN. Respect comes from winning.
@WACPaddingOurSchedule, wow, did you really go through the Wisconsin articles to
gather this information?"If read what is being said up in
Wisconsin. This means nothing. They expect BYU to be a cupcake, not a
rival."I'm impressed you spent so much time looking this
up. Shows how dedicated you are to all things BYU!
Belema said in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal that they were
working on the date for the return trip to Provo. Sorry Utah-Hawaii Alum, BYU
does not need the a conference to get big programs to come to Provo. (see Penn
State, Miami, Florida State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas, and more to come).
Utah doesn't get these games without getting into the PAC 12. And to Cris
B...No such thing after next year as BCS. Sorry, but your PAC 12 isn't any
more of an advantage to get to the National Semi Final than BYU future schedule.
If BYU goes unbeaten in 2014 with their schedule, they would get in the
playoff. For the record, I don't think they will. Utah would also have to
go unbeaten to get their too. Run to SOS numbers for the 2013
schedule. BYU's is higher than Utah's based on the teams they play
and their current ratings. The further evidence that some (not all) Utah fans
can't get over baby brother syndrome is the fact that they show up and post
on BYU articles that have nothing to do with Utah.
Wow... Utah-Hawaii Alum is giving Chris B as the biggest BYU article troll. 10
Comments on here and 3 are your comment. By the way, neither you or Chrissy read
the article you would see it was Bielema who brought up the notion of it being a
rivalry. Get a clue. "Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema told
UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with BYU.Im very
excited because hopefully its something that will continue to grow from here,
Bielema said. There have been talks beyond next year and thats very intriguing
"We did everything we could to make the 2013 schedule as good as we
could."That is what BYU is doing too. Look at 2013!! A certain
team in Utah doesn't want to play BYU and has the SEC attitude of padding
your schedule cuz the conference is too tough. I admire coaches and AD's
who make great schedules, which makes for a great season. Kind of the Pat Hill
and his "any team, anywhere" mentality. Props to BYU and Wisconsin for
scheduling tough, and not playing it safe. "the people of
Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU is."Ignorance and hatred
at its best right there. I've been to Wisconsin many, many times, and
those football fans are as educated as anyone else. They know exactly who BYU
is. Get real.
@GoRedDid you even read the article? It was the Wisconsin HC who
threw out the rivalry word."Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema told
UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with BYU."
I don't see Wisconsin being a rival. Notre Dame makes a lot more sense if
they end up scheduled for more than half of the years over the next decade
(that's why Colorado has potential with Utah, because they won't stop
playing them after two years). @Chris B"2012byu
7-6utah 11-2"We could wait til they play the games. Exact
predictions are silly anyway. Too many variables, one of which is Wynn's
health. Just looking at the two schedules suggests that 8-4 or 9-3
is pretty likely (not guaranteed) for both schools. I think BYU has a slight
advantage since their schedule is a bit easier than Utah's.Even
if one thinks it's more likely than not for Utah to beat ASU, UCLA, Cal,
WU, WSU, and BYU... if they have 67% odds of winning against those teams
that's still a predicted 2 losses among those 6 games (and I'd put
odds closer to 60% than 2/3). That still leaves USC (likely loss) and the other
5 games (likely wins but hey, upsets happen). So predicting 3-4 losses is
logical. Same concept for BYU.
Who is utah?
Wisconsin threw a 2 for 1 bone to BYu like Utah, UT, GTech, ND, but Nebraska
gave them a 1 and done for giggles. But, Wisconsin hasn't committed for a
return game, nor will they. 2013 will destroy whatever BYu seems to think about
who they are. It is BYu Idaho in the making. They will just get crucified!!!!!!
If read what is being said up in Wisconsin. This means nothing.They expect
BYU to be a cupcake, not a rival. They have plenty of rivals in the Big 10.
Hey Ute Trolls...read the article again. It isn't BYU that's calling
this a rivalry, but Wisconsin's coach:"Wisconsin coach Bret
Bielema told UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with
BYU."BYU simply referred to them as a quality opponent. If the
Badgers want to make it a rivalry, then more power to 'em. Would prefer
them over our little brothers up north!
@RepresentBlue"I dont see BYU winning more than 6-7 games in 2013
since they will be breaking in a new QB and rebuilding most of their defense.
"As fun as it might be as a Ute to taunt and agree, I'll be
a voice of reason and note that it's entirely possible some of those
opponents that year that are good teams now could also be rebuilding that year.
Something like 8-4 + bowl game is perfectly reasonable with the schedule
assuming the remaining two games with easy opponents (I wouldn't even rule
out something like 9-3 + bowl) though I'd consider 7-5 + bowl to be most
If byu fans think Utah fans are drunk and hostile, wait till they go to Camp
Randall. If you dont believe me look up The Chant aka P vs O. Good luck with
that rivalry cougs
This game was leaked on Twitter two weeks ago by BYu people. There is no return
game at LES. That is fiction. Wisconsin needed a cupcake and returned
Holmoe's frantic call is all.
The coach is the one saying rivalry. Not BYU
A new rival? That's a bit of a stretch, considering that they've
played exactly one time, and the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU
Rival, or daddy? This is a one and done warm-up game for Wisconsin. They will
just pound BYu relentlessly.
Wisconsin better hope to just be able to compete with BYU, let alone win.
LOLNotre Dame and Wisconsin are now your "rivals"Too bad they don't feel the same way.Either you are in a BCS
league and thus part of the national discussion(except Notre Dame) or you are
not. Simple as that.BYU loses one game(which always happens within
the first two games of the season) and your season is over. No BCS games. No
conference title. No national championship talk. No national attention.
Nothing. Over. 2012byu 7-6utah 11-2byu fans, remind me what your record is against the best 7 or 8
teams you've played the last 2 years?0-8 right? LOL LOL LOL
Yes! Hmmm and there goes the arguments about a weak November schedule. Wisconsin
and Notre Dame in November. Looking good Cougs!
LOVE the great games Holmoe is scheduling but I dont see BYU winning more than
6-7 games in 2013 since they will be breaking in a new QB and rebuilding most of
their defense. Bronco better figure out a way to get his younger players plenty
of playing time this season to prepare them for the buzz saw they will be
running into the next season.