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  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 30, 2012 11:01 a.m.

    @NavalVet "[The U was] big enough to get in ourselves, but not big enough to drag [BYU] in on our 2-time BCS bowl busting coattails"

    Lol, again, like U said, the PAC 10 WANTED Texas and OU. They didn't want U, they had to settle for U when the big boys said no. The fact that the U had to get a contract with KJZZ just to air their games tells U how much the PAC 12 and their TV networks value U.

    The biggest slap in the fact, however, was when your biggest game of the season last year, USC (your first EVER PAC 12 game) was relegated to MWC Lite (Versus), while the mighty Colorado Buffaloes got to play the Trojans on ESPN prime-time Saturday night.

    In conclusion, your 'two-time BCS bustin'' team got into the PAC 12 because the PAC 12 had to settle for U, and they wanted to get into the SLC TV market with a team that had no religious affiliation. However, U are now stuck in the high chair at the 'big boy' table, playing on regional television and running your football facilities out of a trailer park.

    Congrats :)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 30, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    @NavalVet "Once the Pac-12 felt they could get Texas and Oklahoma without OSU, they moved to drop them for the invitation list."

    Can you list any credible source that supports that statement? I've checked through ESPN's articles about the initial PAC 10 expansion and the subsequent PAC 12 expansion and BOTH times ESPN listed Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and Texas Tech as expansion candidates. No where did I find mention of Kansas taking OSU's place as a possible entrant into the PAC 12.

    In fact, the only articles I found on ESPN regarding Kansas and expansion was how Kansas was one of the remaining universities in the Big 12 getting left out of the expansion process who were trying to come up with a plan to get Texas and OU to stay.

    Of course the PAC 10/12 wanted Texas and Oklahoma. They were the prize. The didn't want OSU, or Texas Tech, or Utah for that matter.

    So again, the fact that the PAC 12 TWICE considered expanding to include OSU suggests that the whole 'research institute' requirement by the PAC 12 is completely bogus.

    Go Cougars!

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    July 29, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    BYU better take care of business next year, or they'll end up being the "Northern Colorado" for Notre Dame and Wisconcin in 2013

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 27, 2012 7:55 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    "...the mere fact that the PAC 12 was at one point (if not the whole time) considering inviting Oklahoma St demonstrates that they were willing to allow a school that was 'not-up-to-par' academically into their conference."

    Again...they wanted TEXAS and OKLAHOMA. They didn't want OSU. Once the Pac-12 felt they could get Texas and Oklahoma without OSU, they moved to drop them for the invitation list.

    As for the Indy-WACers, neither Texas nor Oklahoma was insisting the Pac-12 bring you along. Athletically, Tx. Tech and OSU had big enough brothers to be dragged along for the ride, but the bottom line here is, without their big brothers, Tx. Tech and Okla. St. don't get an invite. With Texas and Oklahoma, their invitation is tentative and begrudgingly.

    Unfortunately for the Y, Utah isn't as big as Texas or Oklahoma, so we couldn't do so likewise for you. We were big enough to get in ourselves, but not big enough to drag you in on our 2-time BCS bowl busting coattails.

    But at least you could get yourselves back into the WAC. For now anyways.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 27, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    @NavalVet

    Interesting info, thanks for the heads-up. I'd be interested to know the criteria for being what the PAC 12 would call a 'research' school. Regardless of that info, the mere fact that the PAC 12 was at one point (if not the whole time) considering inviting Oklahoma St demonstrates that they were willing to allow a school that was 'not-up-to-par' academically into their conference.

    Baylor and BYU? Not even considered. Pretty apparent from the Wilner article and from the mere fact of not being considered that religion was the biggest factor in the Bears and Cougars not being considered by the PAC 12.

    Like I said before, not really a big deal, but if U think religion had nothing to do with it, U are wrong.

    It's all moot, I love where BYU is and I'm sure U love where Utah is, so everyone's happy.

    Interesting about Navy. I'm with U, we're an Air Force family, but my loyalty's first to BYU, then the AFA.

    Go U High Chairies!

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 27, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    truecoug1:

    On an academic and research basis, Kansas is a tier-1 research school, and one who ALSO is a member of the AAU. Kansas and Oklahoma St. are NOT on the same footing. I wouldn't even put OSU on the same (research) level as the Indy-WACers. And for what it's worth, Baylor (a religious school notwithstanding) is NOT a tier-1 research institution either, and thus, is NOT Pac-12 worthy. Just like the Y.

    Academically, the only Big 12 schools that fit the Pac-12's model were Texas, Texas A&M, Nebraska, Kansas, Missouri, and Iowa St (all AAU schools), and to a somewhat lesser extent, Oklahoma and Kansas St. Not Baylor, not Tx. Tech, and DEFINITELY not Oklahoma St.

    As for a Utah-Navy series....I'm not a Naval Academy alumnus. Just like during the 2007 Poinsettia Bowl, I root for my alma mater. My loyalties lie in Utah FIRST, Pac-12 SECOND, and Annapolis a very close THIRD**.

    Go Middies!

    GO UTES!!!

    ** Although, back when the Utes were in the MWC, I could never quite bring myself to root for AFA over USNA.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    @NavalVet continued

    Back to the Chip Brown report, regardless of whether it's true or not, on an academic and research basis, both Oklahoma St and Kansas are on the same footing as BYU.

    Gotta love the hypocrisy.

    On a completely random note, if Navy and Utah schedule a series, who will U be cheering for?

    Just curious.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    @NavalVet "...which is stipulating that his whole point thereafter is an OPINION."

    That's not what I gathered from the article, considering the fact that he prefaced his points by referring to his PAC 12 sources and what he had gathered from talking with them and sources outside of the PAC 12. HIs bullet points were based on these discussions and, as far as he could tell, the bullet points he gave were the primary reasons for not inviting BYU.

    It's pretty clear that the PAC 12 is discriminatory against religious schools, not just BYU. Baylor got snubbed, according to reports, because of religious affiliation.

    Not that big of a deal, I love where BYU is now. I just think it's funny that U refuse to believe that religion had anything to do with their decision. It had everything to do with it.

    As for the Ok St and Chip Brown report...wasn't Chip Brown the guy who reported that Notre Dame's olympic sports would be joining the Big 12 soon, only to have ND's athletic director come out and say that was completely untrue?

    Huh...must've been his 'opinion' then.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 9:06 p.m.

    B C (cont.):

    Now if you were REALLY interested in Utah's journey to the Pac-12, you could Google "ESPN Graham Watson MWC plays waiting game with Utah June 15 2010 2:02 PM ET". There, you will find out how far back Utah was on the Pac-10's discussion table.

    "...those who followed Colorado’s journey to the Pac-10 know that that deal had been in the works since October, which makes this quote from Utah spokesperson Liz Abel regarding Pac-10 expansion interesting: 'Right now for us, it's the same as it was eight months ago,' she said."

    P.S.: As this article was written in Jun. 2010, 8 months prior would have been Oct. 2009. Can you find ANY sources that link Oklahoma, OSU, or Texas Tech to the Pac-10’s wish list prior to April 2010?

    Nope.

    Utah was part of the plan all along.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 9:01 p.m.

    B C (cont.):

    As for Tx. Tech, the Red Raiders had already been mentioned by the BigTen as “the Tech problem”. The BigTen had their eye on Texas too, but Texas insisted on bringing their little brothers with them if they should join their conference. Tech didn’t meet the BigTen’s academic profile since they weren’t an AAU school. The Pac-12 prefers adding AAU schools as well, but are not as dogmatic as their Midwestern rivals in that requirement.

    It’s clear the Pac-12 knew that if it were to get Texas, they’d have to deal with the same push-back the BigTen needed to negotiate. Tech didn’t meet the Pac-10’s academic profile, but Texas did, and they really wanted Texas. Without Texas, Tech receives no invitation.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    B C:

    "LOL at your laughably ridiculous revisionist history."

    Nope. See for yourself. Just Google "Chip Brown Orangebloods How the Big 12 came back to life June 15 2010"

    Quotes from that article:

    "Other than its somewhat foggy math that a 16-team Pac-10 could readily get to $20 million in TV revenue per school, they wanted to substitute Kansas for Oklahoma State late in the process, according to multiple sources in the Big 12."

    See? OSU is on its way OUT!

    "Scott and Weiberg were looking to dump Oklahoma State in favor of Kansas. If A&M was a no-show, the Pac-10 would add Utah."

    See? Utah was IN. The article also stated A&M had an SEC lean almost from the beginning. A&M wasn't going to happen.

    "...now they were dealing with a wheeler-dealer Pac-10 commissioner who wanted to sub out Boone Pickens' Cowboys for the chance to grab new households in Kansas, Missouri and middle America...Dodds had given Oklahoma State his word they would be part of the group headed west. Now, the Pac-10 wanted to do some late rearranging."

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "Edge: Michigan"

    Historically yes, but during the Bronco/Kyle, not even close.

    Wisconsin
    2005 10-3 #15/#15
    2006 12-1 #7/#5
    2007 9-4 #24/#21
    2008 7-6 unranked
    2009 10-3 #16/#16
    2010 11-2 #7/#8 B1G Conference Co-Champions
    2011 11-3 #10/#11 B1G Conference Champions
    Versus Michigan 4-2

    Michigan
    2005 7-5 unranked
    2006 11-2 #8/#9
    2007 9-4 #18/#19
    2008 3-9 unranked
    2009 5-7 unranked
    2010 7-6 unranked
    2011 11-2 #12/#9
    Versus Wisconsin 2-4

    Wisconsin Overall 60-22(73%) SIX Top 25 Finishes, 2 B1G Championships
    Michigan Overall 53-35(60%) three Top 25 Finishes, ZERO B1G Championships

    B1G Edge: Wisconsin!

    Wisconsin > Michigan

  • Alaskan Ute Fairbanks, AK
    July 26, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    Good luck BYU - I sincerely hope you do well. If I were a BYU fan, I would be very happy to split the series. Wisconsin is a fundamentally sound program. I have watched them get better for the past 10+ years.

    I believe Wisonsin is a better program than Michigan right now.

  • B C Park City, UT
    July 26, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "The Pac-10 didn't want Oklahoma St. (or Texas Tech either). They wanted Texas and Oklahoma (particularly Texas). TT and OSU were just the baggage the Pac-10 thought they'd need to carry along in order to grab the other 2."

    LOL at your laughably ridiculous revisionist history.

    Scott wanted the ENTIRE Big 12 South in order to fulfill his dream of creating the first 16-team super conference. When the religious bigots of the PAC 10 objected to private religiously based Baylor being included, Scott went to Plan B, and invited Colorado to shut Baylor out of the the PAC 10 - Big 12 South merger. Texas A&M then decided they'd had enough of living in the shadow of Texas and scuttled the merger just before it was completed. With Colorado already in the fold, Scott desperately needed another team as filler so the PAC 10 could start a championship game - enter Utah, as Plan C.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    "The other talks about BYU not being a research institute, which is funny since Ok St is definitely not a research institute and the PAC 12 was all set to invite them into the fold."

    The Pac-10 didn't want Oklahoma St. (or Texas Tech either). They wanted Texas and Oklahoma (particularly Texas). TT and OSU were just the baggage the Pac-10 thought they'd need to carry along in order to grab the other 2. And if you followed Chip Brown's reporting, in the 11th hour, prior to Texas deciding to remain in the Big 12, Oklahoma St. was getting nudged out of the deal anyway. So it looks like your point is that you have no point. Typical.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    I checked out that Jon Wilner article, and he did make mention of no-Sunday play, but he precluded all that talk with:

    "...best I can tell..."

    ...which is stipulating that his whole point thereafter is an OPINION. Not fact. A "fact" would have been had Wilner reported, "The presidents and chancellors of the secular Pac-10 schools were very clear when they stated, 'No way we're admitting a religious school.'"

    But of course that didn't happen, so thus far, we still have no evidence of religious discrimination.

    What DID happen however -- although not specifically "quoted" in THAT article**, was Larry Scott, and the Pac-10 presidents were looking for someone who would fit their academic, athletic, and cultural atmosphere. The U fit; the Y didn't.

    ** While not "quoting" Pac-12 officials, Wilner speculated "The Pac-10 CEOs consider Utah to be a much better academically". That was Wilner's nod to Utah being a tier-1 research institution, whereas their little brother in WACistan is NOT.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 26, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    Chris B
    Salt Lake City, UT,

    The utes will be the Wyoming of the conference, and envy will not change that.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 4:45 p.m.

    @ truecoug1,

    The PAC really wanted BYu, true? Bwahahahahaha!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    @NavalVet continued

    As for your claim that Utah was invited because of their record against BCS schools...U think that, bro, if it gives U comfort.

    Utah's record (2004-2010): 71-20, 2 BCS bowl appearances
    Colorado's record (2004-2010): 36-51, 0 BCS bowl appearances

    And yet, the Buffaloes also got invited into the Mighty PAC 12. And not only did they get invited, they were featured prime time on ESPN against USC, while the PAC 12 relegated the mighty BCS-bustin' Utes in your FIRST EVER PAC 12 game with USC to MWC Lite (Versus). U had to get a contract with KJZZ just to air your games for your fans, since U tied Oregon St with the fewest amount of PAC 12 games aired by their networks.

    U got invited to the 'big boys' table and then got stuck in the high chair and told not to make waves.

    And U run your football facilities out of a trailer park, so I really can't take anything U say seriously.

    But it's cute that U and other Ute 'fans' think U are relevant now, since no one else in your conference thinks U are.

  • RedBlood Bountiful, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    Congrats to the Cougars for scheduling such top tier opponents. It really has been an amazing couple of years to see the local teams (including Utah State) take it up a notch in almost every way. Good luck in 2013 with that difficult schedule! I guess if you want to earn national respect you need to be willing to schedule those types of games. Hopefully it won't end up biting you, i.e. losing half your 'big' games on national television.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 26, 2012 2:06 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Well if that's true, then I suppose you could provide us with a Google search engine keyword that will link us to and article that substantiates your position."

    Check out "PAC 10 expansion revisiting byu". First link, Jon Wilner's article.

    Good article. Three of the five points he listed for why the PAC 10 wouldn't take BYU are religious based (and this is from his conversation with PAC 10 chancellors, AD's, etc.). The other two points are actually pretty funny.

    One talks about how the TV revenue wouldn't be a huge jump since most of the BYU fan base already lives in the PAC 12 area (which clearly wasn't a factor, since ALL of Utah's fan base lives in the PAC 12 area and the U had to get a contract with KJZZ just to air their games because the PAC 12 networks clearly felt that the U wasn't worth televising last year).

    The other talks about BYU not being a research institute, which is funny since Ok St is definitely not a research institute and the PAC 12 was all set to invite them into the fold.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    UH Alum

    "Utah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause injuries. Utah is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYU ever again sir."

    The Utes are full of whiney excuses for being too cowardly to play the Cougars anymore.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    @ColoradoCougarFan,

    Utah seats 48k+ and the tickets are 3x more expensive than at BYu. Plus, Utah is sold out again, every game in 2012..........the ONLY game BYu sold out last year was against Utah. Just goooooooo away BYu.

  • ColoradoCougarFan Loveland, CO
    July 26, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    What surprises me most about Utah Fans is that a couple of years ago they bagged on BYU weak schedule. BYU then adds quality school games with Wisconsin, Boise State (which I think will be weaker now), Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech and others in years later. UofU are now part of a weak PAC12. (especially now that USC was busted for violations.)

    I for one am glad that BYU left the very weak MWC and didn't join the weak Big East (football). Let's be honest Big East is great for basketball but football? Give me a break. Wisconsin Randall stadium seats 85,000, Notre Dame stadium seats 80,000, University of Texas 90,000, Georgia Tech seats 55,000. UofU only seats 40,000.

    BYU will play live in front of more people next year than they ever have played before. BYU will be on ESPN more than 99% of all other College Teams. I'm one happy Cougar Fan. You Utah fans can keep your weak conference and poor attendance. Even if BYU doesn't win 10 games next year... I'm happy they are at least competing with the best football programs.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Utah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause injuries. Utah is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYu ever again sir.

    No question, down 30 helmet to helmet they get up and do thier dance, pound chests, high fives going around, acting like they just made the greatest tackle in the history of the sport. Not going to hurt me if we never play again and I have seen over 40 of them. I do have to say with the U passing them by so much that I think byu will be in the same sentance with Colorado State, Wyoming and UNLV. That would be a sure win game and where we will be we won't have to give them a 1 and 1. Like I keep saying they are still nothing playing for nothing.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 12:06 p.m.

    CordonBleu:

    "...the primary reason BYU wasn't invited to the Big 12, and religious bigotry was the ONLY reason BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12."

    Well if that's true, then I suppose you could provide us with a Google search engine keyword that will link us to and article that substantiates your position. If you (or any OTHER cougar fans out there) can NOT do so, then I'll accept your silence as a tacit admission that your claim is just another one of those factless, folklored apologist versions motivated by the fear and envy of the success your big brother on the Hill had been experiencing.

    Good luck!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2012 12:02 p.m.

    "Wisconsin is strongly suggesting that they'd like to see the series extended beyond the current two-game agreement."

    They said the same thing about UNLV & Fresno State. They need to maintain guaranteed wins against patsies to prep for B1G play.

    54-10 on byu's homefield....Easiest win UTAH had last year.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    I hope they find a padded cell for Flinching. That was an amazing read for sure.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 11:38 a.m.

    @ Flinching,

    Can I serve you another drink? That has to be the most bizarre post that I've ever read.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 11:35 a.m.

    @ MLH,

    Utah cannot afford cheap shots that will cause injuries. Utah is in the 12 PAC now...........no need to see BYu ever again sir.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 26, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    Salemite

    The hyperbole about Rice-Eccles from BYU fans is deafening. The fact is that the vast majority of people who go to Utah games are just like the people who attend BYU games; they just wear a different color shirt. However BYU fans seem to have adopted the idea that being inside RES is the same as being in an old western saloon.

    I agree with you that the class shown by BIG schools to their opponents is off the charts, but you are bashing Utah for things that BYU doesn't do either. Also don't act like there are/were no intoxicated people in Camp Randall. Wisconsin is a big-time program with a big-time tailgating tradition.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 26, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    afrost

    Utah is terrified to play BYU plain and simple! 7-10, 54-10 last year. Totally shaking in thier boots, time to pass that one on. We miss two years right now that's all. Your team got entirely worked last year not even close to being a game. Utah has and will continue to have the more superior football program, it won't even be close again this year. Who needs ByU anyway, sure isn't Utah, don't let the door hit you in the behind the U has passed you by,

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 26, 2012 10:45 a.m.

    EdGrady

    Who is byu?

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 26, 2012 10:39 a.m.

    Texas made multiple trips to Laramie, Provo is a much better option for them to visit.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 10:12 a.m.

    Wisconsin will NEVA show up in Provo, Utah.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 26, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    Wisconsin will never show up in Provo. Nor will Texas after next year. Fans and media have to stay in SLC.........they don't care to commute to Utah County.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 26, 2012 9:55 a.m.

    The fact that Wisconsin had the conference move the Purdue game from 11/9 into September is a B1G deal! Go Cougs, great scheduling. I guess that 9 game conference schedule is really going to work out for the PAC10+ as the B1G pursues other options in scheduling.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 26, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    I fear that BYU's current direction that for whatever reason seems to be driving out the best talent won't work over time. I hate to see what is happening to the program. I attended the last game in Madison and had a great time. Many of the players from that team would be shown the door today.

  • IDC Boise, ID
    July 26, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    Wow. Wisconsin and Notre Dame in November. My only concern now is that BYU is scheduling too many good teams. Maybe Holmoe needs to look to the FCS ranks to balance out the schedule. 2013 will be tough with a young team but the schedule Holmoe has develped in just a few years is amazing.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 26, 2012 8:44 a.m.

    CO Ute

    "False Bravado aside let's look at the situation...
    There is no return game scheduled (we will see if it happens in 2014 or becomes a 2 for 1)"

    Only a BYU-hater could have read the article and drawn that conclusion. If you were at all objective, you would have no doubt that not only will there be a return game, Wisconsin is strongly suggesting that they'd like to see the series extended beyond the current two-game agreement.

    Gotta luv all of the jealous spin we constantly see from the kids on the hill who simply can't accept the fact that Independence is looking better and better for BYU all the time.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    July 26, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    My sister from Salt Lake has a daughter that attends Wisconsin, and she saw them play UNLV last year. She was in awe at how gracious they were to the Rebels. The Wisconsin band played their fight song. The fans cheered when the Rebels walked on the field. They stood on their feet and clapped when the game was over. Does that happen on the hill in Salt Lake? - - - NOT. My daughter attended a Ute home game in Salt Lake last year and she said her ears were numb from all the four letter metaphors at high decibels. She thought it was funny seeing all the ways you can sneak in, and drink hard liquor under the radar - such as from a pair of fake binoculars.

    I'll take the Badgers over the Utes any day.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    navel vet

    "the [Cougars] were not snubbed by the Pac-12 or the Big 12 because of the church"

    You can go on spreading this pure fabrication if it helps you sleep at night, but the no-Sunday play issue was the primary reason BYU wasn't invited to the Big 12, and religious bigotry was the ONLY reason BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12. You can pretend that not being a heavy research university was a reason, but that's a complete joke. The PAC 12 was willing to accept with open arms schools from the Big 12 the have the exact same "research" status as BYU.

    BYU overall athletic programs dwarf Utah overall athletic programs - it's not even close.

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    July 26, 2012 12:07 a.m.

    Guess I'm too late to ask everyone to suspend the spitting contest between BYU & Utah. This is a great scheduling announcement and I'm amazed at the 2013 schedule. Anyone still saying BYU went independent so they could play patsies and pad their schedule just looks silly at this point. Makes me quite worried about how things will play out with so many Sr's this year, however. We all know you can't get better if you don't play the tough games. With the 2013 SOS, BYU should be making great strides. Go Coug's!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 26, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    BYU Joe:

    "...Utes - Admit it - you got a good break but there is no way that if you had not that you could match what BYU is doing right now..."

    I disagree. I believe if the Utes wanted to be just as irrelevant as our little brother, we could just as easily defected from the MWC, loaded up our schedules with a bunch of weak WAC cupcakes, and added a patchwork of one-offs and 2-for-1s with schools from major conferences. We'd also likely get a smattering of Home-&-Home agreements with those larger schools as well. Just not with Wisconsin, since they banned playing non-conference regular season games vs. universities that have native americans as mascots. That's why they cancelled their Home-&-Home series with the Utes back in 2001 and 2002. And THAT was back before the MWC started consistently finishing in the nation's Top-6 conferences in terms of competitiveness.

    However, we didn't want to be just as irrelevant as our little brothers. So we opted-in with the Pac-12. Could the cougs have received an invitation to a relevant conference like their big bros?

    Nope.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2012 11:52 p.m.

    afrost:

    "Also Wisconsin > Michigan. Big 10 champs last two years."

    OR...Sugar Bowl winner > Rose Bowl loser.

    Edge: Michigan

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 25, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    nwcoug:

    "Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things up...if it wasn't for it's church affiliation, BYU would have been in the Big 12 or Pac 12 back in the 1980's."

    Uh...speaking of "making things up", the Indy-WACers were not snubbed by the Pac-12 or the Big 12 because of the church. That cougar apologist version is rooted in Ute-envy and cognitive dissonance; not fact. The FACTs are, the Y was NOT the winningest non-AQ team vs. BCS schools. They weren't even #2. Utah and TCU held those titles. And Utah and TCU are now in the Pac-12 and the Big 12. Additionally, unlike Utah and TCU, the Y's record the postseason is beyond dismal. Losing in the postseason makes a conference look bad.

    "I am glad the silly BCS designation will be gone soon. Utah fans will have nothing to claim superiority in the hierarchy of college football over BYU."

    Wrong! The BCS will be gone, but you'll STILL be a mid-major, whereas WE will NOT! So we'll still have that superiority claim over you. Haha!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    There is no wishful thinking or whining in my post. I was simply pointing out to nwcoug that the things that make BYU attractive to a BCS conference are due to things that make BYU ineligible for the PAC-12. Hence the cake and eating it too comment. Perhaps you should consider the context before flaming someone who made a completely accurate and non-hateful post...

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    BYU Joe

    "To fellow Cougars- truth is Utah is in the Pac and we are all jealous."

    There has never been a thing about the Utah's inclusion to PAC to be jealous of.

    Please excuse me as I respectively disagree with your statement.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    CO Ute

    Typical jeolous comments from another hill troll.

    Independence is starting to work out just as Tom Holmoe promised - patched-together schedules the first couple of years, then a marked improvement starting in year three.

    Big name teams coming to Provo, home-and-home series, October and November games, disproving more and more of the desperate predictions of doom by the kids on the hill.

    And now that it's all starting to fall into place, the only thing left for the naysayers to do is bury their heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 25, 2012 11:01 p.m.

    I agree with El Chango - except I think it is more like very good football programs = both getting better.

    Let the game speak for itself and then lets move on. All this talk about who played who is getting old - especially now that we are no longer rivals.

    And the ongoing battle about SOS - so lame.

    To fellow Cougars- truth is Utah is in the Pac and we are all jealous.

    To the Utes - Admit it - you got a good break but there is no way that if you had not that you could match what BYU is doing right now - now way period. So just admit that BYU is doing a very good job being Indy and the teams they are playing are impressive -

    Both schools have seriously upgraded.

    By 2015 the November problem will be solved and BYU will be playing as good a schedule as most.

    Let just admit these truths and talk football - not more lame dribble.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:00 p.m.

    54-10

    Wisconsin in November 2013... Read it and weep.

    Need a tissue?

    What will you complain about next?

    17-14, 4-5 losers

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    July 25, 2012 10:38 p.m.

    Please Please Please,

    Can't we just get along?

    Utah: Great Football Program

    BYU: Great Football Program

    Both have accomplished something the other hasn't

    BYU: National Champ, & Heisman Winner, Super Bowl MVP

    Utah: 2 BCS Bowls, Pac-10 selection, & #1 pick in NFL draft.

    Can't we leave it at that?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    @two for flinching

    "If it wasn't for it's church affiliation BYU wouldn't have a 65K seat stadium, a national fan base, and an ESPN deal. You can't have your cake and eat it too."

    See my answer to atl above. The wishful thinking of utah "fans" that somehow the reality of things were different is extremely amusing. You see BYU is what it is, a large, major university with the backing of a multi million memeber church. They have an affiliation that makes them a large national draw. it is simply what it is. Get over it and quit whining about it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2012 10:28 p.m.

    @atl134

    "If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah."

    Uh....is there an actual point there? The fact is BYU does have the church affiliation, wishful thinking from utah "fans" isn't going to change that. You can make the same kind of thoughtless claim aboiut any other school in the country. Here, let me try.

    If it wasn't for being the main university in a state with a huge population Michigan wouldn't be the draw they are.

    How's that one? I could do it again with every school that exists. All of them are the draw they are because of who they are. utah is a small commuter school in a small state that has no draw outside of the valley it inhabits. If not for that they might be some kind of draw. But that is what they are so that is what they are.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    ATL

    "If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah."

    Who would want to be like Utah? BYU is THE superior sports program in the state. Who needs a demotion to mediocrity?

    Abandon the jealousy and bitterness in your life... become a Cougar fan today.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 25, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    False Bravado aside let's look at the situation
    This is a nice game for the Cougs in 2013
    This will greatly improve their November schedule
    There is no return game scheduled (we will see if it happens in 2014 or becomes a 2 for 1)
    The rivalry comment did come from WI but is way premature and he hopes it will become a rivalry
    The Y have greatly improved their schedule in 2012 and again in 2013
    Now let's see if the team goes 6-6 or 10-2 with the new schedule
    And let's see if the Y can get a better bowl arrangement

  • afrost Cedar City, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    Utah is terrified to play BYU plain and simple! The PAC 12 schedule is for the most part weak. The prefer to call the PAC 12 the PAC 2.10. Oregon and USC are only contenders. Utah is afraid to play BYU. Who needs Utah anyway. Also Wisconsin > Michigan. Big 10 champs last two years.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    July 25, 2012 8:14 p.m.

    It is only a home and home, Thisa is not a rilvary! I think SUU would be a better fit. Ya'll are gonna get trounced and it is just about the money of going to Madison,

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    July 25, 2012 7:52 p.m.

    Wisconsin is a class school. I have worked with several booster clubs both in state and out and Wisconsin’s Mendota Gridiron club is one of the best. Make no mistake their fans and boosters are excited about playing BYU in 2013 and beyond.

  • kaspercasey gilbert, AZ
    July 25, 2012 7:47 p.m.

    It's amazing how many Utah fans read the BYU articles, i would never waste my time with their articles. Look, Holmoe and Bronco decided to play the toughest schedule possible even though it would make it tougher to win most of their games, unlike the Utes who decided to not schedule BYU because that makes the schedule too hard. What are they afraid of?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 25, 2012 7:41 p.m.

    twofer

    "As for Utah fans having nothing to claim superiority about..."

    Utah fans crow about one early season win over an "irrelevant" independent, while completely ignoring the fact that the Utes finished with a losing record in a pathetically weak division - besides Utah and ineligible USC, did every team in the PAC 12 South finish with a losing record?.

    BYU fans simply point to the final rankings as to which team had the better team and better overall season by season's end.

    Once a little brother, always a little brother.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 25, 2012 7:40 p.m.

    "There have been talks beyond next year and that's very intriguing to me." Belema

    hmmmm, doesn't sound like a return trip was ever discussed.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 25, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    We won't loose to the Bagders, we only beat ourselves.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:38 p.m.

    "If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah."

    Isn't that like saying "If weren't for the Catholics, Notre Dame would have a hard time getting fans to go to games away from South Bend." ?

    The logic by Utah fans is ridiculous.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 25, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    This sounds like some sleight of hand like they did with Texas to avoid admitting they were getting into a two for one situation.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    Wazzu will torch lowly BYu.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:06 p.m.

    GoRed:

    You may want to change your handle to "GoRead." It was Wisconsin's coach who brought up the rivalry.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:37 p.m.

    @nwcoug

    If it wasn't for it's church affiliation BYU wouldn't have a 65K seat stadium, a national fan base, and an ESPN deal. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

    Also, the BCS label is going away but you are kidding yourself if you think the status quo is going to change. In actuality it will probably be more difficult for mid-majors to earn a playoff birth if SOS is indeed a major factor.

    As for Utah fans having nothing to claim superiority about; try 7 out of 10 and 54-10.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:36 p.m.

    @nwcoug
    "Most rationale Ute fans realize that if it wasn't for it's church affiliation, BYU would have been in the Big 12 or Pac 12 back in the 1980's. "

    Well I won't speak about the 80s since I don't know much about it. Personally I was hoping BYU would be brought into the PAC12 with Utah rather than Colorado. BYU is certainly worthy of being in a BCS conference since BYU and Utah have averaged around 30th in the Sagarin rankings over the past 5 years.

    "in Washington where i live, we get 10,000 BYU fans at road games."

    If it weren't for its church affiliation BYU would not have as big a draw nationally as it does. It would be just like Utah.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    There is no way that Wazzu beats BYu. BYu is America's team. Every living soul hops hopes that BYu is victorious.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    @striker
    "A certain team in Utah doesn't want to play BYU and has the SEC attitude of padding your schedule "

    Replacing BYU with Michigan is not padding...

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 25, 2012 5:27 p.m.

    Chris B you have got to stop! At least read stuff before setting yourself up for foot n mouthitis... It is really getting rather bothersome that someone can sonsistently post such nonsense improperly 'researched'. Case in point? Here ya go. Try to read it this time! “I’m very excited because hopefully it’s something that will continue to grow from here,” Bielema said. “There have been talks beyond next year and that’s very intriguing to me.”

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 25, 2012 5:23 p.m.

    re: chris b. Read the article it was the Wisc. coach who said he hoped it would become a rivalry game. So I guess...sure, let's call it a rivalry THEY want it. Unlike your yewts who want to get rid of it. Lot of teams waiting to pick up the Cougs...it means money and exposure!!!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    BYu is in trouble. It is that simple folks!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Great job of scheduling by Holmoe,it was only a matter of time before BYU starting getting big time opponents to schedule them. BYU has always been able to get big time opponents to play them, they just needed time to settle into their independence and now that they have future schedules are looking real good. Sorry Utah trolls but no matter how frantically you try to dismiss BYUs schedule or down play teams really wanting to play BYU its not gonna work, simple fact is teams like Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Boise State, Texas, etc. see real value in playing a quality program like BYU.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    GoRed:

    Maybe you should change your handle to ''GoRead.' it was Wisconsin's coach that brought up the word rivalry.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2012 5:14 p.m.

    YGradFan
    CENTERVILLE, UT
    @WACPaddingOurSchedule, wow, did you really go through the Wisconsin articles to gather this information?

    "If read what is being said up in Wisconsin. This means nothing. They expect BYU to be a cupcake, not a rival."

    I'm impressed you spent so much time looking this up. Shows how dedicated you are to all things BYU!

    __________

    It was brought to my attention first by a Badger alumn.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 25, 2012 5:11 p.m.

    Chris B - "Either you are in a BCS league and thus part of the national discussion(except Notre Dame) or you are not. Simple as that."

    Too bad for U. After next year, Utah is not in a BCS league. Then what?

    Chris B - "BYU loses one game and your season is over. No national championship talk."

    Do you really think Utah has a shot at a national championship with one loss? Get real. There are only a handful of schools that have a chance of being in the Top 4 with one loss and neither BYU nor Utah are among those schools. It will take an undefeated season for either school to be in the national championship talk.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 25, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    RE: GoRed

    "the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU is."

    I assure you a few of us do. I'm very excited about being able to watch the Cougs in South Bend this fall and then again in Madison next year. Please, please keep scheduling big time games out here.

    WACpaddingourschedules, which papers do you read? I'd like to find a few more that write about BYU football. They are the only Utah football team that is ever discussed out here.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:01 p.m.

    @IndeMak

    Nice try but warm up games are at the beginning of the season, not the end sandwiched in between conference games. Put in another quarter and try again.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 5:00 p.m.

    @Cougars1,

    Sir, BYu can no longer compete in the 21st century. It is that simple, sir. Say what you will, but the entir world knows my friend.

  • Ironhide Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    always worth a laugh to see how many utes come comment on a BYU article. Remember, the more you bash BYU, the worse it makes your tradition-less, upstart program look. The u is work in progress and well on its way to consistant success for the first time in it's history, but keep pining. It fits u perfectly.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:49 p.m.

    "Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things up."

    nwcoug,

    UH has ALWAYS made things up. Not just now. That is how he rolls and why no one on these boards believes anything he says. Can you say 0 credibility?

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Wisconsin used UNLV for years as their yearly MWC warm up game. Next cream puff......BYU.

    Bronco's days are numbered.

    I actually respect Holmoe for getting some better games later in the season.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    "Future plans for the series will be announced at a later date"

    Yeah, once every 33 years.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    2012
    Utah 32
    byu 10

    riley 4 turnovers

    Mark it down

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 25, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Lastly, it must be hard to be a Ute fan like these posters. Most rationale Ute fans realize that if it wasn't for it's church affiliation, BYU would have been in the Big 12 or Pac 12 back in the 1980's. I am glad the silly BCS designation will be gone soon. Utah fans will have nothing to claim superiority in the hierarchy of college football over BYU. Utah gets it's prestige on the back of the USC's, Stanford's, annd Oregon's of the world. BYU has and will continue to make it's name on it's own. Utah is a nice regional program, but in Washington where i live, we get 10,000 BYU fans at road games.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:27 p.m.

    Counter Intelligence

    Salt Lake City, UT

    "Utah-Hawaii Alum
    Mildred in Fillmore
    Chris B

    You are the reason I stopped attending Utah games"

    Need a tissue?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 4:26 p.m.

    BYu demanding a 2 for 1 with Utah State was a Klassy move???? Predictable, however. I'm proud that Utah was considerate to our friends up north. I just hope they don't beat us in Logan.........it could happen, folks!

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 25, 2012 4:23 p.m.

    Good comment counter intelligence. I am sitting here with my brother and father in law who are huge U fans. They can't stand people like those who cloak their hatred for other things in football. I totally respect the fact that Utah has made this a rivalry. For the first 20 years of my life, Utah won once or twice. With few exceptions, over the last 15 years this has been a great rivalry. I think Utah fans will be surprised when this is a great game this year.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Here are a few highlights from the article on UWBadgers.com:

    "Home game vs. BYU highlights 2013 schedule, but required cooperation, creativity"

    "Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema anticipates a developing rivalry with BYU now that the Cougars have been added to the 2013 home schedule and future dates are also being discussed."

    “I’m very excited because hopefully it’s something that will continue to grow from here,” Bielema said.

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 25, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Now the Utah Hawaii Alum guy is just making things up. The only team that has a 2-1 is Notre Dame. The rest are all home and away schedules. I love how he tried to put Utah in the same group...funny. The Nebraska one was a fill the schedule move for BYU and that's fine. Notice how Notre Dame will have come to Provo 4 times. Utah....One and done in South Bend. Not worth the trip to play a regional program.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 25, 2012 4:20 p.m.

    Dear Chris B, Naval Vet, Utah Hawaii Alum, Hedgie and others - We continue to appreciate your obsession with the Cougs. Thank you!

    Please read the article - it is the Wisconsin coach who brought up th word rivalry, not BYU - although I would like to see it turn into a regular game as well.

    The Wisconsin State Journal reported the home and home series, not BYU. Don't blame it on a BYU tweeter.

    Some people need to get their facts straight so they don't continue to display their ignorance.

    This should put an end to the banter about BYU's November schedule. 2013 easily eclipses Utah's strength of schedule. I'm hoping the last two games, to be scheduled, will be teams like UNLV or Wyoming.

    We will be extremely young and inexperienced in 2013. I'd be delighted with an 8 - 5 or 9 - 4 record and no embarassing losses.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 4:19 p.m.

    Where is Idaho Falls? I heard it is in Yemen? Is that true?

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 25, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Inspite of all the naysayers, there are many teams that are willing to play BYU. They know it is a quality program, just as Michigan and other teams want to play Utah.

    The challenge for both BYU and Utah is not to lose, not to "just be competitive", but to WIN. Respect comes from winning.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:16 p.m.

    @WACPaddingOurSchedule, wow, did you really go through the Wisconsin articles to gather this information?

    "If read what is being said up in Wisconsin. This means nothing. They expect BYU to be a cupcake, not a rival."

    I'm impressed you spent so much time looking this up. Shows how dedicated you are to all things BYU!

  • nwcoug White Salmon, WA
    July 25, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    Belema said in an interview with the Milwaukee Journal Sentinal that they were working on the date for the return trip to Provo. Sorry Utah-Hawaii Alum, BYU does not need the a conference to get big programs to come to Provo. (see Penn State, Miami, Florida State, Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Texas, and more to come). Utah doesn't get these games without getting into the PAC 12. And to Cris B...No such thing after next year as BCS. Sorry, but your PAC 12 isn't any more of an advantage to get to the National Semi Final than BYU future schedule. If BYU goes unbeaten in 2014 with their schedule, they would get in the playoff. For the record, I don't think they will. Utah would also have to go unbeaten to get their too.

    Run to SOS numbers for the 2013 schedule. BYU's is higher than Utah's based on the teams they play and their current ratings. The further evidence that some (not all) Utah fans can't get over baby brother syndrome is the fact that they show up and post on BYU articles that have nothing to do with Utah.

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    Wow... Utah-Hawaii Alum is giving Chris B as the biggest BYU article troll. 10 Comments on here and 3 are your comment. By the way, neither you or Chrissy read the article you would see it was Bielema who brought up the notion of it being a rivalry. Get a clue.

    "Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema told UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with BYU.
    Im very excited because hopefully its something that will continue to grow from here, Bielema said. There have been talks beyond next year and thats very intriguing to me."

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    July 25, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    "We did everything we could to make the 2013 schedule as good as we could."

    That is what BYU is doing too. Look at 2013!! A certain team in Utah doesn't want to play BYU and has the SEC attitude of padding your schedule cuz the conference is too tough. I admire coaches and AD's who make great schedules, which makes for a great season. Kind of the Pat Hill and his "any team, anywhere" mentality. Props to BYU and Wisconsin for scheduling tough, and not playing it safe.

    "the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU is."

    Ignorance and hatred at its best right there. I've been to Wisconsin many, many times, and those football fans are as educated as anyone else. They know exactly who BYU is. Get real.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:09 p.m.

    @GoRed

    Did you even read the article? It was the Wisconsin HC who threw out the rivalry word.

    "Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema told UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with BYU."

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    I don't see Wisconsin being a rival. Notre Dame makes a lot more sense if they end up scheduled for more than half of the years over the next decade (that's why Colorado has potential with Utah, because they won't stop playing them after two years).

    @Chris B
    "2012
    byu 7-6
    utah 11-2"

    We could wait til they play the games. Exact predictions are silly anyway. Too many variables, one of which is Wynn's health.

    Just looking at the two schedules suggests that 8-4 or 9-3 is pretty likely (not guaranteed) for both schools. I think BYU has a slight advantage since their schedule is a bit easier than Utah's.

    Even if one thinks it's more likely than not for Utah to beat ASU, UCLA, Cal, WU, WSU, and BYU... if they have 67% odds of winning against those teams that's still a predicted 2 losses among those 6 games (and I'd put odds closer to 60% than 2/3). That still leaves USC (likely loss) and the other 5 games (likely wins but hey, upsets happen). So predicting 3-4 losses is logical. Same concept for BYU.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 25, 2012 4:07 p.m.

    Who is utah?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 4:04 p.m.

    Wisconsin threw a 2 for 1 bone to BYu like Utah, UT, GTech, ND, but Nebraska gave them a 1 and done for giggles. But, Wisconsin hasn't committed for a return game, nor will they. 2013 will destroy whatever BYu seems to think about who they are. It is BYu Idaho in the making. They will just get crucified!!!!!!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2012 4:00 p.m.

    If read what is being said up in Wisconsin. This means nothing.
    They expect BYU to be a cupcake, not a rival. They have plenty of rivals in the Big 10.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Hey Ute Trolls...read the article again. It isn't BYU that's calling this a rivalry, but Wisconsin's coach:

    "Wisconsin coach Bret Bielema told UWBadgers.com that he is looking to develop a rivalry with BYU."

    BYU simply referred to them as a quality opponent. If the Badgers want to make it a rivalry, then more power to 'em. Would prefer them over our little brothers up north!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    @RepresentBlue
    "I dont see BYU winning more than 6-7 games in 2013 since they will be breaking in a new QB and rebuilding most of their defense. "

    As fun as it might be as a Ute to taunt and agree, I'll be a voice of reason and note that it's entirely possible some of those opponents that year that are good teams now could also be rebuilding that year. Something like 8-4 + bowl game is perfectly reasonable with the schedule assuming the remaining two games with easy opponents (I wouldn't even rule out something like 9-3 + bowl) though I'd consider 7-5 + bowl to be most likely.

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    If byu fans think Utah fans are drunk and hostile, wait till they go to Camp Randall. If you dont believe me look up The Chant aka P vs O. Good luck with that rivalry cougs

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 3:43 p.m.

    This game was leaked on Twitter two weeks ago by BYu people. There is no return game at LES. That is fiction. Wisconsin needed a cupcake and returned Holmoe's frantic call is all.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 25, 2012 3:42 p.m.

    The coach is the one saying rivalry. Not BYU

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    A new rival? That's a bit of a stretch, considering that they've played exactly one time, and the people of Wisconsin are hardly aware of who BYU is.

    Nice try.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 25, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    Rival, or daddy? This is a one and done warm-up game for Wisconsin. They will just pound BYu relentlessly.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    Wisconsin better hope to just be able to compete with BYU, let alone win.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    LOL

    Notre Dame and Wisconsin are now your "rivals"

    Too bad they don't feel the same way.

    Either you are in a BCS league and thus part of the national discussion(except Notre Dame) or you are not. Simple as that.

    BYU loses one game(which always happens within the first two games of the season) and your season is over. No BCS games. No conference title. No national championship talk. No national attention. Nothing. Over.

    2012
    byu 7-6

    utah 11-2

    byu fans,

    remind me what your record is against the best 7 or 8 teams you've played the last 2 years?

    0-8 right? LOL LOL LOL

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 25, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    Yes! Hmmm and there goes the arguments about a weak November schedule. Wisconsin and Notre Dame in November. Looking good Cougs!

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    LOVE the great games Holmoe is scheduling but I dont see BYU winning more than 6-7 games in 2013 since they will be breaking in a new QB and rebuilding most of their defense. Bronco better figure out a way to get his younger players plenty of playing time this season to prepare them for the buzz saw they will be running into the next season.