Comments about ‘Utah Utes football: Utes picked to finish second in South Division in Pac-12 preseason media poll’

@ NC Frogs 2010
Pretty Simple, they put $2 million in the pot. They earned an extra $300,000 for being part of the conference. Washingtion State, Arizona, Colorado, USC and Oregon State did not go to a bowl, therefore didn't contribute to the Bowl Pot, but still got paid. In conclusion; it's reall simple $2 mil or $2.3 mill > $.5 mill (BYU payout). Being part of a conference pays; would you like me to explain how Utah will receive the $20+ million becuse of the PAC 12 TV agreement? You seem to have trouble grasping the concept that $2 million is greater than $.5 million.

@motorbike

Of course BYU fans can say the same thing about utah "fans", you are just to blinded with crimson to see why.

Everytime some utah "fan" tries to claim 6 years of ok success translates to 40 years wiorth of it I just think how pathetic it is that they actually believe it.

Do you know how ridiculous all of you sound when you try to claim that wniing 2 bowl games in some way comes anywhere near BYU's decades long list of acheivements. Achievments that not only inlcude almost every single top individual honor that can be bestowed on a college football player but also actually winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

Next time you want to pull the "pathetic" card out of your pocket go and take a quick glance in that crimson colored mirror located in the porta potty at the double wide on the hill and then get back to us.

LOL!

Enjoyed watching the recap of the PAC-12 media day, especially the part with the Utes. Cannot wait for the season to begin.

My favorite time of year is here!

No Conference Championship for U

"TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game."

You're seriously comparing a Friday morning start to a Saturday afternoon start?

Fortunately, the bean counters at ESPN are smart enough to figure how time slots affect ratings.

Seriously, though, the fact that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for BYU's bowl win, with such a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah with their more favorable time slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's football program has built for the last four decades, and how little respect Utah really has on a national basis.

The pollsters understand the significant difference between being a power in a power conference, and being a bottom dweller.

11 of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we need to know about the real drawing power of BYU football.

@duckhunter

It only weakens your argument to play the "national championship" card, since it is generally considered a joke among the football college world. BYU was awarded this 3 decades ago out of default. They were the only undefeated team that year, and beat a 6-6 Michigan team in a minor bowl by one touchdown.

Utah, on the other hand, has gone undefeated twice in the past eight years, including beating a former #1 Alabama team by a larger margin of victory than Florida, the eventual "national champion". But the powers-that-be wouldn't allow Utah, the only undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the National Championship because of prejudice against the smaller "mid-major" teams, originating from BYU's 1984 "national championship by default".

I hope that helps to clear up any misconception you have as to the validity of your "national championship".

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA
No Conference Championship for U

"TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game."

You're seriously comparing a Friday morning start to a Saturday afternoon start?

Fortunately, the bean counters at ESPN are smart enough to figure how time slots affect ratings.

Seriously, though, the fact that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for BYU's bowl win, with such a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah with their more favorable time slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's football program has built for the last four decades, and how little respect Utah really has on a national basis.

The pollsters understand the significant difference between being a power in a power conference, and being a bottom dweller.

11 of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we need to know about the real drawing power of BYU football.

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More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract.

Good points Gored

It's also important to remember that that same Alabama team went undefeated and won the NC the very next year.

Beating on your chest over a National Championship, played alomst 30 years ago, won against a 6-6 Michigan team, and defeating no final top 20 teams in the process.

LOL!

gored

I am a Utah man and I live across the green... with jealousy!

Don't you Utah fans get it? None of your whiney spin will ever change the fact that

BYU was chosen as the CONCENSUS MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPION for 1984 by EVERY major selecting organization recognized by the NCAA.

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WACpaddled

"More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract."

The only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who obviously can't connect the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11 of BYU's 13 game if BYU isn't drawing enough viewers to justify televising that many games.

Cougars - Wise Older Brothers
Anaheim, CA

WACpaddled

"More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract."

The only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who obviously can't connect the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11 of BYU's 13 game if BYU isn't drawing enough viewers to justify televising that many games.

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Based upon what criteria? Ever wonder why so many games are TBD? BYU is not the only football entity that ESPN has a contract with. If this was so great, BYU games would be prime time, top spot, for each game. Yes you have a contract, but I have news for you, not everyone is watching. Go wave your meaningless sticky note in the air somewhere else.

WACpaddled

denial isn't just a river that flows through Egypt, it flow freely from the kids on the hill.

BYU is the ONLY school that has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN programming executes have expressed on many occassions how much they value ESPN's partnership with BYU.

Now who are we to believe, ESPN executives, or jealous whiney kids on the hill?

Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

Good morning Utesies!

gored

"But the powers-that-be wouldn't allow Utah, the only undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the National Championship because of prejudice against the smaller "mid-major" teams, originating from BYU's 1984 "national championship by default"."

So now you're blaming BYU for not getting an NC in 2008? LOL

Time to move on buddy, lamenting over something that the rest of the nation voted you not to have is not healthy. There's a list of reasons as to why the Utes did not get an NC, look to your non-existent legacy as a starter, and your propensity to losing to 10 loss teams.

On the other hand just remember, BYU WAS voted to have this honor... UNANIMOUSLY !!! BYU was the best in 1984, U were not in 2008.

Get over it.

AZUTE1

It's ironic that a Utah fan would be using the exact same "weak" schedule argument for BYU 1984 that was used against Utah in 2004 by all of the bcs snobs and which Utah fans whined about incessantly.

You're just jealous that, unlike Utah, BYU was able to overcome the "weak" schedule argument through six years of football excellence (from 1979 to 1984) that makes everything that Utah has accomplished in their entire football history pale in comparison.

@mussingaround

Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last five years.

BYU has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in BYU's ENTIRE HISTORY.

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Big deal, still highly unlikely!

Utah has lost to THREE 10-loss teams in its entire history and BYU lost TWICE.

The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed by a ONE win team.

2011
@Colorado (3-10) 17
Utah (8-5) 14

2007
@UNLV (2-10) 27
Utah (9-4) 0

1992
UTEP (1-10) 20
Utah (6-6) 13

1985
@UTEP (1-10) 23
#16 BYU (11-3) 16

1976
@KSU (1-10) 13
BYU (9-3) 3

SportsFan
Orem, UT
WACpaddled

denial isn't just a river that flows through Egypt, it flow freely from the kids on the hill.

BYU is the ONLY school that has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN programming executes have expressed on many occassions how much they value ESPN's partnership with BYU.

Now who are we to believe, ESPN executives, or jealous whiney kids on the hill?

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Hello! What else do you expect ESPN execs to say? And what do you think they say to the PAC 12, BIG 12, BIG 10, ACC & BIG East? The same thing. There is nothing exclusive about BYUs contract. They are not the only one to have a contract with ESPN. The only thing exclusive is how you and some other BYU fans look when bragging about the ESPN contract.

Uteology

"The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed by a ONE win team."

The ONLY thing "exposed" is how clueless you are about football history.

BYU did have a one-game meltdown against UTEP 16-23, but it's interesting that you completely ignored the fact that #16/#17 BYU(10-3) barely lost to #6/#7 UCLA(9-2) 24-27, beat #8/#5 Air Force(12-1) 28-21 (probably the best team in Air Force history), and barely lost to #14/#11 Ohio State(9-3) 7-10 in the Citrus Bowl.

The Cougars more than redeemed themselves from that one-game meltdown in 1985.

Unlike the Utes, who didn't come close to being ranked after their twin meltdowns in 2007 and 2011.

btw, BYU hasn't lost to a 10-loss team in 26 years.

Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last 5 years, including last season's meltdown.

"btw, BYU hasn't lost to a 10-loss team in 26 years.

Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last 5 years, including last season's meltdown."

On the flip-side, byu hasn't had even one, single undefeated-season in this same time-frame, UTAH TWICE; Not to mention, ZERO BCS bowl games, UTAH TWO [BOTH Smashing-Wins]--UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.

p.s. What would CU's record have been last year playing byu's WEAK schedule, instead of their BRUTAL schedule?

AZUTE1

Nice try, but in that 26-year time frame:

BYU - 12 Top 25 Finishes, 11 Conference Championships, 1 Heisman Trophy, 2 Davey O'Brien Awards, 2 Sammy Baugh Trophies, 2 Outland Trophies, and 1 Doak Walker Award

Utah - 6 Top 25 Finishes, 5 Conference Championships, ZERO National Individual Awards of any kind

BYU > Utah - it's not even close

Who cares what CU's record would have been with BYU's weak schedule; the real question is, what would Utah have done against BYU's "weak" schedule.

Utah lost to #38 California, #41 ASU, #44 California, and #107 Colorado, and the highest ranked team Utah beat was #34 BYU (before Wynn went down for the season), so it's not unreasonable to suspect that Utah's record against BYU's schedule would have been:

8-5, with no bowl win

at Ole Miss - win
at Texas - loss
BYU - win
UCF - win
Utah St - loss
SJ St - win
at OSU - win
Id St - win
TCU - loss
Idaho - win
NM St - win
at Hawaii - loss
Tulsa - loss

#35 Tulsa was ranked significantly higher than the #56 Georgia Tech team Utah barely beat in the Sun Bowl.

@Sportsfan....Nice try....You byu fans love the '80s, 3 decades ago [LOLLOL], because it's 100% downhill from there for poor, little, irrelevant byu....UTAH would've been in another BCS Bowl Game w/byu's bottom-feeder, WEAK schedule last year.....CU would've been close to one, that's for certain.

UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.

Oh yeah, 54-10 head-to-head on byu's homefield....OUCH!!!!!!!! 2 in a row, 7 out of the last 10 and 52-31-4 overall, UTAH.

NEXT.