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  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 28, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    Jenny83

    "The Utes have had 2 top 5 finishes in the last 8 years and 2 BCS bowl wins. How about the Cougers?"

    Unfortunately for U, Utah's glory days are behind them and the Utes are fading as they watch the Cougars passing them by.

    Last six years

    BYU
    2006 #16/#15 11-2 MWC champion
    2007 #14/#15 11-2 MWC champion
    2008 #25/#21 10-3
    2009 #12/#12 11-2
    2010 unranked 7-6
    2011 unranked/#25 10-3

    Utah
    2006 7-5 unranked
    2007 8-5 unranked
    2008 #2/#4 13-0 MWC champion
    2009 #18/#18 10-3
    2010 unranked/#23
    2011 unranked 8-5

    Overall
    BYU - 5 Top 25 finishes, 3 Top 15 finishes, 2 conference championships, 5 10-win seasons
    Utah - 3 Top 25 finishes, 1 Top 15 finish, 1 conference championship, 3 10-win seasons
    head-to-head - 3-3

    BYU may have played some pathetic teams in 2011, but unlike Utah, BYU didn't LOSE to any pathetic teams.

    Finishing 8th in a mediocre conference and failing to beat a single conference team with a winning record is nothing to beat your chest about.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 28, 2012 12:30 p.m.

    Jenny83

    "BYU fans are beating their chests because they were ranked #25 in one poll at the end of the season last year. You guys played one of the most pathetic schedules in all of college football..."

    BYU finished #25 in Coaches, and barely missed the Top 25 in the AP, finishing at #26.

    Utah on the other hand, lost AT HOME to one of the most pathetic teams in the country, #107 Colorado, a team that was suffering the longest road losing streak in school history.

    Utah would have lost to Texas, TCU, Tulsa, and probably Hawaii and Utah State if the Utes had played BYU's "pathetic" schedule.

    Meanwhile, Utah played SIX PAC 12 teams with LOSING records, and suffered meltdowns, AT HOME, to two of them.

    The Utes have TWO losses to 10-loss teams the last 5 years, but laughably pretend that the loss column doesn't exist for Utah..

    Bottom line:

    BYU is a perennial Top 25 team - 18 of the last 35 years, 5 of the last 6 years.

    Utah has never been more than an occassional Top 25 team, 7 in 48 years, 3 in the last 6.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 28, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    I think it's funny that BYU fans are beating their chests because they were ranked #25 in one poll at the end of the season last year. You guys played one of the most pathetic schedules in all of college football and played mostly WAC teams. Come back down to earth.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 28, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Hey Sportsfan --- You guys can have your 11 top 25 finishes..most of them are closer to 25...How many undefeated Seasons has BYU had in the last 10 years...NONE! The Utes have had 2 top 5 finishes in the last 8 years and 2 BCS bowl wins. How about the Cougers?

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 28, 2012 12:54 a.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA
    WACpaddled

    Unlike dependent U, BYU doesn't need to join a major conference in order to be relevent.

    A Top 25 Finish and 11 games televised by ESPN in BYU's first year of Independence proved that.

    The demise of the bcs and the beginning of a playoff removed the only artificial barrier to playing for a NC, so the only thing BYU has to worry about now is building another team that's good enough to compete for a NC.

    With the schedules BYU is putting together, BYU will have ample opportunity to prove themselves, if they're good enough.

    >>>

    Just how were we relevant last season? We lost to better teams, and beat WAC teams and one bottom feeding SEC team.

    And what about being relevant this season? I just looked at the ESPN 2012 college football schedule for all their networks. So far it looks to me like BYU is on five times so far. Am I reading this wrong? Because There are other schools playing just as many or more than BYU on TV.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 27, 2012 1:48 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    Unlike dependent U, BYU doesn't need to join a major conference in order to be relevent.

    A Top 25 Finish and 11 games televised by ESPN in BYU's first year of Independence proved that.

    The demise of the bcs and the beginning of a playoff removed the only artificial barrier to playing for a NC, so the only thing BYU has to worry about now is building another team that's good enough to compete for a NC.

    With the schedules BYU is putting together, BYU will have ample opportunity to prove themselves, if they're good enough.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 27, 2012 1:24 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    AZUTE1

    "You BYU fans love the '80s"

    BYU fans love the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's - BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977.

    There's not a single decade since the 60's that BYU hasn't finished in the Top 25 more often than Utah.

    FIVE of BYU's 12 Top 25 Finishes since 1986 have come since 2006, almost as many as the whiney Utes have in their ENTIRE football history.

    btw, your 7 of 10 is meaningless when you consider that 5 of the last 7 have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    On a national scale, Utah isn't even close:

    BYU - 18 Top 25 Finishes
    Utah - only 7

    NEXT...

    _________________

    Yet after all this time BYU still has not been officially invited to join a major conference.
    Boise St. & Utah have figured out that in order to get somewhere, you move up.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 27, 2012 6:49 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "You BYU fans love the '80s"

    BYU fans love the 70's, 80's, 90's, and 2000's - BYU has been a perennial Top 25 team since 1977.

    There's not a single decade since the 60's that BYU hasn't finished in the Top 25 more often than Utah.

    FIVE of BYU's 12 Top 25 Finishes since 1986 have come since 2006, almost as many as the whiney Utes have in their ENTIRE football history.

    btw, your 7 of 10 is meaningless when you consider that 5 of the last 7 have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime.

    On a national scale, Utah isn't even close:

    BYU - 18 Top 25 Finishes
    Utah - only 7

    NEXT...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2012 10:53 p.m.

    @Sportsfan....Nice try....You byu fans love the '80s, 3 decades ago [LOLLOL], because it's 100% downhill from there for poor, little, irrelevant byu....UTAH would've been in another BCS Bowl Game w/byu's bottom-feeder, WEAK schedule last year.....CU would've been close to one, that's for certain.

    UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.

    Oh yeah, 54-10 head-to-head on byu's homefield....OUCH!!!!!!!! 2 in a row, 7 out of the last 10 and 52-31-4 overall, UTAH.

    NEXT.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 10:39 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Nice try, but in that 26-year time frame:

    BYU - 12 Top 25 Finishes, 11 Conference Championships, 1 Heisman Trophy, 2 Davey O'Brien Awards, 2 Sammy Baugh Trophies, 2 Outland Trophies, and 1 Doak Walker Award

    Utah - 6 Top 25 Finishes, 5 Conference Championships, ZERO National Individual Awards of any kind

    BYU > Utah - it's not even close

    Who cares what CU's record would have been with BYU's weak schedule; the real question is, what would Utah have done against BYU's "weak" schedule.

    Utah lost to #38 California, #41 ASU, #44 California, and #107 Colorado, and the highest ranked team Utah beat was #34 BYU (before Wynn went down for the season), so it's not unreasonable to suspect that Utah's record against BYU's schedule would have been:

    8-5, with no bowl win

    at Ole Miss - win
    at Texas - loss
    BYU - win
    UCF - win
    Utah St - loss
    SJ St - win
    at OSU - win
    Id St - win
    TCU - loss
    Idaho - win
    NM St - win
    at Hawaii - loss
    Tulsa - loss

    #35 Tulsa was ranked significantly higher than the #56 Georgia Tech team Utah barely beat in the Sun Bowl.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    "btw, BYU hasn't lost to a 10-loss team in 26 years.

    Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last 5 years, including last season's meltdown."

    On the flip-side, byu hasn't had even one, single undefeated-season in this same time-frame, UTAH TWICE; Not to mention, ZERO BCS bowl games, UTAH TWO [BOTH Smashing-Wins]--UTAH > byu, HANDS-DOWN.

    p.s. What would CU's record have been last year playing byu's WEAK schedule, instead of their BRUTAL schedule?

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 26, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Uteology

    "The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed by a ONE win team."

    The ONLY thing "exposed" is how clueless you are about football history.

    BYU did have a one-game meltdown against UTEP 16-23, but it's interesting that you completely ignored the fact that #16/#17 BYU(10-3) barely lost to #6/#7 UCLA(9-2) 24-27, beat #8/#5 Air Force(12-1) 28-21 (probably the best team in Air Force history), and barely lost to #14/#11 Ohio State(9-3) 7-10 in the Citrus Bowl.

    The Cougars more than redeemed themselves from that one-game meltdown in 1985.

    Unlike the Utes, who didn't come close to being ranked after their twin meltdowns in 2007 and 2011.

    btw, BYU hasn't lost to a 10-loss team in 26 years.

    Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last 5 years, including last season's meltdown.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 26, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    WACpaddled

    denial isn't just a river that flows through Egypt, it flow freely from the kids on the hill.

    BYU is the ONLY school that has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN programming executes have expressed on many occassions how much they value ESPN's partnership with BYU.

    Now who are we to believe, ESPN executives, or jealous whiney kids on the hill?

    ____________

    Hello! What else do you expect ESPN execs to say? And what do you think they say to the PAC 12, BIG 12, BIG 10, ACC & BIG East? The same thing. There is nothing exclusive about BYUs contract. They are not the only one to have a contract with ESPN. The only thing exclusive is how you and some other BYU fans look when bragging about the ESPN contract.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 26, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    @mussingaround

    Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last five years.

    BYU has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in BYU's ENTIRE HISTORY.

    -----------

    Big deal, still highly unlikely!

    Utah has lost to THREE 10-loss teams in its entire history and BYU lost TWICE.

    The difference, your #16 defending champion got exposed by a ONE win team.

    2011
    @Colorado (3-10) 17
    Utah (8-5) 14

    2007
    @UNLV (2-10) 27
    Utah (9-4) 0

    1992
    UTEP (1-10) 20
    Utah (6-6) 13

    1985
    @UTEP (1-10) 23
    #16 BYU (11-3) 16

    1976
    @KSU (1-10) 13
    BYU (9-3) 3

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 26, 2012 9:28 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    It's ironic that a Utah fan would be using the exact same "weak" schedule argument for BYU 1984 that was used against Utah in 2004 by all of the bcs snobs and which Utah fans whined about incessantly.

    You're just jealous that, unlike Utah, BYU was able to overcome the "weak" schedule argument through six years of football excellence (from 1979 to 1984) that makes everything that Utah has accomplished in their entire football history pale in comparison.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 26, 2012 7:23 a.m.

    Good morning Utesies!

    gored

    "But the powers-that-be wouldn't allow Utah, the only undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the National Championship because of prejudice against the smaller "mid-major" teams, originating from BYU's 1984 "national championship by default"."

    So now you're blaming BYU for not getting an NC in 2008? LOL

    Time to move on buddy, lamenting over something that the rest of the nation voted you not to have is not healthy. There's a list of reasons as to why the Utes did not get an NC, look to your non-existent legacy as a starter, and your propensity to losing to 10 loss teams.

    On the other hand just remember, BYU WAS voted to have this honor... UNANIMOUSLY !!! BYU was the best in 1984, U were not in 2008.

    Get over it.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 26, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools. And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule. They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 25, 2012 10:24 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    denial isn't just a river that flows through Egypt, it flow freely from the kids on the hill.

    BYU is the ONLY school that has an exclusive contract with ESPN and ESPN programming executes have expressed on many occassions how much they value ESPN's partnership with BYU.

    Now who are we to believe, ESPN executives, or jealous whiney kids on the hill?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2012 8:21 p.m.

    Cougars - Wise Older Brothers
    Anaheim, CA

    WACpaddled

    "More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
    You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract."

    The only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who obviously can't connect the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11 of BYU's 13 game if BYU isn't drawing enough viewers to justify televising that many games.

    ____________________

    Based upon what criteria? Ever wonder why so many games are TBD? BYU is not the only football entity that ESPN has a contract with. If this was so great, BYU games would be prime time, top spot, for each game. Yes you have a contract, but I have news for you, not everyone is watching. Go wave your meaningless sticky note in the air somewhere else.

  • Cougars - Wise Older Brothers Anaheim, CA
    July 25, 2012 6:33 p.m.

    gored

    I am a Utah man and I live across the green... with jealousy!

    Don't you Utah fans get it? None of your whiney spin will ever change the fact that

    BYU was chosen as the CONCENSUS MAJOR COLLEGE FOOTBALL NATIONAL CHAMPION for 1984 by EVERY major selecting organization recognized by the NCAA.

    -------------

    WACpaddled

    "More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
    You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract."

    The only twisted logic is from a jealous Utah fan who obviously can't connect the dots that ESPN isn't going to televise 11 of BYU's 13 game if BYU isn't drawing enough viewers to justify televising that many games.

  • 112 Pack Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    Beating on your chest over a National Championship, played alomst 30 years ago, won against a 6-6 Michigan team, and defeating no final top 20 teams in the process.

    LOL!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 25, 2012 4:31 p.m.

    Good points Gored

    It's also important to remember that that same Alabama team went undefeated and won the NC the very next year.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    mussingaround
    Palo Alto, CA
    No Conference Championship for U

    "TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game."

    You're seriously comparing a Friday morning start to a Saturday afternoon start?

    Fortunately, the bean counters at ESPN are smart enough to figure how time slots affect ratings.

    Seriously, though, the fact that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for BYU's bowl win, with such a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah with their more favorable time slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's football program has built for the last four decades, and how little respect Utah really has on a national basis.

    The pollsters understand the significant difference between being a power in a power conference, and being a bottom dweller.

    11 of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we need to know about the real drawing power of BYU football.

    __________

    More twisted logic from a BYU fan.
    You don't understand what ratings are? Does not matter how many times you are on TV. Ratings are what matters and will determine what ESPN does with the contract.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 25, 2012 3:49 p.m.

    @duckhunter

    It only weakens your argument to play the "national championship" card, since it is generally considered a joke among the football college world. BYU was awarded this 3 decades ago out of default. They were the only undefeated team that year, and beat a 6-6 Michigan team in a minor bowl by one touchdown.

    Utah, on the other hand, has gone undefeated twice in the past eight years, including beating a former #1 Alabama team by a larger margin of victory than Florida, the eventual "national champion". But the powers-that-be wouldn't allow Utah, the only undefeated team in 2008, to be awarded the National Championship because of prejudice against the smaller "mid-major" teams, originating from BYU's 1984 "national championship by default".

    I hope that helps to clear up any misconception you have as to the validity of your "national championship".

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 25, 2012 3:28 p.m.

    No Conference Championship for U

    "TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game."

    You're seriously comparing a Friday morning start to a Saturday afternoon start?

    Fortunately, the bean counters at ESPN are smart enough to figure how time slots affect ratings.

    Seriously, though, the fact that BYU got more respect from the pollsters for BYU's bowl win, with such a crummy television time slot, compared to Utah with their more favorable time slot, speaks volumes for the respect BYU's football program has built for the last four decades, and how little respect Utah really has on a national basis.

    The pollsters understand the significant difference between being a power in a power conference, and being a bottom dweller.

    11 of 13 BYU games on ESPN in 2011 tells us all we need to know about the real drawing power of BYU football.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 25, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Enjoyed watching the recap of the PAC-12 media day, especially the part with the Utes. Cannot wait for the season to begin.

    My favorite time of year is here!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    @motorbike

    Of course BYU fans can say the same thing about utah "fans", you are just to blinded with crimson to see why.

    Everytime some utah "fan" tries to claim 6 years of ok success translates to 40 years wiorth of it I just think how pathetic it is that they actually believe it.

    Do you know how ridiculous all of you sound when you try to claim that wniing 2 bowl games in some way comes anywhere near BYU's decades long list of acheivements. Achievments that not only inlcude almost every single top individual honor that can be bestowed on a college football player but also actually winning the NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP.

    Next time you want to pull the "pathetic" card out of your pocket go and take a quick glance in that crimson colored mirror located in the porta potty at the double wide on the hill and then get back to us.

    LOL!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    @ NC Frogs 2010
    Pretty Simple, they put $2 million in the pot. They earned an extra $300,000 for being part of the conference. Washingtion State, Arizona, Colorado, USC and Oregon State did not go to a bowl, therefore didn't contribute to the Bowl Pot, but still got paid. In conclusion; it's reall simple $2 mil or $2.3 mill > $.5 mill (BYU payout). Being part of a conference pays; would you like me to explain how Utah will receive the $20+ million becuse of the PAC 12 TV agreement? You seem to have trouble grasping the concept that $2 million is greater than $.5 million.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 25, 2012 2:18 p.m.

    mussingaround

    The final rankings speak for themselves:

    BYU's bowl win was more impressive than Utah's bowl win.

    -----

    TV ratings also speak for themselves. More people watched the Sun Bowl than our game.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    July 25, 2012 1:46 p.m.

    As a big USC fan, I think it is too bad that the yearly rivalry game between Utah and BYU will be gone. Those kinds of games are important to keep the interest up, even when the teams may be having a bad season. USC has a couple rivalry games every year with Notre Dame and UCLA. Utah has shown it can play with anyone and should fair pretty well in the PAC 12. I don't think they will have very many seasons being a doormat, as all teams are occasionally. I hope they do well, even though I will be for USC come gametime.

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    July 25, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute

    So...if the net shared payout in the Pac10 is $2.3 million, and the Utes only "earned" $2million from their bowl game, how exactly did they earn their "share?" It seems to me that others had to pay their way...reluctantly.

  • Itchy Lehi, UT
    July 25, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    I actually like the Utes chances against USC. The game is in SLC, the Utes will want to prove themselves after losing last year's game, and quite frankly I think USC's arrogance will ultimately be their undoing. I'm more paranoid that they might lay another egg against Colorado or some other bottom dwelling team.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    July 25, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    I graduated from USU and was raised cheering for the cougars. Other than those two games each year (when they play each year), I cheer for the Utes. Great that they are picked to come in second in the south. Hopefully they can pull out the upset of USC in Salt Lake this year. GO Utah teams.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 25, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    Uteology

    "more like ~3% chance"

    You're not even close - count up the number of 10-loss teams Utah has played in the last five years, then calculate Utah's percentage against 10-loss teams during the last five years.

    Here's a hint:

    Utah has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in the last five years.

    BYU has lost to TWO 10-loss teams in BYU's ENTIRE HISTORY.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 25, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    mussingaround

    As we've seen time and time again, there are no gimmes on Utah's schedule, except possibly Northern Colorado. The Utes are just as likely to lose to a 10-loss team, as to a 5-loss team.

    The only gimme is byu, that was way to easy.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    Dissapointed? Losing at home to your rival 54-10; now that would be dissapointing! Oh the Horror!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    @ NC Frog 2010
    No, your origional post was inaccurate; as you didn't understand how the bowl pay out works. As far as relying on others; The Sun Bowl paid $2 million, or 4x the poinsettia bowl. You could argue that teams such as WSU rely on other since they didn't contribute to the bowl payout, but Utah certainly did their part.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2012 12:38 p.m.

    @MUSS: "As we've seen time and time again, there are no gimmes on Utah's schedule, except possibly Northern Colorado."

    The last D2 Montana played Utah tougher than BYU did last year. I don't think Northern Colorado will quit, can't guarantee that about BYU. The 7 of 10 suggests BYU is the gimme this year, 70% of the times Utah has beat BYU over the last 10 years.

    "The Utes are just as likely to lose to a 10-loss team, as to a 5-loss team."

    Not really, more like ~3% chance.

    In the last 61 games Utah only lost 2 games to a team with 8 or more losses; for comparison BYU only once:

    Utah lost Colorado (3-10) and got hammered @UNLV (2-8) in 2007.
    BYU got hammered 4-8 @Utah State (4-8) in 2010.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 25, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice dodge... now tell us about ALL of UTAH's losses and stop pretending they never happened.

    -----------

    Spokane Ute

    "I will be dissapointed if the Utes finish any thing less than 10-3, with an Alamo bowl bid (and victory) which pays..."

    Prepare to be disappointed...

    As we've seen time and time again, there are no gimmes on Utah's schedule, except possibly Northern Colorado. The Utes are just as likely to lose to a 10-loss team, as to a 5-loss team.

    As for bowl games...

    Just like the Sun Bowl and Armed Forces Bowls last year, except for the $$$, there's little difference between the relevance of the Alama Bowl and the Poinsettia Bowl.

    case in point:

    Utah beats Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl and DROPS in Sagarin, while not picking up a single vote in either the AP or Coaches Polls.

    BYU beats Tulsa in the Armed Forces Bowls and leaps past Utah in Sagarin, jumps into the Coaches Top 25, and finishes just barely out of the AP Top 25 at #26.

    The final rankings speak for themselves:

    BYU's bowl win was more impressive than Utah's bowl win.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 25, 2012 12:03 p.m.

    "Pathetic" a word you coug fans like to use a whole bunch. What's pathetic is byu is still nothing playing for nothing and you y fans really think you are playing for something. Keep up the pathetic hate you all have.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    @Uteology

    You said - "So really only your schedule improved."

    True, that's why, as a Cougar fan I'm so looking forward to this season. No two-headed QB this year which will be a welcome change.

    If they can win even one of their four big road games this year (Utah, Boise State, Georgia Tech, Notre Dame) then I would say the 2012 Cougars will have far surpassed the 2011 Cougars.

    I see both BYU and Utah finishing 9-3 this season.

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    July 25, 2012 11:51 a.m.

    @ Spokane Ute, thanks for reminding me how much the Utes rely on others for their success...which I think was the point of my original post.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    @Swoop

    Uteology

    What about each team's losses?

    *crickets*

    ----------------

    Well you really ONLY had a three game schedule, lets see how you did:

    Utah 54 BYU 10
    Texas 17 BYU 16
    TCU 38 BYU 28

    So really only your schedule improved.

  • ClarkHippo Tooele, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:27 a.m.

    @Chris from Rose Park

    As a fellow Cougar fan, I could not agree more.

    The Utes have an amazing team this season, as they have every season going back to Urban Meyer.

    I'm still a Cougar fan first an foremost, but I respect the Utes a lot. They did well last year and they'll do well again this year.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 25, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    CougFaninTX
    I also think it would take a miracle for Utah to beat USC, but miracles happen just like when U beat Alabama.

    ---------

    Utah 31
    Bama 17

    Is a miracle as much as...

    Utah 54
    BYU 10

    Miracle is when "Harline is still open", "4&18", and "George is still running".

    I hope now you won't confuse a whooshed beating with "miracle" win.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    @ Big Cougar
    I can only speak for myself, but my comment mentions BYU becuase some one was wrong with their information. Why are you commenting about BYU on a Utah article? Who is obsessed with Whom?
    @ Chris from Rose Park
    Spot on and great comment.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    @NC Frogs2010
    "Also, what good does it do to play in a $3 million bowl game if you have to split the proceeds 12 ways? "

    A lot if you're getting a cut from the other PAC-12 schools bowl games. Why do you think only Utah has to share?

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 25, 2012 10:43 a.m.

    This is funny, it's a Utah article and yet 90% of the Ute fans here are posting NOT about Utah football but instead obsessing about BYU.

  • Chris from Rose Park PROVO, UT
    July 25, 2012 10:35 a.m.

    Wow, my fellow Cougars on this board, don't make us all look like silly with your rhetoric. The Utes finishing fourth in their conference behind USC, Oregon, and Stanford would still be success in my book. Those three teams finished in the Top 10 last year. Do you honestly believe the Utes trying to beat those top programs is a bad thing? Even if they lose, they are competing against some of the top competition. We are trying to build that kind of schedule, so don't knock the Utes for already having it.

    For any of you think that I'm a Ute posting as a Cougar, you're wrong, just read statements of mine in the past on our articles.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 25, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Whit has said that pre-season polls don't mean much, and Bronco has said that he wishes there were no rankings until the fourth or fifth week of the season.

    Many highly ranked pre-season teams have bombed. Some teams who weren't ranked in the pre-season have risen to the top.

    As much as I dislike some of the Ute commenters, I still hope Utah wins every game except one each year.

    I would also pick Utah as the #2 team in the South, but with three new coaches at UCLA, UA, and ASU; it wouldn't surprise me if one of those schools had a break-out year. I also think it would take a miracle for Utah to beat USC, but miracles happen just like when U beat Alabama. Utah's fortunes also rest on the health of Wynn. With Wynn at QB, I give the Utes at least two more wins, than if you are forced to rely on your back-up.

    But Barkley has something to prove his senior season, and will do everything he can with a talented team to challenge for the NC. Unfortunately, Trojans will win big is SLC.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 10:19 a.m.

    @ NC Frogs 2010
    Let me help you with your math. The PAC 12 is quarnteed $26,643,750 in bowl pay out, next year. That equals $2,220,312 (per team): which is 4x(+) greater than $500K. Now if two PAC 12 teams play in BCS games, like last year, and additional $17,000,000 is split 12 ways. Last year the PAC 12 was paid out over $31 million, or $2.69 million per team. I hope that helps.

  • NC FROGS 2010 Gilbert, AZ
    July 25, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    As UCLA proved last year...you can finish 2nd in the Pac10 South AND have an overall losing record. Seems appropriate that Utah was picked 2nd in the Pac10 South this year.

    Also, what good does it do to play in a $3 million bowl game if you have to split the proceeds 12 ways? Last I checked $500k was more than $250k since BYU keeps 100% of the proceeds?

  • AZSouthCougar Sierra Vista, AZ
    July 25, 2012 9:51 a.m.

    I guess if you are an underachiever, second place and maybe 4th overall is not so bad. So let's hear it for all of you second place losers in the Ute Nation.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    BYU did improve throughout the season, mostly by virtue of Nelson > Heaps. I'd have picked BYU to narrowly beat Utah if it were a late season game between Nelson and Hays.

    @AZUTE1
    Tulsa had a very good team, their (Tulsa's) 8-4 record understated their performance when you consider who those 4 teams were.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    sammyg

    "It certainly appears that our Ute friends are going to be happy and very satisfied with losing to USC every year, along with Oregon, Stanford and throw in the occasional Colorado and friends."
    _____

    Yes sammy, Ute fans would absolutely rather lose to the teams you listed as apposed to playing an absolutely irrelevant schedule. At least Utah has a chance to do something REAL, versus slipping into the top 25 because they played a bunch of cupcakes. Yay for Coug fans if that's what floats your boat.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    4th best just behind three schools that are likely to be in the top 15 nationwide can still be a very good result.

  • J-TX Allen, TX
    July 25, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    Objectively, i expect USC, UCLA and Arizona to beat Utah. But it doesn't really matter, because the Ducks will take the conference title again, and be in the hunt for a NC.

  • NORCALUTE MoTown, CA
    July 25, 2012 9:17 a.m.

    Let the talkin' happen on the field, the Utes will dominate! Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 25, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    I will be dissapointed if the Utes finish any thing less than 10-3, with an Alamo bowl bid (and victory) which pays $3.125 mill. Toughest games will be @USC, @Washington, and Cal. The best BYU can hope for is a Poinsettia bowl bid which pays $500K. There's a huge difference between the Adult and Kiddie table.

    Go Utes!
    >------->

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    July 25, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    5-4 will be a good year for Utah in the PAC-12; 6-3 will be exceptional; 7-2 or 8-1 are extremely doubtful; 9-0 is only a dream.

    4-5 or 5-4 finishes will be the standard for Utah over the next decade. By then, the "loyal" Ute fans will be staying away in droves and those whose remain will be begging BYU to play them every year again so they can sell some tickets to pay their over-paid coaching staff.

    Utah does not have the money nor the recruiting base to compete in the PAC-12. Utah and Colorado are merely filler teams so that the big boys in the PAC-12 can have a conference championship game.

    You are being used, Utes!

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:51 a.m.

    WACpaddled

    BYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington.
    Utah is 0-7 all time versus Washington.

    Utah is 1-6 versus the SLC YMCA.
    BYU is UNDEFEATED versus the Village People.

    Bwaaaaaa haaaaa haaaaaa haaaah!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:50 a.m.

    It certainly appears that our Ute friends are going to be happy and very satisfied with losing to USC every year, along with Oregon, Stanford and throw in the occasional Colorado and friends.

    It really is funny to see so many Ute fans so happy about this.

    Sure, you get a bowl game, but it's really more like a participation trophy.

    How did 4-5 really feel? Will 5-4 feel that much difference?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 25, 2012 6:38 a.m.

    Uteology

    What about each team's losses?

    *crickets*

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:53 a.m.

    Who finished in the top 25 last year? It wasnt the u. 2nd in the pac 12 south, wow. The pac 12 is picked to be the 2nd weakest bcs conf. this year.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 25, 2012 12:37 a.m.

    No Worf, it is your team that gets owned by USU; remember the last time BYU dared to venture up to Logan? Once again it is too easy.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    This is really entertaining. I hope it helps Utah sell home game tickets. They neeed that, after the last home game of the previous season. I'm assuming that the sports writers picked Utah to beat Colorado this year. They picked them to win last year, too, didn't they? So this is entertaining at this point. Nothing else, though........

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 24, 2012 10:23 p.m.

    Utah's record in the WAC and MWC doesn't jive with a second place finish.

    The south division is rather weak, so just maybe a sixth place finish.

    Utah State 28
    Utah 9

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    Every time a coug fan writes a comment, it just get's more and more pathetic.
    Come on coug fans, you're really reaching when you comment negatively about the Utes on an article about how they've just been rated number 2 in the Pac 12 South.
    I mean seriously, do you know how ridiculous you all sound as you try to spin this as a bad thing?
    Sometimes I feel bad for coug fans.
    Sometimes.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 24, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    Swoop
    Salt Lake City, UT
    AZUTE1

    "Both schools finished the year 5-1"

    Nice spin, but

    BYU's loss was to team ranked #20 in Sagarin.

    Utah's loss was to a team ranked #107 in Sagarin.

    You're only fooling yourself if you think that the rest of the country was impressed with your 5 wins over "bcs" teams that had a COMBINED 20 wins. Keep telling yourself that simply being a "bcs" team makes U or any other conference bottom dweller special.

    ______

    BYU played SEC bottom dweller Ol' Miss last season and barely won. Anything special about that?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 24, 2012 9:40 p.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It?
    Springville, UT
    I just thought of the 17-14 beat down by Colorado. Didn't waste anytime watching it or anything else... the memory initiated non-stop laughing! My side is killing me!

    2nd place in the South Division, ha ha, that's like a tie for 6th, 7th or 8th place isn't it?

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

    _________________

    Yeah ha ha! I can't stop laughing either.

    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado!
    BYU is 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2012 9:20 p.m.

    @Swoop

    And your 5 wins were against?

    #35 Tulsa
    #97 Hawaii
    #133 NMS
    #141 Idaho
    #205 Idaho State

    Avg Ranking: 122

    #56 Georgia Tech
    #64 Arizona
    #66 UCLA
    #83 Washington State
    #87 Oregon State

    Avg Ranking: 71

    The difference, I am just happy we didn't play your schedule.

  • Yerffoegn Maricopa, Az
    July 24, 2012 9:11 p.m.

    Vet. What is it with you and Phil Steele? Every year you quote him. A Ute alum maybe? Already crowing with a second place south finish in a pathetic south. Sure. My prediction. So Cal 1st 8-1, Utah 2nd 4-5, UCLA 4-5. Need I go
    On? Cougsrock!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Both schools finished the year 5-1"

    Nice spin, but

    BYU's loss was to team ranked #20 in Sagarin.

    Utah's loss was to a team ranked #107 in Sagarin.

    You're only fooling yourself if you think that the rest of the country was impressed with your 5 wins over "bcs" teams that had a COMBINED 20 wins. Keep telling yourself that simply being a "bcs" team makes U or any other conference bottom dweller special.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Utah will finish in second place in the PAC 12 South while BYU will win the Independant Conference.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    SCUF

    "Just like Utah was picked 3rd/4th place in Pac-12, BYU was picked to finish
    4th place in Indy--behind Notre Dame, Army, and Navy."

    It's cute how Utah fans just make stuff up when it becomes apparent that they can't hold their own in the verbal jousting.

    ------------

    wallbanger

    "Please explain why BYU "improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season"?:

    It's obvious that BYU found a QB with a never-say-die attitude and a will to win, to lead the Cougars to a 9-1 finish, with a close road loss to Top 25 TCU their only blemish.

    Utah, on the other hand, imploded the remainder of the season, losing 4 of their last 10, including two home losses to teams with losing records.

    The rest of the country obviously saw what our crimson-glasses wearing friends on the hill were too blind to see.

    BYU, a team that improved enough to be ranked in the Final Top 25.
    Utah, a team that wasn't good enough to garner even a single vote.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 24, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    @Snack PAC
    It says that BYU understands that one game does not a season make, and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season, Utah spent the season beating their chests about beating BYU.

    ---------

    Actually, one game does make or break a season... as a mid-major one loss and your out of a BCS berth and into a 3-tire bowl game.

    BTW we didn't just beat you we absolutely demolished you by 44 points.

    And please do tell us who were you beating your chest about beating? At home, Utah State (7-6), Central Florida (5-7), or San Jose State (5-7)? Maybe your biggest road win @Hawaii (6-7)? Or only losing to TCU by 10 points?

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    July 24, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    BYU fan here - second in the PAC 12 south, and essentially 3rd or 4th in the PAC 12 only justifies why the Utes deserved an invite to the PAC 12. Congrats.

    Colorado on the other hand - bad investment by the PAC 12.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 24, 2012 8:48 p.m.

    U90:

    Don't forget that hiccup vs. TCU. I'd say that was pretty much proof positive that they DIDN'T improve as the season went on. They just got easier opponents.

    And as I recall, that was the same fashion in which they closed out 2010. Except for the "cheating" part. I don't believe any cougar alumni had been sitting up in the Replay Booth since then.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 24, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    worf:

    "Northern Colorado 42.....Utah 17.....Ouch!!! This really hurts."

    What hurts? The soul-crushing realization that Utah has a better shot at beating USC, and playing in the 2013 Rose Bowl than they have at losing to No. Colorado by 4 touchdowns?

    "Let's be honest, either New Mexico , UNLV, Air Force, or Wyoming could finish second in this over rated division....I can't stop laughing."

    So now you're laughing? Can you say "bipolar personality disorder"? Okay. So which part was the most funny. The hypocrisy by saying "Let's be honest", then following it up with the rest of that frantic and emotional fantasy? Or was it the thought that Duckhunter and sammyg might actually believe you? Oh to be living in that carefree, blissful world of make-believe.

    P.S.: I'm still laughing that the Big 12 hasn't called yet; leaving you still so WAC-ish and mid-majorey.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 24, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    Utah will finish in last place yet again. I know this because of how lucky they are when they beat us by 44.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    July 24, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    The key to the Utes living up to their ranking is having consistent high level production from the quarterback. I'm excited to see who emerges. Wynn will probably get the early nod, but he's had the same injury two years in a row and his health is definitely a wild card. The coaching staff needs to make sure they have a more productive backup this year. I loved Hays heart last year, and he's my sentimental favorite but he'll need to take some giant leaps forward to compete for 1 or 2. The incoming freshman are exciting additions to the Ute football family.

    Go Utes

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 24, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It?:

    Really? You're laughing because we're predicted to finish 2nd in the Pac-12 South? Wow! You frantic and emotional cougies are really having a difficult time trying to find SOMETHING to trash talk about.

    By the way...had the Big 12 called yet?

    No?

    I thought not.

    Oh well. Mid-majors forever then, I guess. "Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!"

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 24, 2012 8:28 p.m.

    LoL

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 24, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    Snack,

    There is a reason why BYU improved steadily

    Here's the reason.... Central Florida, Utah State, San Jose State, Oregon State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 24, 2012 8:13 p.m.

    Funny thing is, CU played one of the most brutal schedules in the nation last year....In the entire history of byu football, they've never even remotely come close to playing such a difficult schedule....Heck, byu's schedule last year was, literally, more than 4 times as easy as Colorado's....LOL.

    p.s. 54-10 on byu's homefield.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 24, 2012 8:04 p.m.

    I just thought of the 17-14 beat down by Colorado. Didn't waste anytime watching it or anything else... the memory initiated non-stop laughing! My side is killing me!

    2nd place in the South Division, ha ha, that's like a tie for 6th, 7th or 8th place isn't it?

    Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 24, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    I know a few of you don't get the concept but the PAC 12 has two divisions. The number of votes a team received in the poll is only relevant to the prediction within the division. There is no valid comparison to say the Utes finished 4th overall, just as their is no valid comparison to say the Utes finished anywhere other than tied for 3rd in the South Division last year.

    And - it is just a preseason media poll. Nice to get the respect but doesn't mean anything other than that.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    Watched the 54-10 debacle again today.

    Priceless.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 24, 2012 7:27 p.m.

    Both schools finished the year 5-1....While all 5 UTAH wins came against BCS schools, all 5 byu wins came against non-BCS schools, including the following national-powerhouses:

    Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii and Tulsa

    I begin trembling at the thought of my UTES ever braving such a brutal string of teams.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 24, 2012 7:21 p.m.

    @KH--FINALLY, somebody else gets it....And we'll hear a similar tune at the end of next season, right after beats up on Idaho, SJSU & NMSU...."If only we'd played UTAH later in the season when we were, 'hitting our stride'"....Please....UTAH will once again brutalize byu and then move on to playing real teams.

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 24, 2012 7:16 p.m.

    Old Ball and Just the FAX...

    I am marking it down after 10/4, Utah will be 5-0

  • TheHailstorm South Weber, UT
    July 24, 2012 7:16 p.m.

    Utah will being do just fine, the BYU fans should be happy that the Utes are off of the schedule. Anymore beat downs like 48-24 and 54-10 will not look good on that independent resume,
    Muckhunterd days of glory are fading with each comment. I am still laughing over that fat Lie about being in Tulsa.You went to the Y as a guest of one of your parents being on the faculty, so you say,don't you remember the part of the honor code that States " Respect others? "

    Why do you even bother ?
    You should be dancing in the streets knowing that that the Utes are off of the Provo schedule. Anymore beat downs like 48-24 and 54-10 will not look good on that independent resume .

  • KH Holladay, UT
    July 24, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    "and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season...."

    I think Snack Pack meant to say:

    "and towards the end of the season, after byu had played the 3 good teams on their schedule, they played the lower end of the WAC conference....."

    Only a fool would think byu improved over the season. Look at the teams they played toward the end of the season. Any mediocre team would look like the best team in the nation against Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico State, etc. They didn't get better...they just started playing the worst teams in the nation at the end of the year. Look what happened when they played the only 3 decent-good teams last year. Texas? byu lost. Utah? 54-10. TCU? byu lost. They even almost lost to Ole Miss (a 2 win team).

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 24, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    It sure is awesome that we might finish 2nd.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 24, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    Quack Pac

    Please explain why BYU "improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season"? It couldn't be because their November schedule was extremely weak was it? With two bye weeks and all. Yes the Colorado loss was a bit pathetic, but the Utes were only a field goal kick away from tying the game. They weren't absolutely humiliated on their own field by 44 points.

    BYU should spend less time boasting, and more time concentrating on beating good teams with a winning record.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    July 24, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    SoCalutah.....blaaaaaah haaaa haaaa Utah beating USC this year. Just like you beat TCU two years ago at home. SC by 14.... Mark it down!

    Go Trojans!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 24, 2012 6:21 p.m.

    This is just in....

    Just like Utah was picked 3rd/4th place in Pac-12, BYU was picked to finish
    4th place in Indy--behind Notre Dame, Army, and Navy.
    BYU is projected to go to Poinsetta Bowl with a record of 6-6 --wins over Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Idaho, San Jose State, New Mexico State

    Congrats, Cougs--you get what you deserve and want!

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 6:04 p.m.

    "Utes picked to finish second in South Division"

    Second to the only decent team in the Pathetic South!

    *screeeeech*

    Time to organize the parade.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 24, 2012 5:42 p.m.

    williary

    "Utah is picked to finish behind only likely #1 ranked USC"

    It's cute how quickly the kids on the adapt.

    USC is now the football equivalent of Kentucky to Utah basketball.

    Always a bridesmaid; never a bride.

    "We Try Harder" will soon replace "A Utah Man Am I"

    Enjoy!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 24, 2012 5:39 p.m.

    Pre-season polls, rankings, predictions, t-shirts, posters are what giddy Y fans aspire to. I just hope the Utes play well and win..........escpeciially the USC game. Goooooooo Utes!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 24, 2012 5:35 p.m.

    gonefishn

    "If that is truly pathetic what does that say about BYU?"

    It says that BYU understands that one game does not a season make, and while BYU improved steadily throughout the remainder of the season, Utah spent the season beating their chests about beating BYU, while getting throttled by every half-decent team they played the rest of the season.

    Utah should spend less time boasting, and more time concentrating on beating 10-loss teams.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 24, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    SoCalUtahFan

    "Can't wait for October game with USC in Salt Lake City!
    If the Utes win the game..."

    It's laughable that Utah fans think the Utes have a chance of beating USC...

    especially when they spend sooooo much time beating their gums comparing minor differences between Utah's recruits with BYU's recruits...

    and then claiming that BYU will never be able to compete with the mighty PAC 12 Utes...

    yet, those exact same fans develop total amnesia when it comes to pretending that Utah has even the remotest chance of beating USC.

    USC has Top 10 Recuiting Classes EVERY years.

    Utah has NEVER even come close to a Top 20 Recruiting Class.

    btw, what good does it do to play USC relatively closely,

    when you can't even beat one of the worst teams in the country with the division title on the line?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 24, 2012 5:03 p.m.

    "A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is"
    duckhunter

    Says the fan from the team who gave up when playing a PAC12 south school

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 24, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    Let's be honest, either New Mexico , UNLV, Air Force, or Wyoming could finish second in this over rated division.

    I can't stop laughing.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 4:52 p.m.

    OHBU

    "This is by no means a prediction that Utah will win the game"
    _______

    If you want a prediction from a reputable source do a google search for: "Preseason countdown: No. 13 Utah"

    MSN/Fox predicts Utah to upset USC and win the Pac 12 South.

    Happy now?

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 24, 2012 4:43 p.m.

    Northern Colorado 42
    Utah 17

    Ouch!!! This really hurts.

  • Cinci Man FT MITCHELL, KY
    July 24, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Go Utes! I hope you can beat the predictions. Keep your head in the game and come ready to play each week. You have great coaches and great potential. Now it's up to the players and "U" can do it. Keep the business in front of you and don't let arrogance keep you from pure dedication to each and every play. I'll be cheering for you every game this year!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 24, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    Old ball...
    "Yep votes doesn't count on the field.....Utah finishes 3rd at best in the south."

    Perhaps, having only 1 effect your logical thinking...

    Utah will win the South and beating BYU by 44 points again!

  • SoCalUtahFan Irvine, CA
    July 24, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    I am not conceding the season yet.
    Can't wait for October game with USC in Salt Lake City!
    If the Utes win the game, the season will be very, very interesting.

    Even 3rd, 4th place. Sun bowl is still much better than the armed force bowl.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 3:08 p.m.

    Who are the 3 guys that voted for ASU to win the Pac 12 championship game?
    Duckhunter
    You do realize that USC is a favorite to win the National Championship and Utah returns 18 starters on a team that beat the Y by 44 points don't you? If that is truly pathetic what does that say about BYU?

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    July 24, 2012 2:35 p.m.

    "With superior QB play and RB John White the Utes might just be an upset away (USC Thur night at home on Oct. 4th) from contending in the P12 South."

    This is by no means a prediction that Utah will win the game. Nor is he suggesting that they will even be competitive. He's saying, that given the schedule, if Utah can pull off an improbable upset, they will "contend" for the P12 South. Steele, along with everybody else, is predicting a fairly easy USC victory.

  • fender Washington, UT
    July 24, 2012 2:17 p.m.

    Yeah, Duck, a bad division of college football that BYU begged to join for years. LOL!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 24, 2012 2:11 p.m.

    U missed its big chance last season, they'll remain mired behind USC until the Trojans have their next round of sanctions. The U will never have the recruiting ability or the fire power to battle the major schools in the conference. If U does it'll be a season here or there, but nothing consistent.

    Also amusing is the BYU talk in this story, since they have nothing to do with Utah after this season's game. The U has chosen to distance itself from BYU, a longterm partner. I hope the U can have good success in the PAC but it is certainly a long shot, like BYU's chance at major success is. But both schools are on a different path, it's just a shame that the U killed the rivalry (and anyone is dilusional if they think that an every few years game will keep the rivalry alive and kicking, Texas and A&M realize that won't happen in their rivalry and BYU/U fans should realize the same).

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 24, 2012 2:04 p.m.

    sammyg:

    "Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted."

    You say that like it was a bad thing. It IS what we wanted. And from what I've heard from your WACey fanbase, it's what YOU wanted as well. Why else would you have been pretending to be in "secret negotiations" for membership for the past 3 decades?

    The U and the Y BOTH wanted the Pac-12, but the Pac-12 only wanted the U. Had the Big 12 called yet? No? Oh well. Mid-majors forever.

    Haha!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 24, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "...utah isn't picked to 'challenge' anyone or anything, especially not USC."

    Maybe not by anyone in WACistan, but according to Phil Steele:

    "With superior QB play and RB John White the Utes might just be an upset away (USC Thur night at home on Oct. 4th) from contending in the P12 South."

    Lindy's, Athlon, Blue Ribbon, Football Outsiders, USA Today, and ESPN Pac-12 beat writers Ted Miller and Kevin Gemmell ALL predict Utah to challenge USC in the Pac-12 South.

    Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 1:38 p.m.

    @Ducky

    "A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is. And williary, utah isn't picked to "challenge" anyone or anything, especially not USC"
    ______

    You might want to pick up a few preseason magazines and newspapers ... I'll be happy to point you to several respected sources which are either 1) predicting the U to upset USC and win the South or 2) picking the U to finish second and give USC all they can handle.

    You just can't seem to open those duck eyes wide enough to see what so many others can see ... and we're not talking about just Ute "fans." LOL

    As others have said, be worried about WSU. And remember, they're one of those lousy cellar dwelling Pac 12 teams you've so often talked about. I can only imagine the spin from the team down south if they lose that home game.

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 1:28 p.m.

    Nothing gives me more pleasure than seeing byu fans squirming and spewing their jealousy all over a Utah article. It is truly comical. It shows me how far ahead Utah is than byu. It is great to be able to have an actual Pac 12 media day, instead of a "look at us everyone we are still trying to be relevant" media day back in June like byu.

    These predictions seem about right. I am still predicting Utah to go 10-2 finishing 2nd in the South and playing in the Alamo Bowl.

    GO UTES

  • UtahUte16 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 24, 2012 1:27 p.m.

    Who did DN send to the media day? He had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. Embarrassing. I guess WSU's has a new coach named Coach Price.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 24, 2012 1:04 p.m.

    Ducky,

    WSU 32
    bYu 10

    MARK IT DOWN.

    Better book those tickest to Tulsa now.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 24, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Pre-season predictions are nice but mean nothing. The Utes can take the Trojans at home this year. The D will be great and the Offense should be much improved.

    Can't wait.

    Go Utes!

    The cougies will find out how "pathetic" the lowly PAC 12 is when they get beat by mighty WSU. lol

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 24, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    A testament to how truly pathetic the pac12 south is. And williary, utah isn't picked to "challenge" anyone or anything, especially not USC, they are simply thought to maybe be the top also ran in a very bad division of college football.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 12:07 p.m.

    It's funny that sammyg thinks Utah fans would be disappointed by the media voting Utah 4th best in the entire Pac 12. That's an 8-3 record if they played every team in the Pac 12 and things went as the media thinks they would. I guess that's not good though, right Sammy?

    Maybe this just shows that Utah fans are more logical than BYU fans.

    Moving on ... I for one think the media has this about right. And anytime a team finds themselves in the upper tier of the conference you're basically saying that with a few good bounces you might have a crack at something special. Utah's in a nice position to make some noise.

    Go Utes!

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 24, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    @ sammyg

    "Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted".

    One loss and BYU is Kraft Fight World Hunger Bowl bound every year. Get used it Cougs! This is what you wanted!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    Sorry sammy, Utah is picked to finish behind only likely #1 ranked USC.

    In their second year, Utah is picked as the only challenger to mighty USC.

    While BYU is focused on their WAC championship.

    I'll never understand BYU fans knocking Utah for their Pac-12 finishes. A team that beat you by 44 points on your home field. Can you imagine where BYU would be predicted in this poll!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    That's strange ... I was told it's only the Ute FANS that thought Utah could challenge for the upper tier of the Pac 12.
    I guess the media must all have red-tinted goggles as well. Crazy.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    Yep votes doesn't count on the field.....Utah finishes 3rd at best in the south.

    Go Trojans!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:32 a.m.

    A shocking prediction!

    Get used to it Utes, this is what U wanted.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 24, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    So, if you go by votes the Utes finish 4th in the Pac-12? Well, votes don't count much, on the field, on the field, on the field! Hopefully the Utes can surprise the Pac-12 media!