Penn State fined $60 million, wins vacated from 1998-2011


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  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    July 24, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    I just don't like any penalty that punishes players who were not involved or even at the school at the time. The Reggie Bush/USC example. Years after Bush was in the Pros USC was slapped with the penalties that punished players who had nothing to do with Bush. In fact even the coaching staff had vacated, Pete Carroll going on to coach the Seattle Seahawks, and a new athletic director was in place. Still, the players were the ones who paid the largest price. The only and best punishment for any school is take away their money. Purhaps fine a USC the total amount of money they made from football during the Bush years. Now that would get the attention of all schools and make them clean up their acts. Taking away hundreds of millions of dollars for athletic transgressions would make a much greater impact on schools than a few scholarships and trips to bowl games.

  • Trooper55 Williams, AZ
    July 24, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    The NCAA has done what they believe was right with their sactions placed against Penn State and yes the State will have to pick-up all the cost that goes with whats to follow the lawsuits.It's easy to sit back and condem everyone, but like one article written one of the statement were half the people wouldn't know the frist sign of child abuse or the other signs of child abuse. I am still waiting to see who else is going to be charge in the Penn State scandal. Is the sentence harsh enought or too light only time will tell.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    July 23, 2012 9:38 p.m.

    And word is SC is now gonna land Penn St RB Silas Redd

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    Get rid of semi professional entertainment on colleges. Let ESPN buy the teams and return to education.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 23, 2012 8:29 p.m.


    That is kinda harsh! I am sure if the fans knew that their wins came at the cost of a man abusing children, every single one of them would have chosen to protect kids.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 23, 2012 6:22 p.m.

    The sixty million together with the sanctions don't even come close.

    No crime is even equal to or surpasses abuse of a child.

    Those who turn their heads such as Joe Paterno and his coaching staff and administrators are the ones who cause the kind of collateral damage to the unrelated university programs, the institution as a whole and to all the innocent student athletes and student body.

    How many student athletes will ever want to put PSU on their resume between the years of 1998 and 2012?

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    Please, this does nothing it is just more NCAA eye wash. Take a look how the sanctions hurt USC, they did almost nothing. USC has over recruited players without scholarships knowing full well that they could cover themselves by cutting players that were not being played. Vacating wins does nothing--it appears as though the games were never even played. The fine amounts to about one 13th or less than what Penn State received during the time this took place. That wouldn't even amount to the interest on what was earned during those years. The Sandusky victims are left with going to court to receive any compensation. The fine should have been used to fund the legal suits and fees of the victims against Penn State and then given to support groups and charities.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 23, 2012 3:30 p.m.


    "I wonder how much of this cost (legal costs, fines, etc.) will wind up having to be paid by the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania..."

    Hopefully, a lot!

    And, hopefully, that will serve as a wakeup call to every public and private university in the country that their #1 priority should be to ensure the safety and welfare of the children and students who participate in any activity at their school, be it athletics, arts, or scholastic.

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 3:25 p.m.

    It was Penn St. fans and students that supported a climate dependent on wins at the expense of everything else. Not a unique situation. They share in the blame as enablers and will share in the penalty. Regardless of the penalty, nothing compensates for child rape. When they get to court, Penn St. will be writing many checks and some of the administration will probably face criminal charges. It isn't over.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 23, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    Mr. Dean

    "The NCAA is now $60 million richer, which they will squander with higher wages, bonuses, conference trips to vacation spots such as Hawaii, etc."

    Try reading the article and you'll learn where the money is actually going.

    "Too funny... the kids, now adults, probably have recovered years ago..."

    Your conjecture PROVES that you have absolutely NO CLUE what it's like to be sexually abused as a child and the lifelong trauma nearly 100% of such victims suffer. Most victims of such abuse suffer more than you could possibly imagine in your worst nightmares.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Emmert and the NCAA have set a dangerous new precedent - venturing into criminal activity that has no bearing on level, fair competition. This now expands their government and powers to unlimited scope and utility.

    Emmert probably craves this attention. Appropriate punishment would have been.

    To vacate wins of last 14 years
    Remove Paterno from Hall of Fame
    Remove statue of Paterno
    Civil compensation to victims and families
    4 year probation (without any cut in scholarships or postseason play)

    And let a fabulous University bury as quickly as possible a very dark chapter that probably no more than 12 cowards are responsible for. Instead, we all sleep better now that we've punished tens of thousands of innocent players, fans, alumni and faculty and rewarded an already flush/greeedy NCAA with more than 60 Million dollars that no one will ever know how it was spent.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 3:01 p.m.

    @Mr Bean
    "The NCAA is now $60 million richer, which they will squander with higher wages, bonuses, conference trips to vacation spots such as Hawaii, etc. Which is decidedly more evil than the Sandusky sexual conduct."

    There might be some planet where squandering money (if that were even the case but you clearly missed the whole "them explaining where they're putting the money" thing) is considered more evil than what Sandusky did... but that planet is definitely not Earth.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 2:59 p.m.

    Wow. . . people "thanking their lucky stars that they had the 'misfortune' of being 'traumatized' by Sandus(k)y"??? That sounds like an extraordinarily callous observation. I am guessing that they won't mind the money, but NO AMOUNT of money can make up for what they went through.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 2:23 p.m.


    "This is an unprecedented case of the most egregious actions by the top decision-makers..."

    The 'decision makers' have already been punished... along with Sandusky. Any other punishment just harms the school, students, and community who had NOTHING to do with it. The innocent are being punished.

    "The NCAA has to send a clear message that this type of behavior will NEVER be tolerated by a member of the association."

    The message being sent is that future perps (should there be any) will be more careful.

    The NCAA is now $60 million richer, which they will squander with higher wages, bonuses, conference trips to vacation spots such as Hawaii, etc. Which is decidedly more evil than the Sandusky sexual conduct.

    "...would have saved many kids from a lifetime of unhealable trauma."

    Too funny... the kids, now adults, probably have recovered years ago. They are now licking their chops in anticipation of getting their hands on millions from the school when they sue for 'damages.' They're probably dancing with glee at the prospects, thanking their lucky stars that they had the 'misfortune' of being 'traumatized' by Sandushy. I can hear it all now... oh happy day!'

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 1:40 p.m.

    @Counter Intelligence

    "Couldn’t there have been a punishment that actually focused on the administration that sheltered the problem? (being fired and/or jail time)"

    NCAA can't hand out jail sentences. Curley and Schultz still have their perjury trials so we'll have to wait for the courts to deal with that matter, particularly since both of them and Spanier have already been fired.

  • Bee Careful Kaysville, UT
    July 23, 2012 1:12 p.m.

    Take down the statue. Fine. Fine them a ton of money. OK. Take away the scholarships. No problem, except you are punishing the student athletes by depriving them of the opportunity for a university education. But take away victories that are already on the books? No way! Especially when this is only being done to give the record for most wins to Grambling State University for political reasons. Shame one you NCAA!

  • nwe Tooele, UT
    July 23, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    I am distrustful of the NCAA's integrity with the 60 million dollar fine. They are having the money applied to development and dissemination of a program to help other universities do What? have integrity and avoid the same thing as Penn State?

    The main difference between values and skills are that values are accessible to anyone capable of understanding them--they don't require additional training like a skill. I suspect what will really happen here, given the record of the NCAA, is that a bunch of NCAA cronies are going to be 60 million dollars richer. Why not give the money to something meaningful that will really help kids? Doing the right thing is a decision point with people who understand values. Throwing 60 million dollars into a "training program" is both stupid and probably as dishonest as the crimes committed by Penn State.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 23, 2012 12:31 p.m.

    Every college football fan should impose their own death penalty on Penn State. We should not watch Penn State games until the NCAA ban is lifted. It is about advertising dollars.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 23, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    It is a shame that Paterno isn't around to see the carnage he, Sandusky, and others left behind at Penn State. I wonder if would have taken it like a man, as the university is doing, or if he would have been upset that his leagcy had been destroy, as his family is.

    People should not misunderstand the impact this will have on Penn State football. It is not the death penalty, but awfully close. It will take years, even decades, for this program to recover.

    For once I think that the NCAA got it right. The message sent to all NCAA institutions is loud & clear - you mess up and you will be punished.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    This is just the tip of the iceberg. All of the victims will now head to civil courts and there is nothing PSU can do to defend. If I were them, I would simply talk to each of their attorneys about a settlement offer.

    If I were the state of PA, I would remove all the old hats from the school, change out all the admins in the clubs, associations and start fresh. It will take 10-15 years to recover but it will happen.

  • Ben H Clearfield, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Now that I understand the implications of the punishment, particularly the loss of scholarships, will make it so that Penn State can not compete at the FBS-level and the Big 10. Penn State should reclassify to the Football Championship Subdivision for a few years. I really doubt they would even be able to compete with the like of Weber State and Southern Utah.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 23, 2012 11:28 a.m.

    Mr. Bean and RG

    This is an unprecedented case of the most egregious actions by the top decision-makers of a university in the history of the NCAA. The NCAA has to send a clear message that this type of behavior will NEVER be tolerated by a member of the association.

    The NCAA is doing so by eliminating every possible incentive - money, wins, protecting the legacy of a coach or university - that a university might have to ever cover up something like this up again.

    If Penn State officials had known that protecting Sandusky would have led to this, they never for a second would have considered not throwing Sandusky to the wolves and in the process, would have saved many kids from a lifetime of unhealable trauma.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 23, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Punishing those who had nothing to do with this only enlarges the circle of victims. It feeds a visceral need to retaliate, but does nothing to solve the problem.

    Sandusky was a cunning predator who manged to fool even the families of the victims for years. I hope we can now put our efforts into understanding how such predators operate and educating parents, teachers, police, and others in a position to protect children. Otherwise this abuse will simply go on even while the NCAA is congratulating itself on having taken strong action.

  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    The perceived reaction of Penn State fans is one reason the crimes were hidden by the administration. The greater community's demand for appearance over substance is one of the problems at Penn State and elsewhere. The punishment is correct to include everyone, including "innocent fans," who put winning and image over integrity. Considering that $60 million is probably one year's football income and past victories are old history, the penalty is minimal. Penn State will be paying out much more than that in the civil suits to follow, not to mention any criminal indictments.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:08 a.m.


    "The NCAA needs to give that money to Sandusky's victims."

    The Sandusky victims will almost certainly be part of a civil lawsuit against Penn State and all of the decision makers who were involved in the coverup.

    Penn State will almost certainly end up paying millions to each of the victims, in addition to the $60 million Penn State will be paying into child sex-abuse programs.

  • DR Hall Clearfield, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:07 a.m.

    I think the NCAA went way too far in sanctions this time. Joe Paterno was not the cause of these problems. Possibly Sandusky was. But Freeh is a complete politician and not a thorough attorney. They were supposed to be thorough investigation and it was hurried up with no justice envolved. Penn State is a good college and students come away from there with a very good education. If Sandusky is not guilty then another hurried injustice has been done. Next time do the jobs right and this time be fair. It seems that this present college preseident is very weak and should not be in there.

  • HaHaHaHa Othello, WA
    July 23, 2012 10:59 a.m.

    RE: Wayne Rout = You are exactly right! I couldn't have stated it any better myself! To me this penalty should be more about Sandusky and his punishment. I am not following the story as close as most are. Maybe there has been more disclosure of covering up and proven knowledge by others, that I am not aware of? Unless I am misinformed, I see this as a little excessive. It may deter a small amount of this kind of immoral and illegal activity in the future, and that is a good thing, but ultimately you have to find these kind of people (Sandusky), and remove them! They are sick individuals, and nothing really deters them!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 23, 2012 10:57 a.m.

    RG & Bean.

    Kind of ironic huh.
    The NCAA is vacating Penn St. wins back to 1998. Just like the games did not exist like a cover up.
    Penn St. covered up the scandal just like it did not exist and covered it up.
    The people involved represented the school. I have a hard time believing only 4 people knew about it.

    The players are free to leave. The NCAA went out of their way to make it so. That is a good thing.

  • RG Buena Vista, VA
    July 23, 2012 10:44 a.m.

    I agree that the NCAA punished the wrong people. And I agree with Mr. Bean. How can you say they didn't a game which thousands of people witnessed them winning? You can "officially" say they didn't win, but everyone knows they did win. What are the players who won supposed to think now? None of this was their fault. There is a new "most winningest" coach. But he knows very well that he is still 2nd. None of this is to excuse Paterno, or Sandusky, or university administrators. They should all be punished, but since the wins didn't happen because of the sexual abuse, and had nothing to do with the abuse, wins are wins. But there is so much corruption in college sports, especially football, that if it was all found out and punished, it might obliterate the sport.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 23, 2012 10:32 a.m.

    Penn State didn"t win those games? The players didn't commit any crime. The didn't build the stadium either.

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Floyd Johnson

    The NCAA Charter and by-laws deal with integrating athletics into colleges and universities to enhance the overall educational mission of higher education.

    The NCAA is an association of institutions of higher education. Penn State is free to leave the association at any time, but as long as Penn State is a member of the association, the NCAA has the authority to invoke whatever penalties and restrictions it sees fit to punish member institutions who violate the NCAA Charter and by-laws.

    Football players at Penn State will be allowed to transfer and be immediately eligible to play football at whatever school they transfer to, as long as they are otherwise eligible to play football, or Penn State players will be allowed to remain at Penn State on full scholarship, even if they choose not to play football, so innocent athletes aren't in any way harmed.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:11 a.m.

    Mr. Bean

    "...where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money grow on trees at Penn State?"

    $60 million is the annual gross receipts Penn State receives from football. Penn State's annual gross athletic budget is about $116 million. Penn State will not be allowed to reduce funding for minor sports to compensate for the lost football revenue, so the most likely source will be fat-cat Penn State donors.

    The $60 million will go directly to programs that benefit children who have been sexually abused, but the NCAA will receive precise accounting of where the funds are distributed.

  • robin212 richland, wa
    July 23, 2012 10:06 a.m.

    It seems a bit ironic that the $60 million must be spent somewhere other than Penn State, because aren't all the victims of the abuse living in and around Penn State? I hope some of that can go to help the actual victims of this abuse.

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 23, 2012 10:01 a.m.

    The NCAA should be concerned with fair competition and issues involving safety and fairness to student athletes. In this situation, individuals associated with the organization were engaged in illegal activities; however, those activities did not result in a substantial competitive advantage for the program. For the individuals involved in these criminal activities I support any penalty deemed appropriate by the courts in Pennsylvania.

    The NCAA has erred by imposing sanctions that harm student athletes who did not commit, were not aware of and did not benefit from the crimes that took place. Their well-being has been largely excluded from the conversation. An appropriate response from the NCAA: 1)All individuals involved in criminal activity must be removed from the program, and internal/external checks imposed to ensure no future criminal activity. 2) A financial penalty to cover the costs of investigation and compliance. 3) Any current athlete may transfer without restrictions, and Penn State pays the cost of the scholarship to the new university. That scholarship is excluded from the 85 scholarhip total of the new institution.

  • Mr. Bean Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    This is crazy. A fine punishes the wrong people... Penn students, the community, season ticket holders, the sport's opponents who will now forgo gate share, etc. And, where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money grow on trees at Penn State?

    The guys implicit in the affair have been punished. The perp is in jail. Others who knew about the deed and did nothing have either resigned or been fired. Anything more is stupid. Let it go... get over it, already.

    And, what does it mean to vacate wins? They can't undo what's been done. What will they do, go to the score book and give the other teams the win? I've never heard of such an idiotic idea. Seems there's not only a mentality problem at Penn but those who levied this idiotic punishment.

    As to the use of the $60,000 million fine... I can guarantee that it will be eaten up with salaries and bonuses at the NCAA or whom ever will be getting the dough. The guys at NCAA are salivating. I would guess that about a nickel will be used to aid those who've been harmed.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    "Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people".

    Hmmm... and yet the NCAA permitted a 12th game, and at many schools such as the University of Utah, student fees are funneled to the football program. What are NCAA schools doing to curb concussions? Is it providing dollars to manufacturers to build better helmets?

    We will see football teams that will be similar to the Miami teams of the 90s and the Oklahoma teams of the 80s where football will, indeed, be placed ahead of educating, nurturing, and protecting young people. Emmert just found the perfect soapbox. Nothing else has really changed at the NCAA.

    July 23, 2012 9:52 a.m.

    They should not be playing football at Penn State this year.

  • USAlover Salt Lake City, UT
    July 23, 2012 9:33 a.m.

    Punish the wrong people, and everybody goes home happy.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    July 23, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    @ Wayne Rout

    The way to "prevent a repeat of these crimes at any other institution" as you stated is to inflict the harshest of penalties for PSU. If you don't agree that's fine, I'd be interested in hearing your counter-solution to what the NCAA did this morning.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    July 23, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    @ Darrel

    I would like to remind you that there were other people at PSU outside of the football program that were aware of the situation. How can you not penalize the entire university? With current penalties handed down this morning, the football players at PSU will be allowed to transfer to any other school and not have to sit out the otherwise required one year. A 4 year bowl ban is just a prolonged death penalty. Everything I suggested is what the NCAA handed down today just harsher due to the heinous crimes committed at Penn State University.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 23, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    As with all liberal actions, it is all symbolism and does not address any of the root causes. You can bet that the $60 million will be largely wasted on bureaucrats at various organizations with little ever helping anyone. The key issue here is that the NCAA issued a penalty for something totally unrelated to sport. I don't recall this ever being done before. They allowed political correctness to rule the day and focused their wrath on the innocent. Joe is gone, the AD is gone, the president is gone, and Jerry is in jail. All those being punished, the players, prospects who have dreamed of playing at Penn State, the fans & ticket holders, the teams on the PSU schedule, alumni and the students did nothing worthy of NCAA involvement. The liberals at the NCAA can now pat themselves on the back and smugly see a hero when they look in the mirror. Unfortunately, they have done nothing to prevent a repeat of these crimes at any other institution. It is too bad they missed the opportunity that was in front of them.

  • Darrel Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 23, 2012 8:47 a.m.

    @LindonMan, Alpine Blue

    The problem with the death penalty is that it punishes the wrong people.

    Everyone involved in this is gone from the University. Schools that had Penn State on their calanders would suffer a loss of revenue. Other programs at Penn State that football funds would be hurt. The students there now, who are completely innocent, would be hurt.

    This helps in that it establishes a fund to help the victims across the nation, it strips the motivation the school had in hiding this, wins. It removes Paterno from the record book. Not to mention that Penn State will be ligitation for years to come.

    To completely remove Paterno from the University is like saying nothing happened. It did happen, and that needs to be acknowledged.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    July 23, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    If I were president of the NCAA the penalty would have been:

    2 year death penalty
    Removal of PSU wins from 1998-2011
    Fine them a three year span of football revenue (about 180 million dollars)
    Removal of Paterno from the College Football Hall of Fame
    Force PSU to remove Paterno's name from university library. Threaten an extra 1-2 years of death penalty if name isn't removed.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 23, 2012 8:18 a.m.

    Alpine Blue

    I disagree completely with your assessment that the NCAA only gave Penn State a slap on the wrist.

    The reduction of scholarships from 25 to 15 per year, with an overall reduction from 85 to 65, plus a four-year post season ban, the vacation of all wins from 1998 to 2011, and the imposition of measures to ensure that there is a culture change at Penn State that puts the integrity of academics and the institution ahead of athletics addresses the core problems much more comprehensively than a meer shutdown of the football program for a year or two would have accomplished.

    Penn State's football program will be devasted by these sanctions - it could take the Nittany Lions a decade or longer to recover.

    I'm glad to see that the NCAA is requiring that all of the $60 million be used to aid programs that deal with helping victims of sex-abuse.

  • Alpine Blue Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2012 7:59 a.m.

    Not surprised at the relatively weak NCAA response-which does not go near far enough. Invoking a fine and vacating a few wins is a mere slap on the wrist. Mark Emmertt basically acknowledges that big-time college football transcends morality and is more important than the shattered lives of its victims.

    It would have been far more appropriate to shut down the program for at least a year and possibly two in order to give the university and the community time to properly heal. There is no way that PSU should field a team this season. The university needs to step forward and place a self-imposed one-year death penalty. Win or lose this upcoming season, it will be a slap in the face of all victims to see Penn State on any football stadium or on television.

    Pretty typical lack of courage from the toothless NCAA.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 23, 2012 7:43 a.m.

    The NCAA needs to give that money to Sandusky's victims.

  • basstacklegirl Burley, ID
    July 23, 2012 7:36 a.m.

    I hope the NCAA does something good with that $60 million, they should definitely spread it around and donate it to several different national service organizations that benefit children.