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Published: Monday, July 23 2012 1:19 p.m. MDT

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basstacklegirl
Burley, ID

I hope the NCAA does something good with that $60 million, they should definitely spread it around and donate it to several different national service organizations that benefit children.

Ernest T. Bass
Bountiful, UT

The NCAA needs to give that money to Sandusky's victims.

Alpine Blue
Alpine, UT

Not surprised at the relatively weak NCAA response-which does not go near far enough. Invoking a fine and vacating a few wins is a mere slap on the wrist. Mark Emmertt basically acknowledges that big-time college football transcends morality and is more important than the shattered lives of its victims.

It would have been far more appropriate to shut down the program for at least a year and possibly two in order to give the university and the community time to properly heal. There is no way that PSU should field a team this season. The university needs to step forward and place a self-imposed one-year death penalty. Win or lose this upcoming season, it will be a slap in the face of all victims to see Penn State on any football stadium or on television.

Pretty typical lack of courage from the toothless NCAA.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Alpine Blue

I disagree completely with your assessment that the NCAA only gave Penn State a slap on the wrist.

The reduction of scholarships from 25 to 15 per year, with an overall reduction from 85 to 65, plus a four-year post season ban, the vacation of all wins from 1998 to 2011, and the imposition of measures to ensure that there is a culture change at Penn State that puts the integrity of academics and the institution ahead of athletics addresses the core problems much more comprehensively than a meer shutdown of the football program for a year or two would have accomplished.

Penn State's football program will be devasted by these sanctions - it could take the Nittany Lions a decade or longer to recover.

I'm glad to see that the NCAA is requiring that all of the $60 million be used to aid programs that deal with helping victims of sex-abuse.

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

If I were president of the NCAA the penalty would have been:

2 year death penalty
Removal of PSU wins from 1998-2011
Fine them a three year span of football revenue (about 180 million dollars)
Removal of Paterno from the College Football Hall of Fame
Force PSU to remove Paterno's name from university library. Threaten an extra 1-2 years of death penalty if name isn't removed.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

@LindonMan, Alpine Blue

The problem with the death penalty is that it punishes the wrong people.

Everyone involved in this is gone from the University. Schools that had Penn State on their calanders would suffer a loss of revenue. Other programs at Penn State that football funds would be hurt. The students there now, who are completely innocent, would be hurt.

This helps in that it establishes a fund to help the victims across the nation, it strips the motivation the school had in hiding this, wins. It removes Paterno from the record book. Not to mention that Penn State will be ligitation for years to come.

To completely remove Paterno from the University is like saying nothing happened. It did happen, and that needs to be acknowledged.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

As with all liberal actions, it is all symbolism and does not address any of the root causes. You can bet that the $60 million will be largely wasted on bureaucrats at various organizations with little ever helping anyone. The key issue here is that the NCAA issued a penalty for something totally unrelated to sport. I don't recall this ever being done before. They allowed political correctness to rule the day and focused their wrath on the innocent. Joe is gone, the AD is gone, the president is gone, and Jerry is in jail. All those being punished, the players, prospects who have dreamed of playing at Penn State, the fans & ticket holders, the teams on the PSU schedule, alumni and the students did nothing worthy of NCAA involvement. The liberals at the NCAA can now pat themselves on the back and smugly see a hero when they look in the mirror. Unfortunately, they have done nothing to prevent a repeat of these crimes at any other institution. It is too bad they missed the opportunity that was in front of them.

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

@ Darrel

I would like to remind you that there were other people at PSU outside of the football program that were aware of the situation. How can you not penalize the entire university? With current penalties handed down this morning, the football players at PSU will be allowed to transfer to any other school and not have to sit out the otherwise required one year. A 4 year bowl ban is just a prolonged death penalty. Everything I suggested is what the NCAA handed down today just harsher due to the heinous crimes committed at Penn State University.

LindonMan
Lindon, UT

@ Wayne Rout

The way to "prevent a repeat of these crimes at any other institution" as you stated is to inflict the harshest of penalties for PSU. If you don't agree that's fine, I'd be interested in hearing your counter-solution to what the NCAA did this morning.

USAlover
Salt Lake City, UT

Punish the wrong people, and everybody goes home happy.

MLH
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

They should not be playing football at Penn State this year.

RBN
Salt Lake City, UT

"Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and protecting young people".

Hmmm... and yet the NCAA permitted a 12th game, and at many schools such as the University of Utah, student fees are funneled to the football program. What are NCAA schools doing to curb concussions? Is it providing dollars to manufacturers to build better helmets?

We will see football teams that will be similar to the Miami teams of the 90s and the Oklahoma teams of the 80s where football will, indeed, be placed ahead of educating, nurturing, and protecting young people. Emmert just found the perfect soapbox. Nothing else has really changed at the NCAA.

Mr. Bean
Salt Lake City, UT

This is crazy. A fine punishes the wrong people... Penn students, the community, season ticket holders, the sport's opponents who will now forgo gate share, etc. And, where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money grow on trees at Penn State?

The guys implicit in the affair have been punished. The perp is in jail. Others who knew about the deed and did nothing have either resigned or been fired. Anything more is stupid. Let it go... get over it, already.

And, what does it mean to vacate wins? They can't undo what's been done. What will they do, go to the score book and give the other teams the win? I've never heard of such an idiotic idea. Seems there's not only a mentality problem at Penn but those who levied this idiotic punishment.

As to the use of the $60,000 million fine... I can guarantee that it will be eaten up with salaries and bonuses at the NCAA or whom ever will be getting the dough. The guys at NCAA are salivating. I would guess that about a nickel will be used to aid those who've been harmed.

Floyd Johnson
Broken Arrow, OK

The NCAA should be concerned with fair competition and issues involving safety and fairness to student athletes. In this situation, individuals associated with the organization were engaged in illegal activities; however, those activities did not result in a substantial competitive advantage for the program. For the individuals involved in these criminal activities I support any penalty deemed appropriate by the courts in Pennsylvania.

The NCAA has erred by imposing sanctions that harm student athletes who did not commit, were not aware of and did not benefit from the crimes that took place. Their well-being has been largely excluded from the conversation. An appropriate response from the NCAA: 1)All individuals involved in criminal activity must be removed from the program, and internal/external checks imposed to ensure no future criminal activity. 2) A financial penalty to cover the costs of investigation and compliance. 3) Any current athlete may transfer without restrictions, and Penn State pays the cost of the scholarship to the new university. That scholarship is excluded from the 85 scholarhip total of the new institution.

robin212
richland, wa

It seems a bit ironic that the $60 million must be spent somewhere other than Penn State, because aren't all the victims of the abuse living in and around Penn State? I hope some of that can go to help the actual victims of this abuse.

BlueCoug
Orem, UT

Mr. Bean

"...where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money grow on trees at Penn State?"

$60 million is the annual gross receipts Penn State receives from football. Penn State's annual gross athletic budget is about $116 million. Penn State will not be allowed to reduce funding for minor sports to compensate for the lost football revenue, so the most likely source will be fat-cat Penn State donors.

The $60 million will go directly to programs that benefit children who have been sexually abused, but the NCAA will receive precise accounting of where the funds are distributed.

royalblue
Alpine, UT

Floyd Johnson

The NCAA Charter and by-laws deal with integrating athletics into colleges and universities to enhance the overall educational mission of higher education.

The NCAA is an association of institutions of higher education. Penn State is free to leave the association at any time, but as long as Penn State is a member of the association, the NCAA has the authority to invoke whatever penalties and restrictions it sees fit to punish member institutions who violate the NCAA Charter and by-laws.

Football players at Penn State will be allowed to transfer and be immediately eligible to play football at whatever school they transfer to, as long as they are otherwise eligible to play football, or Penn State players will be allowed to remain at Penn State on full scholarship, even if they choose not to play football, so innocent athletes aren't in any way harmed.

worf
Mcallen, TX

Penn State didn"t win those games? The players didn't commit any crime. The didn't build the stadium either.

RG
Buena Vista, VA

I agree that the NCAA punished the wrong people. And I agree with Mr. Bean. How can you say they didn't a game which thousands of people witnessed them winning? You can "officially" say they didn't win, but everyone knows they did win. What are the players who won supposed to think now? None of this was their fault. There is a new "most winningest" coach. But he knows very well that he is still 2nd. None of this is to excuse Paterno, or Sandusky, or university administrators. They should all be punished, but since the wins didn't happen because of the sexual abuse, and had nothing to do with the abuse, wins are wins. But there is so much corruption in college sports, especially football, that if it was all found out and punished, it might obliterate the sport.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

RG & Bean.

Kind of ironic huh.
The NCAA is vacating Penn St. wins back to 1998. Just like the games did not exist like a cover up.
Penn St. covered up the scandal just like it did not exist and covered it up.
The people involved represented the school. I have a hard time believing only 4 people knew about it.

The players are free to leave. The NCAA went out of their way to make it so. That is a good thing.

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