I just don't like any penalty that punishes players who were not involved
or even at the school at the time. The Reggie Bush/USC example. Years after
Bush was in the Pros USC was slapped with the penalties that punished players
who had nothing to do with Bush. In fact even the coaching staff had vacated,
Pete Carroll going on to coach the Seattle Seahawks, and a new athletic director
was in place. Still, the players were the ones who paid the largest price. The
only and best punishment for any school is take away their money. Purhaps fine
a USC the total amount of money they made from football during the Bush years.
Now that would get the attention of all schools and make them clean up their
acts. Taking away hundreds of millions of dollars for athletic transgressions
would make a much greater impact on schools than a few scholarships and trips to
The NCAA has done what they believe was right with their sactions placed against
Penn State and yes the State will have to pick-up all the cost that goes with
whats to follow the lawsuits.It's easy to sit back and condem everyone, but
like one article written one of the statement were half the people wouldn't
know the frist sign of child abuse or the other signs of child abuse. I am still
waiting to see who else is going to be charge in the Penn State scandal. Is the
sentence harsh enought or too light only time will tell.
And word is SC is now gonna land Penn St RB Silas Redd
Get rid of semi professional entertainment on colleges. Let ESPN buy the teams
and return to education.
@OwlThat is kinda harsh! I am sure if the fans knew that their wins
came at the cost of a man abusing children, every single one of them would have
chosen to protect kids.
The sixty million together with the sanctions don't even come close.No crime is even equal to or surpasses abuse of a child.Those who turn their heads such as Joe Paterno and his coaching staff and
administrators are the ones who cause the kind of collateral damage to the
unrelated university programs, the institution as a whole and to all the
innocent student athletes and student body. How many student
athletes will ever want to put PSU on their resume between the years of 1998 and
Please, this does nothing it is just more NCAA eye wash. Take a look how the
sanctions hurt USC, they did almost nothing. USC has over recruited players
without scholarships knowing full well that they could cover themselves by
cutting players that were not being played. Vacating wins does nothing--it
appears as though the games were never even played. The fine amounts to about
one 13th or less than what Penn State received during the time this took place.
That wouldn't even amount to the interest on what was earned during those
years. The Sandusky victims are left with going to court to receive any
compensation. The fine should have been used to fund the legal suits and fees
of the victims against Penn State and then given to support groups and
VST"I wonder how much of this cost (legal costs, fines, etc.)
will wind up having to be paid by the taxpayers of the Commonwealth of
Pennsylvania..."Hopefully, a lot!And, hopefully,
that will serve as a wakeup call to every public and private university in the
country that their #1 priority should be to ensure the safety and welfare of the
children and students who participate in any activity at their school, be it
athletics, arts, or scholastic.
It was Penn St. fans and students that supported a climate dependent on wins at
the expense of everything else. Not a unique situation. They share in the blame
as enablers and will share in the penalty. Regardless of the penalty, nothing
compensates for child rape. When they get to court, Penn St. will be writing
many checks and some of the administration will probably face criminal charges.
It isn't over.
Mr. Dean"The NCAA is now $60 million richer, which they will
squander with higher wages, bonuses, conference trips to vacation spots such as
Hawaii, etc."Try reading the article and you'll learn where
the money is actually going."Too funny... the kids, now adults,
probably have recovered years ago..."Your conjecture PROVES that
you have absolutely NO CLUE what it's like to be sexually abused as a child
and the lifelong trauma nearly 100% of such victims suffer. Most victims of such
abuse suffer more than you could possibly imagine in your worst nightmares.
Emmert and the NCAA have set a dangerous new precedent - venturing into criminal
activity that has no bearing on level, fair competition. This now expands their
government and powers to unlimited scope and utility.Emmert probably
craves this attention. Appropriate punishment would have been.To
vacate wins of last 14 yearsRemove Paterno from Hall of FameRemove
statue of PaternoCivil compensation to victims and families4 year
probation (without any cut in scholarships or postseason play)And
let a fabulous University bury as quickly as possible a very dark chapter that
probably no more than 12 cowards are responsible for. Instead, we all sleep
better now that we've punished tens of thousands of innocent players, fans,
alumni and faculty and rewarded an already flush/greeedy NCAA with more than 60
Million dollars that no one will ever know how it was spent.
@Mr Bean"The NCAA is now $60 million richer, which they will squander
with higher wages, bonuses, conference trips to vacation spots such as Hawaii,
etc. Which is decidedly more evil than the Sandusky sexual conduct."There might be some planet where squandering money (if that were even
the case but you clearly missed the whole "them explaining where
they're putting the money" thing) is considered more evil than what
Sandusky did... but that planet is definitely not Earth.
Wow. . . people "thanking their lucky stars that they had the
'misfortune' of being 'traumatized' by Sandus(k)y"???
That sounds like an extraordinarily callous observation. I am guessing that
they won't mind the money, but NO AMOUNT of money can make up for what they
Rockwell:"This is an unprecedented case of the most egregious
actions by the top decision-makers..."The 'decision
makers' have already been punished... along with Sandusky. Any other
punishment just harms the school, students, and community who had NOTHING to do
with it. The innocent are being punished."The NCAA has to send
a clear message that this type of behavior will NEVER be tolerated by a member
of the association."The message being sent is that future perps
(should there be any) will be more careful.The NCAA is now $60
million richer, which they will squander with higher wages, bonuses, conference
trips to vacation spots such as Hawaii, etc. Which is decidedly more evil than
the Sandusky sexual conduct."...would have saved many kids from
a lifetime of unhealable trauma."Too funny... the kids, now
adults, probably have recovered years ago. They are now licking their chops in
anticipation of getting their hands on millions from the school when they sue
for 'damages.' They're probably dancing with glee at the
prospects, thanking their lucky stars that they had the 'misfortune'
of being 'traumatized' by Sandushy. I can hear it all now... oh happy
@Counter Intelligence"Couldn’t there have been a
punishment that actually focused on the administration that sheltered the
problem? (being fired and/or jail time)"NCAA can't hand out
jail sentences. Curley and Schultz still have their perjury trials so we'll
have to wait for the courts to deal with that matter, particularly since both of
them and Spanier have already been fired.
Take down the statue. Fine. Fine them a ton of money. OK. Take away the
scholarships. No problem, except you are punishing the student athletes by
depriving them of the opportunity for a university education. But take away
victories that are already on the books? No way! Especially when this is only
being done to give the record for most wins to Grambling State University for
political reasons. Shame one you NCAA!
I am distrustful of the NCAA's integrity with the 60 million dollar fine.
They are having the money applied to development and dissemination of a program
to help other universities do What? have integrity and avoid the same thing as
Penn State? The main difference between values and skills are that
values are accessible to anyone capable of understanding them--they don't
require additional training like a skill. I suspect what will really happen
here, given the record of the NCAA, is that a bunch of NCAA cronies are going to
be 60 million dollars richer. Why not give the money to something meaningful
that will really help kids? Doing the right thing is a decision point with
people who understand values. Throwing 60 million dollars into a "training
program" is both stupid and probably as dishonest as the crimes committed by
Every college football fan should impose their own death penalty on Penn State.
We should not watch Penn State games until the NCAA ban is lifted. It is about
It is a shame that Paterno isn't around to see the carnage he, Sandusky,
and others left behind at Penn State. I wonder if would have taken it like a
man, as the university is doing, or if he would have been upset that his leagcy
had been destroy, as his family is.People should not misunderstand
the impact this will have on Penn State football. It is not the death penalty,
but awfully close. It will take years, even decades, for this program to
recover.For once I think that the NCAA got it right. The message
sent to all NCAA institutions is loud & clear - you mess up and you will be
This is just the tip of the iceberg. All of the victims will now head to civil
courts and there is nothing PSU can do to defend. If I were them, I would simply
talk to each of their attorneys about a settlement offer. If I were
the state of PA, I would remove all the old hats from the school, change out all
the admins in the clubs, associations and start fresh. It will take 10-15 years
to recover but it will happen.
Now that I understand the implications of the punishment, particularly the loss
of scholarships, will make it so that Penn State can not compete at the
FBS-level and the Big 10. Penn State should reclassify to the Football
Championship Subdivision for a few years. I really doubt they would even be
able to compete with the like of Weber State and Southern Utah.
Mr. Bean and RGThis is an unprecedented case of the most egregious
actions by the top decision-makers of a university in the history of the NCAA.
The NCAA has to send a clear message that this type of behavior will NEVER be
tolerated by a member of the association.The NCAA is doing so by
eliminating every possible incentive - money, wins, protecting the legacy of a
coach or university - that a university might have to ever cover up something
like this up again.If Penn State officials had known that protecting
Sandusky would have led to this, they never for a second would have considered
not throwing Sandusky to the wolves and in the process, would have saved many
kids from a lifetime of unhealable trauma.
Punishing those who had nothing to do with this only enlarges the circle of
victims. It feeds a visceral need to retaliate, but does nothing to solve the
problem.Sandusky was a cunning predator who manged to fool even the
families of the victims for years. I hope we can now put our efforts into
understanding how such predators operate and educating parents, teachers,
police, and others in a position to protect children. Otherwise this abuse will
simply go on even while the NCAA is congratulating itself on having taken strong
The perceived reaction of Penn State fans is one reason the crimes were hidden
by the administration. The greater community's demand for appearance over
substance is one of the problems at Penn State and elsewhere. The punishment is
correct to include everyone, including "innocent fans," who put winning
and image over integrity. Considering that $60 million is probably one
year's football income and past victories are old history, the penalty is
minimal. Penn State will be paying out much more than that in the civil suits to
follow, not to mention any criminal indictments.
ETB"The NCAA needs to give that money to Sandusky's
victims."The Sandusky victims will almost certainly be part of a
civil lawsuit against Penn State and all of the decision makers who were
involved in the coverup.Penn State will almost certainly end up
paying millions to each of the victims, in addition to the $60 million Penn
State will be paying into child sex-abuse programs.
I think the NCAA went way too far in sanctions this time. Joe Paterno was not
the cause of these problems. Possibly Sandusky was. But Freeh is a complete
politician and not a thorough attorney. They were supposed to be thorough
investigation and it was hurried up with no justice envolved. Penn State is a
good college and students come away from there with a very good education. If
Sandusky is not guilty then another hurried injustice has been done. Next time
do the jobs right and this time be fair. It seems that this present college
preseident is very weak and should not be in there.
RE: Wayne Rout = You are exactly right! I couldn't have stated it any
better myself! To me this penalty should be more about Sandusky and his
punishment. I am not following the story as close as most are. Maybe there has
been more disclosure of covering up and proven knowledge by others, that I am
not aware of? Unless I am misinformed, I see this as a little excessive. It may
deter a small amount of this kind of immoral and illegal activity in the future,
and that is a good thing, but ultimately you have to find these kind of people
(Sandusky), and remove them! They are sick individuals, and nothing really
RG & Bean.Kind of ironic huh.The NCAA is vacating Penn St.
wins back to 1998. Just like the games did not exist like a cover up.Penn
St. covered up the scandal just like it did not exist and covered it up.The people involved represented the school. I have a hard time believing only
4 people knew about it.The players are free to leave. The NCAA went
out of their way to make it so. That is a good thing.
I agree that the NCAA punished the wrong people. And I agree with Mr. Bean. How
can you say they didn't a game which thousands of people witnessed them
winning? You can "officially" say they didn't win, but everyone
knows they did win. What are the players who won supposed to think now? None of
this was their fault. There is a new "most winningest" coach. But he
knows very well that he is still 2nd. None of this is to excuse Paterno, or
Sandusky, or university administrators. They should all be punished, but since
the wins didn't happen because of the sexual abuse, and had nothing to do
with the abuse, wins are wins. But there is so much corruption in college
sports, especially football, that if it was all found out and punished, it might
obliterate the sport.
Penn State didn"t win those games? The players didn't commit any
crime. The didn't build the stadium either.
Floyd JohnsonThe NCAA Charter and by-laws deal with integrating
athletics into colleges and universities to enhance the overall educational
mission of higher education.The NCAA is an association of
institutions of higher education. Penn State is free to leave the association at
any time, but as long as Penn State is a member of the association, the NCAA has
the authority to invoke whatever penalties and restrictions it sees fit to
punish member institutions who violate the NCAA Charter and by-laws.Football players at Penn State will be allowed to transfer and be immediately
eligible to play football at whatever school they transfer to, as long as they
are otherwise eligible to play football, or Penn State players will be allowed
to remain at Penn State on full scholarship, even if they choose not to play
football, so innocent athletes aren't in any way harmed.
Mr. Bean"...where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money
grow on trees at Penn State?"$60 million is the annual gross
receipts Penn State receives from football. Penn State's annual gross
athletic budget is about $116 million. Penn State will not be allowed to reduce
funding for minor sports to compensate for the lost football revenue, so the
most likely source will be fat-cat Penn State donors.The $60 million
will go directly to programs that benefit children who have been sexually
abused, but the NCAA will receive precise accounting of where the funds are
It seems a bit ironic that the $60 million must be spent somewhere other than
Penn State, because aren't all the victims of the abuse living in and
around Penn State? I hope some of that can go to help the actual victims of this
The NCAA should be concerned with fair competition and issues involving safety
and fairness to student athletes. In this situation, individuals associated with
the organization were engaged in illegal activities; however, those activities
did not result in a substantial competitive advantage for the program. For the
individuals involved in these criminal activities I support any penalty deemed
appropriate by the courts in Pennsylvania. The NCAA has erred by
imposing sanctions that harm student athletes who did not commit, were not aware
of and did not benefit from the crimes that took place. Their well-being has
been largely excluded from the conversation. An appropriate response from the
NCAA: 1)All individuals involved in criminal activity must be removed from the
program, and internal/external checks imposed to ensure no future criminal
activity. 2) A financial penalty to cover the costs of investigation and
compliance. 3) Any current athlete may transfer without restrictions, and Penn
State pays the cost of the scholarship to the new university. That scholarship
is excluded from the 85 scholarhip total of the new institution.
This is crazy. A fine punishes the wrong people... Penn students, the
community, season ticket holders, the sport's opponents who will now forgo
gate share, etc. And, where are they gonna get the $60 million? Does money
grow on trees at Penn State?The guys implicit in the affair have
been punished. The perp is in jail. Others who knew about the deed and did
nothing have either resigned or been fired. Anything more is stupid. Let it
go... get over it, already.And, what does it mean to vacate wins?
They can't undo what's been done. What will they do, go to the score
book and give the other teams the win? I've never heard of such an idiotic
idea. Seems there's not only a mentality problem at Penn but those who
levied this idiotic punishment.As to the use of the $60,000 million
fine... I can guarantee that it will be eaten up with salaries and bonuses at
the NCAA or whom ever will be getting the dough. The guys at NCAA are
salivating. I would guess that about a nickel will be used to aid those
who've been harmed.
"Football will never again be placed ahead of educating, nurturing and
protecting young people".Hmmm... and yet the NCAA permitted a
12th game, and at many schools such as the University of Utah, student fees are
funneled to the football program. What are NCAA schools doing to curb
concussions? Is it providing dollars to manufacturers to build better
helmets?We will see football teams that will be similar to the Miami
teams of the 90s and the Oklahoma teams of the 80s where football will, indeed,
be placed ahead of educating, nurturing, and protecting young people. Emmert
just found the perfect soapbox. Nothing else has really changed at the NCAA.
They should not be playing football at Penn State this year.
Punish the wrong people, and everybody goes home happy.
@ Wayne RoutThe way to "prevent a repeat of these crimes at any
other institution" as you stated is to inflict the harshest of penalties for
PSU. If you don't agree that's fine, I'd be interested in
hearing your counter-solution to what the NCAA did this morning.
@ DarrelI would like to remind you that there were other people at
PSU outside of the football program that were aware of the situation. How can
you not penalize the entire university? With current penalties handed down this
morning, the football players at PSU will be allowed to transfer to any other
school and not have to sit out the otherwise required one year. A 4 year bowl
ban is just a prolonged death penalty. Everything I suggested is what the NCAA
handed down today just harsher due to the heinous crimes committed at Penn State
As with all liberal actions, it is all symbolism and does not address any of the
root causes. You can bet that the $60 million will be largely wasted on
bureaucrats at various organizations with little ever helping anyone. The key
issue here is that the NCAA issued a penalty for something totally unrelated to
sport. I don't recall this ever being done before. They allowed
political correctness to rule the day and focused their wrath on the innocent.
Joe is gone, the AD is gone, the president is gone, and Jerry is in jail. All
those being punished, the players, prospects who have dreamed of playing at Penn
State, the fans & ticket holders, the teams on the PSU schedule, alumni and
the students did nothing worthy of NCAA involvement. The liberals at the NCAA
can now pat themselves on the back and smugly see a hero when they look in the
mirror. Unfortunately, they have done nothing to prevent a repeat of these
crimes at any other institution. It is too bad they missed the opportunity that
was in front of them.
@LindonMan, Alpine BlueThe problem with the death penalty is that it
punishes the wrong people.Everyone involved in this is gone from the
University. Schools that had Penn State on their calanders would suffer a loss
of revenue. Other programs at Penn State that football funds would be hurt.
The students there now, who are completely innocent, would be hurt.This helps in that it establishes a fund to help the victims across the
nation, it strips the motivation the school had in hiding this, wins. It
removes Paterno from the record book. Not to mention that Penn State will be
ligitation for years to come.To completely remove Paterno from the
University is like saying nothing happened. It did happen, and that needs to be
If I were president of the NCAA the penalty would have been:2 year
death penaltyRemoval of PSU wins from 1998-2011Fine them a three
year span of football revenue (about 180 million dollars)Removal of
Paterno from the College Football Hall of FameForce PSU to remove
Paterno's name from university library. Threaten an extra 1-2 years of
death penalty if name isn't removed.
Alpine BlueI disagree completely with your assessment that the NCAA
only gave Penn State a slap on the wrist. The reduction of
scholarships from 25 to 15 per year, with an overall reduction from 85 to 65,
plus a four-year post season ban, the vacation of all wins from 1998 to 2011,
and the imposition of measures to ensure that there is a culture change at Penn
State that puts the integrity of academics and the institution ahead of
athletics addresses the core problems much more comprehensively than a meer
shutdown of the football program for a year or two would have accomplished.Penn State's football program will be devasted by these sanctions -
it could take the Nittany Lions a decade or longer to recover.I'm glad to see that the NCAA is requiring that all of the $60 million be
used to aid programs that deal with helping victims of sex-abuse.
Not surprised at the relatively weak NCAA response-which does not go near far
enough. Invoking a fine and vacating a few wins is a mere slap on the wrist.
Mark Emmertt basically acknowledges that big-time college football transcends
morality and is more important than the shattered lives of its victims.It would have been far more appropriate to shut down the program for at least
a year and possibly two in order to give the university and the community time
to properly heal. There is no way that PSU should field a team this season.
The university needs to step forward and place a self-imposed one-year death
penalty. Win or lose this upcoming season, it will be a slap in the face of all
victims to see Penn State on any football stadium or on television.Pretty typical lack of courage from the toothless NCAA.
The NCAA needs to give that money to Sandusky's victims.
I hope the NCAA does something good with that $60 million, they should
definitely spread it around and donate it to several different national service
organizations that benefit children.