Krauthammer did his readers a great disservice by typesetting the Obama quote
with an em dash, suggesting that the the subsequent clause was logically related
to the preceding one, rather than an ellipsis to indicate elided text.
Punctuation makes a difference. It's unfortunate that the DesNews did not
correct the error, especially after Saturday's editorial decrying just such
@HVH - After reading posts from people like you and most others, it's quite
apparent that if Krauthammer set aside 90% of his intellect, he would still
leave you weeping for rational comebacks in a battle of wits. I don't know
if it's even possible for most commenters here to come more than half armed
in such a battle.Guess what KJB1 - the Walton family and Steve Jobs
spent millions if not billions of their money to pay people to stock shelves and
build computers! Funding those operations is part of how a resourceful person
"builds a business." How does that obligate them to pay more taxes?Guess what Real Maverick, louie, and alt134 - successful people, just
like you and me, pay property taxes, usage fees, 43 cents per gallon of gas,
etc., to pay for schools, firemen, and infrastructure. Successful companies
with buildings pay for utility hookups, easements, usually significant property
taxes, various fees, etc. Why are they obligated to pay more taxes, especially
when the government wastes so much?Shallow arguments all, HVH, and
your great zinger that Krauthammer has no logic does not exactly raise the
intellectual batting average of your team.
iron&clay said:"congratulations to Deseret News for printing this
article. Deseret News with this article has shown it's ability to
think free and outside of the agenda of the centralized control by the left wing
money machine of elite tax free foundations."Printing a
propaganda piece by a conservative pundit is Free thinking? Outside of the Left,
but well within the far right political machine for elite millionaires to pay
little or no taxes.
Red:I think Ayn Rand wrote a book about this.Yes it was called
"The virtue of selfishness"DSB saidWow - if only
Krauthammer could mingle with the intellectual and economic giants of this
comment thread, surely he would see the error of his logic.Nope,
because logic isn't involved in what charles says, much like those who
support his opinion, that men like Mit did it all by themselves and exist in a
vacuum, if only that were true.
Ayn Rand was a deeply disturbed person that thought selfishness was a virtue and
that money is the only barometer by which we should be measured. She was smart
enough to argue her case and convince those that would be easily convinced of
that which they want to hear: Seflishness is good.If you read her
books you will see exactly the entire Republican platform on everything. But
Rand was really a plagerizer most poor qualities of human nature.
congratulations to Deseret News for printing this article. Deseret
News with this article has shown it's ability to think free and outside of
the agenda of the centralized control by the left wing money machine of elite
tax free foundations.
Wow - if only Krauthammer could mingle with the intellectual and economic giants
of this comment thread, surely he would see the error of his logic.
Red:"Where would we all be without individuals who dared to
dream?"And where would those individuals be without the people
who do the legwork necessary to make those dreams come true? Does the Walton
family stock its' own shelves? Did Steve Jobs build every single computer
he sold with his own hands?
I think Ayn Rand wrote a book about this. Seems like she had seen the danger of
this type of logic and where it leads.Men are only equal under the
law! Men are absolutely not equal.We all have benefited from the
men who have created, invented, and worked hard.Where would we all
be without individuals who dared to dream?If having some roads and
internet and a park bench was all it took to develop new technology or unique
ideas and methods then we would all be brilliant.America needs to
remain free! Get a President in the White House who supports freedom! Please!
Romney himself said businesses are helped by things like roads and education. I
wonder when the editorial going after him will be written by Krauthammer.
Deuce: "We need someone who understands the economy and how things
work."The economy works for different people in different ways.
If you're fabulously wealthy, the economy and US tax policy are very, very
good to you. Yes, I believe Mitt Romney understand the economy enjoyed by
multi-millionaires very well. He plays it like a violin.But if
you're talking about the economy experienced by the middle class, not so
much. Every budget and tax idea that Romney has said he endorses has the effect
of transferring resources away from the middle class and towards corporations.
So who is likely to best protect the interests of the middle class?
It's _not_ Mitt Romney, that's for sure and for certain.
To: The Real Maverick, Orem, UT: First, it seems that you have bought into all
of the media hype. Second, it seems that you are more interested in a hand-out
rather than a hand-up. It is precisely this type of thinking that puts the US in
such a problem. I want someone in office that can make the tough decisions and
make the cuts where needed and make the investment where warranted. In the eyes
of the rest of the world, the USA is perceived as in decline. It is time we take
a hard look at where we are and where we want to go. Pres. Obama does not give
you that view. We need someone who understands the economy and how things work.
I actually agree with what he has to say. Successful people aren't
successful simply by their own doing. I don't buy the argument that the
poor are poor because they are lazy and the rich are rich because of their own
hard work. Sure that is part of it, but I don't think it's as simple
as that. We've all had help along the way, hard work and
intelligence alone don't directly equate to success. There is a bit of
luck, and often times a lot of help along the way, teachers, parents, mentors,
communities, and gasp, even governments.Sometimes our society simply
values certain skills and personalities better than others. Warren Buffet said
that if he was born in Brazil he would probably be poor, he just happened to be
born in a country that valued his specific skills and abilities and was set up
to allow him to succeed.So really I don't completely agree with
Obama, it has a lot to do with the individual, but I hate the typical Republican
attitude that it's 100% your own power and smarts and work that makes you
If I needed help with my business I would NOT call Romney. Read the history of
KB toys. Romney likes to help by taking control of your company, loading it with
debt, robbing your employee's pensions and forcing it to buy his
company's stock.Romney is not the helper you think is his.
If President Obama really cares for people, why has he not met with his jobs
council for more than 6 months - when unemployment is so high? And why are some
folks so worried about Mr. Romney banking some of his "own earned
income" offshore and these same folks being so completely supportive of the
millions of tax payer dollars that President Obama is investing off shore - and
"If you had a business that was in trouble, who would you want to help you?
Pres. Obama or Mitt Romey? "You're right, the answer is
obvious, Obama! He actually cares for the people. Which is why he has kept us
out of new wars, wants to maintain our tax levels, and passed health care
reform. Romney? He would quickly eat up my business, lay me off, and
outsource the company I built to East Asia. Then he would send the money to one
of his offshore accounts and brag about how he enjoys firing people. And then
he'd call me lazy, uneducated, and blame me for being poor.
No one on the left seems to complain about the press quoting Romney out of
context with the NAACP or credit card machine in Pennsylvania among many others.
Selective indignation is alive and well on the "more subtle, analytical,
nuanced and intelligent left." Misquoting or out-of-context works if it
meets your needs, otherwise claim the moral high ground.
RE: ShaunThen do not really know who Obama is.
Obama's grandparents were communist. Obama's parents were
communist.Obama's mentors was radical communist, Fran Marshall
Davis was such radical communist the FBI had him on security watch list.Obama got phrases like "fundamental transformation", and
"clinging to guns and bibles" from Frank, he took his slogan
"Forward" from Frank. "forward" being a well known communist
slogan.It's unfortunate the media didn't do it's
proper job and tell us who Obama really is.Now you may begin to
understand Obama;s love for an all-controlling all-powerful big central
government that micromanages our lives and our businesses and takes care you
from cradle to grave.He believes in Big Brother that watches you
and takes care you make all things possible. and eschews individual
responsibility and success for a societal based view.All this is
quite counter to what our founding fathers envisioned and established.
I have one question for all of you. If you had a business that was in trouble,
who would you want to help you? Pres. Obama or Mitt Romey? The answer is quite
easy and this is the same issue our country is fighting. On purely an objective
level, Romney would be your choice as he has proven time and again that he can
deliver. Unfortunately, Pres. Obama has not delivered on his promises and he is
not the person who can create change. His slogan of "Forward" is very
hard to understand given his track record. Ask yourself, do you really want to
move forward with Pres. Obama and where we are at as a country now?
CK didn't take anything out of context. He may be guilty of trying to
divine what Obama actually meant, but he certainly goes out of his way in this
piece to NOT take it out of context. For someone who is supposed to be "the
smartest person in the room", Obama sure says some stupid things when
he's off the teleprompter. The scary thing is I think our president really
believes this stuff, he just wishes he had cloaked in more elegant rhetoric.
As noted in an earlier post, we just read an article yesterday about the
problems caused by things being taken out of context. The quote from a speech by
the President is a fine example.
The Krafty Hammer got this wrong. Obama did not emphasize the infrastructure as
the basis of business success any more than the inspiration one gets from
another person or a teacher. For that matter obama could have added; school
loans, public eduction, small business loans many of which are tax payer funded.
"Limited government so conceived has two indispensable advantages. It avoids
inexorable European-style national insolvency."--Odd that the most
socialized European countries are the most solvent and stable. Also, the U.S.
has absolutely nothing like a European welfare state and we still won't
after Obamacare is fully implemented.
"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There
was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this
unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody
invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business, you didn't
build that [i.e the roads, bridges, and unbelievable American system.] Somebody
else made that happen."That is the actual quote, and nothing
could be closer to the truth. We all help each other out. EVERYONE who is
successful has been helped by and will help others. That was the
whole point of this speech. It wasn't to discourage anyone, but to motivate
us to use teamwork. Together we can accomplish anything. The mere
fact that repubs are taking just a piece or two of this quote, twisting and
perverting it, and trying to score political points off of it shows how truly
desperate they are. Then again, I'm not surprised. Charles has proven to be
completely unreliable and biased. He wrote that we had a responsibility to
attack Iraq and now this. Take his writings with a grano de sal...
Didn't the Deseret News editors just publish _yesterday_ an editorial
denouncing exactly the kind of misrepresentation of reality that Mr. Krauthammer
is (once again) engaging in?Krauthammer's hyper-partisan
funhouse mirror distortions of reality are as predictable as they are wrong.
I have only heard of Obama's comment in the news and I haven't heard
his full speech but I do not take the conservative view that Obama is some kind
of evil socialist communist that is out to destroy America.I think
his point was that our government system is what makes businesses and the wealth
possible. It is vital to invest infrastructure, education, etc so businesses can