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Published: Saturday, July 21 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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USA
Salt Lake City, UT

Well said.

KDave
Moab, UT

I think it is pretty clear what Obama meant. Any body who runs a business knows that Gov. is out there daily trying to shut you down.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Yes, fire Karl Rove.

Baron Scarpia
Logan, UT

The biggest myth I see coming from GOP rhetoric in recent years is that government is evil.

Anyone who has studied business knows that government has always had a major hand in entrepreneurship and business development. From public education to research and development to the roads, bridges, and Internet connections, government has built the foundation of business and economic prosperity. Indeed, had the government NOT built the Internet and had Al Gore NOT sponsored legislation in 1992 allowing businesses to operate on the Internet, you'd not have Google, Facebook, Amazon, and eBay today.

The GOP may be the political party for business, but it does a disservice to its core constituents by promoting the idea that government is evil. Yes, government has waste, but to literally proclaim that ALL government regulation and investment in future technology and projects are wasteful simply denies what made America the greatest nation on earth.

one vote
Salt Lake City, UT

Also, what is this newpaper's position about releasing tax returns. That would be an important opinion.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

Context gets removed so often when statements are repeated that I seldom believe the message anymore.

red state pride
Cottonwood Heights, UT

“When we invested in the Hoover Dam or the Golden Gate Bridge, or the Internet, sending a man to the moon — all those things benefited everybody. And so that’s the vision that I want to carry forward.”- President Obama from the same speech

“You will never see another federal dam.” - Deanna Archuleta, Deputy Assistant to the Secretary of the Interior in a speech to an environmentalist group in Nevada

I don't think this man is truly interested in "infrastructure". After half a trillion spent on "shovel-ready" projects exactly what do we have to show for it?
Let's also consider how much business succeeds in America in spite of things someone else built e.g. - a convoluted mess of a tax code, regulations for days etc etc

Emajor
Ogden, UT

Great editorial, and very balanced. But from some of the posts already appearing here, you can tell it isn't sinking in with a lot of people. The sooner that each of us figures out that our own preferred political party lies compulsively to win public favor and elections, the sooner we can demand that this obnoxious cherry-picking of quotes stop.

BrentBot
Salt Lake City, UT

It is not surprising that "Professor Obama", who taught a class at the University of Chicago on the Saul Alinsky Method, employs the Saul Alinsky method. This tactic says "repeat a lie frequently enough, and be out with it first, and the majority of the people will believe you"

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

Great editorial that is much needed.

@red state pride
Only about 40 billion of it was allocated for infrastructure. The Dems wanted 80 billion but Republicans forced cuts or else they'd just filibuster it (at the tiem there were 41 Republicans).

Emajor
Ogden, UT

BrentBot,
Did you miss the part of the editorial where they showed Republicans lying about Obama?

Here's a few quick examples of conservative political lies repeated often to sway public opinion:

Obama's birth certificate (surprise! he's American!)
Suggesting Obama is a Muslim (He just goes to a Christian church to throw everyone off)
Accusing Obama of being a Communist (please read about what Communism actually is)
Government takeover of healthcare
Government getting between you and your doctor
Obama will take your guns (I'll bet you still have them)
Obama hates America
Obama is waging class warfare
Obama hates success (he's a self-made millionaire)
Karl Rove's political tactics
Michelle Bachmann's frequent erroneous accusations
Just about anything Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh say
Swift Boat Veteran campaign in 2004 (lying helped turn an election in that one)

Please, feel free to make a similar list of liberal political lies. They're out there. Between the two of us we can probably show just how ruined our political dialogue is in America.

E & EE
PROVO, UT

If you read the entire context around the quote in question it is very obvious that Obama's critics are right: he believes that business owners can take little to no credit for any of their success. Apparently he forgets that business owners pay taxes and therefore did build "that".

To Baron Scarpia: anyone who has studied history and economics has found that business (and the economy) has done best when government gets out of the way. You're right that government has had a major hand in business for a long time. That hand has been mostly destructive and counter productive. If you ever get a chance, read "Free to Choose" by Milton Friedman and you'll see just how much better life would be if government stayed out of the way more.

one old man
Ogden, UT

Misrepresentation. Lies. Money. Power. More Power.

Isn't that what politics is all about?

The big question is how can that be changed?

Flashback
Kearns, UT

The editorial writers are putting words in Obama's mouth. You logic just doesn't add up. Inserting words into his qoute to support your position is total supposition and reminds me of the MSNBC freaks and their rhetorical stretches and lies. Yes the government has its place and does some good things in the past and will again in the future, the problem is that Obama believes that the government is the be all and end all. Your editorial sounds like the late Rodney King when he said, "can't we all just get along?".

I'm going to use my own rhetorical stretch when I quote Revelations 3:16-"So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth."
The editorial writers need to quit trying to hog the middle of the road.

Tulip
West Jordan, UT

This type of rhetoric is never going to end. The American people need to do their own homework and come to their own conclusions. For me, it's mostly about the economy. President O'bama may have inherited a crisis but his policies have only made it worse. I started with a small company in 2008 that had 70 employees. We are down to 25 with more cuts coming. Do I believe Romney can turn it around? Don't know. But I do know O'bama can't. America has surely seen better days regarding growth and surplus. How about we go back to those policies!

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Agree. Good points.

Re:Brentbot
Ahh come'on.
One of the first ads Romney aired was a cut and paste job.

The ad, which Romey played during the primaries last year, Obama is heard saying "if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose."
But when Mr. Obama made that statement, he was actually quoting an aide to John McCain, his 2008 rival for the presidency.
"Senator McCain's campaign actually said, and I quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose," Mr. Obama said.

In an email to Politico, the Romney camp said it used the out-of-context quote "intentionally."

Romney also wrote a book falsely accusing Obama of apologizing for America, when it could be easily said Obama touted America's strengths.

It's too bad we voters allow this crap and just feed into what has become a colossal waste of money called a presidential campaign.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

Very poor comparison DNews in one case MSNBC tried and did misrepresent the intent of the speaker. In the case of Mr. Obama his intent was to show that private enterprise builders were not "private" or "independent", but were the benefactors of government supported others. Mr. Limbaugh, Mr. Romney and others were correct in their description of the intent and the context your article provides clearly shows this. Here is the question from where did the revenues come to build the roads, the"Hoover Dams", bridges, the support for broad based public education? How would this President answer this question, how would the editorial writer answer the question, how would the founder of Papa John's or Mitt Romney answer the question. And, how you and I answer this question and which answerers are in the majority come November will determine whether liberty prevails or tyranny triumphs and ends for now and perhaps the future the American "myth" on which the dreams of the modern world were built and sustained.

Soul
Salt Lake City, UT

If you've got a business, you didn't build that [i.e the roads, bridges, and unbelievable American system.] Somebody else made that happen."

OR

If you've got a business, you didn't build that [i.e your small business.] Somebody else made that happen."

I think BO is correct, he did not become a millionaire community organizer on his own, someone else made that happen.

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

In other words, it would be very nice if political advertising stopped being political advertising.
I would love it if the focus on both sides was on policy. That isn't the case, and never has been, at least since the days when Jefferson was being called an atheist who had children by one of his slaves, and Adams was accused of high treason for supporting the Jay treaty.
Politics is rough business. The best approach is to have some humor about it, laugh at the human folly displayed on all sides, and then carefully sort out where they stand on policy.

Wally West
SLC, UT

re: one old man 9:02 a.m. July 21, 2012

Confucius once said, "The journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."

The 1st two steps IMO in the journey are; 1) Stop voting for Ivy Leaguers, & 2) End the Fed

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