This is fantastic news for Utah and the Utes! Before you leave a
contentious statement about this good news, please remember who you are and what
you represent.Go UTES!!
"NCTC... from Anchorage AK to Suwanee FL" direct from the NCTC webpage.
Just as I thought, the word 'co-op', pointing to an
association of little independent cable operators nationwide, enabling them to
get the signal... if they want it, if they have room on their system and so
forth.Congrats Utes, you're going independent!
So before this the network was in 40 million homes. How many more homes does
"Negotiations with DirectTV, AT&T and Dish Network are still
ongoing."Sounds suspiciously like the kind of wishful thinking
we heard before the Mtn was launched. It'll be interesting to see how many
Utah football games are shuffled off to the PAC 12 subscription-only Network,
instead of being televised on the national networks.
sammyg,Glad to see you're STILL in denial. The world
wouldn't be right if you weren't always so wrong.phantomblade,It should help you sleep better to know that EVERY
Utah game will be on no less than the National Pac 12 station. Other options
include basic tier national channels such as FX, FOX, and the ESPN family of
networks (including ABC). The regional stations are for other programming and
probably some football game reruns.Nice to see that the Pac 12 has
basically nailed down the entire cable tv situation. It won't be long
before DirecTV and Dish get taken care of ... whatever will Duckhunter and
MotortrikeSorry but I really believe you're going to be sadly
disappointed when the possible viewership numbers come in, we're talking
about rural telco / cable tv co-ops here, think Strata Network in Roosevelt,
Centra-Com in Fairview, etc. But the harsh reality is finding anyone
outside of the 6 states of the PAC that gives a flying hoot.I wonder
how many of those 950 member cable coops are located in the six states?Answer... Not too many! LOL
motorbike"EVERY Utah game will be on no less than the National
Pac 12 station."Subscription only, like the B1G network, except
with more limited coverage nationally.It's almost comical that
Northern Colorado at unranked Utah is the inaugural game on the PAC 12
Network.BYU can sorta, kinda relate...BYU at then #3
Pittsburgh was the inaugural nationally televised college football game...on ESPN!
Great news, now lets get DirectTV on board.@sammyg: I
think Larry Scott knows what he's doing just a fraction more than you.
Here's someone who disagrees with you:"Sources close to the
Pac12 Network launch have estimated the value of the deal will exceed the Big10
Network’s previously record setting 25-year $232 million contract. This
will put an estimated overall value of the Pac12’s new TV contract and
Network contract in the neighborhood of $500-million. That’s half a
billion dollars to you and me. This is more than double the TV revenue generated
by the Big10, Big12 and SEC. We’re talking serious money.Ultimately what this all means is that Americans have an insatiable appetite
for college football, and they are willing to spend big money to satisfy it.
What is also means is that a product people want to buy (Pac12 football) will
command a premium over a product people don’t care about (Big East
football)." -- Rock Mayock@skywalkerI am willing to
bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984 preseason "#3
sammyg,You do realize the Pac 12 has already nailed down the major
cable networks right? The article was simply referring to the co-op which is as
you've stated, a bunch of smaller cable outlets. In other words, the Pac 12
has cable taken care of ... seriously, you ought to consider taking the blinders
off.Skywalker,You've got things backwards and
sideways. The national Pac 12 station will not be "subscription only."
It will be on basic cable packages. The regional networks will be subscription
for areas outside of the region you live in - ie: Pac 12 Rocky MTN will be on
basic cable packages for people in the Utah/Colorado region. These same people
would pay about $8.50 per/mo (the rumor) for additional channels such as Pac 12
SoCal.Here's where you're really off base ... the Pac 12 network
has already solidified deals that eclipse television sets the B1G network rolled
out to when they launched. And the Pac 12 hasn't even added satellite
yet.In the future I suggest you stick to what you actually know rather
than saying what you wish was true.
sammy, Earlier this year DNews reported that Utah's TV deal
payout is expected to top out at $32MM per year by 2015. Everything I've
read about BYUs TV deal indicates that it's worth about $800k per game, or
less that $10MM per season. The numbers may not be exact, but directionally you
can see which school has the better deal. Anyone with half a brain
would gladly welcome NCTC to the fold since it's part of the master plan to
deliver $32MM. Dish and DirectTV will be aboard soon.
Don't give the Yners any facts. They can't handle the truth because
they mostly live in a fantasy world. Obsessing and hating on the Utes is all
they really know and have. (tammyg, ducky) I really hope Direct gets
on board soon. Spanish Fork has a pretty good cable network of their own, but
Direct is a lot better. Worst case scenario, I'll turn cable back on for
the football season until things are solidified. Cannot wait for the season to
...and it all comes down to winning games. Good teams pull bigger audiences (see
last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU games pulled bigger audiences even though
BYU games were "available" to more homes). What matters most from here
on out is that Utah continues to improve and get press (more mentions on ESPN
than BYU last year) and win...otherwise all that audience disappears pretty
fast. So let's not pound our chests until the real numbers are in: at the
end of the season.
motorbikeSorry to burst your bubble, but I checked Comcast cable
package listings online and talked to a sales representive at ComcastThe National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL NOT be on of any
"basic cable packages". Just like the Big Ten Network, the National PAC
12 Network will only be included in the "Digital Premier" package (the
most expensive package offered by Comcast), or as a $10 "Sports
Entertainment Package" add-on to a "Digital Starter" package or
higher.In the future I suggest you stick to something you actually
know rather than saying what you wish was true.
hymn to the silent"...and it all comes down to winning games.
Good teams pull bigger audiences (see last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU
games pulled bigger audiences even though BYU games were "available" to
more homes)."Ratings point = 1,159,000 viewersESPN
BYU at Ole Miss: 1.5ESPN2 BYU at Texas 1.6 ESPN2 BYU vs. Utah 0.6ESPN BYU vs. UCF 1.6ESPN BYU vs USU 1.6ESPNBYU at TCU 0.4 ESPN2BYU vs Idaho 0.3Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating
numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences"
than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?BYUtv partnered with
Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in
Utah and was the second-most watched TV program during the weekend behind only
the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game. By agreement with Fox, BYU is restricted from
releasing the rating numbers.It is interesting that Utah at BYU was
BYU's LOWEST rated game in September. So much for Utah's
"I am willing to bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984
preseason "#3 Pittsburgh" (3-7-1)."I'd double down
on that bet as many times as the house would allow.BYU (#7 in 1983)
helped premier the "World Wide Leader" on the road against preseason #3
Pittsburgh. Fans watching the game couldn't have cared less how the two
teams would eventually finish - BYU(13-0) National Champions and
Pittsburgh(3-7-1).BYU's game at Pittsburgh was a Saturday early
afternoon game on the East Coast.Utah (unranked in 2011) will help
premier the "PAC 12 Network" at home against a Big Sky team that
finished 0-12 last season and was ranked #207.Utah's game vs.
Northern Colorado will be a Thursday 5:15 p.m. game in Utah; 4:15 p.m. Pacific
and Arizona Time.How many PAC 12 fans do you think will be rushing
home from work on a Thursday afternoon to watch the Utes scrimmage against the
Bears? The numbers will be so small, Nielsen will be checking their
equipment to see if it's still connected.Enjoy!
"Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that
"UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just
blowing smoke?"midmajor:Find the the numbers for the
2011 Helicopter Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech
was nearly double that of the mid-major battle between the y and Tulsa. Put that in you pipe.
35 games. Thats 39% of the PAC 12 football games. Its a start but currently
leaves the PAC 12 at a disadvantage to Notre Dame and BYU in the exposure
midpacmajor"BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at
Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the SECOND-MOST
WATCH TV program during the weekend behind ONLY the Cowboys-Patriots NFL
game."How can that possibly be?Our friend, "hymn
to the silent," insists that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences,"
yet BYU at Oregon State obviously pulled a bigger audience than Utah at
Pittsburgh, which was played the same day, October 15th.
@midmajorI couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular
season games, but here's what I found for the postseason:Nielsen Rating 2011:Utah vs GTech 2.6BYU vs Tulsa 1.43 ... the 2nd
lowest rated bowl gameNielsen Rating 2010:Utah vs Boise 3.6BYU vs UTEP 1.8Nielsen Rating 2009:Utah vs Cal 2.4BYU
vs Oregon State 2.2 ... the lowest rated bowl gameNielsen Rating
2008:Utah vs Bama 13.4BYU vs Oregon State 3.4
JohnInSLC"midmajor: Find the the numbers for the 2011 Helicopter
Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech was nearly double
that of the mid-major battle between the BYU and Tulsa."The
Armed Forces bowl was a Friday, noon ET, 10 a.m. MT start.The Sun
Bowl was a Saturday, 2 p.m. ET, noon MT start.Hardly an
apples-to-apples comparison of drawing power - nice try though.Put
that in your pipe, and then produce some numbers from the regular season when
Utah was "supposedly" drawing bigger audiences on Fox 13, than BYU was
drawing on ESPN.-----------Uteology"I
couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular season games,..."Of course you couldn't, so you resorted to numbers from bowl games
where Boise State, California, Alabama and the Sugar Bowl were the main draws,
NOT Utah... as for the Sun and Armed Forces Bowls, see above.
@Snack PACThe "main draw" in 2009 was...Vegas
Bowl #16 BYU (10-2) vs #13 Oregon State (8-3) ... rating 2.2Poinsettia BowlUtah (9-3) vs Cal (8-4) ... rating 2.4So even
with a better bowl, better teams the "legacy program" couldn't
muster up good enough Nielsen Ratings? Go figure!
Uteology:You still haven't produced regular season numbers from
2011, when Utah was "supposedly" drawing larger audiences on Fox 13,
than BYU was drawing on ESPN.A comparison of two late-night,
mid-week bowl games when BYU was playing Oregon State (with a very small
fanbase), while Utah was playing California (with a hugh fanbase) is hardly
adequate proof of Utah's "superior" drawing power.----------btw, #14 BCS/#15 AP BYU dominated #18 BCS/#16 AP Oregon
State so completely, that it dropped Oregon State completely out of the final
rankings - costing BYU one of those coveted wins over a "ranked BCS"
opponent.The Cougars would have been better off only beating the
Beavers by a touchdown or two - at least according to the convoluted ratings
formulae of the kids on the hill.Go figure!
@hymn to the silentI challenge you to produce evidence of your
claim. I know you cannot because it is false but I will be awaiting your
@SnackTrue but I never claimed Utah is a "legacy program"
with a "national brand" while trying to put down my rival as a
"commuter school".The lack of TV ratings for BYU games is
adequate proof that BYU isn't a "legacy program" with a
"national brand". Because if it was you wouldn't need to use
Oregon Stat's "very small fan-base" as an excuse for why your game
was the lowest rated bowl game.
@SnackThe Cougars would have been better off only beating the Beavers by a
touchdown or two - at least according to the convoluted ratings formulae of the
kids on the hill.----------Utah also pounded #18 Pitt
35-7 and #24 Georgia Tech 38-10 who then dropped out one or both polls. So
what? Actually, the Cougars would have been better off if they
could actually beat someone: 2-25 vs AP final ranked teams since 1996. Again, this had nothing to do with Utah. You're a so called
"legacy program", why not try to play like one?
UteologyPittsburgh should never have been ranked in the first place.
The Panthers finished in a four-way time for first (one game ahead of 5th place)
in a seven team conference and weren't ranked at all until the final week
of the regular season when the pollsters panicked and slipped the Panthers into
the polls when it became apparent that the Panthers might get an auto-bid to a
BCS bowl.Instead of fixating on beating "bcs" and
"ranked" teams, the Utes should be concentrating on beating ALL of the
10-loss and losing teams on their schedule.Legacy programs seldom
lose to teams with losing records, which is the difference between being a
perennial Top 25 team, and a team that has to boast about their wins over Top 25
teams, because they're not good enough to actually finish in the Top 25
@CGNice try but the 2004 Pitt was ranked in AP/Coaches:#26/#35 in week 13#28/#30 in week 14#19/#21 in week 15#19/#20 in week 16#25/#28 in Final RankingsSource: ESPNPerennial top 25 legacy programs don't boast about wins against
cupcakes only and national brands don't have the lowest rated bowl games.
This is not an opinion, go do some research.
"Of course you couldn't, so you resorted to numbers from bowl games
where Boise State, California, Alabama and the Sugar Bowl were the main draws,
NOT Utah... as for the Sun and Armed Forces Bowls, see above."That may very well be true. But how do you explaim a BYU program with a
supposed "national following" and an who supposedly an ESPN flagship not
transcending those numbers? Maybe your not the main draw you think you are???
Exciting! What next - PBS?
UteologyNice try, but the 2004 Pitt was NOT ranked in AP/Coaches
until the final week of the regular season, just as BC said:Pittsburgh's final regular season game was played in week 15.#26/#35 in week 13 (NOT ranked in AP/Coaches Top 25)#28/#30 in week 14
(NOT ranked in AP/Coaches Top 25)#19/#21 in week 15 (final regular season
game; ranked for the first time in AP/Coaches)#19/#20 in week 16 (ranked
in polls released the week after Pittsburgh's final game)#25/#28 in
Final Rankings (ranked ONLY in AP Top 25)----------IbleedcrimsonBYU doesn't have to explain anything -
BYU's 8-year exclusive contract with ESPN is proof enough of BYU's
national drawing power. If the bean counters at ESPN didn't think BYU could
generate enough national interest for ESPN to make a profit, the BYU-ESPN
partnership never would have been created in the first place.11 of
BYU's 13 games last season were televised by ESPN.Contrast that
with Utah, which was completely ignored by ESPN/ABC when televised games were
being decided last August.
Lots of bantering back and forth, with each side distorting statistics to try
and make their point.Here's what we know:BYU's
contract with ESPN has paid huge dividends in money and exposure. BYU's
schedule improved in 2013, just like Holmoe said it would, to rival most
conference schedules (excluding SEC).PAC12's new media contract
will pay even bigger dividends in money. Most of the games will be televised
outside of basic cable / satelite packages. If you are a fan of the U, you are
paying more to go watch a game at the stadium (since ticket prices went up) and
if you want to watch at home you have have to pay more for special packages
(just like The MTN). It's great that the university is making a bazillion
dollars, but guess who is paying for it - you the fan!We also know
the PAC12 is the only "major" conference not to win a championship in
the BCS era. I'm happy to watch my Cougars on ESPN or BYUtv
that are included in my basic DirecTV package. The university is making more
and it doesn't cost me anything.
@Uteanymous,Your comment: The National PAC 12 Network (available
August 15th), WILL NOT be on any "basic cable packages"WRONG!!!From SI: "In Pac-12 states, the national and/or
appropriate regional network (Washington, Oregon, Northern California, Southern
California, Arizona or Colorado/Utah) will be available on basic cable from day
one. The national network will be available on those companies' digital
sports tiers in other parts of the country."And then
there's this:"Whereas the five-year-old Big Ten Network spent its
first year in contentious negotiations with cable networks (today it has 45
million subscribers and is available in 80 million homes), and the first-year
Longhorn Network is still only available to a scant few, the Pac-12 can already
claim its networks will be available in 40 million homes."Mind
you this was before they worked things out for all the cable co-ops and before
settling negotiations with the satellite vendors, which will happen,
guaranteed.So there you have it, a large portion of the country will
be watching two Pac 12 stations from their basic tier cable package.So now who was it that was WISHING what they were saying was true?
MotorbikeAm I missing something here? Which number is bigger 6 or
44?Regional networks free in their respective regions and the
national network free as well 'in region'. Then you say..."The national network will be available on those companies' digital
sports tiers in other parts of the country."The last I observed
is that the PAC is located across only 6 states, not a "large portion of the
country". Would that be an indication that the PAC Network might be a
premium subscription service or sports tier package in 44 states? "So there you have it, a large portion of the country will (NOT) be
watching two Pac 12 stations from their basic tier cable package."Nice try, but we will know soon enough.This NCTC co-op deal is
really not much except for the little cable companies and fans in the six
states.For the few 1000's of Ute fans outside of Utah it's
a great day, maybe?
sammyg,You crack me up. If you want to think the Pac 12 tv deal
isn't that great, go ahead and keep thinking that way. You're joined
in that thought process with several other BYU fans and that's about it.First of all you're incorrect about 6 states ... you'll find
that the "regions" aren't tied to just the states that have a
University. The regions and main network channel will have overlap into several
other western states.That being said, you are certainly correct that
the network will not be on basic tiers in a lot of states. So what? How many
sports fans in the U.S. do you think have basic cable to begin with?I for one have the B1G network. Why? Because I pay for a decent cable package.
That's right, I'm not a 75 year old penny-pinching BYU fan. Open your
eyes to reality ... reality is that the Pac 12 network has more momentum going
into it's first season than any other conference affiliated station to date
and that's before satellite arrangements have been worked out.The fact is, this is killing you inside.
MotorbikeNever said it wasn't great, it's just not as big
as you think it is.You are so desperate for fans and attention and I
know it kills you to say that I'm right on a point or two. It still remains
to be seen that your vision of regional networks is anything but these 6
states.Fine, let's add Idaho, Montana, Nevada and New Mexico to
your so called contiguous geographic area, throw in the 2 Utah fans living in
Wyoming and you have locked up a 'huge' area of the US that no one
lives in. There's your 'regional' networks and I'm willing
to bet that you are still wrong. You are grasping for straws to
think that there's a sizable fanbase out there somewhere outside of the six
states.And yes, I am so 'tortured' by all of this. But again this story was about the NCTC deal, I've never refuted
the 40 million CATV deal except for stating that it was going to be a
subscription deal, similar to the Big 10 Network... and it still is. How many of
those subscribers are in Pac country.
sammyg"How many of those subscribers are in Pac country."I guess you don't think many people live in the state of
California. Add Vegas, Denver, Seattle, SLC, Phoenix, Portland, etc. A more
direct answer to your question, A LOT of subscribers are in Pac country.Arguments about what cable package the networks will be on, and for what
regions of the country, etc, etc, are silly anyway. The brass tacks will be how
many televisions ACTUALLY tuned into the games. Let's both take a look at
the nielson ratings at the end of the season and see how BYUTV and BYU ESPN
broadcasts stack up to the Utah games.I'd wager that even if
the PAC 12 doesn't get satellite figured out (which they probably will)
that Utah games on the Pac 12 network will get higher ratings than any game on
your beloved BYUTV on basic cable. The only viewers on BYUTV will be BYU fans
and those who left the tv on following Little House on the Prairie.
motordudeThe National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL
NOT be on any "basic cable packages" offered by Comcast, THE LARGEST
cable company that has agreed to carry the PAC 12 Network.Feel free
to call Comcast and ask what tier of programming you have to subscribe to get
the 12 Network - GUARANTEED it's not included with any their
"basic" tier packages without paying extra for a Sports Package
Upgrade.Try doing a little basic research with the actual cable
providers instead of wishfully believing everything you read on line.
MotorbikeYou crack ME up."Arguments about what cable
package the networks will be on, and for what regions of the country, etc, etc,
are silly anyway. The brass tacks will be how many televisions ACTUALLY tuned
into the games."Why the sudden change of topic?Well
duh, it is silly because the regional networks will only be in the local
regional states, all six of them. Glad you finally figured that out and now it
appears that Comcast is going to treat the Pac Network like the Big 10 Network,
a subscription service or a sports tier package, imagine that.Let me
know those Nielsen ratings for Wahoo Nebraska will ya?
Snack PAC -Regarding: "Feel free to call Comcast and ask what
tier of programming you have to subscribe to get the 12 Network - GUARANTEED
it's not included with any their "basic" tier packages without
paying extra for a Sports Package Upgrade."Uhhhhm, called
Comcast, unlike you who pretended you did. Got news for you ... Pac 12 Network
and the Utah/Colorado regional channel will be included in the Digital Starter
package which is Comcast's BASIC CABLE package.So.... Snack PAC
= FAIL!______Sammyg -I guess that answers your
question too (concerning changing topics on you). How pathetic. Obviously I
wasn't changing topics deliberately as I already know what my cable
situation is without talking to uninformed cougar fans such as yourself. Now
what I WAS doing was getting to what truly does matter most ... eyeballs on TV
sets. In regard to that, I'll stand behind my comment that Utah will have a
lot more eyeballs on their games than BYU will have on theirs. I'll be
happy to catch up with you throughout the season if you'd like to revisit
this topic. Can't wait.
MotorbikeFAILHow convenient to call 'basic'
cable the new and improved 'digital starter' package and basic service
as 'economy'.Will the real 'basic package'
please stand up?P. T Barnum is alive and well."The
numbers will be so small, Nielsen will be checking their equipment to see if
it's still connected."LOL
MotorbikeThis just in...Good news! Add 24 million
potential subscribers from the total NCTC deal! But wait, if we
averaged them across 50 states, that would only be about 3 million for CA, AZ,
OR, UT, CO and WA. And remember, there's hardly a 'rural'
contingency in any of these states.Let me know when you find a Ute
fan in 'rural' America! LOL
midpacmajorDo you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up
your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or
are you just blowing smoke?BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the
BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the
second-most watched TV program during the weekend behind only the
Cowboys-Patriots NFL game. By agreement with Fox, BYU is restricted from
releasing the rating numbers.It is interesting that Utah at BYU was
BYU's LOWEST rated game in September. So much for Utah's
"draw"._____Yawn.Why didn't you post
the Utah numbers in the first place?
Were can I find BYU TV on my local cable provider to watch reruns of the 54-10
thrashing last year?Wait a minute, I have to pay extra to watch BYU TV
here. No thanks, I already pay to watch ESPN.And BYU is 6-9 all time
against San Jose St!Oh boy! That game is going to generate some real
ratings this season.