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Published: Friday, July 20 2012 5:36 p.m. MDT

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Wookie
Omaha, NE

This is fantastic news for Utah and the Utes!

Before you leave a contentious statement about this good news, please remember who you are and what you represent.

Go UTES!!

sammyg
Springville, UT

"NCTC... from Anchorage AK to Suwanee FL" direct from the NCTC webpage.

Just as I thought, the word 'co-op', pointing to an association of little independent cable operators nationwide, enabling them to get the signal... if they want it, if they have room on their system and so forth.

Congrats Utes, you're going independent!

MAFU_1976
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

So before this the network was in 40 million homes. How many more homes does this add?

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

"Negotiations with DirectTV, AT&T and Dish Network are still ongoing."

Sounds suspiciously like the kind of wishful thinking we heard before the Mtn was launched. It'll be interesting to see how many Utah football games are shuffled off to the PAC 12 subscription-only Network, instead of being televised on the national networks.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

sammyg,

Glad to see you're STILL in denial. The world wouldn't be right if you weren't always so wrong.

phantomblade,

It should help you sleep better to know that EVERY Utah game will be on no less than the National Pac 12 station. Other options include basic tier national channels such as FX, FOX, and the ESPN family of networks (including ABC). The regional stations are for other programming and probably some football game reruns.

Nice to see that the Pac 12 has basically nailed down the entire cable tv situation. It won't be long before DirecTV and Dish get taken care of ... whatever will Duckhunter and sammyg do?

sammyg
Springville, UT

Motortrike

Sorry but I really believe you're going to be sadly disappointed when the possible viewership numbers come in, we're talking about rural telco / cable tv co-ops here, think Strata Network in Roosevelt, Centra-Com in Fairview, etc.

But the harsh reality is finding anyone outside of the 6 states of the PAC that gives a flying hoot.

I wonder how many of those 950 member cable coops are located in the six states?

Answer... Not too many! LOL

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

motorbike

"EVERY Utah game will be on no less than the National Pac 12 station."

Subscription only, like the B1G network, except with more limited coverage nationally.

It's almost comical that Northern Colorado at unranked Utah is the inaugural game on the PAC 12 Network.

BYU can sorta, kinda relate...

BYU at then #3 Pittsburgh was the inaugural nationally televised college football game...

on ESPN!

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

Great news, now lets get DirectTV on board.

@sammyg:

I think Larry Scott knows what he's doing just a fraction more than you. Here's someone who disagrees with you:

"Sources close to the Pac12 Network launch have estimated the value of the deal will exceed the Big10 Network’s previously record setting 25-year $232 million contract. This will put an estimated overall value of the Pac12’s new TV contract and Network contract in the neighborhood of $500-million. That’s half a billion dollars to you and me. This is more than double the TV revenue generated by the Big10, Big12 and SEC. We’re talking serious money.

Ultimately what this all means is that Americans have an insatiable appetite for college football, and they are willing to spend big money to satisfy it. What is also means is that a product people want to buy (Pac12 football) will command a premium over a product people don’t care about (Big East football)." -- Rock Mayock

@skywalker

I am willing to bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984 preseason "#3 Pittsburgh" (3-7-1).

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

sammyg,

You do realize the Pac 12 has already nailed down the major cable networks right? The article was simply referring to the co-op which is as you've stated, a bunch of smaller cable outlets. In other words, the Pac 12 has cable taken care of ... seriously, you ought to consider taking the blinders off.

Skywalker,

You've got things backwards and sideways. The national Pac 12 station will not be "subscription only." It will be on basic cable packages. The regional networks will be subscription for areas outside of the region you live in - ie: Pac 12 Rocky MTN will be on basic cable packages for people in the Utah/Colorado region. These same people would pay about $8.50 per/mo (the rumor) for additional channels such as Pac 12 SoCal.
Here's where you're really off base ... the Pac 12 network has already solidified deals that eclipse television sets the B1G network rolled out to when they launched. And the Pac 12 hasn't even added satellite yet.
In the future I suggest you stick to what you actually know rather than saying what you wish was true.

U 90
Corona, CA

sammy,

Earlier this year DNews reported that Utah's TV deal payout is expected to top out at $32MM per year by 2015. Everything I've read about BYUs TV deal indicates that it's worth about $800k per game, or less that $10MM per season. The numbers may not be exact, but directionally you can see which school has the better deal.

Anyone with half a brain would gladly welcome NCTC to the fold since it's part of the master plan to deliver $32MM. Dish and DirectTV will be aboard soon.

Wallbanger
Spanish Fork, UT

Don't give the Yners any facts. They can't handle the truth because they mostly live in a fantasy world. Obsessing and hating on the Utes is all they really know and have. (tammyg, ducky)

I really hope Direct gets on board soon. Spanish Fork has a pretty good cable network of their own, but Direct is a lot better. Worst case scenario, I'll turn cable back on for the football season until things are solidified. Cannot wait for the season to start...Go Utes!!

hymn to the silent
Holladay, UT

...and it all comes down to winning games. Good teams pull bigger audiences (see last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU games pulled bigger audiences even though BYU games were "available" to more homes). What matters most from here on out is that Utah continues to improve and get press (more mentions on ESPN than BYU last year) and win...otherwise all that audience disappears pretty fast. So let's not pound our chests until the real numbers are in: at the end of the season.

Uteanymous
Salt Lake City, Utah

motorbike

Sorry to burst your bubble, but I checked Comcast cable package listings online and talked to a sales representive at Comcast

The National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL NOT be on of any "basic cable packages". Just like the Big Ten Network, the National PAC 12 Network will only be included in the "Digital Premier" package (the most expensive package offered by Comcast), or as a $10 "Sports Entertainment Package" add-on to a "Digital Starter" package or higher.

In the future I suggest you stick to something you actually know rather than saying what you wish was true.

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

hymn to the silent

"...and it all comes down to winning games. Good teams pull bigger audiences (see last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU games pulled bigger audiences even though BYU games were "available" to more homes)."

Ratings point = 1,159,000 viewers

ESPN
BYU at Ole Miss: 1.5

ESPN2
BYU at Texas 1.6

ESPN2
BYU vs. Utah 0.6

ESPN
BYU vs. UCF 1.6

ESPN
BYU vs USU 1.6

ESPN
BYU at TCU 0.4

ESPN2
BYU vs Idaho 0.3

Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?

BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the second-most watched TV program during the weekend behind only the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game. By agreement with Fox, BYU is restricted from releasing the rating numbers.

It is interesting that Utah at BYU was BYU's LOWEST rated game in September. So much for Utah's "draw".

midpacmajor
Salt Lake City, Utah

"I am willing to bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984 preseason "#3 Pittsburgh" (3-7-1)."

I'd double down on that bet as many times as the house would allow.

BYU (#7 in 1983) helped premier the "World Wide Leader" on the road against preseason #3 Pittsburgh. Fans watching the game couldn't have cared less how the two teams would eventually finish - BYU(13-0) National Champions and Pittsburgh(3-7-1).

BYU's game at Pittsburgh was a Saturday early afternoon game on the East Coast.

Utah (unranked in 2011) will help premier the "PAC 12 Network" at home against a Big Sky team that finished 0-12 last season and was ranked #207.

Utah's game vs. Northern Colorado will be a Thursday 5:15 p.m. game in Utah; 4:15 p.m. Pacific and Arizona Time.

How many PAC 12 fans do you think will be rushing home from work on a Thursday afternoon to watch the Utes scrimmage against the Bears?

The numbers will be so small, Nielsen will be checking their equipment to see if it's still connected.

Enjoy!

JohnInSLC
Cottonwood Heights, UT

"Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?"

midmajor:

Find the the numbers for the 2011 Helicopter Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech was nearly double that of the mid-major battle between the y and Tulsa.

Put that in you pipe.

Hatch
Sandy, UT

35 games. Thats 39% of the PAC 12 football games. Its a start but currently leaves the PAC 12 at a disadvantage to Notre Dame and BYU in the exposure department.

Riddles in the Dark
Olympus Cove, Utah

midpacmajor

"BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the SECOND-MOST WATCH TV program during the weekend behind ONLY the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game."

How can that possibly be?

Our friend, "hymn to the silent," insists that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences," yet BYU at Oregon State obviously pulled a bigger audience than Utah at Pittsburgh, which was played the same day, October 15th.

Uteology
East Salt Lake City, Utah

@midmajor

I couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular season games, but here's what I found for the postseason:

Nielsen Rating 2011:
Utah vs GTech 2.6
BYU vs Tulsa 1.43 ... the 2nd lowest rated bowl game

Nielsen Rating 2010:
Utah vs Boise 3.6
BYU vs UTEP 1.8

Nielsen Rating 2009:
Utah vs Cal 2.4
BYU vs Oregon State 2.2 ... the lowest rated bowl game

Nielsen Rating 2008:
Utah vs Bama 13.4
BYU vs Oregon State 3.4

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

JohnInSLC

"midmajor: Find the the numbers for the 2011 Helicopter Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech was nearly double that of the mid-major battle between the BYU and Tulsa."

The Armed Forces bowl was a Friday, noon ET, 10 a.m. MT start.

The Sun Bowl was a Saturday, 2 p.m. ET, noon MT start.

Hardly an apples-to-apples comparison of drawing power - nice try though.

Put that in your pipe, and then produce some numbers from the regular season when Utah was "supposedly" drawing bigger audiences on Fox 13, than BYU was drawing on ESPN.

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Uteology

"I couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular season games,..."

Of course you couldn't, so you resorted to numbers from bowl games where Boise State, California, Alabama and the Sugar Bowl were the main draws, NOT Utah... as for the Sun and Armed Forces Bowls, see above.

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