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  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 26, 2012 5:24 p.m.

    Were can I find BYU TV on my local cable provider to watch reruns of the 54-10 thrashing last year?
    Wait a minute, I have to pay extra to watch BYU TV here. No thanks, I already pay to watch ESPN.

    And BYU is 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

    Oh boy! That game is going to generate some real ratings this season.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 26, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    midpacmajor

    Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?

    BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the second-most watched TV program during the weekend behind only the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game. By agreement with Fox, BYU is restricted from releasing the rating numbers.

    It is interesting that Utah at BYU was BYU's LOWEST rated game in September. So much for Utah's "draw".

    _____

    Yawn.
    Why didn't you post the Utah numbers in the first place?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 26, 2012 6:30 a.m.

    Motorbike

    This just in...

    Good news! Add 24 million potential subscribers from the total NCTC deal!

    But wait, if we averaged them across 50 states, that would only be about 3 million for CA, AZ, OR, UT, CO and WA. And remember, there's hardly a 'rural' contingency in any of these states.

    Let me know when you find a Ute fan in 'rural' America! LOL

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 25, 2012 7:48 a.m.

    Motorbike

    FAIL

    How convenient to call 'basic' cable the new and improved 'digital starter' package and basic service as 'economy'.

    Will the real 'basic package' please stand up?

    P. T Barnum is alive and well.

    "The numbers will be so small, Nielsen will be checking their equipment to see if it's still connected."

    LOL

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 10:30 p.m.

    Snack PAC -

    Regarding: "Feel free to call Comcast and ask what tier of programming you have to subscribe to get the 12 Network - GUARANTEED it's not included with any their "basic" tier packages without paying extra for a Sports Package Upgrade."

    Uhhhhm, called Comcast, unlike you who pretended you did. Got news for you ... Pac 12 Network and the Utah/Colorado regional channel will be included in the Digital Starter package which is Comcast's BASIC CABLE package.

    So.... Snack PAC = FAIL!
    ______

    Sammyg -

    I guess that answers your question too (concerning changing topics on you). How pathetic. Obviously I wasn't changing topics deliberately as I already know what my cable situation is without talking to uninformed cougar fans such as yourself. Now what I WAS doing was getting to what truly does matter most ... eyeballs on TV sets. In regard to that, I'll stand behind my comment that Utah will have a lot more eyeballs on their games than BYU will have on theirs. I'll be happy to catch up with you throughout the season if you'd like to revisit this topic. Can't wait.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 24, 2012 9:21 p.m.

    Motorbike

    You crack ME up.

    "Arguments about what cable package the networks will be on, and for what regions of the country, etc, etc, are silly anyway. The brass tacks will be how many televisions ACTUALLY tuned into the games."

    Why the sudden change of topic?

    Well duh, it is silly because the regional networks will only be in the local regional states, all six of them. Glad you finally figured that out and now it appears that Comcast is going to treat the Pac Network like the Big 10 Network, a subscription service or a sports tier package, imagine that.

    Let me know those Nielsen ratings for Wahoo Nebraska will ya?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 24, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    motordude

    The National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL NOT be on any "basic cable packages" offered by Comcast, THE LARGEST cable company that has agreed to carry the PAC 12 Network.

    Feel free to call Comcast and ask what tier of programming you have to subscribe to get the 12 Network - GUARANTEED it's not included with any their "basic" tier packages without paying extra for a Sports Package Upgrade.

    Try doing a little basic research with the actual cable providers instead of wishfully believing everything you read on line.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:57 a.m.

    sammyg

    "How many of those subscribers are in Pac country."

    I guess you don't think many people live in the state of California. Add Vegas, Denver, Seattle, SLC, Phoenix, Portland, etc. A more direct answer to your question, A LOT of subscribers are in Pac country.

    Arguments about what cable package the networks will be on, and for what regions of the country, etc, etc, are silly anyway. The brass tacks will be how many televisions ACTUALLY tuned into the games. Let's both take a look at the nielson ratings at the end of the season and see how BYUTV and BYU ESPN broadcasts stack up to the Utah games.

    I'd wager that even if the PAC 12 doesn't get satellite figured out (which they probably will) that Utah games on the Pac 12 network will get higher ratings than any game on your beloved BYUTV on basic cable. The only viewers on BYUTV will be BYU fans and those who left the tv on following Little House on the Prairie.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 24, 2012 11:26 a.m.

    Motorbike

    Never said it wasn't great, it's just not as big as you think it is.

    You are so desperate for fans and attention and I know it kills you to say that I'm right on a point or two. It still remains to be seen that your vision of regional networks is anything but these 6 states.

    Fine, let's add Idaho, Montana, Nevada and New Mexico to your so called contiguous geographic area, throw in the 2 Utah fans living in Wyoming and you have locked up a 'huge' area of the US that no one lives in. There's your 'regional' networks and I'm willing to bet that you are still wrong.

    You are grasping for straws to think that there's a sizable fanbase out there somewhere outside of the six states.

    And yes, I am so 'tortured' by all of this.

    But again this story was about the NCTC deal, I've never refuted the 40 million CATV deal except for stating that it was going to be a subscription deal, similar to the Big 10 Network... and it still is. How many of those subscribers are in Pac country.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 24, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    sammyg,

    You crack me up. If you want to think the Pac 12 tv deal isn't that great, go ahead and keep thinking that way. You're joined in that thought process with several other BYU fans and that's about it.

    First of all you're incorrect about 6 states ... you'll find that the "regions" aren't tied to just the states that have a University. The regions and main network channel will have overlap into several other western states.

    That being said, you are certainly correct that the network will not be on basic tiers in a lot of states. So what? How many sports fans in the U.S. do you think have basic cable to begin with?

    I for one have the B1G network. Why? Because I pay for a decent cable package. That's right, I'm not a 75 year old penny-pinching BYU fan. Open your eyes to reality ... reality is that the Pac 12 network has more momentum going into it's first season than any other conference affiliated station to date and that's before satellite arrangements have been worked out.

    The fact is, this is killing you inside.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 24, 2012 8:07 a.m.

    Motorbike

    Am I missing something here? Which number is bigger 6 or 44?

    Regional networks free in their respective regions and the national network free as well 'in region'. Then you say...

    "The national network will be available on those companies' digital sports tiers in other parts of the country."

    The last I observed is that the PAC is located across only 6 states, not a "large portion of the country". Would that be an indication that the PAC Network might be a premium subscription service or sports tier package in 44 states?

    "So there you have it, a large portion of the country will (NOT) be watching two Pac 12 stations from their basic tier cable package."

    Nice try, but we will know soon enough.

    This NCTC co-op deal is really not much except for the little cable companies and fans in the six states.

    For the few 1000's of Ute fans outside of Utah it's a great day, maybe?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    @Uteanymous,

    Your comment: The National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL NOT be on any "basic cable packages"

    WRONG!!!

    From SI:
    "In Pac-12 states, the national and/or appropriate regional network (Washington, Oregon, Northern California, Southern California, Arizona or Colorado/Utah) will be available on basic cable from day one. The national network will be available on those companies' digital sports tiers in other parts of the country."

    And then there's this:
    "Whereas the five-year-old Big Ten Network spent its first year in contentious negotiations with cable networks (today it has 45 million subscribers and is available in 80 million homes), and the first-year Longhorn Network is still only available to a scant few, the Pac-12 can already claim its networks will be available in 40 million homes."

    Mind you this was before they worked things out for all the cable co-ops and before settling negotiations with the satellite vendors, which will happen, guaranteed.

    So there you have it, a large portion of the country will be watching two Pac 12 stations from their basic tier cable package.

    So now who was it that was WISHING what they were saying was true?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 23, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Lots of bantering back and forth, with each side distorting statistics to try and make their point.

    Here's what we know:

    BYU's contract with ESPN has paid huge dividends in money and exposure. BYU's schedule improved in 2013, just like Holmoe said it would, to rival most conference schedules (excluding SEC).

    PAC12's new media contract will pay even bigger dividends in money. Most of the games will be televised outside of basic cable / satelite packages. If you are a fan of the U, you are paying more to go watch a game at the stadium (since ticket prices went up) and if you want to watch at home you have have to pay more for special packages (just like The MTN). It's great that the university is making a bazillion dollars, but guess who is paying for it - you the fan!

    We also know the PAC12 is the only "major" conference not to win a championship in the BCS era.

    I'm happy to watch my Cougars on ESPN or BYUtv that are included in my basic DirecTV package. The university is making more and it doesn't cost me anything.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but the 2004 Pitt was NOT ranked in AP/Coaches until the final week of the regular season, just as BC said:

    Pittsburgh's final regular season game was played in week 15.

    #26/#35 in week 13 (NOT ranked in AP/Coaches Top 25)
    #28/#30 in week 14 (NOT ranked in AP/Coaches Top 25)
    #19/#21 in week 15 (final regular season game; ranked for the first time in AP/Coaches)
    #19/#20 in week 16 (ranked in polls released the week after Pittsburgh's final game)
    #25/#28 in Final Rankings (ranked ONLY in AP Top 25)

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    Ibleedcrimson

    BYU doesn't have to explain anything - BYU's 8-year exclusive contract with ESPN is proof enough of BYU's national drawing power. If the bean counters at ESPN didn't think BYU could generate enough national interest for ESPN to make a profit, the BYU-ESPN partnership never would have been created in the first place.

    11 of BYU's 13 games last season were televised by ESPN.

    Contrast that with Utah, which was completely ignored by ESPN/ABC when televised games were being decided last August.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 23, 2012 8:32 a.m.

    Exciting! What next - PBS?

  • Ibleedcrimson Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 22, 2012 10:40 p.m.

    "Of course you couldn't, so you resorted to numbers from bowl games where Boise State, California, Alabama and the Sugar Bowl were the main draws, NOT Utah... as for the Sun and Armed Forces Bowls, see above."

    That may very well be true. But how do you explaim a BYU program with a supposed "national following" and an who supposedly an ESPN flagship not transcending those numbers? Maybe your not the main draw you think you are???

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 22, 2012 10:03 p.m.

    @CG

    Nice try but the 2004 Pitt was ranked in AP/Coaches:

    #26/#35 in week 13
    #28/#30 in week 14
    #19/#21 in week 15
    #19/#20 in week 16
    #25/#28 in Final Rankings

    Source: ESPN

    Perennial top 25 legacy programs don't boast about wins against cupcakes only and national brands don't have the lowest rated bowl games. This is not an opinion, go do some research.

  • CG Orem, UT
    July 22, 2012 4:29 p.m.

    Uteology

    Pittsburgh should never have been ranked in the first place. The Panthers finished in a four-way time for first (one game ahead of 5th place) in a seven team conference and weren't ranked at all until the final week of the regular season when the pollsters panicked and slipped the Panthers into the polls when it became apparent that the Panthers might get an auto-bid to a BCS bowl.

    Instead of fixating on beating "bcs" and "ranked" teams, the Utes should be concentrating on beating ALL of the 10-loss and losing teams on their schedule.

    Legacy programs seldom lose to teams with losing records, which is the difference between being a perennial Top 25 team, and a team that has to boast about their wins over Top 25 teams, because they're not good enough to actually finish in the Top 25 themselves.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 22, 2012 2:00 p.m.

    @Snack
    The Cougars would have been better off only beating the Beavers by a touchdown or two - at least according to the convoluted ratings formulae of the kids on the hill.

    ----------

    Utah also pounded #18 Pitt 35-7 and #24 Georgia Tech 38-10 who then dropped out one or both polls. So what?

    Actually, the Cougars would have been better off if they could actually beat someone: 2-25 vs AP final ranked teams since 1996.

    Again, this had nothing to do with Utah. You're a so called "legacy program", why not try to play like one?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 22, 2012 1:30 p.m.

    @Snack

    True but I never claimed Utah is a "legacy program" with a "national brand" while trying to put down my rival as a "commuter school".

    The lack of TV ratings for BYU games is adequate proof that BYU isn't a "legacy program" with a "national brand". Because if it was you wouldn't need to use Oregon Stat's "very small fan-base" as an excuse for why your game was the lowest rated bowl game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 22, 2012 9:10 a.m.

    @hymn to the silent

    I challenge you to produce evidence of your claim. I know you cannot because it is false but I will be awaiting your tortured attempt.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 21, 2012 11:15 p.m.

    Uteology:

    You still haven't produced regular season numbers from 2011, when Utah was "supposedly" drawing larger audiences on Fox 13, than BYU was drawing on ESPN.

    A comparison of two late-night, mid-week bowl games when BYU was playing Oregon State (with a very small fanbase), while Utah was playing California (with a hugh fanbase) is hardly adequate proof of Utah's "superior" drawing power.

    ----------

    btw, #14 BCS/#15 AP BYU dominated #18 BCS/#16 AP Oregon State so completely, that it dropped Oregon State completely out of the final rankings - costing BYU one of those coveted wins over a "ranked BCS" opponent.

    The Cougars would have been better off only beating the Beavers by a touchdown or two - at least according to the convoluted ratings formulae of the kids on the hill.

    Go figure!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 10:37 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    The "main draw" in 2009 was...

    Vegas Bowl
    #16 BYU (10-2) vs #13 Oregon State (8-3) ... rating 2.2

    Poinsettia Bowl
    Utah (9-3) vs Cal (8-4) ... rating 2.4

    So even with a better bowl, better teams the "legacy program" couldn't muster up good enough Nielsen Ratings?

    Go figure!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 21, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    "midmajor: Find the the numbers for the 2011 Helicopter Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech was nearly double that of the mid-major battle between the BYU and Tulsa."

    The Armed Forces bowl was a Friday, noon ET, 10 a.m. MT start.

    The Sun Bowl was a Saturday, 2 p.m. ET, noon MT start.

    Hardly an apples-to-apples comparison of drawing power - nice try though.

    Put that in your pipe, and then produce some numbers from the regular season when Utah was "supposedly" drawing bigger audiences on Fox 13, than BYU was drawing on ESPN.

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    Uteology

    "I couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular season games,..."

    Of course you couldn't, so you resorted to numbers from bowl games where Boise State, California, Alabama and the Sugar Bowl were the main draws, NOT Utah... as for the Sun and Armed Forces Bowls, see above.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 9:54 p.m.

    @midmajor

    I couldn't find Nielsen Ratings for Utah regular season games, but here's what I found for the postseason:

    Nielsen Rating 2011:
    Utah vs GTech 2.6
    BYU vs Tulsa 1.43 ... the 2nd lowest rated bowl game

    Nielsen Rating 2010:
    Utah vs Boise 3.6
    BYU vs UTEP 1.8

    Nielsen Rating 2009:
    Utah vs Cal 2.4
    BYU vs Oregon State 2.2 ... the lowest rated bowl game

    Nielsen Rating 2008:
    Utah vs Bama 13.4
    BYU vs Oregon State 3.4

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 21, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    midpacmajor

    "BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the SECOND-MOST WATCH TV program during the weekend behind ONLY the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game."

    How can that possibly be?

    Our friend, "hymn to the silent," insists that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences," yet BYU at Oregon State obviously pulled a bigger audience than Utah at Pittsburgh, which was played the same day, October 15th.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    July 21, 2012 9:01 p.m.

    35 games. Thats 39% of the PAC 12 football games. Its a start but currently leaves the PAC 12 at a disadvantage to Notre Dame and BYU in the exposure department.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 21, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    "Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?"

    midmajor:

    Find the the numbers for the 2011 Helicopter Bowl and Sun Bowl. The audience watching the Utes beat Ga Tech was nearly double that of the mid-major battle between the y and Tulsa.

    Put that in you pipe.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 6:44 p.m.

    "I am willing to bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984 preseason "#3 Pittsburgh" (3-7-1)."

    I'd double down on that bet as many times as the house would allow.

    BYU (#7 in 1983) helped premier the "World Wide Leader" on the road against preseason #3 Pittsburgh. Fans watching the game couldn't have cared less how the two teams would eventually finish - BYU(13-0) National Champions and Pittsburgh(3-7-1).

    BYU's game at Pittsburgh was a Saturday early afternoon game on the East Coast.

    Utah (unranked in 2011) will help premier the "PAC 12 Network" at home against a Big Sky team that finished 0-12 last season and was ranked #207.

    Utah's game vs. Northern Colorado will be a Thursday 5:15 p.m. game in Utah; 4:15 p.m. Pacific and Arizona Time.

    How many PAC 12 fans do you think will be rushing home from work on a Thursday afternoon to watch the Utes scrimmage against the Bears?

    The numbers will be so small, Nielsen will be checking their equipment to see if it's still connected.

    Enjoy!

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 6:24 p.m.

    hymn to the silent

    "...and it all comes down to winning games. Good teams pull bigger audiences (see last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU games pulled bigger audiences even though BYU games were "available" to more homes)."

    Ratings point = 1,159,000 viewers

    ESPN
    BYU at Ole Miss: 1.5

    ESPN2
    BYU at Texas 1.6

    ESPN2
    BYU vs. Utah 0.6

    ESPN
    BYU vs. UCF 1.6

    ESPN
    BYU vs USU 1.6

    ESPN
    BYU at TCU 0.4

    ESPN2
    BYU vs Idaho 0.3

    Do you have any actual Nielsen-rating numbers to back up your boast that "UofU games pulled bigger audiences" than BYU games, or are you just blowing smoke?

    BYUtv partnered with Fox to televise the BYU at Oregon State game. It drew an impressive rating in Utah and was the second-most watched TV program during the weekend behind only the Cowboys-Patriots NFL game. By agreement with Fox, BYU is restricted from releasing the rating numbers.

    It is interesting that Utah at BYU was BYU's LOWEST rated game in September. So much for Utah's "draw".

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 5:57 p.m.

    motorbike

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but I checked Comcast cable package listings online and talked to a sales representive at Comcast

    The National PAC 12 Network (available August 15th), WILL NOT be on of any "basic cable packages". Just like the Big Ten Network, the National PAC 12 Network will only be included in the "Digital Premier" package (the most expensive package offered by Comcast), or as a $10 "Sports Entertainment Package" add-on to a "Digital Starter" package or higher.

    In the future I suggest you stick to something you actually know rather than saying what you wish was true.

  • hymn to the silent Holladay, UT
    July 21, 2012 1:31 p.m.

    ...and it all comes down to winning games. Good teams pull bigger audiences (see last year's Nielsen ratings: UofU games pulled bigger audiences even though BYU games were "available" to more homes). What matters most from here on out is that Utah continues to improve and get press (more mentions on ESPN than BYU last year) and win...otherwise all that audience disappears pretty fast. So let's not pound our chests until the real numbers are in: at the end of the season.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 21, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Don't give the Yners any facts. They can't handle the truth because they mostly live in a fantasy world. Obsessing and hating on the Utes is all they really know and have. (tammyg, ducky)

    I really hope Direct gets on board soon. Spanish Fork has a pretty good cable network of their own, but Direct is a lot better. Worst case scenario, I'll turn cable back on for the football season until things are solidified. Cannot wait for the season to start...Go Utes!!

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 21, 2012 9:58 a.m.

    sammy,

    Earlier this year DNews reported that Utah's TV deal payout is expected to top out at $32MM per year by 2015. Everything I've read about BYUs TV deal indicates that it's worth about $800k per game, or less that $10MM per season. The numbers may not be exact, but directionally you can see which school has the better deal.

    Anyone with half a brain would gladly welcome NCTC to the fold since it's part of the master plan to deliver $32MM. Dish and DirectTV will be aboard soon.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 21, 2012 1:06 a.m.

    sammyg,

    You do realize the Pac 12 has already nailed down the major cable networks right? The article was simply referring to the co-op which is as you've stated, a bunch of smaller cable outlets. In other words, the Pac 12 has cable taken care of ... seriously, you ought to consider taking the blinders off.

    Skywalker,

    You've got things backwards and sideways. The national Pac 12 station will not be "subscription only." It will be on basic cable packages. The regional networks will be subscription for areas outside of the region you live in - ie: Pac 12 Rocky MTN will be on basic cable packages for people in the Utah/Colorado region. These same people would pay about $8.50 per/mo (the rumor) for additional channels such as Pac 12 SoCal.
    Here's where you're really off base ... the Pac 12 network has already solidified deals that eclipse television sets the B1G network rolled out to when they launched. And the Pac 12 hasn't even added satellite yet.
    In the future I suggest you stick to what you actually know rather than saying what you wish was true.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Great news, now lets get DirectTV on board.

    @sammyg:

    I think Larry Scott knows what he's doing just a fraction more than you. Here's someone who disagrees with you:

    "Sources close to the Pac12 Network launch have estimated the value of the deal will exceed the Big10 Network’s previously record setting 25-year $232 million contract. This will put an estimated overall value of the Pac12’s new TV contract and Network contract in the neighborhood of $500-million. That’s half a billion dollars to you and me. This is more than double the TV revenue generated by the Big10, Big12 and SEC. We’re talking serious money.

    Ultimately what this all means is that Americans have an insatiable appetite for college football, and they are willing to spend big money to satisfy it. What is also means is that a product people want to buy (Pac12 football) will command a premium over a product people don’t care about (Big East football)." -- Rock Mayock

    @skywalker

    I am willing to bet Northern Colorado will be a better team than the 1984 preseason "#3 Pittsburgh" (3-7-1).

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 20, 2012 9:43 p.m.

    motorbike

    "EVERY Utah game will be on no less than the National Pac 12 station."

    Subscription only, like the B1G network, except with more limited coverage nationally.

    It's almost comical that Northern Colorado at unranked Utah is the inaugural game on the PAC 12 Network.

    BYU can sorta, kinda relate...

    BYU at then #3 Pittsburgh was the inaugural nationally televised college football game...

    on ESPN!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 20, 2012 9:34 p.m.

    Motortrike

    Sorry but I really believe you're going to be sadly disappointed when the possible viewership numbers come in, we're talking about rural telco / cable tv co-ops here, think Strata Network in Roosevelt, Centra-Com in Fairview, etc.

    But the harsh reality is finding anyone outside of the 6 states of the PAC that gives a flying hoot.

    I wonder how many of those 950 member cable coops are located in the six states?

    Answer... Not too many! LOL

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    sammyg,

    Glad to see you're STILL in denial. The world wouldn't be right if you weren't always so wrong.

    phantomblade,

    It should help you sleep better to know that EVERY Utah game will be on no less than the National Pac 12 station. Other options include basic tier national channels such as FX, FOX, and the ESPN family of networks (including ABC). The regional stations are for other programming and probably some football game reruns.

    Nice to see that the Pac 12 has basically nailed down the entire cable tv situation. It won't be long before DirecTV and Dish get taken care of ... whatever will Duckhunter and sammyg do?

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 8:17 p.m.

    "Negotiations with DirectTV, AT&T and Dish Network are still ongoing."

    Sounds suspiciously like the kind of wishful thinking we heard before the Mtn was launched. It'll be interesting to see how many Utah football games are shuffled off to the PAC 12 subscription-only Network, instead of being televised on the national networks.

  • MAFU_1976 SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 20, 2012 7:58 p.m.

    So before this the network was in 40 million homes. How many more homes does this add?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 20, 2012 7:51 p.m.

    "NCTC... from Anchorage AK to Suwanee FL" direct from the NCTC webpage.

    Just as I thought, the word 'co-op', pointing to an association of little independent cable operators nationwide, enabling them to get the signal... if they want it, if they have room on their system and so forth.

    Congrats Utes, you're going independent!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    July 20, 2012 6:28 p.m.

    This is fantastic news for Utah and the Utes!

    Before you leave a contentious statement about this good news, please remember who you are and what you represent.

    Go UTES!!