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Published: Friday, July 20 2012 12:01 p.m. MDT

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one old man
Ogden, UT

An assault rifle? When will we finally come to our senses and try to understand what our revered Founding Fathers meant when they included the words "Well regulated" in the Second Amendment? Extra capacity clips? Assault rifles? Really?

Or is it just national insanity?

Anti Bush-Obama
Washington, DC

Here comes the UN gun ban that they have been pushing. Be prepared.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

A similar thing happened in Utah several years ago at Trolley Square. It was at this time I decided to get my carry permit so I wouldn't be defenseless in case of such an event. I don't know if Colorado allows conceiled carry, but I do believe that had either a police or an armed citizen been in the theater in Colorado, fewer people would have died.

People may think guns are the problem, but murders occurred long before guns were invented. Also a person with a sword or knife can kill many people in a short amount of time just as they can with a gun. Also knives don't run out of ammunition nor do they emit loud sounds to ward people of the danger.

Liberal Ted
Salt Lake City, UT

More people are killed with knives than guns every year in the US. The club is the number one killer. So before you go after guns, you need to outlaw knives (kitchen, swords, tools), then remove anything that can be used as a club, then the gun.

Put everyone in padded homes with feeding tubes and have drones watch you 24/7.

Then maybe you'll be safe.

The fact of the matter is, no matter what is used(water, ice, guns, knives, drugs, chemicals, stones, sticks, clubs, fists) when a person is unstable and for whatever reason has a desire or anger to kill people they're going to do it. No amount of regulation is going to stop that.

The least the government that cannot protect us from horrible things, is to allow ourselves to be able to defend ourselves if we choose.

Of course barack tells his people to bring a gun to the knife fight. What an example eh?

Utes21
Salt Lake City, ut

Does anyone else notice these gun rampaging massacres are caused by younger individuals? Its usually High School or College aged males, individuals who are mad at the world and want to take out as many people possible in order to feel some sort of power or prove dominance. They seemed to have increased since Colombine High School, at least once a year we hear of these terrible senseless tragedies happening. I mean this happened here in Trolley Square, my brother was there and witnessed this disgruntled youth open fire on innocent people without any thought. I could have lost a member of my family because of some kid who obviously was a mental case was able to obtain a gun. There needs to be tighter restrictions on gun laws or more extensive background checks or something put in place in order to stop guns going into the wrong hands. I know some cases they have stolen weapons from parents but again we need to be responsible with our firearms around children. My prayers go out to the families of these victims. May we as Citizens of this nation band together and prevent more tragedies like this from ever happening.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

I really object to DN and any other news source posting this photograph for all to see.

What a great way to reward the psychopath.

Gun control.

At least the residents in MA had a Governor--Mitt Romney--who was on the right side of the issue and signed an assault weapons ban into state law.

williary
Kearns, UT

Why is it that when something like this happens, gun rights advocates are the ones up in arms and outraged? They immediately assume this will lead to all guns being taken away from Americans. I can't think of a single comment on even this board suggesting that measure. Reasonable people after these cases will question why American citizens need assault rifles, automatic weapons, expanded clips, faster loading killing machines. Nobody is suggesting complete gun bans, just a ban on these more efficient weapons that serve no purpose in the general popoulation, other than to kill faster.

A shooting tragedy occurs and gun rights advocates get paranoid, instead of getting realistic in trying to prevent these mass killings. A knife is a knife, a sword is a sword, for the most part, they are created equal. But every new model of gun seeks to "increase" killing capacity.

I just can't understand how anyone can believe that American citizens should be allowed to purchase these types of guns that are so deadly. They serve no purpose for hunting, or anything else, besides these truly sad events.

Utes21
Salt Lake City, ut

@cjb & Liberal Ted
I get your comments but at the same time how many massacres are caused by one individual carrying a knife. Guns are able to kill many people in a short amount time compared to someone carrying around a knife.I dont understand your logic here? How do you defend yourself from someone aiming a gun at you? With knife attacks you can at least defend yourself by fighting back. I dont of any mass murders in a public place that were caused by a sword or knife?

10CC
Bountiful, UT

I have to agree with Utes21.

I have a hard time imagining how the attacker at Virginia Tech would have been able to kill 32 people in a short period of time with a pair of scissors.

If several other people had assault rifles in the theatre, maybe the number of dead would be lower, but quite possibly the number of dead would be higher, as multiple people would be exchanging gunfire in a dark, crowded area, likely with each other.

Unfortunately, one of the very few lessons that can be drawn from these cases where guns are used to kill lots of people is that "freedom isn't free".

GiuseppeG
Murray, Utah

Thoughts:

Always hate it that any tragedy always seems to spark political rhetoric first. First things first, what a horrible, senseless loss for the victims and their families and heartfelt sympathies to them first of all.

Responses:
re: Williary - the first post I read was a call to ban assault rifles.

re: Utes21 - seems to me that I recall 911 being instigated by perpetrators with knives, ie. box cutters.

re: Utes21 - How do you defend yourself against someone with a gun? My opinion only - 1) you get away if you can. 2) you get away or some safe place if you can. 3) if you can't get away or safe and are going to be shot, disarm the guy if you can. 4) if all else fails and you're still going to get shot...shoot him.

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Obama will surely use this tragic action of a deranged individual as an excuse to call for more gun control schemes, allegedly to make us all safer.

However, even the Center for Disease Control studied all the various gun laws in the U.S. and could not find any evidence that ANY actually reduced crime. They only disarm victims, not criminals.

Obama may demand a Chicago style complete ban on guns. Well, let's look at how well that works, where it has been in place for more than a decade. Just so far this month there have been 27 homicides in Chicago, more than half with guns (which are totally banned, remember?). And last July there were 55 homicides in gun-free Chicago.

I don't know what the solution to insane violence is, but the evidence is clear that it is not a bunch of gun control laws.

And, Mayor Bloomberg's demands for gun control cannot be taken seriously when one source of guns sold to NYC criminals is one of his cops stealing guns from other cops in the police station!

Utahns should consider getting concealed weapons permits, and carrying so they can defend themselves.

Chachi
Charlottesville, VA

Article spellcheck:
Bain is a company co-founded by Mitt Romney.
Bane is the villain in the movie.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

GiuseppeG:

I think a lot of the political rhetoric that comes out of these kinds of tragedies is because there is a deep, deep sense of frustration that *nothing* can be done to stop or significantly reduce gun violence.

We are a nation of problem solvers.

When there are senseless deaths from automobile accidents, there's a policy response: implement safety standards that will make the automobile manufacturers produce safer cars, eg, implement airbags. When there is a horrible airplane crash, the NTSB and FAA investigate and find causes and implement newer safety standards or revised procedures or better technology, resulting in the US air traffic system being the envy of the world.

When it comes to these kinds of predictable "tragedies", there is almost nothing that can be suggested, because we're in a political paralysis on any conversation that has to do with guns. The only response we ever hear is the answer to gun violence is more and easier access to guns.

"If tactical nuclear weapons are outlawed, only outlaws will have tactical nuclear weapons".

Insane, isn't it? That's how the rest of the world sees us on the gun issue.

awsomeron
Waianae, HI

This was a bunch of mostly younger people enjoying a good night out. My Kids could have been there. Do I want most Gun Control? No! This is a very bright yuppie looking guy and he lost it. Stuff Happens.

I believe when they get down to the nitty gritty they will find out that he had peoblems with social relationships, and was perhaps a loner. Him his Computer and his Video Games. In short trouble or the lack of desire for human interaction social or otherwise. When people are like that and Anger because of Failure sets in. People can become less then human in the persons mind. The problem with this and I see it among smart young men often that it iseasier to have a relationship iwth your Computer or Role Play Act out a Video Game. Then form a relationship and suffer the pains of rejection that can come with that. People evan smart people fall into and follow a pattern. More and more people are like this guy, Lone Wolf planning and acting alone. Worse if there is No Facebook or posting on the subject. It Not THe Fault Of The Gun.

Arm of Orion
Cottonwood Heights, UT

10CC I would like to respond to your post or more specifically your nuke comment. What you are forgetting is something known as history. nukes were created in a controlled environment and did not proliferate to the public at large. Now guns on the other hand in American life has always been a staple since the founding of the individual colonies. A tradition that has been carried on for years. Now due to the proliferation of guns we have criminals in possession of guns. However, no proliferation in nukes has happened thus non or very have them. Do you see the difference there?

However I think that the best route is rather than ban the gun limit the magazine size. Simple and elegant people have guns with a 10-15 round clip and there you go. People can use them for defense and everyone wins.

10CC
Bountiful, UT

DN Subscriber:

How exactly would having multiple conceal carry permit holders in the audience have helped last night's tragedy? It was dark, it was full of people, the shooter had body armor, and once some CCP "white hat" started shooting to stop the original shooter, they might have provoked other white hats shooting at *them*, all with lots of people around.

There are as many guns as people in this country, so actually getting the number of guns to a safer level is not really feasible, certainly not possible with a large chunk of the population suspicious that anything the government does is a step toward tyranny.

The only realistic response may be lots and lots of military grade body armor available for the public, bullet proof helmets, etc. I'll bet there's a lot of money to be made in investing in a company that will produce more fashionable body armor. If they can make it light enough and attractive enough, what parent wouldn't want their children to have body armor they can wear to the movies, or to Lagoon, or to a college lecture?

iron&clay
RIVERTON, UT

The recent shooting of hooded gun wielding robbers at an internet cafe was stopped by a 71 year old man with a carry permit when he pulled out his weapon and shot the robber who was pointing his gun at innocent people.

Chalk one up for the people who Obama said are " clinging to their bibles and guns".

guswetrust
Cebterville, Utah

I well remember the similar Trolley Square shootings and we needed to go there afterward and I could not go in. I still felt fightened. I thinking going to the movies now will instill an uneasy feeling now for a while.

Captain Green
Heber City, UT

Another "Hollywood inspired" wacko...
If he had been killed at the site by a CCW holder in the theater, some lives likely would have been saved... And the case would be closed.
Now he will cost the taxpayers literally millions of Dollars before he is executed, even though he was caught red handed (or red "haired" in this case) and is unquestionably guilty.
That's the second tragedy.

Pendergast
SLC, UT

Until we find out why he left school, any other speculation about this tragedy and possible prevention is nuts.

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