Comments about ‘BYU football: Wisconsin State Journal reporting that BYU, Wisconsin have finalized home-and-home series’

".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's final-record."

I hate to break it to you AZUTE, but that is not a "blantant-fact"(?). That is pure conjecture on your part. The only factual part of that statement is that it was made by another Utah fan who likes to spew conjectures and try to pass them of as fact.

Here are some facts for you. Colorado got blown out by Hawaii,(yes, the same Hawaii that BYU handled easily) they got beat at home by Washington State, and the week before they played Utah they got absolutely hammered by UCLA. Face it, no matter how you want to spin it, they were a bad team.

The rest of your statement(about the East Coast voters) is conjecture as well. I doubt you know what kind of knowledge each one of them had about BYU's season.

@Uteanymous

No it's not since the criteria is different:

BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull because #6 USC was ineligible.

See the difference?

Actually, we don't take credit for pounding a top 25 team last year, even ESPN agrees:

"Message received. Since 2008, the Pac-12 is 17-31 (.354) against top-25 competition outside of the conference. Here's the team-by-team...

*Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season, so their figures aren't included."

-- By Kevin Gemmell | ESPN

Cougars1--You still haven't recovered from the yesterday, have you? It's OK, I understand.

My facts included the head-to-head result between UTAH and byu last year and the legitimacy of the final margin....It also included the fact that CU's Strength-Of-Schedule was BRUTAL, whereas byu's was WEAK, as was Hawaii's....WSU also played UO on the road more competitively than most, trailing only 15-10 at halftime while losing by just 15....Your point in mentioning them? Clearly irrelevant and not even remotely countering my post.

You can spin to your heart's delight, but you'll never, ever be able to get around the fact UTAH destroyed byu head-to-head on their homefield and you'll never, ever be able to get around the fact byu's schedule last year was blatantly-weak....And my statements regarding switching schedules and the East Coast voters were SPOT-ON.

Reality is BRUTAL for byu fans, I know.

AZUTE1

"what's never, ever acknowledged by the BYU-fanbase, was the fact CU's Strength-Of-Schedule..."

Laughing uncontrollably at your spin.

#107 Colorado's(3-10) SOS was ranked 21st.

#91 Kansas's(2-10) SOS was ranked 1st.

As you can see, SOS was a factor in Kansas (with a worse record), finishing well ahead of Colorado.

What the Utah-fanbase refuses to accept is that SOS is ALREADY calculated into the final rankings for #34 BYU(10-3) with a SOS of 90th, and #39 Utah(8-5) with a SOS of 49th.

It's laughable that Utah fans keep desperately insisting that the poll voters were soooo astute when they ranked Utah in the Top 5 in 2004 and 2008, yet sooooo clueless when then ranked BYU #1 in 1984 and #25 in 2011.

If #39 Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost at #17 Texas, at #20 TCU, and vs. #35 Tulsa - 10-3.

If #34 BYU had played Utah's schedule, the Cougars would have lost at #12 USC, to #39 Utah, at #38 California, and to Oregon (in the PAC 12 Championship game) - 10-4.

Uteology

@Uteanymous

"No it's not since the criteria is different: BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull[sic] because #6 USC was ineligible."

lol, at the absurd and inconsistent arguments Utah fans come up with.

We all know that Utah fans would still be beating their chests about winning the PAC 12 South, IF the Utes hadn't imploded against lowly Colorado, even though Utah would only have won the division because #6 USC WAS INELIGIBLE.

The reason ESPN says "Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season" is because ESPN uses the AP poll results, NOT the Coaches poll.

Teams on probation are INELIGIBLE to be included in the Coaches Poll, so BYU was indeed a Top 25 team according to the Coaches, and just barely outside the Top 25, according to the Sportswriters.

Either way you slice it, BYU finished SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Utah in both polls, which agreed that Utah wasn't good enough to be worthy of even a single vote.

"Was Utah the better of the two teams last year? Easily, I was at the game and I will give Utah full credit for an absolute butt kicking. But don't fall into the trap that so many Utah fans do and use that to come to the conclusion that BYU was just"just barely mediocre".

AZUTE,
That is in a comment posted by me yesterday at 3:16 P.M.. Clearly I have no problem with the outcome of the BYU/Utah game last year. Your two statements are still nothing more than conjecture. I posted the FACTS about Colorado's schedule so that you could see how ridiculous your statement was. In fact BYU destroyed a Hawaii team that clearly handed the Buffs a pretty lopsided loss. I am sorry, but it appears that you may be in some sort of denial yourself to be throwing out such conjectures without any facts at all. Oh, other than the fact that BYU got killed by Utah. As I stated before, I was there, Utah was the better team.

One more thing. BYU did in fact have a weak schedule last year; something they won't have to worry about in 2013, and your statements were far from SPOT ON.They were nothing more than CONJECTURE.

Cougars1

Utah was clearly the better team in September, but the Hays-led Utah team that took the field against Colorado in late November would have lost to the Riley-led BYU team that only lost at #14/#13 TCU(11-2), 38-28 in late October.

Conjecture, yes, but we see it all the time in basketball, where a team wins by 20 in the first meeting, and then loses by 20 to the same team in the rematch.

Case in point:

Nov 11, 2011 - LSU 6 at Alabama 9
Jan 9, 2012 - LSU 21 vs Alabama 0 in the NC game

Oct 15, 2001 - Colorado 41 at Texas 7
Dec 1, 2001 - Colorado 37 vs Texas 39 in the Big 12 Championship game

The only reason we don't see this as often in college football is because we seldom have rematches.

One game does not a season make, nor does a single head-to-head match prove, conclusively, which team is better.

Snack,

You seem to have missed my whole point. I am fine with conjecture; just don't use it to prove a point and call it fact. To say ".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's final-record." and then cal it a "blantant fact" is just not true. It's conjecture, and a bad one at that, especially when you consider Hawaii killed Colorado and by the time they played UCLA they didn't appear to be any better.

Your comment is spot on. Very well stated.

Phoenix who cares?
I don't care if BYU was number on then. Your mediocre rankings does not change the fact that you are winless against Florida Sate. But if that makes you feel good, go ahead and keep posting lame stats. Is that all BYU fans like yourself are proud of? Is there nothing more in cougar land to go after? What about settling for nothing less than a national title in 2012? We don't care about mid to late top 25 rankings, we want to be number one.

BTW. I can post here if I want. There are no rules that I know of that says a Seminole fan can't post here. And you are not the only cougar fan to say something. So why do cougar fans feel the need to try and run posters out of here and act like they own this place?

Go Seminoles!

Phoenix who cares?

You do!

...or you wouldn't be trying to pretend that BYU's THREE Top 15 Finishes in the last six years are "mediocre" in comparison to Florida State's ZERO Top 15 Finishes in the same time period.

You can post wherever you want to, it's a free country; that doesn't mean that it isn't lame for a Seminole fan to be hanging out on a BYU-Utah blog.

You can talk all you want to about Florida State's only goal being winning a national championship, but the truth is, you laid an egg in your final game in 2000, the only half-decent chance you've had this century.

From 1987 to 2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons.

Since then, only two.

Your glory days are fading.

BlueCoug said:

"Phoenix who cares?

.......From 1987 to 2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons.

Since then, only two.

Your glory days are fading."

LOL!
EPIC FAIL BlueCoug.
BYUs glory days faded a long time ago.

Many sports writers and analysts have picked Florida State to play for, if not win the national title this year.
You do realize that right?
LOL!

Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title.

"Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title."

Imagine that, a non-big-four team picked to play for the national title...

With the SEC always a lock to being the other conference in the "bcs" championship, the season is already over for the PAC 12/B1G; why even bother playing?

A preseason favorite to win the title....and you guys make fun of BYU fans for preseason(fill in the blank).

Actually, though I may be a die hard Cougar fan, I have always like Florida State. I hope they do win the National Title this year. Go Noles!!

Again, a BYU football article has inspired Utah fans to beat their chests and proclaim superiority. Since Utah has decided that BYU is just too tough an opponent to schedule every year and that the PAC has determined that Colorado will be their new rival, Ute fans should play "my dad can whip your dad" with the Buffs. Personally, I prefer the independent schedule with a wide variety of opponents such as Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Boise State and Utah State as well as many other nationally ranked opponents to playing Washington State, Arizona State, Oregon State, California and other mediocre PAC teams every year. The post BCS era will see SOS as being more important than conference affiliation. Congratulations to Tom Holmoe for putting together a great BYU football schedule.

TheSportsAuthority
Arlington, VA
"Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title."

Imagine that, a non-big-four team picked to play for the national title...

With the SEC always a lock to being the other conference in the "bcs" championship, the season is already over for the PAC 12/B1G; why even bother playing?

________________________

Well the ACC is still considered a power conference. Sooner or later Florida St. will join the Big 12 anyway.
Teams in the SEC still have to win in order to play for the title.

WACPaddled

"Well the ACC is still considered a power conference."

It's laughable how quickly Utah fans switch positions. When the four-team playoff was announced a couple of weeks ago, Utah fans assumed that the PAC 12, being one of the "big 4" conferences, would always be one of the conferences represented.

Now, Utah fans are acknowledging a 5th power conference, that could make the PAC 12 irrelevant in 2012, before the season even starts.

btw WACdude

Utah was owned by the WAC - 200-208-4 (49%); two championships.

BYU owned the WAC - 288-147-4 (66%); NINETEEN championships; 24-13 versus Utah.

SportsFan why are you hijacking what others are saying here?
What is there to switch positions about? Across the country the ACC is recognized as a power conference. Not just by Utah fans.

If you have not figured out by now, Florida St. is in the ACC.

And BYU is an independent.
Neither BYU or Utah is being considered as contenders for the national title this season. Florida State is.

Stop crying and move along please.

upinthenight

Yes, BYU fans have always known that the Seminoles are in the ACC, another power conference.

The only ones whining about it are the kids on the hill.

BYU fans recognized as soon as the four-team playoff was announced that the days of the PAC 12 being automatically included in any "championship series" were numbered. The ONLY ones not recognizing the existence of FIVE major conference were the kids on the hill who assumed that winning the PAC 12 championship game was an automatic ticket into the playoffs.

Reality is finally taking hold on the hill, and it's becoming apparent that the PAC 12 could be left on the outside looking in at the playoffs as often as not.

Five power conference champions, plus a possible independent and/or team from another conference (Big East, MWC, Conference USA), plus a 2nd place team from the SEC or Big 12, could easily create a log jam of too many teams, for too few spaces.

That's why Scott pushed for a plus-one or conference champions only playoff, but he was overruled by the true powers of college football, the SEC and the Big 12.

Move along please.