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  • ordinaryindividual Springville, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    That 2013 schedule is shaping up to be awesome! It will be really interesting with a new QB, too. That's why they went independent, though, for a chance to prove that they could play with the big boys. Exposure is a double-edged sword. Gotta win those games. It'll be a baptism by fire for whoever starts at QB next year. Luckily, it looks like the D will be really good, and that always helps.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:42 a.m.

    So your saying that Big 10 teams will even play BYU too, and Utah thought they had the only home and home with a big 10 team in the state.

  • Salemite Salem, Ut
    July 19, 2012 11:45 a.m.

    See you later, Utah. I'll take the Badgers over the "cowardly" Utes any time.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    Ute fan here. Credit where it's due: props to BYU on scheduling a solid opponent. Here's hoping the scheduling keeps improving, as I'm sure it will.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 19, 2012 11:58 a.m.

    I'll be really disappointed in Holmoe and BYU if we simply sit by and "wait" for Utah to determine when it is ok to continue the series. Utah doesn't want to play us - then CANCEL the series. It is clear based on how 2013 is shaping up that BYU is not afraid of playing as many quality teams as possible.

    Go away Utah.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 19, 2012 12:01 p.m.

    I remember a long time ago, Johnny Come Lately (aka Chris B), when we played Michigan. Anyone else recall that year??

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU. Tough games for sure.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    Utah cancels and runs scared so what does BYU do? They schedule Wisconsin. Huge upgrade.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Yeah, I remember that year. Wasn't Michigan unranked and hovering around .500?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Awesome schedule for year three! Great time to be a Cougar fan!! When teams like Wisconsin start scheduling us, I can see why Utah is afraid to play BYU. Utah isn't ready to hang with the big boys. They need some softies.

    Hey Tom is CA, didn't BYU beat Michigan for the National Championship? Oh, that's right they did. Hey Chris B. If you lose four games and your still inches away from the Rose Bowl...Your conference stinks!!!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    Ute trolls wake up and smell the coffee! The Deseret News has a staff member once again guilty of citing an article that only cited a nameless source.... The announcement hasn't been officially made as a visit to the uwbagers site and byucougars site will both confirm.... Until it comes from Tom it isn't official and I will bet you my entire week's salary that when it comes from him we will have both the 2013 date and the visit to Provo date within that short 30 minutes of talk.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Tom in CA
    I am pretty sure Michigan will be better than 6-6 this time around.

  • jonnyboy Orem, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Another Ute here, this is exciting news for the Y. Not only is it a top tier game, but it is a top tier game in Nov. That 2013 schedule could tops the nation in SOS. Though I wouldn't trade places with the Y for the world that schedule could be exciting if BYU can match up.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    "Disagree? Please provide evidence..."

    BYU beat Utah State and Tulsa last year who both had winning records. In 2010 BYU beat Washington and San Diego State. Not sure where you came up with 0-8. But by all means don't let facts get in the way of a good rant.

  • staypuffinpc Provo, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    Wow, I really hope the reports of our current QB situation change. Our starting QB is a senior and so is his backup. That means that whomever gets the nod as the key slinger next year is going to get pounded. I REALLY hope our O-Line is solid or we're in for a very long season. Love the idea of playing all these storied and up-and-coming opponents. I just hope we do something more to prepare for it.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 19, 2012 12:37 p.m.

    Here's to our newest, best and only rival, our friend and partner in going independent - Utah State. May we be in a position in the future to return the favors.

    As the Aggies improve their program, and Utah shows their colors, on the Cougars ever-improving schedule may there always be room for THE (other) UNIVERSITY OF UTAH - Utah State! I even like your colors.

  • OHBU Columbus, OH
    July 19, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    "We lose 4 games - are still just inches away from a BCS conference championship game with Rose Bowl on the line."

    Not only does this illustrate what a sad-sack conference the PAC was last year, it seems to imply that had you made it to the game, there would have been a chance of winning. There wouldn't have been. You would have been there only because USC was on probation, and you would have gotten destroyed, just like UCLA did. This is a terrible argument for why Utah is better. Hilarious.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Tom, I think the Michigan game was in 2008.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    @Chris B.
    "1) Your record against teams within winning records over the past 2 years: 0-8"

    That's false. They won a bowl game last year against a team over .500.

    And uh... the final Sagarin rankings last year using the rating method (the better one to use since it accounts for scoring margins as well as win/loss) had BYU 34th and Utah 39th. The year before Utah was 26th and BYU 45th. Another year prior had BYU 15th and Utah 24th. Then of course in 2008 Utah's undefeated season had them ranked 5th while BYU was ranked 32nd. In 2007 it was BYU 17th Utah 34th.

    So the 5 year average has it at Utah: 25.6 BYU: 28.6

    Two things from that: 1. Both teams are more than qualified to be among the 60 or so BCS schools. 2. It's a rather small difference and as a Ute myself it'd be silly to pretend there's any real significant gap between the two programs.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 19, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    Props to BYU for putting together a strong Indy schedule for 2013. Regardless of the significant improvements they're making, I still think it would be a lot more fun to see them in the Big12 but their commitment to BYU-TV is probably the wedge that prevents an invitation (the BIG12 would probably make concessions on the Sunday play issue).

    Wouldn't it be more fun if there was a conference championship to play for every year.... even if there were a couple of early season losses?

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:52 p.m.

    @giantfan,

    Fine. Let me rephrase.

    Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2 years, the record against those 8 teams?

    0-8.

    Not exactly a "question for perfection" by my standard

  • A1994 Centerville, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Wow. They did that without a conference?? I thought the program was dead and nobody would play BYU anymore because there was only one team in the state that was part of a major conference and that only THEY could play Big 10 (or is it 12) opponents now and blab blah blah....

  • Utes22 SPRINGVILLE, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:53 p.m.

    Very cool, sounds like it's going to be a pretty sweet schedule for BYU. Here's to hoping that the rivalry game comes back as soon as possible to make both teams schedules even better!! Good luck Cougars! Go Utes!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    @3grandslams
    "I can see why Utah is afraid to play BYU. Utah isn't ready to hang with the big boys. "

    ...you do realize Utah plays USC Oregon and Stanford in 2013 right?

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 19, 2012 1:01 p.m.

    "Wasn't Michigan unranked and hovering around .500?"

    Yes lanius - like utah last year. Unranked and hovering around .500.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    To my fellow coug fans:

    This home and home with Wisconsin was in the works before Utah decided to put the rivalry on hiatus. Vince Beigel even talked about it during his recruitment which preceded Utah putting the rivalry on hold. BYU would have still been trying to get Wisconsin scheduled even if the BYU-Utah rivalry would have continued annually.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    @All of you calling Michigan 6-6.

    Michigan was 10-2 and won the BCS Sugar Bowl last year against Virginia Tech. I think you're all a year behind the times.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:15 p.m.

    Well, it's not quite Michigan and the Big House, but it's much better than playing the WAC. That schedule in 2013 is looking solid. Of course, how will BYU fans react to a 6-6 season? BYU fans on this site have said that winning 10 games against the WAC is more impressive than winning 8 against the Pac-12. Looking at BYU's recent record against ranked teams, BCS teams and even just winning teams, they're staring 6 wins right in the face, unless some of these teams are just bad. It will be interesting to see the backtracking from Cougar fans when that day comes.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:25 p.m.

    Just sayin'....It was the Y's toughest game that year. Again, similar to the U last year.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 1:37 p.m.

    oops... I left the D out of badgers.... and I'm hoping that as little D as showed up in 1980 shows up in 2013..... Looking forward to the OFFICIAL announcement of the finalized series which will have dates and not be based on a premature tweet!

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    And for the record if we are comparing apples with apples of the two schools last season Wisconsin was better than Michigan... All be it not by much, but they were! One was 11-3 and ranked 10th and the other 11-2 and ranked 12th (AP Poll). But, of what relevance will 2011 have in 2013?????

  • factcheck Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    Hey Chris B:

    "Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2 years, the record against those 8 teams? 0-8."

    How have the Utes done against the best 8 teams they played the last 2 year? 1-7. I also think one of the 8 best teams BYU has played in the last 2 years was Tulsa, which makes them 1-7

    In 2011 Utah lost to SC (by 9), WA (by 17), ASU (by 21) and Cal (by 24). In 2010 they lost to TCU (by 40), Boise St (by 23), Notre Dame (by 25. The 4th best team they played in 2010 was either BYU, who they beat on blocked chip shot FG or an OT win v. Pitt.

    Doesn't look like the Utes do much better.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:10 p.m.

    We will beat them both times and then they won't want to play us.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    When I saw the headline I thought, Wisconsin State???? Never heard of them. Where did BYU dig up this unknown school. Then when I saw it was the Badgers, I realized my error. In truth since BYU is not part of a conference, they need to schedule the toughest schedule they can to have any recognition or purpose in college football. Much like Notre Dame does. So any Big 10 or 12 team, or any Pac 12 team. Any team from a powerful conference like the SEC is what BYU needs to look at. Hopefully they can get games like that. If not, I hear that Azuza Pacific College has a good team.....

  • CougarBlue Heber City, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    Dear Chris B. The fact that you lost 4 games and were so close to the championship games just shows you how mediocre the PAC-12 is. Yes, you ripped BYU, (which was an anomaly. look that word up)but you basically stunk up the rest of the season, and couldn't even get a win against the bottom dweller Colorado. My how you look darkly through glasses. I hope this does not show how logic is taught at Utah.

    One thing I hope you are never proud of is the hate you spew against BYU. Because if you do, I feel sorry for you.

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    The return date for Wisconsin to visit Provo is TBD becasue....
    A: BYU could finalize an invite to the Big 12
    B: Wisconsin wishes to negotiate a "neutral site" game at Soldier Feild (Chigaco), Lucas Oil Stadium (Indianapolis) or to be halfway fair, Invesco Field at Mile High (Denver)...refuses to come to Provo in the end.
    C: BYU is forced to join the "Big Least"
    D: BYU is forced to rejoin MWC
    E: BYU football just goes away (dropped) so that poor team from Cache Valley can finally rebuild it's fan base, and eliminating the TDS will only help Utah get a bigger fan base :-) LOL!
    Ute Trolls select anything from B-E and true Cougar fans select A

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:23 p.m.

    Utah schedules Michigan, a Big 10 program with a history far superior to Wisconsin's as far as Rose Bowl appearances, national championships, etc., and all BYU fans can do is try to cut down the Wolverines. Now, BYU schedules Wisconsin, a team that is considered 2nd tier in relationship to Michigan, and they're all beating their chests, boasting about what an important, impressive Big 10 opponent they have scheduled.

    Such is life for a fan living in Utah.

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    July 19, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    BYU will have their work cut out for them next year. I will be impressed if they come away with 5 losses or less. Very tough opponents. Any zoobs want to make a firm prediction of how you might fair?

  • JpnUT Draper, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:30 p.m.

    What a great time for college football in UT! I am impressed with the upcoming schedule for the Cougars. It's going to be exciting to watch both the UTES and the Cougs. I do wish that the rivalry would continue, but what is done is done. It will be exciting to watch the rivalry game this year and I can't wait for September 15. I hope the Cougars the best, and that they can live up to the hype of this schedule. Just like the UTES experienced last year, it's tough to play high caliber teams week in and out. Good Luck, and GO UTES!

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:31 p.m.

    @ m.g. scott

    sorry but the Azuza Pacific College schedule is full they are playing the utes

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Guess we should cancel the Utah game for two years to accommodate Wisconsin... whoops, wrong AD doing the scheduling.

  • Go Utes! Springville, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:34 p.m.

    Great game for the cougs. One I will look forward to watching that one.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    And thus we see that Ute fans bang on the Cougs for scheduling easy opponents, then Utah can't fit BYU into the schedule because of a Big 10/Pac 12 alliance (which has fallen apart), and now BYU has strengthened their schedule Ute partisans are predicting gloom-and-doom. One thing is for sure: Utes and their thought process will NEVER change, regardless of the circumstance. The BCS could be virtually eliminated in deciding a national champion and the Utes would still crow about being in a BCS conference. (Wait, that's just happened.) I wish the Utes well in their Colorado home-and-home games. I wonder if they'll manage to reach .500 in that series this year or if they'll lay another fat goose egg again (costing them the perverbial Chris B. PAC 12 Championship). What a weak-sister conference is the PAC 12 at present. LOL!!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 19, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    3grandslams

    " didn't BYU beat Michigan for the National Championship? Oh, that's right they did. Hey Chris B. If you lose four games and your still inches away from the Rose Bowl...Your conference stinks!!!"

    I'm pretty sure byU did not play Michigan for the NC. They were voted NC a month after the game in which they played a UofM team that was "hovering" around .500. lol

    If you call a game away from playing Oregon in the Pac 12 Champ game "inches away from the Rose Bowl", you really are in the clouds. I just love it when byU fans say that the Pac 12 is a weak conference. Always get a good laugh.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    July 19, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Who knows how well the Cougars will do with that schedule. I doubt anyone will predict an undefeated season, but I would rather see them go 6-6 with that schedule than 10-2 with last year's lineup. If they continue to schedule that way they will grow to the level of competition and truly become a football power.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 19, 2012 3:00 p.m.

    Hmmmm......wonder who posted that this was immenent earlier this week......

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 3:02 p.m.

    Oh brother people... WAKE UP! The finalized agreement has NOT I repeat N O T been officially announced yet.... That is the only reason why the return date has yet to be determined.... Also why even though we 'know' a game will be in Madison next year but not it's date. Come on people LISTEN to reason!

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 19, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    Two reactions: First - I congratulate the Y on a very good schedule in 2013. Secondly, it was interesting to read such comments from Holme "I've got to be careful as we look at (future schedules) that we don't overdo it." And coach Bronco, "What, am I crazy!" Yet when Utah did not schedule the Y in 2014 and 2015 because of the difficult schedule, Y fans, in general, cried in unison, "The U is afraid to play us!" See any irony?

  • JustTheTruthMan bountiful, ut
    July 19, 2012 3:06 p.m.

    Well yes..... One team playing the Blue n White won their division in 2011.... The team playing the Red n white didn't... Facts are just that simple... And.... Stop talking history of the big 10 and the patsy-12 when you also ignore that of BYU for in the end no history is as relevant as any other... So, either make it all of same relevance or make it all of no relevance... Plain and simple.

  • giantfan Farmington, UT
    July 19, 2012 3:15 p.m.

    "Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2 years"

    Thanks for adding that qualifier in there. Let us know when you learn the difference between a fact and an opinion.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 19, 2012 3:48 p.m.

    Time for Utah to get BYU to agree to those 2 for 1 deals (two games in SLC to 1 game in Provo) before BYU fills out its schedule. BYU better hurry and get Penn State on the schedule before they drop football.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 19, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Gotta give credit where credit is do! Good job Cougs on signing a home and home series with Wisconsin. Two very good Big Ten teams for Utah and BYU to play home and home in a couple years. Football in the state of Utah is going to be very exciting in the coming years!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 19, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Great pickup.

    2013:

    4 BCS teams @LES: Utah, Texas, GTech, Boise
    3 BCS teams on the road: @ND, @Wisconsin, @Wazzu

    With the current talent, last 2 seasons, BYU is 4-8 vs teams with winning records.
    Bronco's teams are 10-11 vs BCS teams.

    Unless BYU dominates this year and goes into next season on a roll, I see a real tough 2013 season (7-5 most likely).

  • DontMUSSwUtah SOUTH JORDAN, UT
    July 19, 2012 4:17 p.m.

    Congrats to BYU for landing this deal. Can we all agree that Utah is starting to become one of the most prominent states for football in the nation?

  • bballjunkie Pleasant Grove, UT
    July 19, 2012 4:22 p.m.

    @ChrisB
    "I love the BCS, my BCS membership, BCS bowl games, BCS bowl wins, and all things BCS!

    You can love it all you want.. you or your utes will see it unless you pay to go watch. lol, chris just go, your utes are scared to play the Y and the want to leave follow their example and do the same, leave.

  • Tennisguy West Bountiful, 00
    July 19, 2012 4:35 p.m.

    Utah fan here. Kudos to BYU for putting together a strong 2013 football schedule. I didn't think they were going to be able to pull off that kind of a schedule. I still prefer cheering on my team in a conference, but good for them they are obviously doing fine with their independence deal.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    July 19, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    christy b

    "...last year in a very medicore season with a 3rd string QB we were one fieldgoal away from a BCS conference championship"

    LOL

    at how delusional Utah fans have become

    You were one missed FG (against WSU) away from finishing 3-6 in the conference and another missed FG (against Ga Tech) from finishing 6-7 with a losing record overall.

    The Utes were never even close to winning the conference championship. Even if you'd gotten past Colorado to win the gift-wrapped south, you would have been destroyed by Oregon in the conference championship game.

    btw,

    if Whitless hadn't converted all his QB recruits to other positions, the Utes wouldn't have had to replace injure-prone Wynn with a D-II player.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 19, 2012 4:55 p.m.

    I applaud BYU for their 2013 schedule. What an opportunity to go out and earn respect. It looks like 4-6 very solid teams are on the schedule. It reminds me of how Notre Dame used to schedule.

    Side Note: what does this have to do with Utah? They still play each other in 2013 & 2016. Utah has a tough schedule in it's own right. I don't understand why certain individuals use any BYU/Utah artice to blast Utah? Pretty pathetic. Stay on topic folks! Nice schedule BYU!

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    July 19, 2012 4:56 p.m.

    Once again more useless drivel from the trolls. I do applaud the Utah fans on here who even though they don't like B.Y.U. they show their maturity by Congratulating B.Y.U. on scheduling a quality opponent. Go Cougs!!

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 19, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Wisconsin! That's big. Bigger than Texas and way bigger than Notre Dame. With USU and Hawaii in 2013, the Cougs still need to fill one more BCS team & one cupcake for a BCS SOS.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 19, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    Chris B - "Let me rephrase. Against the best 8 teams byu has played the past 2 years, the record against those 8 teams? 0-8."

    What's your point? Utah's record the past 2 years, against the best teams U have played is also 0-8. Assuming Colorado is counted as one of the best teams you've played. Lol.

    Where are all the Ute trolls now who have mocked the WAC schedule the past two years? BYU's strength of schedule will easily eclipse the Utes in 2013.

    BYU's bowl alignment will also improve significantly in 2013. I can't wait for that announcement. I'm betting it will be the Holiday Bowl with the BIG12 losing their spot with only 10 teams and a new connection to the Champions Bowl.

    Many posters are concerned about a new QB in 2013, I have to admit, I'm very concerned about the defense in 2013. There's a chance we could lose the entire front 7 to either graduation or the NFL.

    It's a great time to be a Coug!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 19, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    Until the official announcement comes... mum is the word.

    Until then I'm not going to be 'uteish' and thump my chest and dance in the street, etc. over a rumor like they did over their Big 10 'done' deal. That had to bruise some 'big boy' conference egos.

    It would be great... if it happens.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 19, 2012 5:25 p.m.

    Teams scheduled to play in the state of utah in the coming years: Michigan, USC, Cal, Boise St (3), Texas, Georgia Tech and Wisconsin. Pretty Cool. I think Oregon, Stanford and Notre Dame aren't too far behind either. Ten years ago, this would have been a pipe dream. It just goes to show that Utah, BYU and hopefully Utah State are moving up the ladder in college football. The Utah St.-Auburn game was awesome last year.........oh so close!

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 19, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    Interesting time for my fellow BYU fans. It's fun to have a glossy 10-2 record, but it is boring beating up on Idaho, Wyoming, Oregon St. etc. Now that we have an amazing slate in 2013, we'll see how fair weather BYU fans are because we aren't going 10-2 in 2013. A 7-5 record may happen although perhaps 8-3. For me, I'd rather go 7-5 against a bunch of good teams. Recruits will look to see an impressive line up that will all be on national TV. If we can keep the 2013 pattern going, independence will vault BYU recruiting past anything they would have with the pathetic TV schedule the Utes are having in an okay conference. Here's hoping we can be respectable against every team and win more than 50%.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 19, 2012 6:58 p.m.

    Reminds me of the the advertising campaign for BYU Football of about ten years "Might As Well Schedule the Forty-Niners."

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2012 7:08 p.m.

    BYU's schedule will have a HIGHER SOS than Utah in 2013. After all the talk about schedule the WEAK PAC12 doesn't give the Ute's a HIGHER SOS. BYU has ND, Gtech, BSU, Texas, UWis, and Houston already and six opens dates still to fill.

  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    July 19, 2012 7:42 p.m.

    Amazing how many Utes comment on BYU articles...

    But as long as you are here, Hill may actually be right about easing up on the rivalry game. The Utes have their hands full and the Cougs will too. It is a very mean world out there and wasting our energy on each other is really pathetic. Sure we'll get together once in a while... but let's face it, the college football world is not friendly to rivals in our situation.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 19, 2012 8:11 p.m.

    That sounds like a good schedule. The problem is that BYu is in rebuilding mode next year........they could lose every one of those games. BYu's latest classes of recruits are not very impressive. Get ready for no bowl game next season Y fans.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    "the Cougs still need to fill one more BCS team & one cupcake for a BCS SOS"

    lol

    Even without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin rankings from 2011)

    Overall Average Ranking/Record
    BYU #43 9-5 (FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two opponents with losing records)
    Utah #57 7-6 (three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100; SIX opponents with losing records)

    BYU 2013
    #8 Wisconsin 11-3
    #9 Boise State 12-1
    #15 Houston 13-1
    #17 Texas 8-5
    #26 Notre Dame 8-5
    #39 Utah 8-5
    #56 Georgia Tech 8-5
    #80 Utah State 7-6
    #83 Washington State 4-8
    #97 Hawaii 6-7

    ---------
    Utah 2013
    #5 Oregon 12-2
    #7 Stanford 11-2
    #12 USC 10-2
    #34 Brigham Young 10-3
    #41 Arizona State 6-7
    #44 Washington 7-6
    #64 Arizona 4-8
    #66 UCLA 6-8
    #80 Utah State 7-6
    #87 Oregon State 3-9
    #107 Colorado 3-10
    #136 Weber State 5-6

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    Chris

    "You lose one game and your season is over."

    Unless you beat USC, highly unlikely, so is yours.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    GoRed:

    It is truly a sad thing if there are BYU fans that are trying to downplay the UM tradition. Although I must admit I haven't seen it. I do find it interesting that you bring up Wisconsin in the context of having a second tier relationship to UM.

    Wisconsin has won the conference or a share of it the last two years. The last time UM did it was '03. Almost 10 years ago.

    So you are basing your comments about the strength and tradition Michigan has had in the past (winningest football program, myriad of national awards and conference championships). If I were a Ute fan I'd be exited as can be that the Wolverines are coming to RES.

    But I thought Ute fans didn't like it when BYU fans brought up the past- yet here you are proclaiming Michigan is superior to Wisconsin due to past achievements and not recent ones.

    Are you different from other Ute fans, or just not get cc'd on the memo?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 19, 2012 8:52 p.m.

    Cowboy Dude said:

    "Wisconsin! That's big. Bigger than Texas and way bigger than Notre Dame."

    Based upon what?

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:53 p.m.

    Bluecoug

    Using 2011 stats to determine the outcome of SOS in 2013? WOW! I really needed a good laugh, thank you very much. One thing you left out of your post was talk of a National Championship. That was too funny...keep up the good work! Also, what are "the final two or three pieces of the puzzle"?

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 19, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    CougFaninTX said:

    "Where are all the Ute trolls now who have mocked the WAC schedule the past two years? BYU's strength of schedule will easily eclipse the Utes in 2013.

    BYU's bowl alignment will also improve significantly in 2013. I can't wait for that announcement. I'm betting it will be the Holiday Bowl with the BIG12 losing their spot with only 10 teams and a new connection to the Champions Bowl.

    It's a great time to be a Coug!"

    Double yawn.
    Your strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win games.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:05 p.m.

    "Your strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win games."

    As Utah so aptly demonstrated last year.......wait, their SOS sucked last year...

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    Hmm Utah doesn't want to play us for at least two years, well thats fine no problem BYU has the likes of Boise State, Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Georgia Tech, Nebraska, and West Virginia on their schedule all within the next 5 years. So much for not being able to schedule anyone, major props to Tom Holmoe and BYU for making it happen!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 19, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    gored

    "Utah schedules Michigan, a Big 10 program with... yada yada yada..."

    and

    BYU schedules Wisconsin, a B1G program that has DOMINATED Michigans during the Bronco/Kyle era:

    2005-2011
    head-to-head
    Wisconsin 4
    Michigan 2

    Wisconsin - TWO B1G Championships, SIX Top 25 Finishes, FIVE 10+ win seasons
    2005 10-3 #15/#15
    2006 12-1 #7/#5
    2007 9-4 #24/#21
    2008 7-6 unranked
    2009 10-3 #16/#16
    2010 11-2 #7/#8 Big Ten Co-Champions
    2011 11-3 #10/#11 Big Ten Champions

    Michigan - ZERO B1G Championships (last in 2004), three Top 25 Finishes, TWO losing seasons
    2005 7-5 unranked
    2006 11-2 #8/#9
    2007 9-4 #18/#19
    2008 3-9 unranked
    2009 5-7 unranked
    2010 7-6 unranked
    2011 11-2 #12/#9

    btw, that 2008 Michigan team that Utah barely beat by 2 points in the Big House, was THE WORST Michigan team since 1963, when the Wolverines finished 3-4-2, the last Michigan team to only win 3 games.

    Wisconsin > Michigan since 2005

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 19, 2012 9:16 p.m.

    Black Shirts said:

    "BYU's schedule will have a HIGHER SOS than Utah in 2013. After all the talk about schedule the WEAK PAC12 doesn't give the Ute's a HIGHER SOS. BYU has ND, Gtech, BSU, Texas, UWis, and Houston already and six opens dates still to fill."

    WEAK = failing to recognize you have not even played the 2013 schedule yet.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    July 19, 2012 9:26 p.m.

    Wallbanger said:

    "Bluecoug, Using 2011 stats to determine the outcome of SOS in 2013? WOW!"

    If you have some more recent stats, bring 'em on, otherwise quit whining.

    Bottom line, despite the constant stream of hyperbole from the hill, there's absolutely no way for jealous Utah fans to prove that BYU's 2013 schedule won't be stronger than Utah's.

    However, as far as ELITE opponents (and there are only about a dozen teams that fit that label),

    Texas and Notre Dame trump USC

    -----------

    upinthenight

    "Your strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win games."

    Neither does yours!

    Especially when you can't even beat the worst team on your schedule.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:29 p.m.

    Mussing Around:

    It will be interesting to see how gored responds to your post, after all it's his fan base that has proclaimed the cutoff for recent and ancient history to be 2004.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 19, 2012 9:47 p.m.

    Congratulations to Tom Holmoe on another scheduling gem.

    When the only nit our friends up north can find to pick is which B1G team is better, you know that the kids on the hill are grasping at straws!

    WEAK = failing to recognize that conference affiliation has absolutely NOTHING to do with how good (or bad) an individual team is. The PAC 12 South was THE WEAKEST division of any major football conference, especially when you consider that the only really good team in the division was ineligible to win the division.

    Utah fans need to get over their double-standard of constantly making predictions of their own, but then whining every time a BYU fan makes a prediction.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 19, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    BlueCoug "BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013"

    I didn't bring up Utah's SOS 2013. I said BYU only needs one more BCS team to have a BCS SOS based on week over week competition. Hopefully, we will get another team. Based on your analysis though, it looks like we still need two more BCS teams to be a BCS schedule.

    You can't compare Utah's 12 game schedule to BYU's 10 game schedule and say Utah has some losing teams. We don't know BYU's full schedule yet. As I said, when BYU gets one or two more BCS teams it will have an SOS to rival any other BCS schedule.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Another great team added to BYU's schedule - Tom Holmoe is delivering on his promise to schedule big name opponents from throughout the country. 2013 is just the beginning of the exciting future that lies ahead for BYU football.

    ----------

    NightOwl

    "Your strength of schedule means nothing if you don't win games."

    "WEAK = failing to recognize you have not even played the 2013 schedule yet."

    Brilliant observations; how long did it take you to think up those valueable nuggets of wisdom?

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:00 p.m.

    Home and Home?

    Maybe... we'll see...

    As with many of BYU's opponents, Wisconsin will decide if its a home/home or not.

    After BYU travels in 2013, Wisconsin will decide when and/or if they want to return the game.

    If they choose not to return the game, they pay the buyout and they've created a one and done.

    As is the case with many of BYU's opponents Wisconsin will decide the scheduling terms and BYU will helplessly take whatever they can get.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 19, 2012 10:06 p.m.

    This is the confirmation I needed to know that BYU is going to be able to make scheduing work as an Indy. This puts our schedule on par with most schools in the Big10, Big12, and ACC and ahead of the Big East and PAC12. SEC is still way ahead of everyone else.

    I didn't realize until today that the PAC10 / 12 is the only AQ conference not to win a NC in the BCS era. Interesting that they still use the moniker "conference of champions."

  • monkeyzoo Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    No return date!! Curious? Sounds more like a One and Done, to me.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2012 10:12 p.m.

    Canyontreker

    You and all of the other "bcs" apologists need to get over you clueles bcs biases.

    In most years, adding Air Force to BYU's schedule would improve the schedule significantly more than adding Duke or Indiana or any other "bcs" conference bottom dweller.

  • monkeyzoo Lehi, UT
    July 19, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    Byu just became the Idaho state of their own schedule.
    I bet Utah will hang more points on byu then Wisconsin will.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 19, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    They(Byu homers) leaked the Wisconsin game as a "home and home" to save face...............It smells like a one and done to me.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    July 19, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    Howard S.

    Are you so insanely jealous of the obvious success that BYU is having scheduling big name opponents, that you have to make stuff up just to help you sleep at night?

    Relax, take deep breath, exhale slowly, and then just accept reality.

    Texas, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame are only the next in a long line of great programs that have scheduled and will continue to schedule visits to LES.

    I know, it takes a little shine off of the first big program ever to independently schedule a visit to RES, but you'll survive.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 19, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    monkey

    BYU is 1-0 versus Wisconsin; 1-0 versus Michigan.

    Utah is 1-2 versus Wisconsin and 1-1 versus Michigan.

    You should worry a little more about how well the kids on the hill are going to match up against the B1G, and a little less about how the Cougars are going to match up.

    Utah didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record in 2011.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 19, 2012 10:47 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    This is the confirmation I needed to know that BYU is going to be able to make scheduing work as an Indy. This puts our schedule on par with most schools in the Big10, Big12, and ACC and ahead of the Big East and PAC12. SEC is still way ahead of everyone else.

    I didn't realize until today that the PAC10 / 12 is the only AQ conference not to win a NC in the BCS era. Interesting that they still use the moniker "conference of champions."

    -----

    Get over it fellow BYU fan. How many BCS era titles have we won?
    Its a fact the PAC 12 has won more NCAA titles in all sports than any other conference. The most recent was Arizona winning the college world series.
    They are the Conference of Champions.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 19, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    I'm happy for the kitties down south. I'm also glad that Chris Hill told Holmoe where the door is. Utah has the ball rolling nicely and that is what is important.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 19, 2012 10:58 p.m.

    btw, monkey,

    The last time BYU visited Camp Randall Stadium, the final was

    BYU 28, Wisconsin 3

    Been there, done that.

    Interestingly, Utah doubled the number of points Wisconsin scored against BYU
    Unfortunately for U, BYU also doubled the number of points BYU scored against Wisconsin

    BYU 56, Utah 6

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 19, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    deductive reasoning
    Arlington, VA
    monkey

    BYU is 1-0 versus Wisconsin; 1-0 versus Michigan.

    Utah is 1-2 versus Wisconsin and 1-1 versus Michigan.

    You should worry a little more about how well the kids on the hill are going to match up against the B1G, and a little less about how the Cougars are going to match up.

    Utah didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record in 2011.

    _____________________

    BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St.

    You should worry a little more about how well the kids in Provo are going to match up against them.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 19, 2012 11:05 p.m.

    Here is a different look. If BYU had gone to the Pac - where would Utah be right now? Anyone, Anyone. Exactl. Still in the Mountain West.

    I am willing to give them tremendous credit for being in the Pac - a feat BYU could not accomplish. Not because they lack the athletic skills but for other reasons. I remain as always impressed that Utah is there.

    What is tough is that many Utes seem to be intellectually dishonest in recognizing the following:

    A. BYU really is managing to put together a very impressive Indy schedule and making it work.
    B. Both programs really are very close in football success over the last twenty years.
    C. As we no longer are your rivals - why then do you spend so much time bad mouthing the Cougars - get on over to the Colorado Chat boards and enjoy the witty banter they offer up.

    Sadly you can't because you can't let go of BYU.

    I can - So good luck in your adventures. Now scurry off to the Golden Buff chat-room and give them a dose of Good Old Fashioned Ute wit. Let me know how that turns out for you.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2012 11:14 p.m.

    No Conference Championships for U

    "the PAC 12 has won more NCAA titles in all sports than any other conference"

    Poor jealous Utah fan; you don't even know which school you represent.

    Unfortunately for U, the closest you'll ever get to a PAC 12 championship, let alone, a national championship, is when you visit USC's sports hall of fame every couple of years.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 19, 2012 11:27 p.m.

    WACPaddled

    "BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St."

    As BYU Joe said, "many Utes seem to be intellectually dishonest in..." their spin:

    BYU and Utah are both 6-1 versus the Spartans since the WAC was created in 1962.

    BYU's last loss was 21-25 in 1968, the year after BYU destroyed San Jose State 67-8.

    Utah's last loss was a blowout at home, 6-24 in 1974, the year after Utah had barely beaten the Spartans. 28-21 in San Jose.

    btw, BYU is UNDEFEATED against the SLC YMCA; Utah is only 1-6 versus the Village People.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    @DeepBlue

    BYU has one return game promised from Wisconsin and 2 return games promised from ND.

    None of the return games are scheduled.

    BYU travels to Wisconsin and to ND twice before any return game.

    If either Wisconsin or ND decide not to travel to Provo for the return games BYU can do nothing about it except collect the buyout money.

    Bottom line is that Wisconsin and ND will dictate the terms of the return games and BYU will helplessly and gratefully accept what they decide.

    Such is the power of BYU's independence.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    On Thursday, the Wisconsin State Journal reported that the Cougars and Badgers have finalized a home-and-home agreement, with BYU visiting Camp Randall Stadium in Madison, Wis., in 2013.

    Tom Mulhern, who covers Wisconsin football for the WSJ, tweeted the news via his Twitter account. Later, Mulhern reported, "Based on open dates in the two schedules, the BYU game would likely be on Sept. 14."

    ---------

    Howard S.: "Home and Home? Maybe... we'll see..."

    Utah-Hawaii Alum: "They(BYU homers) leaked the Wisconsin game as a "home and home" to save face"

    It's sad how often the BYU haters have to resort to distorting the truth in order to help themselves sleep at night.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2012 12:22 a.m.

    CougFaninTX

    "BYU's strength of schedule will easily eclipse the Utes in 2013"

    I'm proud of BYU for putting together a nice looking schedule for 2013 and can't wait to see what the results will be. I have a feeling some coug fans will be humbled by what playing a real schedule actually means in the end. Just wait til they end up 7-5 at best and out of the polls while some WAC team slips in at #25 having played no one.

    Don't get ahead of yourself on the SOS thing ... with how Oregon, Stanford and USC have been playing in recent years, those could all be top 10 teams Utah will play next season. You also need to take into account the games BYU has yet to schedule, I'm pretty sure they'll be patsies which will pull down their SOS. Utah will have one team on the schedule worse than BYU (Weber State) with the rest arguably on par with BYU or better.

    Cougs have a great schedule shaping up, it should be fun to watch ... but slow down a little big guy.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2012 1:16 a.m.

    @BlueCoug

    You took Utah and BYU opponents in 2013 and averaged their final SOS rankings in 2011 giving utah's opponents an average SOS of 57 and BYU's opponents an average of 43.

    SOS for 2013 is a silly game to play but I'll play along.

    Let's assume BYU will complete their 2013 schedule with two patsies (guaranteed they will). New Mexico State and Idaho State were at 133 and 205 last year but let's give BYU the benefit of the doubt and take the identical SOS rankings that you have for Utah's lowest ranked opponents - Weber State and Colorado at 136 and 107. Guess what we come up with? An identical opponents average SOS as Utah's ... 57

    Now consider the Pac 12 came off a down year, meaning the SOS will likely be higher for Utah's 2013 opponents. Conversely BSU without Moore will most assuredly take a step or two backward while Houston will probably bounce back to mediocre at best.

    Bottom line, I'd confidently wager that Utah will have a stronger SOS than BYU in 2013 - BYU's greatest ever schedule. Now take a peak at Utah's 2014 schedule!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 6:17 a.m.

    As byu enhances their SOS [Note to Deseret News moderators, please note that "SOS" is an acronym for "Strength-Of-Scheule"], expect their number of wins to drop precipitously, not just slightly....Only chance going against a team like Wisconsin for a team like byu, which naturally prefers and is accustomed to playing a patsy-schedule in accumulating wins and then claiming in unwarranted-fashion their "superiority", in not getting absolutely crushed, but rather losing by a modestly more respectable-margin, is to catch Wisconsin earlier in the season when they've had a tendency in years past to play down to their competition.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 6:23 a.m.

    Howard S., great point....I was going to say the same....I honestly doubt this fact has occurred to any byu fan, however.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 20, 2012 6:54 a.m.

    Howard S.

    Despite your desperate attempt to paint BYU's scheduling success in a negative light, BYU has a CONTRACT with Notre Dame and Wisconsin, which by definition is a MUTUAL AGREEMENT - neither side is dictating anything. Unlike Utah, neither Wisconsin nor Notre Dame is scared to play BYU, so neither will be running away from their agreement to come to Provo.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 20, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    WACPaddingOurSchedule wrote: "BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St."

    This is about the 10th time you've posted this stat. Can you at least post stats that happened in my the last 50 years? We are talking about BYU not Brigham Young Academy. Get real.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 20, 2012 8:17 a.m.

    motorbike

    "Let's assume BYU will complete their 2013 schedule with two patsies (guaranteed they will)."

    Based on what, your own desperate attempt to try to minimize what is turning out to be a top flight schedule for BYU?

    Nice try, but BYU has no need to complete their 2013 schedule with a couple of patsies. Unlike Utah, BYU isn't afraid to play a full schedule of good teams AND instate rivals. The remaining teams will probably be teams like Houston and Hawaii, not big name teams, but solid teams.

    --------------

    AZUTE1

    "...expect their number of wins to drop precipitously, not just slightly....Only chance going against a team like Wisconsin for a team like BYU, which naturally prefers and is accustomed to playing a patsy-schedule in accumulating wins"

    Spoken like a true BYU hater.

    The last time BYU visited Camp Randall Stadium, in 1980, the Cougars came away with a solid 28-3 win. Unlike Utah, BYU is accustomed to playing the big boys, and WINNING. The Cougars have been doing that for decades. See Texas 1987/1988; Miami 1990; Penn St 1992; Notre Dame 1994/2004; and Oklahoma 2009.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 20, 2012 8:51 a.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX
    WACPaddingOurSchedule wrote: "BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St."

    This is about the 10th time you've posted this stat. Can you at least post stats that happened in my the last 50 years? We are talking about BYU not Brigham Young Academy. Get real.

    __________________

    Please explain how this is any different than outrageous propaganda posted by BYU fans.

    I must have been mistaken. Thought it was Brigham Young Academy that lost on national TV last season 54-10 at home.

    The fact still remains that San Jose St. owns you!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 20, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    motorbike

    "I'd confidently wager that Utah will have a stronger SOS than BYU in 2013 - BYU's greatest ever schedule. Now take a peak at Utah's 2014 schedule!"

    I "peaked" at BYU's 2013 and Utah's 2014 "greatest ever" schedules and immediately noticed one glaring difference.

    Unlike the Utes in 2014, BYU wasn't afraid to play their rival in 2013 because their schedule was too scary.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 8:55 a.m.

    PAC man said, "The last time BYU visited Camp Randall Stadium, in 1980, the Cougars came away with a solid 28-3 win. Unlike Utah, BYU is accustomed to playing the big boys, and WINNING. The Cougars have been doing that for decades. See Texas 1987/1988; Miami 1990; Penn St 1992; Notre Dame 1994/2004; and Oklahoma 2009."

    Do you not realize any UTE could've scripted your response, beforehand, word-for-word? byu has never, ever played a week-in, week-out type of schedule, ever....And you must go back, literally, decades to find any "huge" win....And please, it doesn't lend to being credible as a fan-base when one attempts to point to junk ND teams and an OU team which hovered at around .500 all season long and finished the year unranked....Almost comparable to PITT '84, which finished the year 3-7-1 while still barely losing to byu, and when byu, literally, finished the year w/an SOS ranking of #96 out of 98 total teams ranked.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 20, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    WACPaddled

    The fact still remains that the Village People own U:
    The Utes 1
    SLC YMCA 6

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 20, 2012 9:04 a.m.

    We have not even played the 2012 schedule and are all exited about losing at Wisconsin already? There is no way we are going to waltz in there and win. That is a very tough play to play now.

    I think we should focus on teams we are playing this season first.
    Move along fellow BYU fans.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 9:09 a.m.

    BTW, Wisconsin was brutally-horrendous back then.

    WISC '80 finished 4-7
    Texas '87 7-5, '88 4-7
    Miami '90 10-2
    PSU '92 7-5
    ND '94 6-5-1, '04 6-6

    And we all s/h a good enough memory to recall OU's pathetic performance in '09, when they took 'til the end of the year to show-up....Only the Miami game is one to hang your collective-hat on, and that is just one, single game played 22 years ago which has zero-bearing on what's taking place nowadays.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    AZUTE,

    You live by a double standard. You can't discount BYU wins over teams from BCS conferences with WINNING records and claim Utah plays tough teams week in and week out when Utah didn't even beat a PAC team with a winning record last year. In fact, they lost to the PAC bottom feeder and nearly lost(Wazzu) to one of the others.

    BYU just did what Utah fans have been spouting they couldn't do.....put together a schedule as an Independent that rivals any BCS team schedule with the exception of an SEC team. For crying out loud, WACpaddled is going to have to change his name on these boards now because it is no longer accurate. Talk about obsessed with a team that Utah fans claim is a mid-major, independent team that is beneath them.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 9:30 a.m.

    @Cougars1....Nice try....I live by no double-standard as I nowhere above touted UTAH's big wins over the years....If you're bothered so much, take it up w/your fellow byu fans....And while you're at it, please feel free to also respond directly to the facts I stated.

    Your mis-judgement of UTAH's schedule/results last year is rooted in two things....First of all, they destroyed byu, head-to-head, 54-10 on byu's homefield....Secondly, PAC-12 teams, fom top-to-bottom, play a significantly tougher SOS than byu did last year and any other year in their entire existence, for that matter....Heck, byu's SOS last year was, literally, more than twice UTAH's....I just got finished providing you people w/a perfect illustration of how light-weight byu's schedule has always been over the years by clearly pointing-out that their '84 team played, literally, the third easiest SOS, nationally.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 20, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    It does not matter what teams BYU schedules. If we don't win it means nothing good. We will end up looking like a WAC team ourselves. Wait.........

    Just don't understand some of my fellow BYU fans. More excited to play schools than actually consider winning the games.

  • Snark Provo, UT
    July 20, 2012 9:43 a.m.

    It appears that the best thing that has happened to both BYU and Utah is the announcement of the discontinued rivalry. Now their energy and focus can get back to football and the rich traditions that both schools enjoy, without the senseless diatribe associated with a beleaguered and tiresome tradition. Lets post the rivalry to our collective memory and wistfully dream of renewing it in a "one game, for all the marbles, on a neutral field" matchup in ... say ... 30 years. By then I will be old enough to know that something exciting is taking place, but I will not remember the score or the unabashed post-game buffoonery much past bedtime (which, by the way, will be at 7:30pm in 2042, just after my sponge bath).

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    Stronger SOS in 2013?

    BYU 2013:
    HOME: Boise, Utah, Texas, GTech, TBD, TBD, TBD
    ROAD: Wisconsin, Notre Dame, Houston, Utah State, Hawaii

    Utah 2013:
    HOME: USU, Weber, ASU, Colorado, OSU, UCLA, Washington
    ROAD: USC, Oregon, Stanford, BYU, Arizona

    @PAC man: "Unlike Utah, BYU is accustomed to playing the big boys, and WINNING."

    Edwards YES, everyone after him NO.

    Since 1996 BYU has beat only 2 final ranked teams (#21 TCU and #18 Utah). Not a single win over a BCS final ranked team. Bronco is 10-11 vs BCS teams (Kyle 17-10).

  • Dnquixote Las Vegas, NV
    July 20, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    The bottom line here is that BYU will get crushed next season and that is that. But would you rather play awesome teams and get crushed or play terrible teams to keep your precious 10 win season streak? BYU has said all along they planned on playing a tough schedule, and honestly I doubted it until now. Just can't wait to hear how Stanford, Oregon, and USC are terrible teams when BYU drops to 7-6.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 10:30 a.m.

    @Pac

    Except for #3 10-2 Miami BYU beat great traditions NOT great teams.

    For comparison, in 2008 Utah beat #6 Bama 12-2 and #7 TCU 11-2.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 20, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    I'm a Ute fan, but I think this is pretty cool. We'll be having both Michigan and Wisconsin coming to the State, maybe even the same year. Add in Notre Dame, USC, and others coming on a regular basis and you've got to love it.

    Next trick is to win those games!

  • NORCALUTE MoTown, CA
    July 20, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    Good for the cougs for now, their last hurrah...I still stick with the sports-world prediction..that the coug football progam will be gone by 2018 and the Utes will represent Utah, etc...it's inevitable folks...read the writing on the wall.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 20, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    Snack PAC

    Give it a rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    NIce work Tom Holmoe. BYU plays a major university rather than East High on the Hill.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    ".Heck, byu's SOS last year was, literally, more than twice UTAH's....I just got finished providing you people w/a perfect illustration of how light-weight byu's schedule has always been over the years by clearly pointing-out that their '84 team played, literally, the third easiest SOS, nationally."

    "And we all s/h a good enough memory to recall OU's pathetic performance in '09, when they took 'til the end of the year to show-up....Only the Miami game is one to hang your collective-hat on, and that is just one, single game played 22 years ago which has zero-bearing on what's taking place nowadays."

    AZUTE,
    In those two statements you discounted big wins over BCS teams by BYU and pumped up your PAC schedule. Thanks for making my point. You also brought up the Utah win over BYU which I never even alluded to. End of year Sagarin ratings which take into account the strength of teams played as well as win/loss margins ranks BYU higher than Utah, despite the Utah win over BYU which turned out to be their biggest win of the year.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2012 12:12 p.m.

    NORCALUTE,
    Give it a rest. That is nothing more than a pipe dream for the haters with no factual basis whatsoever.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 20, 2012 12:35 p.m.

    MLH
    SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    Snack PAC

    Give it a rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores.

    ------

    Fellow BYU fans.

  • BYU Joe MISSION VIEJO, CA
    July 20, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    You are all lame as you bash each other. Utah does indeed have a very good program. I admit it why can't the rest of my fellow Cougars. If they didn't they would not have won so many Bowl games, got into the Pac 12 and played us really even over the last 20 years.

    Utes - stop being so silly in suggesting BYU does not have an equal program. We do. BYU has had many successes, a National Title, big wins and there is no doubt BYU remains a Top 25 team on average over the years. We are pulling off Independence in a way that very few could. It is impressive if you really consider what they have done in Provo. Not perfect but impressive.

    These are both very good programs. That's why we had a rivalry. Because of the equality of the teams.

    So all of you - get over yourselves. The State should be proud of both its teams and when the day comes, the teams will battle it out on the field and we can cheer our teams and when its over move on. Bragging rights for a year to the winner. Period.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 20, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    [Continued]--Make no mistake about it, it was anything but UTAH's biggest win of the year, but most certainly was their easiest....You byu people want to act as if byu was anything more than just barely mediocre last year as a coping-mechanism....You're cleary traumatized by what took place last September in Provo, I know, w/no remedy in sight, other than to tell yourselves and anybody else who'll listen to you, lies and distorted-versions of the truth....Spin never produces its intended result, in the end, never.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 20, 2012 2:24 p.m.

    Wisc > Mich...maybe we should drop Utah from the schedule in 2013, you know, just to be fair to the players and the program? As long as truly "elite" teams like Wisconsen are negotiating home and home series, U have no place to even assume that you should be a contender for a 2 for 1.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 20, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    Good luck, Cougars. You'll have to play extremely well to beat the Badgers.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 20, 2012 3:03 p.m.

    @AZUTE "You byu people want to act as if byu was anything more than just barely mediocre last year as a coping-mechanism."

    We're not acting...coaches around the country voted BYU as the 25th best team in the nation. AP writers voted BYU as being just outside of the top 25 at #26. Jeff Sagarin had BYU as the 34th best team in the country.

    Interestingly enough, Utah wasn't to be found in either of the first two polls and was 5 spots behind BYU in the Sagarin.

    So according to all of these different people, BYU was the second-best team Utah faced in 2011 and therefore the best team that Utah beat.

    But hey, you're entitled to your opinion.

    Congrats on the 54-10...it was by far your easiest win. I can't think of another team that gave U 7 TO's and let U score 28 pts on 6 yds of total offense.

    However, MY coping mechanism is recognizing that nobody cares about Utah outside of SLC, U have to get a contract with KJZZ just to air your games, and U run your football facilities out of a trailer park.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    "[Continued]--Make no mistake about it, it was anything but UTAH's biggest win of the year, but most certainly was their easiest....You byu people want to act as if byu was anything more than just barely mediocre last year as a coping-mechanism....You're cleary traumatized by what took place last September in Provo, I know, w/no remedy in sight, other than to tell yourselves and anybody else who'll listen to you, lies and distorted-versions of the truth....Spin never produces its intended result, in the end, never."

    Don't make it into something more than it is AZUTE. According to the top 25 and the Sagarin ratings it was the highest ranked team your Utes beat last year. Like it or not, those are the facts. Was Utah the better of the two teams last year? Easily, I was at the game and I will give Utah full credit for an absolute butt kicking. But don't fall into the trap that so many Utah fans do and use that to come to the conclusion that BYU was just"just barely mediocre".

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 20, 2012 3:22 p.m.

    To continue, one game does not a season make. If we followed that criteria, Utah would be less than mediocre because of the loss to Colorado; but we know that is far from the truth. I think Utah actually had a fairly successful season in its inaugural PAC12 season. Something to build on. I also think that BYU had a fairly successful season; nothing more. I am under no allusions as to how good BYU really is, but it seems that there are a fair amount of delusional Utah fans pertaining to their perspective on BYU sports. Particularly football.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 20, 2012 4:03 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but how many wins has Utah EVER had over one of the elite teams: Notre Dame, Miami, Florida State, Florida, LSU, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma, USC, Michigan, Penn State, and Ohio State.

    Utah has rarily even played any of those teams, let alone beaten them.

    Kyle is 17-10 versus mostly non-elite, mid- to bottom-tier "bcs" teams.

    Against elite, ranked "bcs" teams, Utah has one win, PERIOD!

    It's hillarious how Utah fans beat their chests about occassionally beating ranked teams, but then pretend the being ranked is meaningless. Total hypocrisy!

    Which is more important, beating a ranked team, or BEING a ranked team?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 20, 2012 4:14 p.m.

    MLH

    "Snack PAC - Give it a rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores."

    Tell your buddy WACpaddled, to GIVE IT A REST... he's the one who's been posting the BYU-San Jose State series record ad nauseiu.

    The truth is, Utah and BYU are both 6-1 versus San Jose State since the WAC was created, and Utah's loss to San Jose State was more recent.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 20, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Stronger SOS in 2013?"

    Stronger SOS in 2013!

    Even without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin rankings from 2011)

    Overall Average Ranking/Record
    BYU #43 9-5 (FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two opponents with losing records)
    Utah #57 7-6 (three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100; SIX opponents with losing records)

    BYU 2013
    #8 Wisconsin 11-3
    #9 Boise State 12-1
    #15 Houston 13-1
    #17 Texas 8-5
    #26 Notre Dame 8-5
    #39 Utah 8-5
    #56 Georgia Tech 8-5
    #80 Utah State 7-6
    #83 Washington State 4-8
    #97 Hawaii 6-7

    ---------
    Utah 2013
    #5 Oregon 12-2
    #7 Stanford 11-2
    #12 USC 10-2
    #34 Brigham Young 10-3
    #41 Arizona State 6-7
    #44 Washington 7-6
    #64 Arizona 4-8
    #66 UCLA 6-8
    #80 Utah State 7-6
    #87 Oregon State 3-9
    #107 Colorado 3-10
    #136 Weber State 5-6

    Facts are facts, dispite your frantic attempt to ignore the facts.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 20, 2012 4:28 p.m.

    Dnquixote

    The bottom line here is that now that BYU has silenced all of the SOS whining from the kids on the hill, the BYU-haters are desperately hoping that BYU will get crushed next season or the whiners will have NOTHING to whine about.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 20, 2012 4:59 p.m.

    Marked it Down
    Park City, UT
    MLH

    "Snack PAC - Give it a rest, who looks up records from 1968, 1974 against San Jose State and then compares scores."

    Tell your buddy WACpaddled, to GIVE IT A REST... he's the one who's been posting the BYU-San Jose State series record ad nauseiu.

    The truth is, Utah and BYU are both 6-1 versus San Jose State since the WAC was created, and Utah's loss to San Jose State was more recent.

    __________________________________

    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado!

    BYU is 7-20 all time against Arizona St!

    How can this be?

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    July 20, 2012 5:21 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    Utah is 0-7 versus Washington, including a loss in 2011

    BYU is 4-4 versus Washington, including a win 2010

    How can this be?

    ---------------

    btw,

    Utah was OWNED by the WAC - 200-208-4(49%) - TWO WAC championships

    BYU OWNED the WAC - 288-147-4(66%) - NINETEEN WAC championships (including 10 in a row)

    head-to-head
    BYU 24
    Utah 13

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    @Marked it Down
    Even without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin rankings from 2011)... Facts are facts, dispite your frantic attempt to ignore the facts.

    ---------

    Using 2011 rankings and ignoring 3 TBA teams for BYU for 2013 SOS is based on fact it's a meaningless opinion.

    The fact is playing @USC, @Oregon, @Stanford is a brutal schedule since most likely two of those teams will be in the top 10. If you disagree show me a similar road schedule, as of today not even Alabama's road schedule comes close (neutral VTech, @Auburn, @MS, @Ole Miss).

    @deductive

    BYU wasn't a top 25 team in the nation last year... see USC for details.

    Like I said, before and after Edwards BYU hasn't beaten anyone...

    Top 3 wins after Edwards:
    2009 #18 Utah 10-3
    2006 #22 TCU 11-2
    2009 Oklahoma 8-5

    So if Kyle at 17-10 vs BCS teams is irrelevant then what is Bronco at 10-11?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 20, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    BYU is 24-7 all time versus Air Force;
    Utah is 13-14.

    BYU is 27-7-1 all time versus San Diego State;
    Utah is 17-12.

    BYU is 20-8 all time versus Hawaii;
    Utah is 15-12.

    BYU is 3-3 all time versus Oregon;
    Utah is 8-18.

    BYU is 5-5 all time versus Oregon State;
    Utah is 6-9-1.

    BYU is 2-1 all time versus Washington State.
    Utah is 6-5.

    BYU is 2-1 all time versus Texas.
    Utah is 0-1.

    BYU is 2-0 all time versus Oklahoma.
    Utah is 0-1.

    How can this be?

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 20, 2012 5:55 p.m.

    Marked it Down

    "Even without the final two or three pieces of the puzzle, BYU 2013 already has a stronger SOS than Utah 2013 (based on records and Sagarin rankings from 2011)"

    "Overall Average Ranking/Record
    BYU #43 9-5 (FIVE Top 25; 0 Bottom 100; two opponents with losing records)
    Utah #57 7-6 (three Top 25; TWO Bottom 100; SIX opponents with losing records)"
    ____________

    It's very convenient for your argument that BYU has not yet scheduled their final two opponents. If they're as weak as Idaho State and New Mexico State then BYU will have a weaker SOS than Utah based on last years rankings. If they're better than that, say the same level as a Weber State and Colorado, which are on Utah's schedule, then Utah and BYU would end up with an identical SOS ranking based on last years numbers ... which is silly anyway.

    Way to get ahead of yourself ... and way to copy someone else's earlier comment that was already exposed as a weak and misguided attempt to con readers into thinking BYU has a superior schedule to Utah in 2013 when it most likely won't be.

    Try again.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 20, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    BYU is 3-8-1 all time against Colorado; (including a win in the Freedom Bowl)
    Utah is 24-31-3 (including a loss in 2011)

    BYU is 7-20 all time against Arizona St; (including wins in 1997 and 1998)
    Utah is 6-17 (including a loss in 2011)

    How can this be?

    --------

    Now that the Utes are bottom-dwellers in the PAC, expect those all-time records against PAC 12 opponents to steadily worsen.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 7:46 p.m.

    Uteology

    "BYU wasn't a top 25 team in the nation last year..."

    lol, the Coaches Poll says otherwise

    Five Top 25 finishes in the last six years is proof enough of how meaningless your BYU-hating spin is. As usual, you're blind to the other side of the win-loss equation, LOSSES.

    The reason BYU is a perennial Top 25 finisher, and Utah rarily finishes in the Top 25, is, unlike Utah, BYU seldom loses to bad teams.

    Bronco has only lost to THREE teams with losing records, NONE at home:
    2005 at SDSU(5-7)
    2007 at UCLA(6-7)
    2010 at Utah State(4-8)

    Kyle has lost to SIX teams with losing records, including THREE at home; and TWO 10-loss teams:
    2005 SDSU(5-7)
    2005 at No Carolina(5-6)
    2006 at New Mexico(6-7)
    2007 at UNLV(2-10)
    2011 Arizona State(6-7)
    2011 Colorado(3-10)

    You can whine all you want to about wins against ranked and "bcs", but the overall rankings speak for themselves:

    Bronco - FIVE Top 25 Finishes, including THREE Top 15 Finishes
    Kyle - only three Top 25 Finishes, and only one Top 15 Finish

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 20, 2012 7:59 p.m.

    motorbike

    "It's very convenient for your argument that BYU has not yet scheduled their final two opponents."

    Convenience has nothing to do with the argument. The comparison is what it is based on the currently available information.

    Utah fans have been getting ahead of themselves since the Utes were invited to the PAC, expecting to be one of the big boys in the "conference of champions".

    How'd that work out your first year?

    8th in football with a losing 4-5 conference record and a humiliating loss to 10-loss Colorado
    11th in basketball with only 3 conference wins
    last or next to last in every other men's sport

    Bottom line:

    BYU went ahead and scheduled Wisconsin for 2013, even though the Cougars were already scheduled to play Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, AND Utah.

    Utah ran away from BYU in 2014 because Hill didn't think the Utes were good enough to play Michigan and BYU in the same season.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 20, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    Snack PAC, I'm still laughing!

    "btw, BYU is UNDEFEATED against the SLC YMCA;
    Utah is only 1-6 versus the Village People."

    17-14 has got to be a close second.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 20, 2012 10:08 p.m.

    Times sure have changed in Provo.
    Since L. Edwards retired. Football has become a feel good program. You brag about scheduling tough teams like Wisconsin, but lack the players to beat better teams like that. Has been said before. You could schedule all the best, but if you do not win it does not matter.

    BYUbees like being in a "feel good about ourselves comfort zone." Rather than expect to win like in times past.

    Interesting to read what Badger fans are saying online. Seems Wisconsin has been criticized for having a weak non conference schedule the past few years. Some think BYU is ok but not a significant step up.

  • crowntown1 Corona, CA
    July 20, 2012 10:24 p.m.

    Byu is biting off more than they can chew.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    July 20, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    upinthenight

    You brag about scheduling tough teams like Michigan, but lack the players to beat better teams like that... see Colorado and ASU.

    crowntown1

    Utah is biting off more than they can chew... which is precisely why the Utes were forced to bail on BYU in 2014 and 2015.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 21, 2012 12:02 a.m.

    mussingaround said:

    "You brag about scheduling tough teams like Michigan, but lack the players to beat better teams like that... see Colorado and ASU."

    Why does a BYU fan resort to making false statements like this?
    Please show me and everyone else here where I said anything about Michigan.

    And since you brought it up, or are carrying it on. BYU has a losing record to both Colorado & ASU. What is your point?

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 21, 2012 7:49 a.m.

    BYu is in big trouble in 2013. They lose 29 seniors after this year and if Van Noy and Hoffman play well they will declare for the NFL draft for sure. BYu's recruiting the last 2 years and this years class rank in the bottom half in the country. BYu will be lucky to win against NMSU at home next year..........they'll get slaughtered by most everyone else.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2012 9:27 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Every team has to reload from time to time, but your "concerns" about the strength of the last couple of BYU recruiting classes are meaningless. If you follow BYU football at all, which you obviously do since you're obsessed with BYU, you know that because of missions, greyshirts, and redshirts, players from a single recruiting class are usually spread out over 7 or 8 years, and sizes of recruiting classes vary greatly depending on the number of available scholarships. Most of the players recruited in 2011 and 2012 won't even be in the two-deep starting rotation until 2014 and beyond.

    Your prediction of BYU getting "slaughtered by most everyone" except NMSU (which isn't even on the schedule) is laughable. You don't have even the slightest idea how good BYU will be in 2013.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 21, 2012 10:10 a.m.

    NightOwlAmerica

    "Why does a BYU fan resort to making false statements like this?
    Please show me and everyone else here where I said anything about Michigan."

    You whine about being misquoted, yet you're amazingly inconsistent in your criticism of BYU.

    -----------------
    Pac-12, Big Ten call off scheduling alliance’
    NightOwlAmerica
    12:44 p.m. July 13, 2012

    "Its ok BYU fans.
    This in no way will affect the Cougars scheduling alliance with WAC teams.
    BYU needs to keep up its legacy of bottom feeding on cellar dwellers!"

    ---------------
    BYU, Wisconsin have finalized home-and-home series
    NightOwlAmerica
    10:08 p.m. July 20, 2012

    "You brag about scheduling tough teams like Wisconsin, but lack the players to beat better teams like that."

    ---------------

    Whining about BYU scheduling weak WAC opponents, then criticizing BYU for scheduling Wisconsin, simply proves that BYU-obsessed haters will resort to picking any nit they can conceive.

    You may not have mentioned Michigan, but you also didn't say a word about Utah scheduling an OOC opponent that might be too good for Utah's talent level. If Utah can't beat Colorado, the Utes obviously don't have the talent to beat Michigan.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 21, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Chris B: "Does BYU really want to be scheduling difficult teams like Utah, Boise, Notre Dame, and Wisconsin anyways? Two reasons I see not:"

    "1) Your record against teams within winning records over the past 2 years: 0-8."

    Tulsa(8-5) 24-21, Utah State(7-6) 27-24, Washington(7-6) 23-17, and San Diego State(9-4) 24-21 all had winning record. Looks like someone could use a little refresher on those old counting skills.

    "2) You lose one game and your season is over. Contrary, last year in a very medicore season with a 3rd string QB we were one fieldgoal away from a BCS conference championship."

    BYU and Utah are rarily going to be a serious contenders for a national championship, but calling a season "over" because you didn't make the four-team playoff is ludicrous. Despite your crimson-glasses shaded view of the landscape, Utah wasn't even close to actually winning a "bcs" conference championship. Even if the Utes had pulled off a win against Colorado, the Utes would have been destroyed by Oregon. Utah was just as close to losing to WSU and finishing 3-6 in conference.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    July 21, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Hey LonestarRunner. Stop crying. BYU did not have the talent to beat Utah last year remember? Y'all lost on ESPN in front of a national audience. You can't beat them so why complain about the Ute's not playing you? Its funny looking at BYU fans thinking they are the only ones entitled to post stats, no matter how far back they go. And I think you are 0-4 all time against us. Have a problem with that modern era stat?

    Go Seminoles!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 21, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    Hey Seminolebob. Stop your hyperbole. Yes, we remember BYU gave the game away to Utah in September. BYU would have crushed the team that Utah put on the field against Colorado. The final results speak for themselves

    BYU(10-3), #25 Coaches, #26 AP, #34 Sagarin

    Utah(8-5), not a single vote in either poll, #39 Sagarin

    The BEST team Utah beat was BYU.

    The WORST team BYU lost to was Utah.

    ------------

    btw, BYU may be 0-4 versus Florida State during the last 20 years (BYU had mediocre teams in three of the four seasons), but during the last 6 years, BYU has finished in the Top 25 FIVE times; the Seminoles only three times.

    2006
    BYU #16/#15
    FSU unranked

    2007
    BYU #14/#14
    FSU unranked

    2008
    BYU #25/#21
    FSU #21/#23

    2009
    BYU #12/#12
    FSU unranked

    2010
    BYU unranked
    FSU #17/#16

    2011
    BYU ur/#25
    FSU #23/#23

    One game does not a season make. Have a problem with those modern era stats?

    Go Cougars!

    ----------

    btw

    What is a Florida State fan doing hanging out on a BYU/Utah blog anyway?

    Can't handle the smack from the Miami and Florida fans?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 1:56 p.m.

    @Ute Envious

    Mr. Giggles here are three polls that disagree with the you: AP, Harris, and BCS

    Three out of the four polls say that the 2011 BYU team with a SOS #90 was not a top 25 team.

    ASU (6-7) was 5-1 at the start of the season beating Missouri (8-5), #6 USC (10-2), and Utah (8-5). They were playing great, ranked #18.

    Compared that to BYU's biggest win Tulsa (8-5) and you'll see the difference in playing a WAC-lite and a real schedule. Whose to say ASU wouldn't have beat CFU, USU, SJS, Idaho State, NMS, Idaho at home like BYU.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 4:57 p.m.

    Uteology

    Your spin is hillarious.

    There are only two end-of-season, final polls, that are considered Final Top 25 rankings - the AP Poll and the Coaches Poll.

    BYU 2011 - #25 Coaches, #26 AP
    Utah 2010 - unranked Coaches, #23 AP
    Pittsburgh 2004 - unranked Coaches, #25 AP

    It's laughable how Utah fans will take credit for being a Top 25 team in 2010, and for beating a Top 25 team in 2004, but then pretend that the exact same criteria doesn't apply to BYU. The shear hypocrisy is hillarious.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 21, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Bottomline--4 of byu's 7 TOs last year were directly forced by UTAH....Not to mention UTAH had 2 TOs of their own....The 44-point final-margin was anything but a fluke....UTAH and byu both finished the year winning 5 of 6, w/UTAH beating 5 BCS schools and byu beating 5 non-BCS schools, including the following national-powerhouses:

    Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii and Tulsa--BRUTAL.

    As disappointing and flukish as losing to CU was, what's never, ever acknowledged by the byu-fanbase, was the fact CU's Strength-Of-Schedule was among the nation's toughest, while byu's was among the nation's weakest....Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's final-record.

    I marvel at how byu fans see their team beat-up on patsies in racking-up their wins and then claim superiority and attempt to sweep under the carpet these blantant-facts....The East Coast voters obviously voted purely on byu's record....Had they actually reviewed their "body-of-work", they would've been laughing uncontrollably and not even remotely considered registering even one, single vote.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 21, 2012 7:56 p.m.

    ".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's final-record."

    I hate to break it to you AZUTE, but that is not a "blantant-fact"(?). That is pure conjecture on your part. The only factual part of that statement is that it was made by another Utah fan who likes to spew conjectures and try to pass them of as fact.

    Here are some facts for you. Colorado got blown out by Hawaii,(yes, the same Hawaii that BYU handled easily) they got beat at home by Washington State, and the week before they played Utah they got absolutely hammered by UCLA. Face it, no matter how you want to spin it, they were a bad team.

    The rest of your statement(about the East Coast voters) is conjecture as well. I doubt you know what kind of knowledge each one of them had about BYU's season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    No it's not since the criteria is different:

    BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull because #6 USC was ineligible.

    See the difference?

    Actually, we don't take credit for pounding a top 25 team last year, even ESPN agrees:

    "Message received. Since 2008, the Pac-12 is 17-31 (.354) against top-25 competition outside of the conference. Here's the team-by-team...

    *Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season, so their figures aren't included."

    -- By Kevin Gemmell | ESPN

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 21, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    Cougars1--You still haven't recovered from the yesterday, have you? It's OK, I understand.

    My facts included the head-to-head result between UTAH and byu last year and the legitimacy of the final margin....It also included the fact that CU's Strength-Of-Schedule was BRUTAL, whereas byu's was WEAK, as was Hawaii's....WSU also played UO on the road more competitively than most, trailing only 15-10 at halftime while losing by just 15....Your point in mentioning them? Clearly irrelevant and not even remotely countering my post.

    You can spin to your heart's delight, but you'll never, ever be able to get around the fact UTAH destroyed byu head-to-head on their homefield and you'll never, ever be able to get around the fact byu's schedule last year was blatantly-weak....And my statements regarding switching schedules and the East Coast voters were SPOT-ON.

    Reality is BRUTAL for byu fans, I know.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 8:26 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "what's never, ever acknowledged by the BYU-fanbase, was the fact CU's Strength-Of-Schedule..."

    Laughing uncontrollably at your spin.

    #107 Colorado's(3-10) SOS was ranked 21st.

    #91 Kansas's(2-10) SOS was ranked 1st.

    As you can see, SOS was a factor in Kansas (with a worse record), finishing well ahead of Colorado.

    What the Utah-fanbase refuses to accept is that SOS is ALREADY calculated into the final rankings for #34 BYU(10-3) with a SOS of 90th, and #39 Utah(8-5) with a SOS of 49th.

    It's laughable that Utah fans keep desperately insisting that the poll voters were soooo astute when they ranked Utah in the Top 5 in 2004 and 2008, yet sooooo clueless when then ranked BYU #1 in 1984 and #25 in 2011.

    If #39 Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would have lost at #17 Texas, at #20 TCU, and vs. #35 Tulsa - 10-3.

    If #34 BYU had played Utah's schedule, the Cougars would have lost at #12 USC, to #39 Utah, at #38 California, and to Oregon (in the PAC 12 Championship game) - 10-4.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 21, 2012 8:44 p.m.

    Uteology

    @Uteanymous

    "No it's not since the criteria is different: BYU was only ranked in the coaches pull[sic] because #6 USC was ineligible."

    lol, at the absurd and inconsistent arguments Utah fans come up with.

    We all know that Utah fans would still be beating their chests about winning the PAC 12 South, IF the Utes hadn't imploded against lowly Colorado, even though Utah would only have won the division because #6 USC WAS INELIGIBLE.

    The reason ESPN says "Colorado and Utah did not play any top-25 teams outside of the Pac-12 last season" is because ESPN uses the AP poll results, NOT the Coaches poll.

    Teams on probation are INELIGIBLE to be included in the Coaches Poll, so BYU was indeed a Top 25 team according to the Coaches, and just barely outside the Top 25, according to the Sportswriters.

    Either way you slice it, BYU finished SIGNIFICANTLY higher than Utah in both polls, which agreed that Utah wasn't good enough to be worthy of even a single vote.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 21, 2012 9:15 p.m.

    "Was Utah the better of the two teams last year? Easily, I was at the game and I will give Utah full credit for an absolute butt kicking. But don't fall into the trap that so many Utah fans do and use that to come to the conclusion that BYU was just"just barely mediocre".

    AZUTE,
    That is in a comment posted by me yesterday at 3:16 P.M.. Clearly I have no problem with the outcome of the BYU/Utah game last year. Your two statements are still nothing more than conjecture. I posted the FACTS about Colorado's schedule so that you could see how ridiculous your statement was. In fact BYU destroyed a Hawaii team that clearly handed the Buffs a pretty lopsided loss. I am sorry, but it appears that you may be in some sort of denial yourself to be throwing out such conjectures without any facts at all. Oh, other than the fact that BYU got killed by Utah. As I stated before, I was there, Utah was the better team.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 21, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    One more thing. BYU did in fact have a weak schedule last year; something they won't have to worry about in 2013, and your statements were far from SPOT ON.They were nothing more than CONJECTURE.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 21, 2012 10:51 p.m.

    Cougars1

    Utah was clearly the better team in September, but the Hays-led Utah team that took the field against Colorado in late November would have lost to the Riley-led BYU team that only lost at #14/#13 TCU(11-2), 38-28 in late October.

    Conjecture, yes, but we see it all the time in basketball, where a team wins by 20 in the first meeting, and then loses by 20 to the same team in the rematch.

    Case in point:

    Nov 11, 2011 - LSU 6 at Alabama 9
    Jan 9, 2012 - LSU 21 vs Alabama 0 in the NC game

    Oct 15, 2001 - Colorado 41 at Texas 7
    Dec 1, 2001 - Colorado 37 vs Texas 39 in the Big 12 Championship game

    The only reason we don't see this as often in college football is because we seldom have rematches.

    One game does not a season make, nor does a single head-to-head match prove, conclusively, which team is better.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 21, 2012 11:11 p.m.

    Snack,

    You seem to have missed my whole point. I am fine with conjecture; just don't use it to prove a point and call it fact. To say ".Switch the two-schedules, and each team would've had the other's final-record." and then cal it a "blantant fact" is just not true. It's conjecture, and a bad one at that, especially when you consider Hawaii killed Colorado and by the time they played UCLA they didn't appear to be any better.

    Your comment is spot on. Very well stated.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    July 22, 2012 10:20 a.m.

    Phoenix who cares?
    I don't care if BYU was number on then. Your mediocre rankings does not change the fact that you are winless against Florida Sate. But if that makes you feel good, go ahead and keep posting lame stats. Is that all BYU fans like yourself are proud of? Is there nothing more in cougar land to go after? What about settling for nothing less than a national title in 2012? We don't care about mid to late top 25 rankings, we want to be number one.

    BTW. I can post here if I want. There are no rules that I know of that says a Seminole fan can't post here. And you are not the only cougar fan to say something. So why do cougar fans feel the need to try and run posters out of here and act like they own this place?

    Go Seminoles!

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 22, 2012 4:15 p.m.

    Phoenix who cares?

    You do!

    ...or you wouldn't be trying to pretend that BYU's THREE Top 15 Finishes in the last six years are "mediocre" in comparison to Florida State's ZERO Top 15 Finishes in the same time period.

    You can post wherever you want to, it's a free country; that doesn't mean that it isn't lame for a Seminole fan to be hanging out on a BYU-Utah blog.

    You can talk all you want to about Florida State's only goal being winning a national championship, but the truth is, you laid an egg in your final game in 2000, the only half-decent chance you've had this century.

    From 1987 to 2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons.

    Since then, only two.

    Your glory days are fading.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 22, 2012 5:33 p.m.

    BlueCoug said:

    "Phoenix who cares?

    .......From 1987 to 2000, the Seminoles had 14 straight 10+ win seasons.

    Since then, only two.

    Your glory days are fading."

    LOL!
    EPIC FAIL BlueCoug.
    BYUs glory days faded a long time ago.

    Many sports writers and analysts have picked Florida State to play for, if not win the national title this year.
    You do realize that right?
    LOL!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 22, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 22, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    "Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title."

    Imagine that, a non-big-four team picked to play for the national title...

    With the SEC always a lock to being the other conference in the "bcs" championship, the season is already over for the PAC 12/B1G; why even bother playing?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 22, 2012 7:17 p.m.

    A preseason favorite to win the title....and you guys make fun of BYU fans for preseason(fill in the blank).

    Actually, though I may be a die hard Cougar fan, I have always like Florida State. I hope they do win the National Title this year. Go Noles!!

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    July 22, 2012 7:27 p.m.

    Again, a BYU football article has inspired Utah fans to beat their chests and proclaim superiority. Since Utah has decided that BYU is just too tough an opponent to schedule every year and that the PAC has determined that Colorado will be their new rival, Ute fans should play "my dad can whip your dad" with the Buffs. Personally, I prefer the independent schedule with a wide variety of opponents such as Texas, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Wisconsin, Boise State and Utah State as well as many other nationally ranked opponents to playing Washington State, Arizona State, Oregon State, California and other mediocre PAC teams every year. The post BCS era will see SOS as being more important than conference affiliation. Congratulations to Tom Holmoe for putting together a great BYU football schedule.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 22, 2012 7:49 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority
    Arlington, VA
    "Florida St. is a preseason favorite to win the national title."

    Imagine that, a non-big-four team picked to play for the national title...

    With the SEC always a lock to being the other conference in the "bcs" championship, the season is already over for the PAC 12/B1G; why even bother playing?

    ________________________

    Well the ACC is still considered a power conference. Sooner or later Florida St. will join the Big 12 anyway.
    Teams in the SEC still have to win in order to play for the title.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 22, 2012 8:33 p.m.

    WACPaddled

    "Well the ACC is still considered a power conference."

    It's laughable how quickly Utah fans switch positions. When the four-team playoff was announced a couple of weeks ago, Utah fans assumed that the PAC 12, being one of the "big 4" conferences, would always be one of the conferences represented.

    Now, Utah fans are acknowledging a 5th power conference, that could make the PAC 12 irrelevant in 2012, before the season even starts.

    btw WACdude

    Utah was owned by the WAC - 200-208-4 (49%); two championships.

    BYU owned the WAC - 288-147-4 (66%); NINETEEN championships; 24-13 versus Utah.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 22, 2012 8:45 p.m.

    SportsFan why are you hijacking what others are saying here?
    What is there to switch positions about? Across the country the ACC is recognized as a power conference. Not just by Utah fans.

    If you have not figured out by now, Florida St. is in the ACC.

    And BYU is an independent.
    Neither BYU or Utah is being considered as contenders for the national title this season. Florida State is.

    Stop crying and move along please.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 22, 2012 10:14 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Yes, BYU fans have always known that the Seminoles are in the ACC, another power conference.

    The only ones whining about it are the kids on the hill.

    BYU fans recognized as soon as the four-team playoff was announced that the days of the PAC 12 being automatically included in any "championship series" were numbered. The ONLY ones not recognizing the existence of FIVE major conference were the kids on the hill who assumed that winning the PAC 12 championship game was an automatic ticket into the playoffs.

    Reality is finally taking hold on the hill, and it's becoming apparent that the PAC 12 could be left on the outside looking in at the playoffs as often as not.

    Five power conference champions, plus a possible independent and/or team from another conference (Big East, MWC, Conference USA), plus a 2nd place team from the SEC or Big 12, could easily create a log jam of too many teams, for too few spaces.

    That's why Scott pushed for a plus-one or conference champions only playoff, but he was overruled by the true powers of college football, the SEC and the Big 12.

    Move along please.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 22, 2012 10:29 p.m.

    EPIC FAIL in logic NightOwl!

    Florida State's glory days have nothing whatsoever to do with BYU's glory days.

    It's laughable the double-standard Utah fans have - willing to grant a preseason national championship pass to Florida State, but so quick to taunt any other program that has the audacity to suggest that winning a national championship might be one of their goals as well.

    Jealous U indeed.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 10:16 a.m.

    BYU vs Penn State should be played every year on Halloween. Get busy Holmoe and get it scheduled!!!!

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    July 23, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    Looks like some BYU fans like anti BCS can't handle the fact that Utah fans are talking about the Noles playing for the title, not BYU.

    A BYU fan brought up glory days first. Practice reading comprehension skills, go back and look it up.

    Get over yourselves already.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    It's doubtful that any program will be rushing out to schedule Penn State anytime soon, but Hawaii could be a candidate, since they're dealing with scandals of their own.

    btw,

    BYU is now the ONLY major college never to have had its football or basketball programs investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 10:54 a.m.

    @ Seminolebob,

    FSU absolutely crucified BYU twice a few years ago. What decent team doesn't pound BYu in the the 21st century? TCU just creamed BYu the last four years they played. They all do.........even USU and Air Force has curb-stomped lowly BYu in recent years.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 11:03 a.m.

    FSU is totally stacked this year, DANGEROUS to the max.......I believe they will win it all this year. I don't personally like FSU, but I certainly respect them. Goooooooo Utes!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 11:16 a.m.

    BYu football is the SOLE reason that the BCS even exists. What happened in 1984 was the 3rd most egregious occurrence in the history of sports, according to a ESPN "Outside the lines" presentation that aired 3 years ago. That kind of catastrophe will never happen again.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii,

    At least BYU played Florida State in a home and home. Not only has Utah never played Florida State, they have been taken to the wood shed by California, UW, Arizona St., USC, and Colorado. Since 2006 we can put TCU, Notre Dame, BSU, Oregon, BYU, Air Force, Oregon State, UNLV, New Mexico, Wyoming, and UCLA on that list. Wow, UNLV, New Mexico and Wyoming? That's embarrassing.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 23, 2012 11:24 a.m.

    Solomon Levi said:

    "btw,

    BYU is now the ONLY major college never to have had its football or basketball programs investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA."

    Not true and your comment is misleading. There are schools that were investigated but never sanctioned. And other schools were investigated, dished out their own punishment and were never sanctioned by the NCAA.

    Air Force, Stanford, Boston College.....there are 13 more.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    @ Cougars1,

    Who cares?........FSU killed them, like any other decent team does. Utah is in the 12 PAC son, and your sad school was NEVA considered by any decent BCS conference. Utah has a SWEET schedule for many years to come. BYu football is last century's' aberration.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 11:37 a.m.

    BYU got busted by the NCAA recently.........volleyball.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 23, 2012 11:46 a.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    Nothing compares to a woodshed beating by a 10-loss team...

    and Utah has earned that humiliating distinction TWICE in the last five seasons.

    -----------

    NightOwlAmerica

    "investigated/sanctioned" = investigated or sanctioned or both

    Feel free to extend and revise your remarks accordingly.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    U-H,

    You care or you wouldn't even bother to give it a second thought. Let alone post endlessly on this story about Wisconsin scheduling a home and home with BYU, which discounts that BYU is or was a aberration,son. Utah does have a sweet deal in the PAC. Being jealous of that will get BYU nowhere, so they decided to make their own sweet deal with ESPN and by the looks of future schedules, several good programs.

    Night Owl,
    You are correct. I think what Solomon Levi forgot to add to his comment was National Championship. BYU is the only school to have won a National Championship in football and not have NCAA sanctions against the program.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 23, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica

    How was Solomon Levi's comment misleading? He said: "BYU is now the ONLY major college never to have had its football or basketball programs investigated/sanctioned by the NCAA."

    So his point was BYU has "never been INVESTIGATED/sanctioned by the NCAA'. All of the schools you brought up were all INVESTIGATED by the NCAA for infractions.

    Not sure where your beef was with SL's comment.

    @UHA "BYu football is last century's' aberration."

    The abundance of your comments on BYU boards says otherwise.

    Go Cougars!

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    July 23, 2012 11:55 a.m.

    Seminolebob

    "Looks like some BYU fans like anti BCS can't handle the fact that Utah fans are talking about the Noles playing for the title, not BYU."

    BYU fans couldn't care less about the BYU-haters coming to a defense of a Florida State fan talking about playing for a NC - all BYU fans are doing is pointing out the continued hypocrisy of the kids on the hill.

    Good luck with your... mission... quest ... thing.

    You should print T'shirts. It'll keep your Florida and Miami rivals entertained.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 23, 2012 12:24 p.m.

    You are correct Cougars1 about the national title part.

    MUSSing with U, I don't think it would be a good idea to stir up a Florida St. poster. It could invite others to join and create problems here. You guys cornered the market on t-shirt slogans.

    truecoug1. BYU was investigated and penalized for men's volleyball recruiting violations in 2008. Other schools have been investigated but not penalized. There are also some MAC schools with very good track records. Look them up. BYU is not the only school with a near perfect record.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    The thing that I've enjoyed so much about ESPN's "awesome" coverage of BYu football, is seeing Y fans exiting LES early in the 3rd quarter when they play "OK" teams, in the last five years, is because they got crucified ..........."PRICELESS!"

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 23, 2012 12:42 p.m.

    U-H,

    Priceless was watching Utah get shut out 27-0 by one of the worst teams UNLV ever put on the field; or watching the Buffs break the nations longest losing streak on the road at rice-krispies stadium. PRICELESS!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 23, 2012 12:46 p.m.

    Utah-Hawaii Alum

    No fans have EVER exited a stadium faster than Utah fans during TCU's 7-47 annihilation of the Top 5-ranked "national championship contender" Utes with ESPN College Game Day there to witness the carnage... Utah fans exiting the stadium during 3-10 Colorado's domination of Utah last season would be a close second.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 23, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    @ Cougars1,

    I think BYu's 2013 schedule is very cool and tough. However, they could lose every game. BYu loses 29 seniors and Van Noy/Hoffman will declare early for the NFL draft for sure. Also, Bronco might not come back for the last year on his contract? Who knows? But, I know this....... BYu's recruits in the last few years are not impressive. The 2013 BYu defense will be brand new and a new QB to boot. What, after two to five of the first BYu games watching getting blown out........and you think ESPN will broadcast any other home games? Not a chance!

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 23, 2012 2:58 p.m.

    U-H,

    First of all, I do not deal in what ifs or mights. Based on what you say in that regard Utah could lose all of its PAC games for the next several years as their recruiting classes don't even come close to the majority of PAC schools, and Whit could leave next year for more money. We all know that what you say about BYU is nothing more than a personal pipe dream so we will just be happy to wait and see how the games play out.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    July 23, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    UHA

    Priceless was witnessing the whining, wailing, and crocodile tears of the fans that had their Disneyland side trip cancelled last fall...

    ... by a 10 loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4 yrs.

    Those Buffs were sure some happy football boys!

    Another 'delicious' nationally televised embarrassing Ute moment in recent history.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 24, 2012 9:50 a.m.

    "Props to BYU for putting together a strong Indy schedule for 2013. Regardless of the significant improvements they're making, I still think it would be a lot more fun to see them in the Big12 but their commitment to BYU-TV is probably the wedge that prevents an invitation (the BIG12 would probably make concessions on the Sunday play issue).

    Wouldn't it be more fun if there was a conference championship to play for every year.... even if there were a couple of early season losses?"

    I agree but, even coming from a BYU fan, it's apparent that the only conferences that can stomach BYU are ones where BYU will be the biggest financial draw. BYU would be a nice addition to any conference but, doesn't equate to adding another USC or Texas to any conference. Hopefully they can put it together on the field and take advantage of what should be an improved system for determining a champion though.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 24, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    17-14 Hurts Don't It?
    Springville, UT
    UHA

    Priceless was witnessing the whining, wailing, and crocodile tears of the fans that had their Disneyland side trip cancelled last fall...

    ... by a 10 loss team that hadn't won a road game in 4 yrs.

    Those Buffs were sure some happy football boys!

    Another 'delicious' nationally televised embarrassing Ute moment in recent history.

    ________________

    I totally agree. That 54-10 choke job was embarrassing for the Utes! I think they expected a better game from the kitty cats.

    And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St.
    And you are 3-8-1 all time against Colorado.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 24, 2012 7:54 p.m.

    The Big 12 has never considered BYu, never will. The cultures are way too opposite.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 25, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    "Utah-Hawaii Alum
    Dallas, TX
    The Big 12 has never considered BYu, never will. The cultures are way too opposite."

    I think you mean the Pac 12. The Big 12 definitely considered BYU (well documented too) but, it seems some combination of media rights / Sunday play changed their course.

    That said, being a church school which will not play on Sunday, I do not see BYU ever being in a power conference save it be a football only membership if it becomes apparent they are unable to crack a the playoff as an independent with an undefeated or one loss record against a tough schedule.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    @NightOwlAmerica "BYU was investigated and penalized for men's volleyball recruiting violations in 2008."

    Yes they were, but we were talking about BASKETBALL and FOOTBALL. BYU isn't perfect, but according CBS Sports they are now the only school to win a national championship in football that has never had their football program investigated or sanctioned by the NCAA.

    I know that's hard for you to swallow, but those are the facts. So again, I don't know why you had such a beef with Solomon Levi's comments since they were spot on.

    Go Cougars!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 25, 2012 2:27 p.m.

    truecoug1 said:

    "@NightOwlAmerica "BYU was investigated and penalized for men's volleyball recruiting violations in 2008."

    Yes they were, but we were talking about BASKETBALL and FOOTBALL. BYU isn't perfect, but according CBS Sports they are now the only school to win a national championship in football that has never had their football program investigated or sanctioned by the NCAA.

    I know that's hard for you to swallow, but those are the facts. So again, I don't know why you had such a beef with Solomon Levi's comments since they were spot on.

    Go Cougars!"

    Yes, go back and read Solomon Levi's comments, since they left out information.
    Way to go! BYU athletics is/was not pure after all. Take the blinders off. They have already and can fall from grace just like any other program in the country. Get over it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 25, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    BYU will play Wisconsin on NOVEMBER 9th 2013. So much for the "can't" schedule anyone good in November utah "fan" lies.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 25, 2012 3:47 p.m.

    Here here duckhunter

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 5:28 p.m.

    Night Owl,

    It seems you are spending much of your time and energy waiting and hoping for the demise of BYU sports. What a waste of energy. That is what I call pure hatred. Word of advice, lose it before it eats you alive.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 25, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    Perhaps you should stick with one avatar Cougars1. I imagine multiple fake identities are hard to manage.
    Its a waste of energy to think your program is perfect. Drop the pride routine already.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 25, 2012 8:25 p.m.

    Cougars1
    Bluffdale, UT
    Night Owl,

    It seems you are spending much of your time and energy waiting and hoping for the demise of BYU sports. What a waste of energy. That is what I call pure hatred. Word of advice, lose it before it eats you alive.

    >>>

    Someone here has issues. Very interesting accusation from a fellow BYU fan.
    Can you prove this by citing references were Owl said that specifically?
    Besides I don't understand why someone would post what you did in the first place.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:18 p.m.

    "Way to go! BYU athletics is/was not pure after all. Take the blinders off. They have already and can fall from grace just like any other program in the country. Get over it."

    wacpaddled and no conf.,

    That is what night owl said. It sounds more like a wish than a statement. And for you to talk about pride is just rich. All we hear from Utah fans on BYU articles is how much better Utah is and how BYU is irrelevant and blah blah blah. No team's fanbase has shown more pride and arrogance in the last year than Utah's. The proof is in the dozens of posts on BYU articles by Utah fans. Or, I should say most Utah fans. There are a few who know how to keep the banter civil; unlike some who can't seem to get over the same tired old drivel they love to post ad naseum. Funny how you can dish it out, but you can't take it.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 9:32 p.m.

    I need to recant and offer an apology to Night Owl. After rereading his post I definitely overreacted. Night Owl is one of the few Utah fans who always adds intelligent comments on these boards and it seems I just misunderstood. Sorry.

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    July 25, 2012 9:42 p.m.

    Looks to me like you are reading into things a little to much Cougars1.
    There are those on your side that say the very same things about Utah. Are you interested in calling them out?

    I went back and read the investigating/sanction related posts. People can't just pick & choose. Football & basketball are under the same athletic department umbrella with all the other sports in every school. Its kind of silly for someone to get all bent out of shape when it was pointed out that a volleyball team was sanctioned and the school penalized. When in fact that is true. Especially when its more than likely that BYU football supports most of the other athletic programs financially anyway. So you see they are tied together in a way. Yet there are those that run around with an "our football program is more pure than yours" mentality.

    Football is not the only thing that exists in this world. Go ahead and call out someone over the use of the word "pride". But your "waste of energy" and "hateful" comments are in the same boat.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    July 25, 2012 11:53 p.m.

    No Conf.,

    I will assume you posted before reading my last post. I agree 100%. You have my apologies.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 26, 2012 12:43 p.m.

    Cougars1 said:

    "I need to recant and offer an apology to Night Owl. After rereading his post I definitely overreacted. Night Owl is one of the few Utah fans who always adds intelligent comments on these boards and it seems I just misunderstood. Sorry."

    Confirmed.
    Peace.