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Published: Thursday, July 19 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "JEA hopes mediation will be more collaborative."

Unlikely.

What this trade union is actually hoping for is more money, better benefits, and less work -- just like EVERY trade union.

This article is an admission JEA is using well-known union strongarm tactics. It shows how out of touch JEA union bosses are with reality and real people.

"Collaborative" and "interest-based" bargaining are recognized trade-union buzzwords for the use of chicanery and intimidation by trained, experienced, sharp-elbowed union negotiators on management officials who are inexperienced in labor negotiations and are less likely to see through union obfuscation and address the real issues.

The district is wise to conduct its negotiations through an experienced broker that understands dangerous and disingenuous union tactics.

EJM
Herriman, UT

@procura: Your comments make it sound like the JEA is comprised of a bunch of strong armed goons who hang out down at the corner bar after work pounding down the cold beverages looking for a fight with anyone. Teacher associations in Utah have more female members than men since we have many more female teachers than male.

With that said, female teachers in Utah (at least at the schools I have worked at) love kids. They like making a difference in the lives of their students. What is wrong with asking for a reduction in class size so that that student that needs a little more attention might get it, rather than fighting for it with 30+ other students? What is wrong with asking for additional dollars for classroom supplies?

I don't know what the sticking points are in the negotiation process. I do know that based on my 27 years of experience in education that the old and the new JSD have rarely had calm negotiations. Granite SD, with it's teachers, has rarely had a contentious negotiation. Trying to find common ground that is fiscally responsible for all parties is the key.

Utah Teacher
Orem, UT

Ignore procura, that axe has a lot of grinding to go....

That being said, I wish I could go in and negotiate my own contract. The local chapter of the UEA that negotiates for me (I don't have a choice and I'm not a member of the UEA), is constantly making moves that are bad for me. They negotiate away what little health benefits we have left. The district post employment retirement benefits are pretty much gone. They negotiate to make my middle school class sizes bigger so that the high school teachers can have two prep periods whereas I only get one (that is all I need). They negotiate to take away my paid days before school starts so someone at the district office can keep their cushy job.

Let me negotiate my own contract!

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Ignore procura . . . ."

If you like.

But be sure and read Utah Teacher's post. It makes every one of my points.

jotab
Salt Lake City, UT

Utah Teacher, you say you are not a member, maybe you should join and then you would have a voice in what they association does. Sitting on the outside and casting stones, rarely is useful. Get in and trying working for some change.

Pray tell, what strong arm tactics are being employed by JEA? All they are asking to do is to sit down and collaborate with the district instead of working through an outside attorney. An attorney with no educational background at that.

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