Published: Monday, July 16 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT
Consider that the big banks make big profits by borrowing from the Federal
Reserve at near zero rates, then lend to the public at considerably higher
rates, and buy Federal Debt at rates of 6 and 7% paidt to they, the banks.
Given this massive giveaway to banking I thinkt there is plenty of wealth in big
capital to fix healthhcare.
"Let us direct our attention to improving our health care system by
innovation, education and self-reliance."That's just empty
right wing blather.35 million Americans have no health insurance.
Would we be more "self-reliant" if that number rose to 50 million? If I
took away your health insurance would you celebrate your newly-increased
"self-reliance?"How "innovative" can you be when
your insurance company cancels your policy upon learning that you have a serious
illness?When asked about how they feel about the individual elements
of the Affordable Care Act, i.e. keeping your kids on your insurance until
they're 26, ending lifetime coverage ceilings, ending denial of insurance
for pre-existing conditions, etc., Americans overwhelmingly express support.
Only when the label "Obamacare" is applied do they say they don't
like it. Mr. Westover, instead of fatuous calls for
"self-reliance," how about if you and your fellow conservatives start
offering a practical, comprehensive, workable solution to the health insurance
disaster to which you're so eager to return?
We will eventually discover that what some have called "compassion for the
poor" was really nothing more than perpetuating irresponsibility.
Unless the government seizes the assets of banks and of the "rich guy",
every dollar that the government spends comes from your wallet and my wallet.
Obamacare is the biggest TAX ever levied against the American people. It is a
TAX, pure and simple. It is NOT free.An honest man would tell us
the costs associated with his program, but Obama is flying around the country
pretending that he is the President of a nation of fools.Every
health care service costs money. If it comes through the government, it costs
even more because the government workers must be paid on top of the health care
providers.Obamacare is just another money grab. This time it's
for 18% of the GDP. The 15% that they take from our wages for Social Security
and Medicare pales in comparison.There are problems with health
care, but the Constitution does not authorize the federal government to handle
those problems. Health care is an issue for the STATES to handle.Call the STATE Insurance Commissioner and complain if you want changes in
Every person who claims that healthcare is a right should be condemned. No one
has a right to any medical service unless he is willing to earn the money to pay
for it himself.America is suffering through an epidemic of crime,
addiction, and immorality. Every one of these social ills has its roots in
laziness and idleness. The lazy and idle population has been created directly
from government entitlement programs. Adding healthcare to the entitlement list
will magnify the problem tenfold.As a nation, we can no longer
pretend that the government can provide for every want and need of every
citizen. We must return to the Founding principle that a man must work for his
bread, and if he will not work, he will not eat.
I don't think Obamacare prevents innovation, doesn't touch education,
and certainly helps people to become more responsible (or else they'll pay
a fine!).We're already paying for these folks via premiums, ER
costs, and bankruptcies. Might as well create a mandate for them to get
insurance and prevent greedy insurance companies from denying/dropping folks
because of pre-conditions. I support Obamacare because it is a step
in the right direction. I hope that one day we'll just get rid of the
senseless middle-man and go into a single-payer system like most of the advanced
industrialized world. I also support Obamacare because it's at
least an attempt at addressing the issue. Repubs haven't made any
suggestions or plans. They merely say "No!" Until repubs
come up with a realistic plan (rather than right wing mantra) I'll support
Obamacare. And sorry folks, tort reform and passing everything over to the
states isn't a real plan.
It was printed in this paper just yesterday that BILLIONS have now been
squandered in Iraq and cannot be accounted for.It's interesting
to me that we have billions to hand out to Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc without
any accountability, we have billions to support our 400+ bases around the world,
we continue to waste millions on jets that the military doesn't even want
(but which politicians demand because it means jobs for their states) and yet we
cannot afford "health care" in our own country.While our
country's infrastructure, education, and health care systems rot, our
country can continue to hand out money in worthless wars, overgrown bases, and
lazy jet plane manufacturers. While our people suffer with the
nation's debt in a horrible economy, we continue to pledge billions to Iraq
to "prop up theirs" despite their country being on top one of the
greatest oil reserves in the world.We're being taken for
idiots. Yet, who's stopping them? Certainly not the
right, who is not only permitting this fleeching of America, but encouraging it!
When will our government stop building up others and concentrate on
us? Lets build up America.
"America is suffering through an epidemic of crime, addiction, and
immorality."It would be hard to quantify how these are our
greatest challenges. I find it ironic that people have no problem
spending trillions of dollars to "liberate the Iraqi people" but want to
cut services to our poor.Again, Again Again I ask those so opposed
to Obamacare to propose an alternative.And the silence remains
So I ask is it ok with Republicans that when considering the 17 wealthist
nations America ranks dead last in general health condition, dead last in life
expectency, dead last in pre-mature mortality,and anywhere from dead last to
13th and 14th when considering deaths from specific illnesses. Oh yea..we rank
second in self reported health condition. This is not a system with "some
problems" this is a system that doesn't work. One of the reasons we
got here, 10% or so of the population buy health insurance on their own
(reasonable to think because of costs it's primarily major medical), and
around 15% don't have any insurance. So probably around 25% of our
population doesn't have regular access to health care until it's 1)
too late and 2)enormously expnensive. This is not a problem states
acting independently can solve, they never have. It's a national problem
and will take a national solution. Or stop the constitutional mumbo jumbo and
just man up and say it's ok for for some to live and others to die based on
employment, occupational choices, and station in life.
Don't like Obamacare? No problem. But please do not talk about personal
responsibility like that is what we had prior. How can anyone claim personal
responsibility unless they are either properly insured or have a minimum of
about $250,000 in a health care escrow?Anyone claiming that they can
take care of their own healthcare is naive. You may look and be healthy -
today. Tomorrow you may have a stroke, heart attack, or one of any number of
illnesses that will change your health future dramatically and permanently. And
yes, this happens to the young. Many cases of bipolar disorder are diagnosed in
young, otherwise healthy adults.Without good insurance or
significant wealth, such illnesses can bankrupt you and put your family firmly
into poverty.Anyone who goes without insurance is playing roulette
with other people's money. Hoping/betting that they will not get sick.
But if they do, they will present themselves to the local hospital as a charity
case (once their money runs out) and then be dependent on either the taxpayers
or other hospital clients to bail them out (because the money to help them does
not drop from the sky).
@John "Charity" Spring"Every person who claims that
healthcare is a right should be condemned. No one has a right to any medical
service unless he is willing to earn the money to pay for it himself."I'll tell that to my cancer-stricken brother who lost his insurance
when his company was restructured. He has now exhausted his savings, even
cashing in his retirement savings. I guess he can just die since he can no
longer afford the very expensive cancer treatments. I hope Mitt
Romney wins in November. I'll give him the same courtesy and patience that
the conservatives have given President Obama to get the country turned around.
I expect that by the end of his four years a new health care plan is in place,
and the economy is running at 100%, unemployment is 2% and gas is under $1.50
I just read elsewhere in this newspaper about a young woman with melanoma who is
struggling to pay $4000 a month for treatment AFTER insurance. Sick and
disabled, she is trying to make up the difference by begging the public for
help. Nowhere in the civilized world but in the USA are ordinary people reduced
to begging when they become desperately ill. It's an absolute travesty, and
the writer of this letter along with all "conservatives" have no
response but "self reliance," which is just code for "it's your
My son and his wife are provident people. They pay their bills, they both are
employed, they are not extravagant in lifestyle. Right now, my son is in
graduate school, getting training that will help him rise in his chosen
profession. Grad school is expensive. They both worked while my
son's wife earned her graduate degree, and now they're both working so
that he can finish his. They have not incurred much debt. But this one year,
they decided they simply could not afford health insurance. They've had it
in the past, but the premiums went up past the point where they could afford it.
So they crossed their fingers, just for this one year.The other night, my
son's wife became very seriously ill. They delayed going to the hospital
as long as they felt they could. Finally, they could wait no longer. That
one trip to the emergency room is going to cost every nickel my son will earn
with his assistantship this fall.They'll pay it back. We'll
help too. But this is wrong. And all these calls for 'self-reliance'
and 'innovation' and 'market solutions' are empty headed
Pre-emptive airstrikes and casting the sick aside to die in the gutter. The
qualifications for "Christian Nation" must be pretty low.
Twin lights, CHS 85 and Irony guy have each, in their own way, highlighted the
main problems with healthcare in this country. Who should address the issue? The
private sector or public sector? Where does the concept of personal
responsibility come into play when 35% of our nation is said to be obese? Is
obesity genetic or are we fast becoming a lazy,feed our faces nation? What about
pre-existing conditions? Should there be caps on the amounts insurance companies
pay for treatment? Should hospitals be allowed to turn away people who
can't pay? With every answer possible, with both the yes and no
positions, people will say "you are discriminating against" this group
or that group. Not one leader wants to offend anyone, and I do mean anyone. Even
though I disagree with some of the postings on here, such as John Charity
Spring, at least HE is willing to be up front about a point of view. I only wish
our politicians on both sides of the aisle would step up with more concrete
proposals as to addressing the health care issue in our country.
Re: "Given this massive giveaway to banking I thinkt [sic] there is plenty
of wealth in big capital to fix healthhcare."Therein lies the
problem.All leftists insist there's plenty of money to go
around, since leftist fatcats have learned how to game the system.This leftist crony captitalism is nearly as ruinous as the welfare entitlement
mentality being peddled by leftist pols.But one ruinous leftist
scheme does not justify another.
@EJMI'll give you my take and an actual opinion, rather than
another anecdote.I lived under a government-run healthcare system
for 20 years in the US military. The doctors I saw were government employees,
as were the nurses, orderlies, receptionists, etc. When I had my knee operated
on, it was in a government-run hospital on an Army base. The care I received
was excellent. The government can run healthcare effectively. The
military and VA have excellent heath care professionals as well as excellent
facilities. VA medical system has overhead costs also hovering around 3% and is
generally regarded as providing excellent medical coverage for those eligible.
I believe with American ingenuity, we can come up with a health care
system that both shows compassion and meets the needs of everyone, rich or poor.
When I was "subjected" to government-run health care, what I saw was
excellence, pride, and efficiency. It is time to move that direction for all
To "pragmatistferlife" have you even read the criteria that is used by
the international community to rank healthcare system?How can the US
rank dead last when they have the highest life expectancy, when accidental death
is factored out. For most cancers the US has the highest survival rates. For
response time between diagnosis and treatment, the US is the best.Tell us, it what ways does the US rank so low? From what I have seen and
read, the US only ranks so low because we don't have universal care, that
is it.To "CHS 85" would you rather have a government person
tell your brother and his family that he can't get any more cancer
treatment? From England's Telegraph we read "Lung cancer victims
denied lifesaving scans" Does death due to lack of funding become easier
when it is somebody elses money?To "Irony Guy" what about
the women in England who were forced to give birth in offices, bathrooms,
elevators, and other locations around a hospital? Is it more civilized to give
poor treatment to people because the public coffers can't afford any
I find it hilarious that repubs rant about the cost of a single payer system...
They're completely oblivious to our own system. Isn't our
"free market" driven system a lot more expensive than the single payer
system and not nearly as effective? Or is having the highest costs
while not insuring everyone and while being denied/dropped coverage not evidence
enough that our system is failing? When will repubs finally admit
that their precious free market system has failed? When 100 million Americans
are uninsured? When we spend 10 times as much as the next country in health care
spending?Guess I shouldn't expect much from the same group of
people who believe that Iraq has WMDs, deny man made global warming, claim that
trickle down economics work, and believe that our President was born in Kenya.
Okay, here's my challenge:Fact: health care is very expensive.
Diagnostic tests, medications, surgery; all very expensive. Ruinously so for
low and middle-income families. People who get good insurance through their
jobs can afford to get sick. People who don't generally can neither afford
to purchase it, or to go without. That reality is not in dispute.So for
those of you who oppose Obamacare, what is your solution? What practical, real
world solution do you offer? No ideology or abstractions. Forget catch
phrases like 'self-reliance and innovation.' Forget scare-mongering
tactics, holding up the irrelevant bogeyman of 'socialized medicine.'
What is your answer? What do you propose that will allow low and middle-income
families to thrive? Because in America, when it's three in the
morning and a baby is really sick, and families have to weigh two utterly
irresponsible choices, either adding debt to a family barely making ends meet,
or not treating a dangerously ill child, when that happens routinely, daily, in
the richest country in the history of the world, that's not okay. That is
not what it means to be an American.
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