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Published: Saturday, July 14 2012 8:14 p.m. MDT

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CA. reader
Rocklin, CA

It boils down to this: if Utah somehow manages to win the PAC 10.2 in the same year that they lose to BYU...it doesn't look good for Utah or their BCS buddies.

That said, I believe that if Coach Whittingham can leverage Utah's PAC 10.2 membership into some better recruiting, those other supposed better coached in the PAC 10.2 will regret letting those Wasatch interlopers into their league.

LVIS
Salt Lake City, UT

I got on here a little late, but:

Who am I sir?
Cottonwood Heights, UT
In your dreams, cougars. In 2014 we play...our in-state rival Utah State.

Seriously? Your 'in-state rival'? I have to admit, I've laughed at few Ute posts, but this one takes the cake! Your 'in-state rival'. Good one.

gdog3finally
West Jordan, Utah

@Duckhunter

Really? Texas, Notre Dame and Boise State. You think that is a super hard schedule? The Cougars have half their schedule as automatic tune ups and R & R vacations.

Boise State is now in the post Kellen Moore era mind you. Don't get me wrong, I like BYU scheduling them and the other quality opponents they could work on the schedule. That said, you don't see the independent struggle to fill a legit schedule outside 5 or 6 games a year?

And then why feel the need to LOL again. Is everything a Ute fan posts that funny to you. I guess we are all comedians. Either that or you think it fun to mock us all, only I find the whole LOL thing way to much of a crutch for you . I took my shot. Now by all means keep entertaining yourself.

I had to reply here. As of late, your comments have been much more balanced. Today it seems you might be on the Kool Aid again though.

Seminolebob
JACKSONVILLE, FL

cmbennett1
OGDEN, UT
Let either one of them play a regular SEC schedule and see how good they are.

>>>>

There is plenty of garbage in the SEC. The conference is overrated. 2 or 3 teams are very good each year. The rest are not.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Duckhunter,

"Beating arizona, oregon st, washington st, colorado, arizona st, ucla and northern colorado will do nothing to move utah up the rankings."

That's a fair statement. Now add BYU to that same list. BYU does nothing to move Utah up or down the rankings JUST LIKE THE LIST ABOVE. Meaning it's a no win situation for Utah to schedule them if they can get a team like Michigan to play instead.

If Utah didn't already have the 6 BYU's you mentioned plus 3-5 tougher opponents any given year, then it would make more sense to make the game happen.

But as it stands Chris Hill is absolutely right to be looking for at least one tuneup game per season (Northern Colorado) and is brave to take on another quality opponent such as BYU or Michigan while filling the last spot with either a recruiting game or USU that Utah should beat 8-9 times out of 10.

Magic Man
Draper, UT

As a Ute fan and booster. I will be disappointed if Utah continues to play BYU home and home. With the Utes in the Pac 12, Utah has a competitive advantage in recruiting. By not playing the game at all or going the two for one scenario will continue to make Utah look more attractive to the handful of recruits the Utes and Cougs go head to head with each year. It may also help the Utes with high profile LDS kids who are from outside the state who have more often choosen the Y or another Pac 12 school. In my opinion, the only apology needed from Chris Hill is to Ute fans if he continues to schedule home and home with BYU. The Utes should leverage the competitive advantage.

Old ball coach
Sandy, UT

Are you telling me Hatu is going to dodge their in state rival....like they dodged Boise for the last 5 years? Why did the PAC 10 invited this team....the PAC 10 never dodges teams....that is the SEC! We should have taken Boise or Nevada instead of the Setu from Utah!

Go Trojans!

rj
Moss, Norway

I think Dr. Hill is dealing with perceptions and speculation here, not unlike the stock market. I think he's weighing risks and potential rewards by judging BYU based on the national perception of the program. Is he risking losing to an undervalued opponent? Or does he see BYU as a heavyweight on par with the Pac-12 and doesn't need a schedule that's so top-heavy? If you look at the big picture, he has little to gain by beating BYU, and much to lose if he loses to them.
National pundits collectively give BYU mixed reviews on the quality of the program. For some teams, they're considered a difficult opponent. For others they're considered weak. Why does Chris Hill need that kind of uncertainty fouling up his otherwise clear-cut schedule? It's actually a very rational decision.
Don't get me wrong, I'm a BYU fan who would like nothing more than to pound Utah into the turf. But you can't fault Dr. Hill for thinking with his head rather than his heart on this matter.

PAC man
Anaheim, CA

motorbike

Utah didn't move up the rankings because the Utes LOST to ASU, Cal, Wash, USC. and

10-loss COLORADO.

It doesn't matter who you beat if you LOSE to a 10-loss team at home with the division title there for the taking!

There is no trophy for having the best SOS. You still have to beat the dogs on your schedule for SOS to mean something.

Qwest Perfected
Salt Lake City, UT

@pacman

Quality of opponent is always factored into the rankings equation. How else could you explain that with 10 wins byu only wound up in 1 out of the 3 major top 25 polls.

I don't know why these discussions always end up in the same argument with people trying to prove which program is better by radom statistics etc.

I like to watch the head to head game play out and let them decide who is the better team on the field. Of course you have to be pretty creative to discount the 54 - 10 beat down of last year and then try to divert attention elsewhere.

Did byu get better the end of last season or were they just playing lower quality of opponents? You're in complete denial to think you played a good team in November.

We will find out soon enough which team is better this year.

Go Utes!

patriot
Cedar Hills, UT

If the Y were in the BIG 12 the Utah BYU game would be back on - every year. This is a no brainer.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@Qwest Perfected,

Well put. 10 wins earning a #25 ranking in one poll - because USC was on probation - pretty much sums up the difference in SOS between BYU and Utah.

Grillmaster21
Springville, UT

Above all the rhetoric, Alls I read was "It's not easy being so self-absorbed in our own self-righteous, and self-promoted success that when we lose to BYU, AND lose to a BETTER Michigan team, we'll be RIGHT where we started as the Marginal PAC-12 team that we're oh, so fortunate to be a pert of."

Spare me. "Really good Programs" aren't in the lower-middle of their marginal divisions. The Ute Arrogance is and always will be their down fall. It's just really fun to see them finally realize it themselves - NOW.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

qwest for 2nd place/motorbike

#25 Coaches / #26 AP versus "not getting a single vote in either poll"

is the difference between 3 losses and 5 losses, despite your SOS.

This will probably come as a shock to some SOS-obsessed Utah fans, but U don't get any credit for LOSING to bad teams, even if they are ranked a little higher than the bad teams BYU BEAT.

Go Utes
Salt Lake City, UT

Dr. Hill,

This Ute season-ticket-holder is very disappointed. This game is a Utah tradition. I understand the reasons you have given, but they are not good enough. The big conferences and money are taking the fun out of college football. Many other rivalries continue around the country, despite lack of conference affiliation: Florida Florida State, Georgia Georgia Tech, etc. We could make it work, but you choose not to. Don't end a long-standing tradition to just play a couple of games against a big opponent. That is short-sited. I know you think I am being short-sited, but in my view, the fans and the players want to play the Utah/BYU game. If you are right, then perhaps we will all come around and agree with you in a few years. Please, let's just play the game.

Mr. Moots
Salt Lake City, UT

This whole thing is about one guy who is trying to make sure he survives as head coach. It is easier to get a win out of San Jose State than BYU. His job is on the line every year and the easy decision is to not play BYU.

How is that good for Football? To let one guy decide what the schedule is and throw out 100 yr tradition? Lame!!!!

It is a State school. WE are the ones paying this guy.

Time to do the right thing and man up!

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