This whole thing is about one guy who is trying to make sure he survives as head
coach. It is easier to get a win out of San Jose State than BYU. His job is on
the line every year and the easy decision is to not play BYU.How is
that good for Football? To let one guy decide what the schedule is and throw
out 100 yr tradition? Lame!!!!It is a State school. WE are the
ones paying this guy. Time to do the right thing and man up!
Dr. Hill,This Ute season-ticket-holder is very disappointed. This
game is a Utah tradition. I understand the reasons you have given, but they are
not good enough. The big conferences and money are taking the fun out of
college football. Many other rivalries continue around the country, despite
lack of conference affiliation: Florida Florida State, Georgia Georgia Tech,
etc. We could make it work, but you choose not to. Don't end a
long-standing tradition to just play a couple of games against a big opponent.
That is short-sited. I know you think I am being short-sited, but in my view,
the fans and the players want to play the Utah/BYU game. If you are right, then
perhaps we will all come around and agree with you in a few years. Please,
let's just play the game.
qwest for 2nd place/motorbike#25 Coaches / #26 AP versus "not
getting a single vote in either poll"is the difference between 3
losses and 5 losses, despite your SOS.This will probably come as a
shock to some SOS-obsessed Utah fans, but U don't get any credit for LOSING
to bad teams, even if they are ranked a little higher than the bad teams BYU
Above all the rhetoric, Alls I read was "It's not easy being so
self-absorbed in our own self-righteous, and self-promoted success that when we
lose to BYU, AND lose to a BETTER Michigan team, we'll be RIGHT where we
started as the Marginal PAC-12 team that we're oh, so fortunate to be a
pert of."Spare me. "Really good Programs" aren't
in the lower-middle of their marginal divisions. The Ute Arrogance is and
always will be their down fall. It's just really fun to see them finally
realize it themselves - NOW.
@Qwest Perfected,Well put. 10 wins earning a #25 ranking in one poll
- because USC was on probation - pretty much sums up the difference in SOS
between BYU and Utah.
If the Y were in the BIG 12 the Utah BYU game would be back on - every year.
This is a no brainer.
@pacmanQuality of opponent is always factored into the rankings
equation. How else could you explain that with 10 wins byu only wound up in 1
out of the 3 major top 25 polls.I don't know why these
discussions always end up in the same argument with people trying to prove which
program is better by radom statistics etc. I like to watch the head
to head game play out and let them decide who is the better team on the field.
Of course you have to be pretty creative to discount the 54 - 10 beat down of
last year and then try to divert attention elsewhere.Did byu get
better the end of last season or were they just playing lower quality of
opponents? You're in complete denial to think you played a good team in
November.We will find out soon enough which team is better this
motorbikeUtah didn't move up the rankings because the Utes LOST
to ASU, Cal, Wash, USC. and10-loss COLORADO.It
doesn't matter who you beat if you LOSE to a 10-loss team at home with the
division title there for the taking!There is no trophy for having
the best SOS. You still have to beat the dogs on your schedule for SOS to mean
I think Dr. Hill is dealing with perceptions and speculation here, not unlike
the stock market. I think he's weighing risks and potential rewards by
judging BYU based on the national perception of the program. Is he risking
losing to an undervalued opponent? Or does he see BYU as a heavyweight on par
with the Pac-12 and doesn't need a schedule that's so top-heavy? If
you look at the big picture, he has little to gain by beating BYU, and much to
lose if he loses to them. National pundits collectively give BYU mixed
reviews on the quality of the program. For some teams, they're considered a
difficult opponent. For others they're considered weak. Why does Chris Hill
need that kind of uncertainty fouling up his otherwise clear-cut schedule?
It's actually a very rational decision.Don't get me wrong,
I'm a BYU fan who would like nothing more than to pound Utah into the turf.
But you can't fault Dr. Hill for thinking with his head rather than his
heart on this matter.
Are you telling me Hatu is going to dodge their in state rival....like they
dodged Boise for the last 5 years? Why did the PAC 10 invited this team....the
PAC 10 never dodges teams....that is the SEC! We should have taken Boise or
Nevada instead of the Setu from Utah!Go Trojans!
As a Ute fan and booster. I will be disappointed if Utah continues to play BYU
home and home. With the Utes in the Pac 12, Utah has a competitive advantage in
recruiting. By not playing the game at all or going the two for one scenario
will continue to make Utah look more attractive to the handful of recruits the
Utes and Cougs go head to head with each year. It may also help the Utes with
high profile LDS kids who are from outside the state who have more often choosen
the Y or another Pac 12 school. In my opinion, the only apology needed from
Chris Hill is to Ute fans if he continues to schedule home and home with BYU.
The Utes should leverage the competitive advantage.
@Duckhunter,"Beating arizona, oregon st, washington st,
colorado, arizona st, ucla and northern colorado will do nothing to move utah up
the rankings."That's a fair statement. Now add BYU to that
same list. BYU does nothing to move Utah up or down the rankings JUST LIKE THE
LIST ABOVE. Meaning it's a no win situation for Utah to schedule them if
they can get a team like Michigan to play instead. If Utah
didn't already have the 6 BYU's you mentioned plus 3-5 tougher
opponents any given year, then it would make more sense to make the game
happen.But as it stands Chris Hill is absolutely right to be looking
for at least one tuneup game per season (Northern Colorado) and is brave to take
on another quality opponent such as BYU or Michigan while filling the last spot
with either a recruiting game or USU that Utah should beat 8-9 times out of 10.
cmbennett1OGDEN, UTLet either one of them play a regular SEC
schedule and see how good they are.>>>>There is plenty of garbage in the SEC. The conference is overrated. 2 or 3
teams are very good each year. The rest are not.
@DuckhunterReally? Texas, Notre Dame and Boise State. You think that
is a super hard schedule? The Cougars have half their schedule as automatic tune
ups and R & R vacations.Boise State is now in the post Kellen
Moore era mind you. Don't get me wrong, I like BYU scheduling them and the
other quality opponents they could work on the schedule. That said, you
don't see the independent struggle to fill a legit schedule outside 5 or 6
games a year?And then why feel the need to LOL again. Is everything
a Ute fan posts that funny to you. I guess we are all comedians. Either that or
you think it fun to mock us all, only I find the whole LOL thing way to much of
a crutch for you . I took my shot. Now by all means keep entertaining yourself.
I had to reply here. As of late, your comments have been much more
balanced. Today it seems you might be on the Kool Aid again though.
I got on here a little late, but:Who am I sir?Cottonwood
Heights, UTIn your dreams, cougars. In 2014 we play...our in-state rival
Utah State. Seriously? Your 'in-state rival'? I have to
admit, I've laughed at few Ute posts, but this one takes the cake! Your
'in-state rival'. Good one.
It boils down to this: if Utah somehow manages to win the PAC 10.2 in the same
year that they lose to BYU...it doesn't look good for Utah or their BCS
buddies. That said, I believe that if Coach Whittingham can leverage
Utah's PAC 10.2 membership into some better recruiting, those other
supposed better coached in the PAC 10.2 will regret letting those Wasatch
interlopers into their league.
I wouldn't mind if the Utes continued to schedule teams other than the team
down south. I like watching the Utes play other teams in different stadiums more
than I enjoy watching the same old WAC/Mtn. West teams we played in the past. I
think the rivalry has run it's course, fans deserve more home games, so go
get 2 for 1 arrangements where we can Chris.Go Utes!!!
The USC - Notre Dame rivalry is set in stone every year. It's about as big
a game as the USC - UCLA game no matter how well each school has done
comparatively in recent years. The BYU - UTAH rivalry should be honored easily
as much. Incredible to me that Hill doesn't see it that way. You
don't mess with tradition like that.
@duckhunterOf all the posters, here, I am most amused with your
continual pro-"byu", anti-Utah posts. At 6:13 P.M. you posted "BYU
plays Texas, Notre Dame and Boise St (and Utah) next year." Why
stop there? As I look at the schedule, besides these four good games (Boise
will be down, though), "byu" plays the following: Weber State, Hawaii,
Utah State, Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. Sounds
like a match made in WAC heaven.
Let either one of them play a regular SEC schedule and see how good they are.
There are many people in the country who believe Utah schools don't play
good football. Time for BYU and Utah to part their ways and prove them wrong.
Wins over Oklahoma and Alabama was impressive.
@the deuceFail on your part.No one plays all great teams
so how is it that they "move up the rankings" by beating those other 8
teams? You move uyp the rankings by winning whoever you play and if you play a
few really good teams along the way you will probably move up just a little bit
more.Beating arizona, oregon st, washington st, colorado, arizona
st, ucla and northern colorado will do nothing to "move utah up the
rankings" by your illogic. That's if utah actually wins those games.
Beating utah won't give anyone that much of a boost either other than it is
just another win. No one plays a schedule of nothing but top 25
teams, no one. Not even close. So how do they "move up the rankings"
when they probably only play 4 ranked teams?LOL!
@gdogBYU plays Texas, Notre Dame and Boise St next year. Every bit
as good as what you want to claim for utah. At least try to not look at things
through the crimson shades you wear.LOL!
Utah put the rivalry on hold for two years to make room for a home and home with
Michigan. That was a great move and I can't wait to see Michigan come to
Rice Eccles.For all of you coug fans whining about this, have you
forgotten that the y has done this a few times to Utah State when you were going
to play Notre Dame. Why was it ok then? Have you also forgot how Bronco down
played the rivalry when the cougs announced their independence? At the time, he
showed very little concern if the rivalry continued.Now that byu has
realized how hard it is to put together a good schedule, they complain about the
game being put on hold for a couple of years. We all know that the cougs would
have done the exact same thing if they were in the same position.I
along with most Ute fans, would love to see the rivalry continue. It was weird
enough last year to not have the game in November, however with only 3 non
conference games, they had to take the opportunity to play a home and home with
To: phoenix Gilbert, AZ: BYU's 2012 schedule is dismal.You have correctly
pointed out 4 games that mean something. The remaining 8 are worthless for
rankings or moving up the charts. If you are telling is that the following 4
games makes a schedule, I will agree that this looks good.2012
includesat Utahat Boise Stateat Notre Dameat Georgia
TechWhy didn't you show the remaining schedule? By the way, I
am not a Ute fan not a BYU fan. I follow college football. I hope that I bring a
voice of reason and reality to a discussion that seems to be filled with fans
with poor understanding of the situation that BYU has put themsleves in to. BYU
was once a great program and I for one would like to see them return to this
status. They need a new AD and a new coach along with a new direction towards a
A couple thoughts:1. I remember when AZ and ASU joined the Pac 8 in 1978
(after a couple of ASU football undefeated but non-#1 seasons, similar to
Utah's). AZ and ASU have been low level most of the time since. Non-BCS
BYU won a NC and Utah has been to two BCS games. 2. When USC or ND has
a down year it can be "salvaged" by beating one's primary rival,
each other. ND is independent and USC is Pac 12 but they are main rivals, point
being not in the same league. BYU and UT now won't have that opportunity
for at least a couple of years. BYU won 10 games again last year with a painful
loss to Utah. What would Utah have had without their win over BYU? 3. I honestly exptect BYU will be just fine down the line while Utah will
struggle for awhile, although I hope both do very well. I hope BYU will not
refuse to play Utah when the tables are turned via Big 12, undefeated seasons,
whatever. 3. I still hate the BCS.
I dont have a dog in the fight. The Utah AD sounds like he is looking after his
program. He cannot have football and basketball at the bottom of the well. As
others have said its not Hill's job to look out for BYU. BYU fans should
accept it and move forward. Afterall the Aggies are no longer a automatic win
and we all know the great and mighty BYU- Utah fan would lose face if the lowly
Aggies end up the best college football team in Utah.
Its a sad fact, but the fact of the matter is that if Utah plays BYU, and beats
them, it really wont make a difference as to how they are looked at by other
teams and other conferences. BYU is a potentially good team, but them being an
independent team, who hasnt made a name for themselves yet, wont really show
that Utah is a good team if they beat them. I know that they dont have super
duper hard teams lined up, but as of right now, BYU hasnt had enough time to
establish a name for themselves. Utah needs to play big time teams, who will
help them gain respect by winning. We need to realize, that once you get into
the bigger leagues (pac 12 for example) that traditions and fans opinions matter
less and less. The schools start to worry more about having a big name, having
big tv deals, and other things. Utah playing BYU ultimately wont help there
imagine in any way shape or form. I really do love the rivalry, but until BYU
gets a set name or Utah gets more coverage, it just wont happen.
Uteanymous,My intent was not to brag about Utah's recruiting,
but to point out that: 1. Recruiting rankings in July don't mean nearly
as much as they do on signing day. 2. BYU and Utah have different recruiting
chronologies. 3. Utah had recruited better than BYU over the last 5 years.Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything
about the caliber of talent in the Pac 12 in my recent post. But since you
brought it up, you're right - playing in the Pac 12 will be very
challenging for the Utes. There is more talent in the conference.As
you know, there's more to building a quality program than just signing
highly sought after recruits. That is what has allowed our programs to beat
more athletic teams in the past. Here's one Ute fan that hopes that Utah
can continue to get a lot out of their players, and become one of the better
teams in their new conference.And I wish the Cougars luck, but hope
the Utes beat them in September and in 2016!
trueblue87 bragged "I just looked at the 2013 recruiting class on rivals.com
and BYU is ranked 41 while Utah is ranked a dismal 70."I'm
sure you looked at 2012 as well. This time last year, BYU's 2012 class was
ranked #38, because BYU does their recruiting earlier than other programs. At
the end of the day, Utah ended up at #28 and BYU faded to #61.Be
excited about #38. It's all downhill from here until signing day.
Utah'95It's truly amazing how incredibly shortsighted so
many fans are when it comes to predicting future competitiveness based strictly
on recruiting class rankings.Utah fans beat their chests about
having slightly better recruiting classes than BYU, then pretend that the
MASSIVELY better recruiting classes of the PAC 12 teams Utah is now competing
against are realitively insignificant.Based strictly on recruiting
class rankings, Utah will NEVER have a chance of beating USC, so why even play
the games?Here are ESPN's Top 25 Recruiting Class Rankings for
the last 8 years:2013#6 USC#21 Wash#24 Stan#25 Ore2012#12 Stan#13 USC#18 Ore#19
UCLA#22 Cal#23 Wash2011#4 USC#14 Ore#18 Cal#21 Stan#24 Wash2010#7 USC#10
UCLA#15 Cal#18 Stan#20 Wash#22 Ore2009#4 USC#17 UCLA 2008#7 USC#14 UCLA#17
ASU#24 Colo2007#1 USC#23 Ore2006#2 USC#19 UCLACongratulations!Utah joins
Arizona, Washington State, and Oregon State as the four conference
bottom-dwellers who haven't had a single Top 25 recruiting class during
Kyle's tenure at Utah.
Dr. Hill, you doing a fantastic job. You don't have to apologize for
anything or anyone for suspending the rivalry. Keep up the good work!
Who am I sir?Sagarin's final rankings had Utah's SOS 49th
and BYU's SOS 90th.Unfortunately for U, Sagarin's Final
Rankings take into account the entire season, not just one gameBYU
#34Utah #39Utah's best win was #34 BYUBYU's
best win was #35 TulsaUtah's worst loss was #107 ColoradoBYU's worst loss was #39 Utah
trueblue87,Unfortunately for BYU fans, the strength of a
school's recruiting class isn't based on who has signed through
July.BYU historically signs a larger percentage of their recruits
early, while Utah signs the majority of its recruits late in the process.According to the Rivals, Scout, and ESPN, Utah has won the recruiting
battle with BYU over the last 5 years, particularly in the last 3 years.I recommend that you wait until signing day before bragging about
BYU's recruiting class. You may be counting chickens before they hatch.
GoRedWEST VALLEY CITY, UTAm I wrong? Isn't the problem
with BYU joining one of these programs that they won't play on Sunday?I hate to see it go. I'm a fan of both teams unless they play each
other. Then I cheer for one, oh yes it is the same one every year and my
household is completely divided.
I agree and support the decision made by Dr. Hill. The schedule next year (all
in state teams for OOC games) is not going to help us recruit and needs to be a
one time event.There are a few Ute fans that have been vocal about not
liking this decision but the overall commentary is heavily supporting his
decision. There are a number of Y fans that make some pretty amusing
posts showing their jealousy. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but
your lack of class, jealousy of Utah controlling this decision, and hatred to
your rival is very apparent.
@ jenny83 I just looked at the 2013 recruiting class on rivals.com
and BYU is ranked 41 while Utah is ranked a dismal 70. can't keep winning
if you don't reload.
@SportsFanI agree with you to a point. The schedule you provided
for 2013 does have some very respectable teams and I look forward to sollowing
the Y performance. But you have to admit it's an incredibly light schedule
- 8 games!! That's a lot of BYES or are you hidding something?I also owe you an appology. You said, "... look no further than
BYU('s) 2013 schedule. Well, unfortunately I did to BYU's 2014 and
2015 schedules. Without going into detail the 8 game schedule you listed for
2013 is significantly more difficult than the 5-6 games scheduled for 2014 or
2015. (With 2 or 3 major opponents.) Finally, your comment,
"..how pathetically weak Utah's schedule has turned out to be in
Utah's first two years in the PAC 12." Utah's 2011 schedule was
rated 33rd toughest bY Phil Steele while BYU's was rated 95th. (These were
preseason ranking - end of season probably differed somewhat.) The gap has
narrowed in 2012 to Utah 63rd and BYU 81. In '83. You've identified
the Y's major opponents - Utah's USC, Oregon, Stanford,Washington and
in '2014 add Michigan - a top 10 calibre schedule!
@phoenixWhat gets me is the amount of people bringing up the Colorado
game. I get it. The U lost. I guess I understand the need to piggyback on other
teams when your team can't get it done against the U. BYU fans were TCU
fans in 2010 because they couldn't get it done then. BYU fans are Colorado
fans now because they couldn't get it done this year either. Keep telling
yourself that the PAC is the weakest BCS conference. We all know BYU would jump
at the chance to join. Or course you need to be invited first but that's an
entirely different story.
I hope Utah knows what it is doing. Replacing BYU means scheduling a team that
plays all 4 quarters. They've had a sweet deal with 11.75 regular season
For greater exposure, theses teams need to get away from each other. Cris Hill
has got it right.
I am not a sports fan and am not emotionally invested in the BYU .. U of U
revilary. That said, may I remind the U of U coach that football doesn't
exist in a vacuum. It's value exists because people enjoy it. The people of
Utah have for decades enjoyed watching BYU and the U of U play. This is a long
standing tradition in Utah. The U of U belongs to the people of Utah.How you have defined success of the U of U football program is at odds with
too many of the people of Utah.
@SportsFanThis year's Ute schedule is harder than the
Cougar's 2013 schedule. USC is better than Texas. Stanford beats Boise
State. Washington beats Notre Dame. Arizona State could beat Utah State (But I
would cheer for the Aggies) Can Georgia Tech beat Cal on the road? Washington
State can beat the over-rated Houston team. Hawaii? Come on, man. The Rainbows
are Cupcake City!Granted, the 2013 schedule for BYU is a challenging
schedule, but Utah will face a challenging schedule every year due to its
membership with a major conference. Do you really think the rest of
the BYU schedule will not be filled in with cupcakes?BYU better
hurry and schedule Discount Tires Tech before the "Raging Radials" fill
their schedule for 2013.
On any day the team that shows up to play wins. Number one doesn't mean
anything. Both teams (utes and cougars) consistently chock against big
competition. Too be a respectable team don't chock and find a way to win.
I think Chris Hill is over thinking this one. The BYU - Utah rivalry is as
important as any in the country. Whatever he thinks he might gain from
suspending the rivalry pales compared to what is lost.To me, this feels
like the beginning of a downfall for Hill after he did so much to elevate the
Utes to a place of national prominence. I am sure he'll be more than
happy to reignite the rivalry if the Utes' Football program slides the way
the basketball program has done in recent years.
I really don't care one bit what the utes do. Does not concern me in the
There are currently 68 teams who play in BCS conferences. Notre Dame, BYU,
Boise State, and Navy have played well enough to be considered BCS conference
worthy. That makes 72 teams.In 2011, only 10 of those 72 teams will
be playing 11 of their games against BCS conference caliber opponents. And of
those 10, only USC and Stanford have longstanding arrangements to play an out of
conference opponent BCS caliber opponent (Notre Dame) every year.The
standard formula, the one followed by almost all of the other BCS conference
members, is to play 8 conference games, 1 challenging (against a BCS caliber
opponent) game, and 3 against historically inferior opponents.Other
notable annual out of conference rivalry games, Clemson-South Carolina,
Florida-Florida State, for example, are played by teams that only play 8
conference games a year.Unfortunately, conference realignment has
killed several other rivalries - Pitt/WVU, Nebraska/Oklahoma, etc.Don't blame Utah/Chris Hill for being reluctant to play 11 of their 12
games in 2014 and 2015 against BCS caliber opponents (yes, BYU, that includes
you!), particularly in light of the fact that BYU has never played more than 6
in a season.
When you hurt football by dumping 100 year old rivalry games then it is only a
matter of time until people find something else to do.Football is
going to end up like baseball. Bring on Lacrosse and Rugby!
Wow! So much bitterness from BYU fans! Truthfully, if your team had been
invited to a major BCS conference, they would have jumped at the chance as well.
But most of us find your jealousy and anger toward the Utes amusing and
downright ironic, considering the "higher" values that your university
claims to have and promote.
Phoenix,It never ceases to amaze me how many BYU fans talk smack
about last year's game against Utah. We all know that BYU played horribly
in the second half, but it makes you sound silly to talk trash about a game your
team lost by over six touchdowns!
The "Utes have too difficult a schedule" to play BYU argument would play
a little better if the pac did not have 6 weak teams in it. Either way, I am
happy knowing that Utah is losing face by admitting that they don't want to
play BYU because they want to have a balanced schedule, i.e. want to play a weak
team they don't want to worry about losing to.
This all sounds like a bunch of Facebook status updates from girls who were
recently dumped. A whole lot of blaming and whining, but not a lot of moving on.
Get over yourselves. I'd like the game to happen every year, but I know
it's not the end of the world if it doesn't. It's good to see
your colors aren't changing, though. You'll always be blue from now
on. So very blue.
I'm not going to put my comments on one side or the other, but I have a
question that needs to be answered in order to finish the debate. What are the
qualifications for an "excellent" college football program? Is it number
of players put in the NFL? Is it number of players in the college football hall
of fame? Is it number of players put in the pro football hall of fame? Is it
strength of opponents? Is it number of games on national television? Is it
number of bowl appearances? Is it number of bowl wins? Is it number of wins? Is
it amount of money brought it by the program? Is it ranking of recruiting
classes? Just what are the qualifications? Someone want to answer that?
Chicagoborn:I guess, as almost most do, that the Idaho East
Community College is a much tougher match up than with the Utes...thank you for
re-enforcing that premise...
It really is too bad that BYU couldn't have moved on with Utah. Everybody
knows that it had nothing to do with the quality of BYU as a school or its
athletic programs. As a Utah native and a BYU grad, I am a fan of both teams --
but the notion that Utah is "scared" to play BYU is laughable. Like Hill
stated, intellectually people understand it but emotionally (the source of the
"scared" comments) they don't. Now that the PAC 12 and Big Ten have
scrapped their alliance, maybe it will become easier for Utah to fit BYU into
their schedule down the road. I hope so.
You know the PAC-12 has been much stronger in years past.Today, that
Conference is one of the weakest of the BCS.I mean it is really on par
with the MWC of a couple of years ago,with TCU, Utah, and BYU at the top.
They could play with USC and Oregon. Case in point is the first
game of this season with Washington Statecoming to play in Provo.Too
much is being made by Chris Hill about the quality of teams in thePAC-12.
Maybe in the future, but right now, LET'S GET REAL!!!
Muchos gatos enojados! Waaaaaaaaah!
What Utah is doing is very common from top schools in BCS conferences. The
conference schedule is hard. The body doesn't need wear and tear games in
the non-conference schedule. Having one or two cupcakes is fine. Make them
recruiting games. BYU has half their schedule as cupcakes.AT sports
fan. You listed 8 games for 2013 on BYU's schedule. What are BYU's
other games? Also, Utah State and Hawaii aren't world beaters are they.
Houston was good last year with a Heisman QB candidate. Expext them to be lousy
again. Boise State has proven themselves consistently, but I wonder about life
without Kellen Moore. Don't get me wrong, the games you
mentioned are decent, just not bragging material. They are like Utah's
bottom half of the PAC 12 schedule. In the years to come, Utah will be playing
Oregon, USC, and Michigan in the same year. Where is that big name BYU? I guess
it's Notre Dame.
What is lame about either fan that speak ill of the other is simply this - both
programs have been very good - not great - but very good for a long time. Their
has been great parity between both teams (last year aside) for the last ten plus
years. It is good for the State to see both teams excel and we
should all hope that both teams do excel. Sadly for all of us the
game we love to hate the most is being passed on. It is a great rivalry born of
the fact that both teams have been strong and played each other pretty even for
a while. What bothers me is that many of you don't seem to
want to admit this. After all what made Grant a great General was the fact he
fought Lee. If we are no longer to be rivals I will wish my old
enemy farewell - But I for one am sad to see this end. I do believe that
neither one of us will ever find someone that we really love to hate as much as
each other. That to me is sad.
I was actually one of the Ute fans who wanted to keep playing BYU regardless of
9 conference games and the now defunct PAC 12 / Big 10 pact. But I must
admit, reading the pathetic comments from whiny BYU fans on all these articles
has me thinking Utah should leave BYU high and dry. Lets just let cougar fans
drown in their sea of irrelevancy in return for their incessant whining and
overinflated egos. Play USU every year instead.
Phoenix --- Too bad your team can't seem to beat the Utes.. That 3 point
loss was against Colorado was tough for the Utes but I couldn't imagine how
hard it must have been to get beat by 44 points on your home field! Oh and if
you look on rivals.com The Utes have the 28th best recruiting class in 2012 and
BYU has the 61st best! Good luck though.
Uteanymous "Risk Losing to the Utes" Sorry but the Utes have owned
you guys in the last 10 years...... BYU beat Utah 3 times in 10 years and Utah
humiliated BYU last year at LES...Get real.
Neither BYU nor Utah fan.Facts: ...Utes u finished in
the cellar in almost every sport in the Pac12. Other schools blogs are still
questioning why Utah and Coloardo came into the league. Dr Hill obviously is
looking at this also and needs to lighten the load. 4-5 isn't goin to cut
it in football. No wins means no recruits, season ticket sales (example Utah
ball) no sponsors. No $. Gotta win now, and BYU isn't a gimmee so they are
dodging them understandably.BYU has the worst that believe they are
deserving. Why? BYU is maybe a 25-30th program in the Nation. Not that
important nationally and that's the facts. Fans are demanding and think
they are entitled. BYU doesn't carry much national prominence anymore and
fans run around beating thier chests with a las Vegas bowl victory over a 5th
place PAC 12 team. Enough.Fans:Utah win the Rose Bowl them
you can talk. Or even get there. Being one of the worst schools in the PAC
doesn't mean u have arrived.BYU get to a BCS BOwl game..until
then quit acting like u are great.
The Deuce"BYU has gone independent. Their schedule is dismal at
best..."2012 includesat Utahat Boise Stateat
Notre Dameat Georgia Tech2013 includesTexasBoise
StateUtahat Utah StateGeorgia Techat Houstonat
Notre Dameat HawaiiIt's laughable how Utah fans
constantly twist reality to support their crimson-glasses shaded view of the
world.A team that couldn't even beat 10-loss Colorado and
barely beat 8-loss Washington State last season, wouldn't have a prayer of
beating Boise State, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech on the road this season, and
would be lucky to finish with a winning record against BYU's 2013 schedule.
chicagoborn"at the end of the year when you have battled through
your schedule which consisted of mostly cupcakes, you can fool the rest of the
country into thinking you were actually a decent team"For team
that FAILED to fool the rest of the country into thinking they were actually a
decent team, see mirror.Let's review:Utah only played four PAC 12 road games in 2011Six of Utah's nine
PAC 12 foes finished with losing recordsFour of Utah's PAC 12 foes
only won 4 games or fewerUtah didn't have to play two of the three
best teams in the conference - Oregon and StanfordUtah's only
legitimate competitor for the PAC 12 South, USC, was on probationand
yet, U couldn't beat pathetic 3-10 Colorado to win a gift-wrapped golden
ticket into the first PAC 12 championship game.And then U whined
incessantly about the rest of the country not recognizing Utah's perfect
storm win over BYU as thing since sliced bread.BYU earned its Top 25
ranking by NOT LOSING to any of the cupcakes on its schedule.Utah
fell short - own it!
I guess we now can better understand Casteel's comments about the rivalry
not being so important from an article last week. He was trying to lock up a job
at the U. Way to trade your honesty for a paycheck. I am sure that your
integrity is worth that concierge gig.
BYU has gone independent. Their schedule is dismal at best, so why would the
Univ. of Utah not jump at a chance to improve their standing against a proven
program with relevance. Unfortunately for BYU, they have worked their way out of
the picture. The Univ. of Utah is working it's way into a bigger picture.
This decision was not that hard to understand. This is from a neutral fan not
taking sides as so many on this site do.
chicagobornMore hysterical hyperbole from the hill crowd completely
divorced from reality.BYU's temporary scheduling of teams like
Idaho and New Mexico State was only done to deal with the short-term scheduling
crunch BYU faced after declaring Independence in August 2010. For proof that it
was only a short-term, two-year fix, look no further than BYU 2013 schedule:(records from 2011)Texas(8-5)Boise State(12-1)Utah(8-5)at Utah State(7-6)Georgia Tech(8-5)at
Houston(13-1)at Notre Dame(8-5)at Hawaii(6-7)Show me ONE
single game on that schedule that offers any evidence whatsoever that BYU is
scheduling as many "winnable" games as possible.The truth
is, Utah fans only use this "scheduling as many winnable games as you
can" distortion of the true facts to conceal the embarrassment Utah fans
have felt for how pathetically weak Utah's schedule has turned out to be in
Utah's first two years in the PAC 12.
Right Dr. Hill..."wink, wink"
@ThomasJeffersonSo it seems like the Utah basketball is taking a page out
of the BYU football scheduling procedure. Schedule as many winnable games as you
can. Then, at the end of the year when you have battled through your schedule
which consisted of mostly cupcakes, you can fool the rest of the country into
thinking you were actually a decent team. It worked for BYU. Let's see if
it works for Utah basketball. "BYU seeks out the best to play."
Ha! I may be way off here, but I don't think I would consider Idaho St, New
Mexico St, and Idaho East Community College the "best." No wonder BYU is
desperate to play the U.
Agreed Dr. Hill! Enough said.
In your dreams, cougars. In 2014 we play 10 of 11 games scheduled agains BCS
teams including; Michigan, USC, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Arizona,
Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, and our in-state rival Utah State. And
in desperation to imporove your schedule you play the "afraid to play BYU
card"?! (In 2014 the Y schedule, as of now, is Texas, Boise State, Hawaii,
Utah State, UCF, Houston, and Southern Mississippi.) Dr. Hill, as a
Utah fan, I say schedule any team in Texas and tell Sam Tevi, and other
recruits, the game is for them.
I agree, I don't thin he is doing what's best. Utah's results
against byu have nothing to do with the goal of winning the PAC-12 or going to
the Rose Bowl. Even so, I think Utah would beat byu 4 out of 5 for the
Unapologetic to whom Doctor?BYU fans, who never sought an apology in
the first place?orUtah fans, who are privately
embarrassed by having to explain why Utah is too afraid to play BYU?
Chris - Utah fans want to play the game. I'm sorry but you don't know
what's best or else you would have byu on schedule every single year,
regardless of the other games. Even with Michigan there are still two spots
left. Thanks for diluting the rivalry and a great portion of what it means to be
a Utah fan. You are wrong and there's no debating that. thank you for
scheduling michigan, but you should man up and have done byu as well. weak.
"We're playing to do great in the Pac-12," he [Chris Hill] said.
"That's our goal right now."So how does playing an OOC
game against your natural rival affect your ability to do "great" in the
PAC 12?You're just going to have to live with the embarrassment
of running away from your rival, because, as you said so yourself, Utah
isn't good enough to play Michigan and BYU in the same season.After all of the chesting beating and whining and excuse making, bottom line
is, the Utes would rather be thought of as cowards, than risk losing to the
Cougars and having their bowl hopes dashed.