Utah Utes football: Unapologetic Chris Hill says he has to do what's best for Ute football program


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  • Mr. Moots Salt Lake City, UT
    July 19, 2012 8:42 a.m.

    This whole thing is about one guy who is trying to make sure he survives as head coach. It is easier to get a win out of San Jose State than BYU. His job is on the line every year and the easy decision is to not play BYU.

    How is that good for Football? To let one guy decide what the schedule is and throw out 100 yr tradition? Lame!!!!

    It is a State school. WE are the ones paying this guy.

    Time to do the right thing and man up!

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2012 11:06 p.m.

    Dr. Hill,

    This Ute season-ticket-holder is very disappointed. This game is a Utah tradition. I understand the reasons you have given, but they are not good enough. The big conferences and money are taking the fun out of college football. Many other rivalries continue around the country, despite lack of conference affiliation: Florida Florida State, Georgia Georgia Tech, etc. We could make it work, but you choose not to. Don't end a long-standing tradition to just play a couple of games against a big opponent. That is short-sited. I know you think I am being short-sited, but in my view, the fans and the players want to play the Utah/BYU game. If you are right, then perhaps we will all come around and agree with you in a few years. Please, let's just play the game.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 16, 2012 2:14 p.m.

    qwest for 2nd place/motorbike

    #25 Coaches / #26 AP versus "not getting a single vote in either poll"

    is the difference between 3 losses and 5 losses, despite your SOS.

    This will probably come as a shock to some SOS-obsessed Utah fans, but U don't get any credit for LOSING to bad teams, even if they are ranked a little higher than the bad teams BYU BEAT.

  • Grillmaster21 Springville, UT
    July 16, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    Above all the rhetoric, Alls I read was "It's not easy being so self-absorbed in our own self-righteous, and self-promoted success that when we lose to BYU, AND lose to a BETTER Michigan team, we'll be RIGHT where we started as the Marginal PAC-12 team that we're oh, so fortunate to be a pert of."

    Spare me. "Really good Programs" aren't in the lower-middle of their marginal divisions. The Ute Arrogance is and always will be their down fall. It's just really fun to see them finally realize it themselves - NOW.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 16, 2012 1:11 p.m.

    @Qwest Perfected,

    Well put. 10 wins earning a #25 ranking in one poll - because USC was on probation - pretty much sums up the difference in SOS between BYU and Utah.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 16, 2012 12:09 p.m.

    If the Y were in the BIG 12 the Utah BYU game would be back on - every year. This is a no brainer.

  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2012 10:04 a.m.


    Quality of opponent is always factored into the rankings equation. How else could you explain that with 10 wins byu only wound up in 1 out of the 3 major top 25 polls.

    I don't know why these discussions always end up in the same argument with people trying to prove which program is better by radom statistics etc.

    I like to watch the head to head game play out and let them decide who is the better team on the field. Of course you have to be pretty creative to discount the 54 - 10 beat down of last year and then try to divert attention elsewhere.

    Did byu get better the end of last season or were they just playing lower quality of opponents? You're in complete denial to think you played a good team in November.

    We will find out soon enough which team is better this year.

    Go Utes!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    July 16, 2012 6:47 a.m.


    Utah didn't move up the rankings because the Utes LOST to ASU, Cal, Wash, USC. and

    10-loss COLORADO.

    It doesn't matter who you beat if you LOSE to a 10-loss team at home with the division title there for the taking!

    There is no trophy for having the best SOS. You still have to beat the dogs on your schedule for SOS to mean something.

  • rj Moss, Norway
    July 16, 2012 1:55 a.m.

    I think Dr. Hill is dealing with perceptions and speculation here, not unlike the stock market. I think he's weighing risks and potential rewards by judging BYU based on the national perception of the program. Is he risking losing to an undervalued opponent? Or does he see BYU as a heavyweight on par with the Pac-12 and doesn't need a schedule that's so top-heavy? If you look at the big picture, he has little to gain by beating BYU, and much to lose if he loses to them.
    National pundits collectively give BYU mixed reviews on the quality of the program. For some teams, they're considered a difficult opponent. For others they're considered weak. Why does Chris Hill need that kind of uncertainty fouling up his otherwise clear-cut schedule? It's actually a very rational decision.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm a BYU fan who would like nothing more than to pound Utah into the turf. But you can't fault Dr. Hill for thinking with his head rather than his heart on this matter.

  • Old ball coach Sandy, UT
    July 15, 2012 11:43 p.m.

    Are you telling me Hatu is going to dodge their in state rival....like they dodged Boise for the last 5 years? Why did the PAC 10 invited this team....the PAC 10 never dodges teams....that is the SEC! We should have taken Boise or Nevada instead of the Setu from Utah!

    Go Trojans!

  • Magic Man Draper, UT
    July 15, 2012 11:40 p.m.

    As a Ute fan and booster. I will be disappointed if Utah continues to play BYU home and home. With the Utes in the Pac 12, Utah has a competitive advantage in recruiting. By not playing the game at all or going the two for one scenario will continue to make Utah look more attractive to the handful of recruits the Utes and Cougs go head to head with each year. It may also help the Utes with high profile LDS kids who are from outside the state who have more often choosen the Y or another Pac 12 school. In my opinion, the only apology needed from Chris Hill is to Ute fans if he continues to schedule home and home with BYU. The Utes should leverage the competitive advantage.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2012 10:12 p.m.


    "Beating arizona, oregon st, washington st, colorado, arizona st, ucla and northern colorado will do nothing to move utah up the rankings."

    That's a fair statement. Now add BYU to that same list. BYU does nothing to move Utah up or down the rankings JUST LIKE THE LIST ABOVE. Meaning it's a no win situation for Utah to schedule them if they can get a team like Michigan to play instead.

    If Utah didn't already have the 6 BYU's you mentioned plus 3-5 tougher opponents any given year, then it would make more sense to make the game happen.

    But as it stands Chris Hill is absolutely right to be looking for at least one tuneup game per season (Northern Colorado) and is brave to take on another quality opponent such as BYU or Michigan while filling the last spot with either a recruiting game or USU that Utah should beat 8-9 times out of 10.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    July 15, 2012 9:52 p.m.

    Let either one of them play a regular SEC schedule and see how good they are.


    There is plenty of garbage in the SEC. The conference is overrated. 2 or 3 teams are very good each year. The rest are not.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 15, 2012 9:31 p.m.


    Really? Texas, Notre Dame and Boise State. You think that is a super hard schedule? The Cougars have half their schedule as automatic tune ups and R & R vacations.

    Boise State is now in the post Kellen Moore era mind you. Don't get me wrong, I like BYU scheduling them and the other quality opponents they could work on the schedule. That said, you don't see the independent struggle to fill a legit schedule outside 5 or 6 games a year?

    And then why feel the need to LOL again. Is everything a Ute fan posts that funny to you. I guess we are all comedians. Either that or you think it fun to mock us all, only I find the whole LOL thing way to much of a crutch for you . I took my shot. Now by all means keep entertaining yourself.

    I had to reply here. As of late, your comments have been much more balanced. Today it seems you might be on the Kool Aid again though.

  • LVIS Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    I got on here a little late, but:

    Who am I sir?
    Cottonwood Heights, UT
    In your dreams, cougars. In 2014 we play...our in-state rival Utah State.

    Seriously? Your 'in-state rival'? I have to admit, I've laughed at few Ute posts, but this one takes the cake! Your 'in-state rival'. Good one.

  • CA. reader Rocklin, CA
    July 15, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    It boils down to this: if Utah somehow manages to win the PAC 10.2 in the same year that they lose to BYU...it doesn't look good for Utah or their BCS buddies.

    That said, I believe that if Coach Whittingham can leverage Utah's PAC 10.2 membership into some better recruiting, those other supposed better coached in the PAC 10.2 will regret letting those Wasatch interlopers into their league.

    July 15, 2012 8:11 p.m.

    I wouldn't mind if the Utes continued to schedule teams other than the team down south. I like watching the Utes play other teams in different stadiums more than I enjoy watching the same old WAC/Mtn. West teams we played in the past. I think the rivalry has run it's course, fans deserve more home games, so go get 2 for 1 arrangements where we can Chris.

    Go Utes!!!

  • SoCalChris Riverside, CA
    July 15, 2012 8:08 p.m.

    The USC - Notre Dame rivalry is set in stone every year. It's about as big a game as the USC - UCLA game no matter how well each school has done comparatively in recent years. The BYU - UTAH rivalry should be honored easily as much. Incredible to me that Hill doesn't see it that way. You don't mess with tradition like that.

    July 15, 2012 8:00 p.m.


    Of all the posters, here, I am most amused with your continual pro-"byu", anti-Utah posts. At 6:13 P.M. you posted "BYU plays Texas, Notre Dame and Boise St (and Utah) next year."

    Why stop there? As I look at the schedule, besides these four good games (Boise will be down, though), "byu" plays the following: Weber State, Hawaii, Utah State, Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State.

    Sounds like a match made in WAC heaven.

  • cmbennett1 OGDEN, UT
    July 15, 2012 7:00 p.m.

    Let either one of them play a regular SEC schedule and see how good they are.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 15, 2012 6:46 p.m.

    There are many people in the country who believe Utah schools don't play good football. Time for BYU and Utah to part their ways and prove them wrong. Wins over Oklahoma and Alabama was impressive.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 15, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    @the deuce

    Fail on your part.

    No one plays all great teams so how is it that they "move up the rankings" by beating those other 8 teams? You move uyp the rankings by winning whoever you play and if you play a few really good teams along the way you will probably move up just a little bit more.

    Beating arizona, oregon st, washington st, colorado, arizona st, ucla and northern colorado will do nothing to "move utah up the rankings" by your illogic. That's if utah actually wins those games. Beating utah won't give anyone that much of a boost either other than it is just another win.

    No one plays a schedule of nothing but top 25 teams, no one. Not even close. So how do they "move up the rankings" when they probably only play 4 ranked teams?


  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 15, 2012 6:13 p.m.


    BYU plays Texas, Notre Dame and Boise St next year. Every bit as good as what you want to claim for utah. At least try to not look at things through the crimson shades you wear.


  • Qwest Perfected Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 5:40 p.m.

    Utah put the rivalry on hold for two years to make room for a home and home with Michigan. That was a great move and I can't wait to see Michigan come to Rice Eccles.

    For all of you coug fans whining about this, have you forgotten that the y has done this a few times to Utah State when you were going to play Notre Dame. Why was it ok then? Have you also forgot how Bronco down played the rivalry when the cougs announced their independence? At the time, he showed very little concern if the rivalry continued.

    Now that byu has realized how hard it is to put together a good schedule, they complain about the game being put on hold for a couple of years. We all know that the cougs would have done the exact same thing if they were in the same position.

    I along with most Ute fans, would love to see the rivalry continue. It was weird enough last year to not have the game in November, however with only 3 non conference games, they had to take the opportunity to play a home and home with Michigan.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    July 15, 2012 4:30 p.m.

    To: phoenix Gilbert, AZ: BYU's 2012 schedule is dismal.You have correctly pointed out 4 games that mean something. The remaining 8 are worthless for rankings or moving up the charts. If you are telling is that the following 4 games makes a schedule, I will agree that this looks good.

    2012 includes
    at Utah
    at Boise State
    at Notre Dame
    at Georgia Tech

    Why didn't you show the remaining schedule? By the way, I am not a Ute fan not a BYU fan. I follow college football. I hope that I bring a voice of reason and reality to a discussion that seems to be filled with fans with poor understanding of the situation that BYU has put themsleves in to. BYU was once a great program and I for one would like to see them return to this status. They need a new AD and a new coach along with a new direction towards a conference affiliation.

  • II Las Vegas, NV
    July 15, 2012 3:26 p.m.

    A couple thoughts:
    1. I remember when AZ and ASU joined the Pac 8 in 1978 (after a couple of ASU football undefeated but non-#1 seasons, similar to Utah's). AZ and ASU have been low level most of the time since. Non-BCS BYU won a NC and Utah has been to two BCS games.
    2. When USC or ND has a down year it can be "salvaged" by beating one's primary rival, each other. ND is independent and USC is Pac 12 but they are main rivals, point being not in the same league. BYU and UT now won't have that opportunity for at least a couple of years. BYU won 10 games again last year with a painful loss to Utah. What would Utah have had without their win over BYU?
    3. I honestly exptect BYU will be just fine down the line while Utah will struggle for awhile, although I hope both do very well. I hope BYU will not refuse to play Utah when the tables are turned via Big 12, undefeated seasons, whatever.
    3. I still hate the BCS.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    July 15, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    I dont have a dog in the fight. The Utah AD sounds like he is looking after his program. He cannot have football and basketball at the bottom of the well. As others have said its not Hill's job to look out for BYU. BYU fans should accept it and move forward. Afterall the Aggies are no longer a automatic win and we all know the great and mighty BYU- Utah fan would lose face if the lowly Aggies end up the best college football team in Utah.

  • tpayne22 cedar city, UT
    July 15, 2012 3:13 p.m.

    Its a sad fact, but the fact of the matter is that if Utah plays BYU, and beats them, it really wont make a difference as to how they are looked at by other teams and other conferences. BYU is a potentially good team, but them being an independent team, who hasnt made a name for themselves yet, wont really show that Utah is a good team if they beat them. I know that they dont have super duper hard teams lined up, but as of right now, BYU hasnt had enough time to establish a name for themselves. Utah needs to play big time teams, who will help them gain respect by winning. We need to realize, that once you get into the bigger leagues (pac 12 for example) that traditions and fans opinions matter less and less. The schools start to worry more about having a big name, having big tv deals, and other things. Utah playing BYU ultimately wont help there imagine in any way shape or form. I really do love the rivalry, but until BYU gets a set name or Utah gets more coverage, it just wont happen.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 15, 2012 3:04 p.m.


    My intent was not to brag about Utah's recruiting, but to point out that: 1. Recruiting rankings in July don't mean nearly as much as they do on signing day. 2. BYU and Utah have different recruiting chronologies. 3. Utah had recruited better than BYU over the last 5 years.

    Please don't put words in my mouth. I didn't say anything about the caliber of talent in the Pac 12 in my recent post. But since you brought it up, you're right - playing in the Pac 12 will be very challenging for the Utes. There is more talent in the conference.

    As you know, there's more to building a quality program than just signing highly sought after recruits. That is what has allowed our programs to beat more athletic teams in the past. Here's one Ute fan that hopes that Utah can continue to get a lot out of their players, and become one of the better teams in their new conference.

    And I wish the Cougars luck, but hope the Utes beat them in September and in 2016!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 2:40 p.m.

    trueblue87 bragged "I just looked at the 2013 recruiting class on rivals.com and BYU is ranked 41 while Utah is ranked a dismal 70."

    I'm sure you looked at 2012 as well. This time last year, BYU's 2012 class was ranked #38, because BYU does their recruiting earlier than other programs. At the end of the day, Utah ended up at #28 and BYU faded to #61.

    Be excited about #38. It's all downhill from here until signing day.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 15, 2012 2:30 p.m.


    It's truly amazing how incredibly shortsighted so many fans are when it comes to predicting future competitiveness based strictly on recruiting class rankings.

    Utah fans beat their chests about having slightly better recruiting classes than BYU, then pretend that the MASSIVELY better recruiting classes of the PAC 12 teams Utah is now competing against are realitively insignificant.

    Based strictly on recruiting class rankings, Utah will NEVER have a chance of beating USC, so why even play the games?

    Here are ESPN's Top 25 Recruiting Class Rankings for the last 8 years:

    #6 USC
    #21 Wash
    #24 Stan
    #25 Ore

    #12 Stan
    #13 USC
    #18 Ore
    #19 UCLA
    #22 Cal
    #23 Wash

    #4 USC
    #14 Ore
    #18 Cal
    #21 Stan
    #24 Wash

    #7 USC
    #10 UCLA
    #15 Cal
    #18 Stan
    #20 Wash
    #22 Ore

    #4 USC
    #17 UCLA

    #7 USC
    #14 UCLA
    #17 ASU
    #24 Colo

    #1 USC
    #23 Ore

    #2 USC
    #19 UCLA


    Utah joins Arizona, Washington State, and Oregon State as the four conference bottom-dwellers who haven't had a single Top 25 recruiting class during Kyle's tenure at Utah.

  • 9er4life Provo, UT
    July 15, 2012 2:09 p.m.

    Dr. Hill, you doing a fantastic job. You don't have to apologize for anything or anyone for suspending the rivalry. Keep up the good work!

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    July 15, 2012 2:03 p.m.

    Who am I sir?

    Sagarin's final rankings had Utah's SOS 49th and BYU's SOS 90th.

    Unfortunately for U, Sagarin's Final Rankings take into account the entire season, not just one game

    BYU #34
    Utah #39

    Utah's best win was #34 BYU
    BYU's best win was #35 Tulsa

    Utah's worst loss was #107 Colorado
    BYU's worst loss was #39 Utah

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 15, 2012 1:32 p.m.


    Unfortunately for BYU fans, the strength of a school's recruiting class isn't based on who has signed through July.

    BYU historically signs a larger percentage of their recruits early, while Utah signs the majority of its recruits late in the process.

    According to the Rivals, Scout, and ESPN, Utah has won the recruiting battle with BYU over the last 5 years, particularly in the last 3 years.

    I recommend that you wait until signing day before bragging about BYU's recruiting class. You may be counting chickens before they hatch.

  • Ex Pat Salt Lake City, Ut
    July 15, 2012 1:30 p.m.


    Am I wrong? Isn't the problem with BYU joining one of these programs that they won't play on Sunday?
    I hate to see it go. I'm a fan of both teams unless they play each other. Then I cheer for one, oh yes it is the same one every year and my household is completely divided.

    July 15, 2012 1:20 p.m.

    I agree and support the decision made by Dr. Hill. The schedule next year (all in state teams for OOC games) is not going to help us recruit and needs to be a one time event.
    There are a few Ute fans that have been vocal about not liking this decision but the overall commentary is heavily supporting his decision.
    There are a number of Y fans that make some pretty amusing posts showing their jealousy. You are certainly entitled to your opinion but your lack of class, jealousy of Utah controlling this decision, and hatred to your rival is very apparent.

  • trueblue87 Provo, UT
    July 15, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    @ jenny83

    I just looked at the 2013 recruiting class on rivals.com and BYU is ranked 41 while Utah is ranked a dismal 70. can't keep winning if you don't reload.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:41 p.m.


    I agree with you to a point. The schedule you provided for 2013 does have some very respectable teams and I look forward to sollowing the Y performance. But you have to admit it's an incredibly light schedule - 8 games!! That's a lot of BYES or are you hidding something?

    I also owe you an appology. You said, "... look no further than BYU('s) 2013 schedule. Well, unfortunately I did to BYU's 2014 and 2015 schedules. Without going into detail the 8 game schedule you listed for 2013 is significantly more difficult than the 5-6 games scheduled for 2014 or 2015. (With 2 or 3 major opponents.)

    Finally, your comment, "..how pathetically weak Utah's schedule has turned out to be in Utah's first two years in the PAC 12." Utah's 2011 schedule was rated 33rd toughest bY Phil Steele while BYU's was rated 95th. (These were preseason ranking - end of season probably differed somewhat.) The gap has narrowed in 2012 to Utah 63rd and BYU 81. In '83. You've identified the Y's major opponents - Utah's USC, Oregon, Stanford,Washington and in '2014 add Michigan - a top 10 calibre schedule!

  • chicagoborn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    What gets me is the amount of people bringing up the Colorado game. I get it. The U lost. I guess I understand the need to piggyback on other teams when your team can't get it done against the U. BYU fans were TCU fans in 2010 because they couldn't get it done then. BYU fans are Colorado fans now because they couldn't get it done this year either. Keep telling yourself that the PAC is the weakest BCS conference. We all know BYU would jump at the chance to join. Or course you need to be invited first but that's an entirely different story.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:21 p.m.

    I hope Utah knows what it is doing. Replacing BYU means scheduling a team that plays all 4 quarters. They've had a sweet deal with 11.75 regular season games.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 15, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    For greater exposure, theses teams need to get away from each other. Cris Hill has got it right.

  • cjb Bountiful, UT
    July 15, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    I am not a sports fan and am not emotionally invested in the BYU .. U of U revilary. That said, may I remind the U of U coach that football doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's value exists because people enjoy it. The people of Utah have for decades enjoyed watching BYU and the U of U play. This is a long standing tradition in Utah. The U of U belongs to the people of Utah.

    How you have defined success of the U of U football program is at odds with too many of the people of Utah.

  • Peter Coyotl West Jordan, UT
    July 15, 2012 11:44 a.m.


    This year's Ute schedule is harder than the Cougar's 2013 schedule. USC is better than Texas. Stanford beats Boise State. Washington beats Notre Dame. Arizona State could beat Utah State (But I would cheer for the Aggies) Can Georgia Tech beat Cal on the road? Washington State can beat the over-rated Houston team. Hawaii? Come on, man. The Rainbows are Cupcake City!

    Granted, the 2013 schedule for BYU is a challenging schedule, but Utah will face a challenging schedule every year due to its membership with a major conference.

    Do you really think the rest of the BYU schedule will not be filled in with cupcakes?

    BYU better hurry and schedule Discount Tires Tech before the "Raging Radials" fill their schedule for 2013.

  • estreetshuffle Window Rock, AZ
    July 15, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    On any day the team that shows up to play wins. Number one doesn't mean anything. Both teams (utes and cougars) consistently chock against big competition. Too be a respectable team don't chock and find a way to win.

  • NY BYU Guy in TX Flower Mound, TX
    July 15, 2012 10:49 a.m.

    I think Chris Hill is over thinking this one. The BYU - Utah rivalry is as important as any in the country. Whatever he thinks he might gain from suspending the rivalry pales compared to what is lost.
    To me, this feels like the beginning of a downfall for Hill after he did so much to elevate the Utes to a place of national prominence.
    I am sure he'll be more than happy to reignite the rivalry if the Utes' Football program slides the way the basketball program has done in recent years.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 15, 2012 10:47 a.m.

    I really don't care one bit what the utes do. Does not concern me in the least.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 15, 2012 10:46 a.m.

    There are currently 68 teams who play in BCS conferences. Notre Dame, BYU, Boise State, and Navy have played well enough to be considered BCS conference worthy. That makes 72 teams.

    In 2011, only 10 of those 72 teams will be playing 11 of their games against BCS conference caliber opponents. And of those 10, only USC and Stanford have longstanding arrangements to play an out of conference opponent BCS caliber opponent (Notre Dame) every year.

    The standard formula, the one followed by almost all of the other BCS conference members, is to play 8 conference games, 1 challenging (against a BCS caliber opponent) game, and 3 against historically inferior opponents.

    Other notable annual out of conference rivalry games, Clemson-South Carolina, Florida-Florida State, for example, are played by teams that only play 8 conference games a year.

    Unfortunately, conference realignment has killed several other rivalries - Pitt/WVU, Nebraska/Oklahoma, etc.

    Don't blame Utah/Chris Hill for being reluctant to play 11 of their 12 games in 2014 and 2015 against BCS caliber opponents (yes, BYU, that includes you!), particularly in light of the fact that BYU has never played more than 6 in a season.

  • Mr. Moots Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 10:41 a.m.

    When you hurt football by dumping 100 year old rivalry games then it is only a matter of time until people find something else to do.

    Football is going to end up like baseball.

    Bring on Lacrosse and Rugby!

    July 15, 2012 10:28 a.m.

    Wow! So much bitterness from BYU fans! Truthfully, if your team had been invited to a major BCS conference, they would have jumped at the chance as well. But most of us find your jealousy and anger toward the Utes amusing and downright ironic, considering the "higher" values that your university claims to have and promote.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 15, 2012 10:28 a.m.


    It never ceases to amaze me how many BYU fans talk smack about last year's game against Utah. We all know that BYU played horribly in the second half, but it makes you sound silly to talk trash about a game your team lost by over six touchdowns!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 15, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    The "Utes have too difficult a schedule" to play BYU argument would play a little better if the pac did not have 6 weak teams in it. Either way, I am happy knowing that Utah is losing face by admitting that they don't want to play BYU because they want to have a balanced schedule, i.e. want to play a weak team they don't want to worry about losing to.

    July 15, 2012 9:53 a.m.

    This all sounds like a bunch of Facebook status updates from girls who were recently dumped. A whole lot of blaming and whining, but not a lot of moving on. Get over yourselves. I'd like the game to happen every year, but I know it's not the end of the world if it doesn't. It's good to see your colors aren't changing, though. You'll always be blue from now on. So very blue.

  • redsfan Green River, UT
    July 15, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    I'm not going to put my comments on one side or the other, but I have a question that needs to be answered in order to finish the debate. What are the qualifications for an "excellent" college football program? Is it number of players put in the NFL? Is it number of players in the college football hall of fame? Is it number of players put in the pro football hall of fame? Is it strength of opponents? Is it number of games on national television? Is it number of bowl appearances? Is it number of bowl wins? Is it number of wins? Is it amount of money brought it by the program? Is it ranking of recruiting classes? Just what are the qualifications? Someone want to answer that?

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 15, 2012 8:14 a.m.


    I guess, as almost most do, that the Idaho East Community College is a much tougher match up than with the Utes...thank you for re-enforcing that premise...

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    July 15, 2012 7:42 a.m.

    It really is too bad that BYU couldn't have moved on with Utah. Everybody knows that it had nothing to do with the quality of BYU as a school or its athletic programs. As a Utah native and a BYU grad, I am a fan of both teams -- but the notion that Utah is "scared" to play BYU is laughable. Like Hill stated, intellectually people understand it but emotionally (the source of the "scared" comments) they don't. Now that the PAC 12 and Big Ten have scrapped their alliance, maybe it will become easier for Utah to fit BYU into their schedule down the road. I hope so.

  • Truebluecoug Park City, UT
    July 15, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    You know the PAC-12 has been much stronger in years past.
    Today, that Conference is one of the weakest of the BCS.
    I mean it is really on par with the MWC of a couple of years ago,
    with TCU, Utah, and BYU at the top. They could play with
    USC and Oregon.
    Case in point is the first game of this season with Washington State
    coming to play in Provo.
    Too much is being made by Chris Hill about the quality of teams in the
    PAC-12. Maybe in the future, but right now, LET'S GET REAL!!!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 15, 2012 7:08 a.m.

    Muchos gatos enojados! Waaaaaaaaah!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    July 15, 2012 3:53 a.m.

    What Utah is doing is very common from top schools in BCS conferences. The conference schedule is hard. The body doesn't need wear and tear games in the non-conference schedule. Having one or two cupcakes is fine. Make them recruiting games. BYU has half their schedule as cupcakes.

    AT sports fan. You listed 8 games for 2013 on BYU's schedule. What are BYU's other games? Also, Utah State and Hawaii aren't world beaters are they. Houston was good last year with a Heisman QB candidate. Expext them to be lousy again. Boise State has proven themselves consistently, but I wonder about life without Kellen Moore.

    Don't get me wrong, the games you mentioned are decent, just not bragging material. They are like Utah's bottom half of the PAC 12 schedule. In the years to come, Utah will be playing Oregon, USC, and Michigan in the same year. Where is that big name BYU? I guess it's Notre Dame.

    July 15, 2012 2:21 a.m.

    What is lame about either fan that speak ill of the other is simply this - both programs have been very good - not great - but very good for a long time. Their has been great parity between both teams (last year aside) for the last ten plus years.

    It is good for the State to see both teams excel and we should all hope that both teams do excel.

    Sadly for all of us the game we love to hate the most is being passed on. It is a great rivalry born of the fact that both teams have been strong and played each other pretty even for a while.

    What bothers me is that many of you don't seem to want to admit this. After all what made Grant a great General was the fact he fought Lee.

    If we are no longer to be rivals I will wish my old enemy farewell - But I for one am sad to see this end. I do believe that neither one of us will ever find someone that we really love to hate as much as each other.

    That to me is sad.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:54 a.m.

    I was actually one of the Ute fans who wanted to keep playing BYU regardless of 9 conference games and the now defunct PAC 12 / Big 10 pact.
    But I must admit, reading the pathetic comments from whiny BYU fans on all these articles has me thinking Utah should leave BYU high and dry. Lets just let cougar fans drown in their sea of irrelevancy in return for their incessant whining and overinflated egos.
    Play USU every year instead.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:27 a.m.

    Phoenix --- Too bad your team can't seem to beat the Utes.. That 3 point loss was against Colorado was tough for the Utes but I couldn't imagine how hard it must have been to get beat by 44 points on your home field! Oh and if you look on rivals.com The Utes have the 28th best recruiting class in 2012 and BYU has the 61st best! Good luck though.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:20 a.m.

    Uteanymous "Risk Losing to the Utes" Sorry but the Utes have owned you guys in the last 10 years...... BYU beat Utah 3 times in 10 years and Utah humiliated BYU last year at LES...Get real.

  • oldtimeftballer Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:10 a.m.

    Neither BYU nor Utah fan.


    ...Utes u finished in the cellar in almost every sport in the Pac12. Other schools blogs are still questioning why Utah and Coloardo came into the league. Dr Hill obviously is looking at this also and needs to lighten the load. 4-5 isn't goin to cut it in football. No wins means no recruits, season ticket sales (example Utah ball) no sponsors. No $. Gotta win now, and BYU isn't a gimmee so they are dodging them understandably.

    BYU has the worst that believe they are deserving. Why? BYU is maybe a 25-30th program in the Nation. Not that important nationally and that's the facts. Fans are demanding and think they are entitled. BYU doesn't carry much national prominence anymore and fans run around beating thier chests with a las Vegas bowl victory over a 5th place PAC 12 team. Enough.

    Utah win the Rose Bowl them you can talk. Or even get there. Being one of the worst schools in the PAC doesn't mean u have arrived.

    BYU get to a BCS BOwl game..until then quit acting like u are great.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 15, 2012 12:05 a.m.

    The Deuce

    "BYU has gone independent. Their schedule is dismal at best..."

    2012 includes
    at Utah
    at Boise State
    at Notre Dame
    at Georgia Tech

    2013 includes
    Boise State
    at Utah State
    Georgia Tech
    at Houston
    at Notre Dame
    at Hawaii

    It's laughable how Utah fans constantly twist reality to support their crimson-glasses shaded view of the world.

    A team that couldn't even beat 10-loss Colorado and barely beat 8-loss Washington State last season, wouldn't have a prayer of beating Boise State, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech on the road this season, and would be lucky to finish with a winning record against BYU's 2013 schedule.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 11:51 p.m.


    "at the end of the year when you have battled through your schedule which consisted of mostly cupcakes, you can fool the rest of the country into thinking you were actually a decent team"

    For team that FAILED to fool the rest of the country into thinking they were actually a decent team,

    see mirror.

    Let's review:

    Utah only played four PAC 12 road games in 2011
    Six of Utah's nine PAC 12 foes finished with losing records
    Four of Utah's PAC 12 foes only won 4 games or fewer
    Utah didn't have to play two of the three best teams in the conference - Oregon and Stanford
    Utah's only legitimate competitor for the PAC 12 South, USC, was on probation

    and yet, U couldn't beat pathetic 3-10 Colorado to win a gift-wrapped golden ticket into the first PAC 12 championship game.

    And then U whined incessantly about the rest of the country not recognizing Utah's perfect storm win over BYU as thing since sliced bread.

    BYU earned its Top 25 ranking by NOT LOSING to any of the cupcakes on its schedule.

    Utah fell short - own it!

  • n8rix Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 11:50 p.m.

    I guess we now can better understand Casteel's comments about the rivalry not being so important from an article last week. He was trying to lock up a job at the U. Way to trade your honesty for a paycheck. I am sure that your integrity is worth that concierge gig.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    July 14, 2012 11:42 p.m.

    BYU has gone independent. Their schedule is dismal at best, so why would the Univ. of Utah not jump at a chance to improve their standing against a proven program with relevance. Unfortunately for BYU, they have worked their way out of the picture. The Univ. of Utah is working it's way into a bigger picture. This decision was not that hard to understand. This is from a neutral fan not taking sides as so many on this site do.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:39 p.m.


    More hysterical hyperbole from the hill crowd completely divorced from reality.

    BYU's temporary scheduling of teams like Idaho and New Mexico State was only done to deal with the short-term scheduling crunch BYU faced after declaring Independence in August 2010. For proof that it was only a short-term, two-year fix, look no further than BYU 2013 schedule:

    (records from 2011)
    Boise State(12-1)
    at Utah State(7-6)
    Georgia Tech(8-5)
    at Houston(13-1)
    at Notre Dame(8-5)
    at Hawaii(6-7)

    Show me ONE single game on that schedule that offers any evidence whatsoever that BYU is scheduling as many "winnable" games as possible.

    The truth is, Utah fans only use this "scheduling as many winnable games as you can" distortion of the true facts to conceal the embarrassment Utah fans have felt for how pathetically weak Utah's schedule has turned out to be in Utah's first two years in the PAC 12.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:34 p.m.

    Right Dr. Hill..."wink, wink"

  • chicagoborn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:04 p.m.

    So it seems like the Utah basketball is taking a page out of the BYU football scheduling procedure. Schedule as many winnable games as you can. Then, at the end of the year when you have battled through your schedule which consisted of mostly cupcakes, you can fool the rest of the country into thinking you were actually a decent team. It worked for BYU. Let's see if it works for Utah basketball.
    "BYU seeks out the best to play." Ha! I may be way off here, but I don't think I would consider Idaho St, New Mexico St, and Idaho East Community College the "best." No wonder BYU is desperate to play the U.

  • AntelopeValleyUte Palmdale, CA
    July 14, 2012 10:43 p.m.

    Agreed Dr. Hill! Enough said.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:34 p.m.

    In your dreams, cougars. In 2014 we play 10 of 11 games scheduled agains BCS teams including; Michigan, USC, Oregon, Stanford, UCLA, Washington, Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon State, and our in-state rival Utah State. And in desperation to imporove your schedule you play the "afraid to play BYU card"?! (In 2014 the Y schedule, as of now, is Texas, Boise State, Hawaii, Utah State, UCF, Houston, and Southern Mississippi.)

    Dr. Hill, as a Utah fan, I say schedule any team in Texas and tell Sam Tevi, and other recruits, the game is for them.

  • thunder struck Murray, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:03 p.m.

    I agree, I don't thin he is doing what's best. Utah's results against byu have nothing to do with the goal of winning the PAC-12 or going to the Rose Bowl. Even so, I think Utah would beat byu 4 out of 5 for the indefinite future.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:02 p.m.

    Unapologetic to whom Doctor?

    BYU fans, who never sought an apology in the first place?


    Utah fans, who are privately embarrassed by having to explain why Utah is too afraid to play BYU?

  • Wendall Hoop Murray, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:00 p.m.

    Chris - Utah fans want to play the game. I'm sorry but you don't know what's best or else you would have byu on schedule every single year, regardless of the other games. Even with Michigan there are still two spots left. Thanks for diluting the rivalry and a great portion of what it means to be a Utah fan. You are wrong and there's no debating that. thank you for scheduling michigan, but you should man up and have done byu as well. weak.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 14, 2012 8:54 p.m.

    "We're playing to do great in the Pac-12," he [Chris Hill] said. "That's our goal right now."

    So how does playing an OOC game against your natural rival affect your ability to do "great" in the PAC 12?

    You're just going to have to live with the embarrassment of running away from your rival, because, as you said so yourself, Utah isn't good enough to play Michigan and BYU in the same season.

    After all of the chesting beating and whining and excuse making, bottom line is, the Utes would rather be thought of as cowards, than risk losing to the Cougars and having their bowl hopes dashed.