Pac-12, Big Ten call off scheduling alliance


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  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 22, 2012 9:14 a.m.

    One week later and it is still hilarious. LOL!

    Oh and tomahawk pink, BYU is finalizing a home and home with wisconsin. Kinda disproves your "point" now doesn't it. LOL!

  • Tomahawk Red North Salt Lake, UT
    July 21, 2012 10:44 p.m.

    Springville, UT

    Without an agreement who would want to voluntarily come to Uteville, play in a rinky dink stadium and have it televised on KJZZ?

    Big 10 found out something and has decided to run the other way. Hilarious!"


    Your posts certainly are, indeed, hilarious. To be sure.

    If the Big Ten doesn't want to play the Pac 12, they certainly won't ever consider playing a mid-major cupcake like Brigham Young. And having to watch their games on a totally invisible channel like BYUtv. Ha ha ha.

    The funny thing is BYU fans don't realize that by bashing Utah they are actually slamming BYU as well.

    THAT is hilarious. Chew on that for a while Sammie.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 18, 2012 5:08 p.m.

    Ducky... it's just as funny today as it was a few days ago.

  • m.g. scott LAYTON, UT
    July 17, 2012 10:04 a.m.

    As a USC fan and from just a football point of view, I wish/hope that this will apply to the Rose Bowl game. As long as we have the BCS system, I want all the Bowl games, including the Rose Bowl to have two of the top 8 teams in the nation playing. I don't want the bowl to have a weaker Big 10 or Pac 12 team playing because of tradition.

    Also as a tweek to the Ohio State people, I think that OSU does not want to play a Pac 12 team early because it could upset their quest of undefeated record. They would rather play Ball State, or Akron rather than chance an early loss to SC, Oregon, Cal, or Stanford.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 16, 2012 10:14 a.m.


    "The truth is, no one on this comment thread knows if one conference or the other wanted out of this arrangement more than the other. PERIOD."

    So you doubt larry scott? SACRILEGE!

    larry scott said it was the pac12 that pulled out and yes I tend to doubt guys that have to claim it was all them and no one else had anything to do with it. Delaney stated it was just to tough logistically for everyone, scott proclaimed it was just the pac12 that couldn't fit in the big 10.

    But whatever the reasons are, now, several days later, it is still hilarious. After all the boastful utah "fans" proclomations and pronouncements over the last year it is incredibly funny.


    July 16, 2012 9:57 a.m.

    flynn is the coolest

    I wouldn't be suprised that Texas tries to opt out also. Absolutley no reason to come and play nothing that belongs to nothing, your last 20 years are no big deal.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 15, 2012 5:51 p.m.

    Toosmart for you

    Too smart for who? Your "NC" is considered one of the the worst ones in history by many, many people outside of Utah and in the world of college football. Google The most undeserved National Championships in NCAA football history. BYU is right up there near the top. And it perfectly explains why. And your Heisman didn't do squat in the NFL. So what has the Y done lately? You guys always have to bring up the CU and UNLV games to makes yourselves feel better. Which is pretty ridiculous. And a top 25 finish in the coaches poll by beating nobody. No top 25 in final BCS standings.

    The BCS is going down, but the Utes will still be tied into the Rose bowl, and it will most likely be even harder for the Indy-WACers to get into the NC without any conference affiliation. So you guys keep your "NC" and your Heisman, because we live in the now, like this century. Be more proud of what you've done lately, not thirty years ago. Have fun playing the Idaho States and the New Mexico States to get into the top 25 again.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 15, 2012 7:12 a.m.

    B C

    Yes BYU does play some pretty decent teams this year. But what about November? That is mainly what I meant. A few decent/good teams mixed with a bunch of weak WAC teams. And yes, Utah isn't brave enough to play the Y. I can see why that is. Because we all know what happened last year. Let me end with the same thing quackhunter always ends with.
    LOL! LOL!
    Oh and...LOL!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 15, 2012 12:23 a.m.

    @ Wallbanger

    So you're calling me a liar.

    Well, here's a true statement: I'd rather have a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy Winner than two BCS Bowl vistories and also have a Top 25 Finish as an independent than being in the PAC 12 and losing at home to Colorado, the worst road team in America the last 4 years until visiting SLC.

    The BCS is going down---so congrats on putting all your eggs into that basket (and the "we will play the Big 10 annually" basket). How's that crow taste?

    Remember the UNLV 0 - 27 debacle a few years ago in Vegas? That's the one where your head coach said he "didn't know why they lost." That was humorous to be sure!! Conveniently that never gets mentioned, only the 6 - 9 BYU record against San Jose State.

    I'd be careful about who you declare to be a "liar." Keep the rhetoric somewhat believable, at least.

  • Veracity Morgan, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    Good news...it would be tuff to play Minnesota and the College of Eastern Utah in one year...

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:55 p.m.


    It's laughable how from the comments in the article you can determine it was the Big 10 who wanted out of the deal and not the Pac 12. And then you go a step further and pretend to know that Larry Scott's comment was a lie and only to save face.
    It sounds a lot like you were sitting in a conference room and were privy to the entire dialog between commissioners, AD's and coaches. I wish we could all be so lucky.
    Or wait, maybe you just have the same predetermined opinion of things that you like to accuse Utah fans of.
    Come on man, if you want to be "the balance" then try thinking without your cougar hat on once in a while. The truth is, no one on this comment thread knows if one conference or the other wanted out of this arrangement more than the other. PERIOD.
    Now there's some balance.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    I seem to recall a recent comment. It's appropriate for this latest development of the Big 10 backing out of this supposedly 'done deal'...

    'Need a tissue?'

    Bwaaaaaaaah! LOL

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 14, 2012 7:37 p.m.

    Soooo...this is how Utah fans react when they have egg all over their face.

  • IA Cougar West Des Moines, IA
    July 14, 2012 7:05 p.m.

    I would like to understand how Hill thinks the 9 games in the Pac12 are so difficult. It's a down conference with a few good teams, like most major conferences. But, the Pac12 is NOT difficult from top to bottom, that is for sure.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    July 14, 2012 6:53 p.m.

    Even though Utah beat BYU badly,

    they still do not consider BYU a patsy, and refuse to play them fro two years.

    Ponder that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 14, 2012 5:41 p.m.

    @naval vet

    The sincerity in Delaney's comments was obvious, it was just to difficult to convince the majority of the BIG 10 teams to play down in miniscule pac12 stadiums like utah's every other year, but Delaney calssily just said it was 'logistically' to tough for everyone involved and left it at that.

    On the otherhand the whiney insincerity in scott's comments were just as obvious. He immediately tried to claim that it was the PAC12 shutting things down and that they alone just couldn't find ample scheduling space for the BIG 10.

    Hilarious spin by scott, and you.


  • B C Park City, UT
    July 14, 2012 5:16 p.m.


    "Congratulations from this Utes fan for the 400 millionth time on your TV deal. But who cares about that when you play nobody"

    U do,

    because you're probably intelligent enough to figure out that Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Boise State, West Virginia, Hawaii, Houston, and Utah (when they're brave enough to play us) aren't "nobody".

    Congratulations from this BYU fan for the 500 millionth time on your invitation to the PAC 12; it would be more impressive if the Utes actually did something in the conference - like finish with a winning record in something besides women's gymnastics.

    Meanwhile, 11 of BYU's 13 games last season were televised by ESPN, and 5 games have already been scheduled for this season, so quite obviously, the BYU-ESPN partnership isn't simply a BYU fan pipedream.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2012 4:08 p.m.

    @True Blue

    "Fortunately, BYU doesn't have to worry about such minutia with its ESPN partnership and BYUtv available to pick up the one or two games that aren't nationally broadcast on ESPN or NBC."

    OK, congratulations from this Utes fan for the 400 millionth time on your TV deal. But who cares about that when you play nobody. Any BYU "fan" that wouldn't trade the Utes places, is a liar! I like watching the Y, but I think they are really heading downhill. I would rather appreciate the quality of teams the Utes are playing and conference affiliation than BYUtv or ESPN late night Friday games.

    The PAC 12 TV deal will take off in a huge way. It may or will most likely take some time to get everything ironed out. But it will all work itself out eventually. Yes, it is not currently on Direct or Dish yet, but tell me how you know it won't be?? I hope you're not using that same crystal ball predicting BYU's NC for the last five seasons, or Heaps for Heisman. Again, thank you for letting us expose you on ESPN last season. GO UTES!!

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 14, 2012 3:38 p.m.

    All this did was save Indiana and Minnesota trips to RES in 2017 and beyond. One of the things that brought this deal down was the reluctance of premier B1G teams to be forced to play on the road in little stadiums in SLC, Pullman, Corvalis and Tucson...they don't want to play in RES when they could beat cupcakes at hom in front of 100,000 or more fans.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 14, 2012 3:36 p.m.

    Johnny Triumph "I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they come crawling back looking for games."

    I look forward to that day too. The Utes will be so sad in 2017 when BYU gets to say the rivalry is over before the Utes.

    July 14, 2012 2:48 p.m.


    You write "I have no doubt Utah "fans" will be seeing a steady dose of northern colorado's instead of big 10 teams going forward."

    I'm sure that one game compares favorably to BYU's steady diet of Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Central Florida, etc. each year

    @phoenix, bluto


  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 14, 2012 2:15 p.m.


    "And I do not believe larry scott's excuse. It was the big10 much more than the pac12 that decided it was not worth it."

    According to BigTen commissioner Jim Delany, "...the complications associated with coordinating a non-conference football schedule for 24 teams across two conferences proved to be too difficult."

    Larry Scott said, "...the Pac-12 came to the conclusion that it's in our best interests to maintain our nine-game conference schedule and maximum flexibility in out-of-conference scheduling."

    Since schools like USC and Stanford have annual matchups with Notre Dame, that would leave their scheduling flexibility to ONE O.O.C. game/season. All you Indy-WACey fans pointing to USC's and Stanford's rivalries with Notre Dame as reason why we should continue our former rivalry are now being shown that THEY don't want to do it either. Only in THEIR case, they'd rather dump the B1G opponent than ND. The UTES would rather dump the Y than a B1G. And that probably hasn't changed. I think we'd still rather play a B1G team than you. I know that'd MY preference anyway.

    July 14, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    AS BYU and Utah are no longer rivals - because Utah felt they had a better road to travel. I am sorry for the Utes and the loss that this bring to their University.

    It would have been nice for my former rival to have enjoyed such big games with Big Ten foes. Unfortunately that will not happen now.

    That is just a disappointment for the Utes and I am sorry for the loss of revenue that tis will bring to the State.

    As I will continue to say - now that we no longer play one another - it would seem classy for us to hope the best for the other. I hope you find good games to replace it with in the years to come.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 14, 2012 12:51 p.m.


    "Without an agreement who would want to voluntarily come to Uteville, play in a rinky dink stadium and have it televised on KJZZ?"

    Have you STILL not opened your eyes to the Pac 12 television contract? I've never seen one person remain in such denial over something so completely and obviously incorrect for such a long period of time.

    I'd suggest moving past the tv topic if you want to have an ounce of credibility to your other thoughts/comments.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:22 a.m.


    We BYU fans don't recall seeing the PAC 12 TV network available on any cable or satelite systems. Call us when that happens, especially the PAC 12 "regional networks" where we can expect to see most of Utah's PAC 12 games.

    Promises about the availabilty of the regional PAC 12 networks sound suspiciously like the promises we heard about the MTN - long a promises, short on delivery.

    Fortunately, BYU doesn't have to worry about such minutia with its ESPN partnership and BYUtv available to pick up the one or two games that aren't nationally broadcast on ESPN or NBC.

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    It just means that partnership won't be "official" Regardless, the alliance was set to kick in until 2017 anyway.

  • Wallbanger Spanish Fork, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:03 a.m.


    We Ute fans don't recall the PAC 12 TV network to be affiliate with KJZZ...nice try though. With or without the Big 10 agreement, the Utes will do just fine if not better. Thanks for your continued obsession and jealousy of the Utes. Keep it up!!

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    July 14, 2012 10:02 a.m.

    Wow, that's embarrassing. Now we see where Utah gets the whole turning tail and running move from. I'm sure this is so they can be sure to schedule enough FCS and DIV II cream puffs.

    And they call themselves "COC", the Conference of Champions. You know what else COC stands for? Conference of Cowards. Way to duck and run!

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 14, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    So, the 2017 rivalry game is still up for grabs. Oh, it was up for grabs yesterday too. This didn't change a thing between Utah and BYU for the next five years at least. Our we really that desperate to comment about 2017?

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    Johnny Triumph "I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they come crawling back looking for games."

    Me too. It's fun to watch the Y overreact every time the U makes a move.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    On the national scene they were saying that the PAC would certainly have to go to an 8 game conference schedule to keep the Big 10 deal. With the new final four contest this may still have to be the case.

    I am sure they didn't want to just swap the ninth PAC-12 game for a required Big 10 game. Shows that other teams in the PAC were also having difficulties with the tight schedule.

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:50 a.m.

    Good. Maybe this opens the door for out rivalry to be played. The ball's in Utah's court.

    Sadly, I think Utah finds a way to dodge out of the rivalry still. I guess only time will tell.

  • yarrlydarb Ogden, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:44 a.m.


    To heck with tradition!

    Who care's about natural rivalries?

    Let's go for the money!

  • Chris from Rose Park PROVO, UT
    July 14, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Why is it that some people think BYU fans only want the BYU-Utah game to happen for scheduling purposes? Sure, it helps BYU's SOS but that's not why I want them to play the game. I want them to play because, I love the game year in and year out. Please don't pretend this is only Y fans opinion, because there have been plenty of U fans posting they also wish the rivalry can continue.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 14, 2012 7:29 a.m.

    What's more embarassing than this for Utah? Check out their pre-season basketball schedule, I mean I can understand a few patsies, but this schedules screams weak.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 14, 2012 6:45 a.m.

    How embarassing for Utah. Now there is zero reason to not schedule BYU ( as if this were a reason to begin with). Utah has shown it's true colors, so have the ute fans, and it was ugly.

  • MidMajor4ever Syracuse, UT
    July 14, 2012 12:55 a.m.

    What's up with little brother's fan base posting about something that totally has nothing to do with their mid-major program? Obsession?

    Fans of the other mid-major programs in the state aren't continually obsessing over PAC-12 news, why are you? Mid-major trolls, go comment on your own WCC and WAC articles.

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 14, 2012 12:12 a.m.

    This isn't the first time the PAC 10 (10.2) has had to reverse course. (Remember when they wanted to get the Big 12 to implode and form a 16-team conference? They had already invited Colorado and had to get to 12 teams somehow so they invited Utah, who lost to Colorado---as in #12 losing to #11), and presto--they had 12 teams. Nice save, Larry.

    This just reinforces what Dr. Hill has said all along--Utah can't afford to lose to BYU. Period.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:55 p.m.

    All the hype about the Big 10 coming to town and now this?

    Too funny and the spin to the abyss of mediocrity continues.

    Without an agreement who would want to voluntarily come to Uteville, play in a rinky dink stadium and have it televised on KJZZ?

    Big 10 found out something and has decided to run the other way. Hilarious!

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    July 13, 2012 11:35 p.m.

    Y be a little brother in Sandy once again obsessing about the Utes, how cute. Your handle is ironic to say the least based upon this being soley a Ute story as your team is not in The PAC 12. Your continued obsession with Utes is appreciated and understood as they are the best team in Utah. As to the BIG 10 deal going by the wayside I say the Utes can still schedule home and home games against premire programs (i.e. Michigan) without a formal legue to legue arrangement so no need to schedule the common-law WAC team in Provo; Utah does not owe BYU any favors.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin


    A few more years of 4-5 conference finishes and a couple of years with losing seasons and no bowl games, and the Utes will be begging the Cougars to return to RES to help them fill their crackbox-sized stadium.

    Utah fans have completely misread the tea leaves.

    BYU fans aren't angry or frustrated, simply disappointed in the arrogance and cowardice of our little brothers wanting to run away from the rivalry.

    BYU doesn't "need" U - never has, and never will!

    Unfortunately for U, the significant portion of Utah fans who are really just BYU haters - you know who you are - are totally dependent on BYU to be their foil.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    Interesting that an independant (Notre Dame) brought both conferences to their knees. Stanford and USC no the value of a qulity rival Hill does not.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 13, 2012 8:50 p.m.

    Save your breath, Y fans...we're still not going to schedule you. We'll find another cupcake to feast on before we schedule you. Maybe an FCS school will prove to be a better challenge than an independent low-major that loses by 44.

    You see, us dropping you really has nothing to do with scheduling issues - that's just a red herring that Chris Hill tells the media. The truth is, we just don't like you. We hope you understand.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 8:12 p.m.

    No reason for Michigan to play Utah now.
    Will they back out next?

    Scott didn't want more losses for his Pac 11.1 teams.

    With half of their tams under water, they can't risk even more beatdowns the Big 10 would have surely put on them.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    July 13, 2012 7:45 p.m.

    Great timing for the Utes getting that 2-for-1 with Michigan scheduled before the BiG-Pac alliance fell apart.

  • Joe Schmoe Orem, UT
    July 13, 2012 7:33 p.m.

    Hill admitted himself that they didn't want to schedule BYU because that would make their schedule too tough.

    Hilarious stuff coming from the Hill.

    Maybe they can follow the basketball team and play Stonybrook farm. Oh wait, I think the Utah basketball team lost that game.

    I think SUU has an opening.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 13, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    That's bad news, even worse than postponing the rivalry!

    I was really looking forward to a Big 10 match up starting in 2017. Oh well, I won't cry about it. It just means now we have 3 more open games starting in 2017. Hopefully, we can get another series like Michigan.

    Until then I'll guess I'll just have to be content with games against USC, Oregon, Michigan, Stanford, Washington, Cal, and my other alum-mater Arizona State.

  • regis Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    Good news for the Utah-BYU rivalry.

    I don't think either Chris Hill or Kyle Whittingham want to destroy the rivalry. But I understand their worries about "over-scheduling" in the face of a tough, nine-game conference schedule plus another against someone in the Big 10.

    I'd personally like to see Utah playing BYU and USU every year in addition to its PAC 12 schedule, then maybe throw in one of the old MWC rivals like Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, etc.

    And for the grumbling BYU fans, maybe its well to remember how self-serving BYU has been in the past. Remember when BYU, wanting to upgrade its schedule, decided it could no longer afford a USU game every year? Did Cougar fans and administrators care much about Aggie feelings on the issue? And how about the decision to go independent last year, and behind-the-scenes maneuvering that could have pulled the rug out from the entire Mountain West Conference.

    It's big-time sports, involving big-time money. Everyone - including BYU - is making decisions based on perceived self-interest.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 5:26 p.m.


    "... reality is that Utah has made enough strides as a program and has gained enough clout due to their new conference affiliation that big name teams are now considering the Utes with home and home series."

    I'd write more but I can't stop laughing! Utah. Clout. That's a good one.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 13, 2012 4:55 p.m.


    What is Utah's excuse for being 0-7 all time against Washington?

    BYU 23 Washington 17

    Utah 14 Washington 31

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:55 p.m.


    You seem to have latched on to the BYU is 6-9 versus San Jose St. shtick. You find a way to weave it into almost every post.

    While we're on the subject of rhetorical questions about losing records to WAC opponents, care to offer an explanation as to the U having a 4-5 record against Nevada?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 13, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    What's Utah going to use as an excuse not to play BYU now?


    What is BYUs excuse for having a 6-9 all time record against San Jose St?

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:27 p.m.

    I was looking forward to the B1G apponent each year. What this does do for Utah is give them three games to schedule each year. First, I hope we schedule one (or two) games each year in areas where we recruit! Secondly, Schedule a "C" opponent to provide an opportunity to develop the team prior to the rigors of conference play. Third, schedule a "top" opponent for other major conferences and independents (e.g. I'd love to play Army - just as I considered it a honor to play Air Force and Navy.

  • Jenny83 OGDEN, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:23 p.m.

    It's all good - Byu fans need to get ready to watch all those fun WAC home games they will have this year! Enjoy that!

  • longversion SANDY, UT
    July 13, 2012 3:12 p.m.

    What's Utah going to use as an excuse not to play BYU now?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:57 p.m.

    Well not to say I told you so....but I told you so,months ago. And I do not believe larry scott's excuse. It was the big10 much more than the pac12 that decided it was not worth it. They did not want to play in puny stadiums in front of puny fanbases. I'm sure a couple of the pac12 teams that are relevent, like usc, didn't want it either.

    That said, this is a real kick in the gut to naval vet, hedgehog and co. LOL!

    All the bluster was for naught. I have no doubt utah "fans" will be seeing a steady dose of northern colorado's instead of big 10 teams going forward.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:53 p.m.

    Now that's funny! I would call that karma if I wasn't of a different faith. I will settle for ironic though.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 2:23 p.m.


    Nice try ... Utah's new agreement with Michigan wasn't remotely on the radar when the two teams last played which makes this new deal with them very much a home and home.
    Start dealing with reality ... reality is that Utah has made enough strides as a program and has gained enough clout due to their new conference affiliation that big name teams are now considering the Utes with home and home series.
    Keep looking for ways to spin things to keep your blue tinted world as pretty and happy as you can, but reality makes each of your comments look silly to anyone with a level head.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 13, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    Very interesting fact? We Utes will wait and see. Urban and Kwhit have been talking a lot lately. Utah is playing Michigan in 2014-15. I hope the mighty Utes play Ohio State after that. BYU is not even in the rearview mirror anymore. They have had the door shut by Utah.

  • JustGordon Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:55 p.m.

    It is unfortunate that posters to this article think that Dr. Hill's explanations are excuses. To use such a pejorative term is unfair since it wrongly casts Dr. Hill being caught red handed doing something for which there is no explanation.

    Dr. Hill's sole responsibility is to manage well the Utah's athletic programs, of which the football program is the flagship money earner. He is rightly trying to put together a schedule that best meets the needs of his program. One of his chief concerns is balancing his schedule so that it is reasonably difficult but not suicidal. The major football conferences have done this for along time. Since football games are scheduled many years out, it only now, after PAC12 membership that Dr. Hill is re-evaluating.

    Dr. Hill is under no requirement to help BYU meet its scheduling needs, which seem to be great given that only the WAC wants much of an on going schedule with the Y. All other major powers are willing to play the Y only on a 2 for 1 basis. That's the Y's problem, not the U's. The Holy War in the future maybe collateral damage.

  • Mike W Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:54 p.m.

    Love the BYU fans... as irrational as ever!

    This is great news for BYU, and their fans are still complaining and bashing Utah... at least now BYU can get Utah back on the schedule as they need the scheduling help far more than Utah now being independent.

    For Utah it's wash or a gain too... instead of seeing Illinois, Purdue, Wisconsin, etc. you get BYU again most likely, which is fine.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:16 p.m.


    "So that Michigan home-and-home series the Utes just announced is not in your alternate universe?"

    How does that make you Big time? Your "home and home" with Michigan is like our home and home with Texas- it's preceded by a 1 and done. I wouldn't be surprised if Michigan opts to buyout the trip to RES.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    July 13, 2012 1:07 p.m.


    I wish the Pac 12 had pushed to make an annual contest with the Big 10, and changed from a 9-game to an 8-game conference schedule.

    Maybe this will make the Utah-BYU rivalry more likely to continue.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 1:00 p.m.


    So that Michigan home-and-home series the Utes just announced is not in your alternate universe?

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:57 p.m.

    On a few of the Pac 12 boards, some of the other schools were complaining about how hard it is to schedule old rivalries. This may allow BYU back on the schedule after the two years.

    The one thing that won't change are the late October and November scheduling for BYU as the Pac 12 and their bag of gold won't allow us to change. At least not now. Maybe Larry Scott will allow a late season rivalry game like the Stanford, Notre Dame game.

    Can't wait for football

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    @ Johny triumph
    What are you talking about? Chris Hill just said this week that the Pac 12 Big 10 agreement was not looking good. He was obviously stating an informed opinion.
    As far as your statement "I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they come crawling back looking for games". BYU is not in a position to big time anybody these days, get use to it.

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:49 p.m.

    @ JohnInSLC

    I didn't say anything about BYU -although I am not pretentious enough to consider them big time when compared to ND, USC or tOSU. How does tOSU benefit from playing at WazzU- ever? Look up stadium sizes and fan bases of each school involved and you figure who benefits from the deal- and thus why it didn't work out. And yes, I am saying Utah fans are pretentious if they think they're suddenly "big time."

    BTW- BYU doesn't need Utah's help with it's September schedule. We can get big time opponents during that month without U.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Tom, that'll be Lithuania calling later today.

    Hope to see a lot more pac 12 games on the schedule for BYU in the coming years because of this coming down. Possibly very good news for BYU's future schedule.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 13, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    Its ok BYU fans.
    This in no way will affect the cougars scheduling alliance with WAC teams.
    BYU needs to keep up its legacy of bottom feeding on cellar dwellers!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:44 p.m.

    As a Ute fan this doesn't bother me at all. I'm glad we'll now have the flexibility to play BYU. Utah can still schedule brand name teams to home and home arrangements where the game played at RES better coincides with the seasons we have 4 Pac 12 home games. To me, this is great news.
    By the way, Flynn & Johnny, your comments are ridiculous and have zero merit.

  • Anne26 West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:20 p.m.

    This announcement actually strengthens Utah's argument that the PAC-12, schedule as it stands, leaves little room for guaranteed games. Truly, if the PAC-12 finds it difficult to find room for the Big 12, then it is no surprise that Utah will have a hard time finding room for BYU. Utah will have no problem filling their schedule moving forward, and this doesn't mean they won't be playing Big 12 teams in the future. They just won't be locked in year to year.

    I'm excited for the future of Utah football!!

    July 13, 2012 12:19 p.m.

    Johnny and SpaceCadet, the proposed collaboration wouldn't have started until 2017 anyway, and this doesn't affect the series with Michigan. Nice try, though!

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 13, 2012 12:16 p.m.

    ". . . big time schools don't want to play teams with puny fan bases in puny stadiums."


    So are you admitting that either the Y is not a big time school or the Utes don't have a puny fan base? Because with all the angst you Y fans have shown about the 2 year rivalry hiatus, it's pretty clear the Y is desperate to play the U regularly.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they come crawling back looking for games. This is really amusing and shows that the U is NOT part of things in the PAC

  • flynn is the coolest Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:41 a.m.

    It didn't work out because big time schools don't want to play teams with puny fan bases in puny stadiums.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 13, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    Truely disappointing.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 13, 2012 11:06 a.m.

    Hmmm... maybe Tom's going to get a call from Chris? :P

  • SpaceCowboy69 Syracuse, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    Wasn't this one of the excuses that Dr. Chris Hill gave for not scheduling BYU?? Maybe this will allow them to keep the rivalry.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    I wonder if Dr Hill and Kwitt got this news before they called the cougs?

  • aljmac Salt Lake City, UT
    July 13, 2012 10:56 a.m.

    Bummer. Sincerely disappointing.

    I hope they still move forward with a partnership that may not be as aggressive, but still pits the two conferences against each other in diverse sports. It would provide for some great matchups.