Bummer. Sincerely disappointing.I hope they still move forward with
a partnership that may not be as aggressive, but still pits the two conferences
against each other in diverse sports. It would provide for some great matchups.
I wonder if Dr Hill and Kwitt got this news before they called the cougs?
Wasn't this one of the excuses that Dr. Chris Hill gave for not scheduling
BYU?? Maybe this will allow them to keep the rivalry.
Hmmm... maybe Tom's going to get a call from Chris? :P
It didn't work out because big time schools don't want to play teams
with puny fan bases in puny stadiums.
I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they come crawling back
looking for games. This is really amusing and shows that the U is NOT part of
things in the PAC
". . . big time schools don't want to play teams with puny fan bases in
puny stadiums."flynn: So are you admitting that
either the Y is not a big time school or the Utes don't have a puny fan
base? Because with all the angst you Y fans have shown about the 2 year rivalry
hiatus, it's pretty clear the Y is desperate to play the U regularly.
Johnny and SpaceCadet, the proposed collaboration wouldn't have started
until 2017 anyway, and this doesn't affect the series with Michigan. Nice
This announcement actually strengthens Utah's argument that the PAC-12,
schedule as it stands, leaves little room for guaranteed games. Truly, if the
PAC-12 finds it difficult to find room for the Big 12, then it is no surprise
that Utah will have a hard time finding room for BYU. Utah will have no problem
filling their schedule moving forward, and this doesn't mean they
won't be playing Big 12 teams in the future. They just won't be
locked in year to year.I'm excited for the future of Utah
As a Ute fan this doesn't bother me at all. I'm glad we'll now
have the flexibility to play BYU. Utah can still schedule brand name teams to
home and home arrangements where the game played at RES better coincides with
the seasons we have 4 Pac 12 home games. To me, this is great news. By the
way, Flynn & Johnny, your comments are ridiculous and have zero merit.
Its ok BYU fans.This in no way will affect the cougars scheduling alliance
with WAC teams.BYU needs to keep up its legacy of bottom feeding on cellar
Tom, that'll be Lithuania calling later today. Hope to see a
lot more pac 12 games on the schedule for BYU in the coming years because of
this coming down. Possibly very good news for BYU's future schedule.
@ JohnInSLCI didn't say anything about BYU -although I am not
pretentious enough to consider them big time when compared to ND, USC or tOSU.
How does tOSU benefit from playing at WazzU- ever? Look up stadium sizes and
fan bases of each school involved and you figure who benefits from the deal- and
thus why it didn't work out. And yes, I am saying Utah fans are
pretentious if they think they're suddenly "big time."BTW- BYU doesn't need Utah's help with it's September schedule.
We can get big time opponents during that month without U.
@ Johny triumphWhat are you talking about? Chris Hill just said this week
that the Pac 12 Big 10 agreement was not looking good. He was obviously stating
an informed opinion.As far as your statement "I hope BYU doesn't
give them the time of day when they come crawling back looking for games".
BYU is not in a position to big time anybody these days, get use to it.
On a few of the Pac 12 boards, some of the other schools were complaining about
how hard it is to schedule old rivalries. This may allow BYU back on the
schedule after the two years. The one thing that won't change
are the late October and November scheduling for BYU as the Pac 12 and their bag
of gold won't allow us to change. At least not now. Maybe Larry Scott will
allow a late season rivalry game like the Stanford, Notre Dame game. Can't wait for football
flynn:So that Michigan home-and-home series the Utes just announced
is not in your alternate universe?
Bummer.I wish the Pac 12 had pushed to make an annual contest with
the Big 10, and changed from a 9-game to an 8-game conference schedule.Maybe this will make the Utah-BYU rivalry more likely to continue.
@JohnInSLC"So that Michigan home-and-home series the Utes just
announced is not in your alternate universe?" How does that
make you Big time? Your "home and home" with Michigan is like our home
and home with Texas- it's preceded by a 1 and done. I wouldn't be
surprised if Michigan opts to buyout the trip to RES.
Love the BYU fans... as irrational as ever!This is great news for
BYU, and their fans are still complaining and bashing Utah... at least now BYU
can get Utah back on the schedule as they need the scheduling help far more than
Utah now being independent. For Utah it's wash or a gain
too... instead of seeing Illinois, Purdue, Wisconsin, etc. you get BYU again
most likely, which is fine.
It is unfortunate that posters to this article think that Dr. Hill's
explanations are excuses. To use such a pejorative term is unfair since it
wrongly casts Dr. Hill being caught red handed doing something for which there
is no explanation.Dr. Hill's sole responsibility is to manage
well the Utah's athletic programs, of which the football program is the
flagship money earner. He is rightly trying to put together a schedule that
best meets the needs of his program. One of his chief concerns is balancing his
schedule so that it is reasonably difficult but not suicidal. The major
football conferences have done this for along time. Since football games are
scheduled many years out, it only now, after PAC12 membership that Dr. Hill is
re-evaluating.Dr. Hill is under no requirement to help BYU meet its
scheduling needs, which seem to be great given that only the WAC wants much of
an on going schedule with the Y. All other major powers are willing to play the
Y only on a 2 for 1 basis. That's the Y's problem, not the U's.
The Holy War in the future maybe collateral damage.
Very interesting fact? We Utes will wait and see. Urban and Kwhit have been
talking a lot lately. Utah is playing Michigan in 2014-15. I hope the mighty
Utes play Ohio State after that. BYU is not even in the rearview mirror anymore.
They have had the door shut by Utah.
Flynn,Nice try ... Utah's new agreement with Michigan
wasn't remotely on the radar when the two teams last played which makes
this new deal with them very much a home and home.Start dealing with
reality ... reality is that Utah has made enough strides as a program and has
gained enough clout due to their new conference affiliation that big name teams
are now considering the Utes with home and home series.Keep looking for
ways to spin things to keep your blue tinted world as pretty and happy as you
can, but reality makes each of your comments look silly to anyone with a level
Now that's funny! I would call that karma if I wasn't of a different
faith. I will settle for ironic though.
Well not to say I told you so....but I told you so,months ago. And I do not
believe larry scott's excuse. It was the big10 much more than the pac12
that decided it was not worth it. They did not want to play in puny stadiums in
front of puny fanbases. I'm sure a couple of the pac12 teams that are
relevent, like usc, didn't want it either.That said, this is a
real kick in the gut to naval vet, hedgehog and co. LOL!All the
bluster was for naught. I have no doubt utah "fans" will be seeing a
steady dose of northern colorado's instead of big 10 teams going forward.
What's Utah going to use as an excuse not to play BYU now?
It's all good - Byu fans need to get ready to watch all those fun WAC home
games they will have this year! Enjoy that!
I was looking forward to the B1G apponent each year. What this does do for Utah
is give them three games to schedule each year. First, I hope we schedule one
(or two) games each year in areas where we recruit! Secondly, Schedule a
"C" opponent to provide an opportunity to develop the team prior to the
rigors of conference play. Third, schedule a "top" opponent for other
major conferences and independents (e.g. I'd love to play Army - just as I
considered it a honor to play Air Force and Navy.
longversionSANDY, UTWhat's Utah going to use as an excuse not
to play BYU now?___________________What is BYUs excuse
for having a 6-9 all time record against San Jose St?
WACPaddingOurSchedule:You seem to have latched on to the BYU is 6-9
versus San Jose St. shtick. You find a way to weave it into almost every
post.While we're on the subject of rhetorical questions about
losing records to WAC opponents, care to offer an explanation as to the U having
a 4-5 record against Nevada?
WACpaddledWhat is Utah's excuse for being 0-7 all time against
Washington?2010BYU 23 Washington 172011Utah
14 Washington 31
@motorbike"... reality is that Utah has made enough strides as a
program and has gained enough clout due to their new conference affiliation that
big name teams are now considering the Utes with home and home series."I'd write more but I can't stop laughing! Utah. Clout.
That's a good one.
Good news for the Utah-BYU rivalry.I don't think either Chris
Hill or Kyle Whittingham want to destroy the rivalry. But I understand their
worries about "over-scheduling" in the face of a tough, nine-game
conference schedule plus another against someone in the Big 10.I'd personally like to see Utah playing BYU and USU every year in
addition to its PAC 12 schedule, then maybe throw in one of the old MWC rivals
like Wyoming, CSU, Air Force, etc.And for the grumbling BYU fans,
maybe its well to remember how self-serving BYU has been in the past. Remember
when BYU, wanting to upgrade its schedule, decided it could no longer afford a
USU game every year? Did Cougar fans and administrators care much about Aggie
feelings on the issue? And how about the decision to go independent last year,
and behind-the-scenes maneuvering that could have pulled the rug out from the
entire Mountain West Conference.It's big-time sports, involving
big-time money. Everyone - including BYU - is making decisions based on
That's bad news, even worse than postponing the rivalry! I was
really looking forward to a Big 10 match up starting in 2017. Oh well, I
won't cry about it. It just means now we have 3 more open games starting
in 2017. Hopefully, we can get another series like Michigan. Until
then I'll guess I'll just have to be content with games against USC,
Oregon, Michigan, Stanford, Washington, Cal, and my other alum-mater Arizona
Hill admitted himself that they didn't want to schedule BYU because that
would make their schedule too tough.Hilarious stuff coming from the
Hill.Maybe they can follow the basketball team and play Stonybrook
farm. Oh wait, I think the Utah basketball team lost that game.I
think SUU has an opening.
Great timing for the Utes getting that 2-for-1 with Michigan scheduled before
the BiG-Pac alliance fell apart.
No reason for Michigan to play Utah now.Will they back out next?Scott didn't want more losses for his Pac 11.1 teams.With
half of their tams under water, they can't risk even more beatdowns the Big
10 would have surely put on them.
Save your breath, Y fans...we're still not going to schedule you.
We'll find another cupcake to feast on before we schedule you. Maybe an
FCS school will prove to be a better challenge than an independent low-major
that loses by 44.You see, us dropping you really has nothing to do
with scheduling issues - that's just a red herring that Chris Hill tells
the media. The truth is, we just don't like you. We hope you understand.
Interesting that an independant (Notre Dame) brought both conferences to their
knees. Stanford and USC no the value of a qulity rival Hill does not.
Brave Sir RobinlolA few more years of 4-5 conference
finishes and a couple of years with losing seasons and no bowl games, and the
Utes will be begging the Cougars to return to RES to help them fill their
crackbox-sized stadium.Utah fans have completely misread the tea
leaves. BYU fans aren't angry or frustrated, simply
disappointed in the arrogance and cowardice of our little brothers wanting to
run away from the rivalry.BYU doesn't "need" U - never
has, and never will! Unfortunately for U, the significant portion of
Utah fans who are really just BYU haters - you know who you are - are totally
dependent on BYU to be their foil.
Y be a little brother in Sandy once again obsessing about the Utes, how cute.
Your handle is ironic to say the least based upon this being soley a Ute story
as your team is not in The PAC 12. Your continued obsession with Utes is
appreciated and understood as they are the best team in Utah. As to the BIG 10
deal going by the wayside I say the Utes can still schedule home and home games
against premire programs (i.e. Michigan) without a formal legue to legue
arrangement so no need to schedule the common-law WAC team in Provo; Utah does
not owe BYU any favors.
All the hype about the Big 10 coming to town and now this?Too funny
and the spin to the abyss of mediocrity continues. Without an
agreement who would want to voluntarily come to Uteville, play in a rinky dink
stadium and have it televised on KJZZ?Big 10 found out something and
has decided to run the other way. Hilarious!
This isn't the first time the PAC 10 (10.2) has had to reverse course.
(Remember when they wanted to get the Big 12 to implode and form a 16-team
conference? They had already invited Colorado and had to get to 12 teams
somehow so they invited Utah, who lost to Colorado---as in #12 losing to #11),
and presto--they had 12 teams. Nice save, Larry. This just
reinforces what Dr. Hill has said all along--Utah can't afford to lose to
What's up with little brother's fan base posting about something that
totally has nothing to do with their mid-major program? Obsession?Fans of the other mid-major programs in the state aren't continually
obsessing over PAC-12 news, why are you? Mid-major trolls, go comment on your
own WCC and WAC articles.
How embarassing for Utah. Now there is zero reason to not schedule BYU ( as if
this were a reason to begin with). Utah has shown it's true colors, so have
the ute fans, and it was ugly.
What's more embarassing than this for Utah? Check out their pre-season
basketball schedule, I mean I can understand a few patsies, but this schedules
Why is it that some people think BYU fans only want the BYU-Utah game to happen
for scheduling purposes? Sure, it helps BYU's SOS but that's not why
I want them to play the game. I want them to play because, I love the game year
in and year out. Please don't pretend this is only Y fans opinion, because
there have been plenty of U fans posting they also wish the rivalry can
Yeah!To heck with tradition!Who care's about
natural rivalries?Let's go for the money!
Good. Maybe this opens the door for out rivalry to be played. The ball's in
Utah's court.Sadly, I think Utah finds a way to dodge out of
the rivalry still. I guess only time will tell.
On the national scene they were saying that the PAC would certainly have to go
to an 8 game conference schedule to keep the Big 10 deal. With the new final
four contest this may still have to be the case.I am sure they
didn't want to just swap the ninth PAC-12 game for a required Big 10 game.
Shows that other teams in the PAC were also having difficulties with the tight
Johnny Triumph "I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they
come crawling back looking for games."Me too. It's fun to
watch the Y overreact every time the U makes a move.
So, the 2017 rivalry game is still up for grabs. Oh, it was up for grabs
yesterday too. This didn't change a thing between Utah and BYU for the
next five years at least. Our we really that desperate to comment about 2017?
Wow, that's embarrassing. Now we see where Utah gets the whole turning tail
and running move from. I'm sure this is so they can be sure to schedule
enough FCS and DIV II cream puffs.And they call themselves
"COC", the Conference of Champions. You know what else COC stands for?
Conference of Cowards. Way to duck and run!
@sammyg We Ute fans don't recall the PAC 12 TV network to be
affiliate with KJZZ...nice try though. With or without the Big 10 agreement, the
Utes will do just fine if not better. Thanks for your continued obsession and
jealousy of the Utes. Keep it up!!
It just means that partnership won't be "official" Regardless, the
alliance was set to kick in until 2017 anyway.
WallbangerWe BYU fans don't recall seeing the PAC 12 TV network
available on any cable or satelite systems. Call us when that happens,
especially the PAC 12 "regional networks" where we can expect to see
most of Utah's PAC 12 games.Promises about the availabilty of
the regional PAC 12 networks sound suspiciously like the promises we heard about
the MTN - long a promises, short on delivery.Fortunately, BYU
doesn't have to worry about such minutia with its ESPN partnership and
BYUtv available to pick up the one or two games that aren't nationally
broadcast on ESPN or NBC.
@sammyg"Without an agreement who would want to voluntarily come
to Uteville, play in a rinky dink stadium and have it televised on KJZZ?"Have you STILL not opened your eyes to the Pac 12 television contract?
I've never seen one person remain in such denial over something so
completely and obviously incorrect for such a long period of time.I'd suggest moving past the tv topic if you want to have an ounce of
credibility to your other thoughts/comments.
AS BYU and Utah are no longer rivals - because Utah felt they had a better road
to travel. I am sorry for the Utes and the loss that this bring to their
University.It would have been nice for my former rival to have
enjoyed such big games with Big Ten foes. Unfortunately that will not happen
now. That is just a disappointment for the Utes and I am sorry for
the loss of revenue that tis will bring to the State. As I will
continue to say - now that we no longer play one another - it would seem classy
for us to hope the best for the other. I hope you find good games to replace
it with in the years to come.
Duckhunter:"And I do not believe larry scott's excuse. It
was the big10 much more than the pac12 that decided it was not worth it."According to BigTen commissioner Jim Delany, "...the complications
associated with coordinating a non-conference football schedule for 24 teams
across two conferences proved to be too difficult."Larry Scott
said, "...the Pac-12 came to the conclusion that it's in our best
interests to maintain our nine-game conference schedule and maximum flexibility
in out-of-conference scheduling."Since schools like USC and
Stanford have annual matchups with Notre Dame, that would leave their scheduling
flexibility to ONE O.O.C. game/season. All you Indy-WACey fans pointing to
USC's and Stanford's rivalries with Notre Dame as reason why we should
continue our former rivalry are now being shown that THEY don't want to do
it either. Only in THEIR case, they'd rather dump the B1G opponent than
ND. The UTES would rather dump the Y than a B1G. And that probably hasn't
changed. I think we'd still rather play a B1G team than you. I know
that'd MY preference anyway.
@duckhunterYou write "I have no doubt Utah "fans" will
be seeing a steady dose of northern colorado's instead of big 10 teams
going forward." I'm sure that one game compares favorably
to BYU's steady diet of Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New Mexico
State, Central Florida, etc. each year@phoenix, bluto54-10
Johnny Triumph "I hope BYU doesn't give them the time of day when they
come crawling back looking for games."I look forward to that day
too. The Utes will be so sad in 2017 when BYU gets to say the rivalry is over
before the Utes.
All this did was save Indiana and Minnesota trips to RES in 2017 and beyond. One
of the things that brought this deal down was the reluctance of premier B1G
teams to be forced to play on the road in little stadiums in SLC, Pullman,
Corvalis and Tucson...they don't want to play in RES when they could beat
cupcakes at hom in front of 100,000 or more fans.
@True Blue "Fortunately, BYU doesn't have to worry about
such minutia with its ESPN partnership and BYUtv available to pick up the one or
two games that aren't nationally broadcast on ESPN or NBC."
OK, congratulations from this Utes fan for the 400 millionth time on your TV
deal. But who cares about that when you play nobody. Any BYU "fan" that
wouldn't trade the Utes places, is a liar! I like watching the Y, but I
think they are really heading downhill. I would rather appreciate the quality of
teams the Utes are playing and conference affiliation than BYUtv or ESPN late
night Friday games. The PAC 12 TV deal will take off in a huge
way. It may or will most likely take some time to get everything ironed out. But
it will all work itself out eventually. Yes, it is not currently on Direct or
Dish yet, but tell me how you know it won't be?? I hope you're not
using that same crystal ball predicting BYU's NC for the last five seasons,
or Heaps for Heisman. Again, thank you for letting us expose you on ESPN last
season. GO UTES!!
Wallbanger"Congratulations from this Utes fan for the 400
millionth time on your TV deal. But who cares about that when you play
nobody"U do, because you're probably
intelligent enough to figure out that Texas, Nebraska, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech,
Boise State, West Virginia, Hawaii, Houston, and Utah (when they're brave
enough to play us) aren't "nobody".Congratulations from
this BYU fan for the 500 millionth time on your invitation to the PAC 12; it
would be more impressive if the Utes actually did something in the conference -
like finish with a winning record in something besides women's
gymnastics.Meanwhile, 11 of BYU's 13 games last season were
televised by ESPN, and 5 games have already been scheduled for this season, so
quite obviously, the BYU-ESPN partnership isn't simply a BYU fan pipedream.
@naval vetThe sincerity in Delaney's comments was obvious, it
was just to difficult to convince the majority of the BIG 10 teams to play down
in miniscule pac12 stadiums like utah's every other year, but Delaney
calssily just said it was 'logistically' to tough for everyone
involved and left it at that.On the otherhand the whiney insincerity
in scott's comments were just as obvious. He immediately tried to claim
that it was the PAC12 shutting things down and that they alone just
couldn't find ample scheduling space for the BIG 10.Hilarious
spin by scott, and you.LOL!
Even though Utah beat BYU badly,they still do not consider BYU a
patsy, and refuse to play them fro two years.Ponder that.
I would like to understand how Hill thinks the 9 games in the Pac12 are so
difficult. It's a down conference with a few good teams, like most major
conferences. But, the Pac12 is NOT difficult from top to bottom, that is for
Soooo...this is how Utah fans react when they have egg all over their face.
I seem to recall a recent comment. It's appropriate for this latest
development of the Big 10 backing out of this supposedly 'done
deal'...'Need a tissue?'Bwaaaaaaaah! LOL
Ducky,It's laughable how from the comments in the article you
can determine it was the Big 10 who wanted out of the deal and not the Pac 12.
And then you go a step further and pretend to know that Larry Scott's
comment was a lie and only to save face.It sounds a lot like you were
sitting in a conference room and were privy to the entire dialog between
commissioners, AD's and coaches. I wish we could all be so lucky.Or
wait, maybe you just have the same predetermined opinion of things that you like
to accuse Utah fans of.Come on man, if you want to be "the
balance" then try thinking without your cougar hat on once in a while. The
truth is, no one on this comment thread knows if one conference or the other
wanted out of this arrangement more than the other. PERIOD.Now
there's some balance.
Good news...it would be tuff to play Minnesota and the College of Eastern Utah
in one year...
@ WallbangerSo you're calling me a liar. Well,
here's a true statement: I'd rather have a National Championship and
a Heisman Trophy Winner than two BCS Bowl vistories and also have a Top 25
Finish as an independent than being in the PAC 12 and losing at home to
Colorado, the worst road team in America the last 4 years until visiting SLC.
The BCS is going down---so congrats on putting all your eggs into
that basket (and the "we will play the Big 10 annually" basket).
How's that crow taste?Remember the UNLV 0 - 27 debacle a few
years ago in Vegas? That's the one where your head coach said he
"didn't know why they lost." That was humorous to be sure!!
Conveniently that never gets mentioned, only the 6 - 9 BYU record against San
Jose State.I'd be careful about who you declare to be a
"liar." Keep the rhetoric somewhat believable, at least.
B C Yes BYU does play some pretty decent teams this year. But what
about November? That is mainly what I meant. A few decent/good teams mixed with
a bunch of weak WAC teams. And yes, Utah isn't brave enough to play the Y.
I can see why that is. Because we all know what happened last year. Let me end
with the same thing quackhunter always ends with.LOL! LOL!Oh
Toosmart for you Too smart for who? Your "NC" is considered
one of the the worst ones in history by many, many people outside of Utah and in
the world of college football. Google The most undeserved National Championships
in NCAA football history. BYU is right up there near the top. And it perfectly
explains why. And your Heisman didn't do squat in the NFL. So what has the
Y done lately? You guys always have to bring up the CU and UNLV games to makes
yourselves feel better. Which is pretty ridiculous. And a top 25 finish in the
coaches poll by beating nobody. No top 25 in final BCS standings.
The BCS is going down, but the Utes will still be tied into the Rose bowl, and
it will most likely be even harder for the Indy-WACers to get into the NC
without any conference affiliation. So you guys keep your "NC" and your
Heisman, because we live in the now, like this century. Be more proud of what
you've done lately, not thirty years ago. Have fun playing the Idaho States
and the New Mexico States to get into the top 25 again.
flynn is the coolestI wouldn't be suprised that Texas tries to
opt out also. Absolutley no reason to come and play nothing that belongs to
nothing, your last 20 years are no big deal.
@motorbike"The truth is, no one on this comment thread knows if
one conference or the other wanted out of this arrangement more than the other.
PERIOD."So you doubt larry scott? SACRILEGE!larry
scott said it was the pac12 that pulled out and yes I tend to doubt guys that
have to claim it was all them and no one else had anything to do with it.
Delaney stated it was just to tough logistically for everyone, scott proclaimed
it was just the pac12 that couldn't fit in the big 10. But
whatever the reasons are, now, several days later, it is still hilarious. After
all the boastful utah "fans" proclomations and pronouncements over the
last year it is incredibly funny.LOL!
As a USC fan and from just a football point of view, I wish/hope that this will
apply to the Rose Bowl game. As long as we have the BCS system, I want all the
Bowl games, including the Rose Bowl to have two of the top 8 teams in the nation
playing. I don't want the bowl to have a weaker Big 10 or Pac 12 team
playing because of tradition. Also as a tweek to the Ohio State
people, I think that OSU does not want to play a Pac 12 team early because it
could upset their quest of undefeated record. They would rather play Ball
State, or Akron rather than chance an early loss to SC, Oregon, Cal, or
Ducky... it's just as funny today as it was a few days ago.
"sammygSpringville, UTWithout an agreement who would want
to voluntarily come to Uteville, play in a rinky dink stadium and have it
televised on KJZZ?Big 10 found out something and has decided to run
the other way. Hilarious!"-----------Your posts
certainly are, indeed, hilarious. To be sure.If the Big Ten
doesn't want to play the Pac 12, they certainly won't ever consider
playing a mid-major cupcake like Brigham Young. And having to watch their games
on a totally invisible channel like BYUtv. Ha ha ha.The funny thing
is BYU fans don't realize that by bashing Utah they are actually slamming
BYU as well.THAT is hilarious. Chew on that for a while Sammie.
One week later and it is still hilarious. LOL!Oh and tomahawk pink,
BYU is finalizing a home and home with wisconsin. Kinda disproves your
"point" now doesn't it. LOL!