Wow, there are a lot of byu fans crying about this but Lee Benson wins the
Biggest Cry Baby award. BTW Lee, not everyone is sad that there will be no game
anymore. Most people I've talked to are happy about it. I personally am
glad there won't be a game for two years, and frankly I wish the rivalry
would die completely. This rivalry is not fun. Despite the fact that Utah has
owned the series for the past 10 years, I still do not find the games fun to
watch. The whining from both sides just gets old. Both schools just need to move
on. Neither school owes the other anything.
A few things...Both Utah and BYU were well qualified to join the
PAC. But, BYU never had a chance as faith based institution. That's it,
it's not because Utah is a "research institution". When The PAC was
inviting Texas and Oklahoma, Baylor was left out for the same reason. The game should be played every year, at the end of the year. Utah should play
Colorado earlier in the season to make space for the game vs BYU. It could be
done. That's it. Just my two cents.
CG WOWThe field of biomedical informatics was
developed at the University of Utah. The Department of Biomedical Informatics
was created in 1964 - the first in the nation - In 1970, the
university's hospital established the first cerebrovascular disease unit in
the U.S. west of the Mississippi River. On December 1, 1982, the first
artificial heart implant was performed at the University of Utah (by Dr.
DeVries, mentioned above). Utah is known throughout the world as a leader in
the study of human genetics. The school has been involved in some of the
most valuable research in field, such as the sequencing of the tumor suppressor
genes responsible for breast cancer in the 1990's. WebPath, the
world's most popular pathology education website, was created in 1994 by
Edward C. Klatt, a professor in the Department of Pathology at the time.
Advanced Wilderness Life Support (AWLS) is a certification course created at the
University of Utah in 1997 The John A. Moran Eye Center annually ranks
among national leaders in research grants from the National Institutes of
Health. From 2000 to 2010, the residency training program in
diagnostic radiology has been ranked #1 in the world by the American Board of
:-)It will be interesting to see how BYU's football team fairs
over the next decade. Whether it continues as an independent or joins some
conference it likely won't ever again be in the same conference with U of
U. The U of U is trying a new strategy (and it doesn't include BYU). As a
result BYU is stuck reacting to the U of U's choices.I
personally don't care a lot for either school (go USU), but I think it will
be very instructive/entertaining to watch BYU deal with rough realities of
Hey Utah, how's that bowl of pottage working out for u?
This doesn't even make sense at all. I'm a Utah fan and I love the
rivalry. But we're really going back 2 years to argue that BYU was the
Pac's choice over Utah? BYU was not ever invited. It never got to
negotiating the Sundays issue. In the article he says that Kyle runs the best
program this side of Tuscaloosa and yet says BYU has the better program. Sure
BYU had a better program for 20+ years under Lavell but no one ever talks about
the 60 years before that. And since Lavell it's been fairly even if not
better for the Utes. In the last few years it's no question (ex. 7 of last
10). I really wish the rivalry could stay but I see why it won't and BYU
needs to grow up and get over the fact that they got left out of the PAC-12.
BYU would be doing the same exact thing if this was reversed.
@ NC FROGS 2010"Thanks for the 2 for 1...we'll continue
home and homes in 2016 and we'll let you go first!"Nice
spin! Even though that isn't true. It's like me saying:2016:BYU @ UtahThanks for the 1 and done! Here are the facts:Since Utah joined the Pac-12 and BYU declared
Irrelevance. Chris Hill and Tom Holmoe signed a two year agreement. Utah @ BYU - 2011BYU @ Utah - 2012.This week both AD's
say they're finalizing a contract to play in 2013 and 2016.Utah
@ BYU - 2013BYU @ Utah - 2016I don't know why you think
it's a 2 for 1 when only two games are going to be scheduled. But it must
be a BYU spin thing. lol.
@Solomon LeviThat's ONE year. Utah had the 2nd best winning
percentage vs BCS teams behind TCU as a mid-major. And that was before we had
our best recruiting class.If Utah continues to recruit like last
year then yes we will be able to compete in the PAC-12. In fact, ESPN thinks
Utah will finish 4th this year and that's mostly with MWC talent.CORRECTION: BYU is 10-11 vs BCS teams under Bronco. Sorry I counted the
Washington win twice.So it's laughable to suggest Bronco's
team that struggled against WAC teams at HOME would have gone 6-3 in PAC-12 play
when he's proven his talent can't win against BCS teams.
Uteology6 of the 9 PAC 12 teams (66%) that Utah faced last season
finished with LOSING records, yet U lost to 4 of them and finished with a losing
conference recordandUtah hasn't had a road win over
a PAC 12 team with a winning record since 1994yet you think U can
@SportsFanThe point had nothing to do with Utah. It was about
BYU's ability to compete in a "major conference".My
bad, under Bronco BYU is 11-11 vs BCS teams, yet you think they can compete?@Mississippi (2-10)W1413vs.Washington (7-6)W2317@Texas (8-5)
L1617vs.Utah (8-5) L1054@Oregon State (3-9)W3828vs. Washington (7-6)W2317@Florida State (10-4)L1034n.
Oklahoma (8-5) W1413vs. Florida State (7-6)L2854n.
Oregon State (8-5)W4420@Washington (0-12)W2827vs.UCLA (4-8)
W590n. Arizona (8-5) L2131vs. Arizona (5-7)
W207@UCLA (6-7) L1727n.UCLA (6-7) W1716@Arizona
(6-6) L1316@Boston College (10-3)L233n Oregon (7-6)
W388vs.Boston College (9-3)L320@Notre Dame (9-3)L2349n.
Utah goes to the pac10.2 and BYU goes Independent before the 2011 season...2011 - Utah @ BYU2012 - BYU @ Utah2013 - Utah @ BYUThanks for the 2 for 1...we'll continue home and homes in 2016 and
we'll let you go first!
naval vet"those "HALF" that you speak of were Baylor,
Tx. Tech, and Baylor. And the truth is, the Pac-12 really didn't want THEM
either! The Pac-12 wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Oklahoma."It's interesting that you list Baylor twice, but I'll give you
the benefit of the doubt that you didn't intentionally omit Oklahoma
State.The truth is, your entire argument is a fabrication.The PAC 12 wanted ALL of the Big 12 South teams, except for Baylor, to fulfill
Scott's dream of creating the first 16-team "super conference."Getting Texas and Oklahoma without the others was never even a remote
possibility. Texas was never going without Oklahoma, and Oklahoma was never
going without Oklahoma State.Colorado wasn't even considered as
part of the merger until Scott was forced to find a way of excluding private,
religiously-based Baylor.Either way, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech,
both with the EXACT SAME "Research" ranking as BYU, were perfectly
acceptable to the PAC 12, debunking the myth that having a particular Research
ranking was ever a "requirement" for receiving an invitation to join the
Vinchenzo"The fans are going to love going to LES each week for
8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs"I hate to burst your arrogant
little bubble, but BYU's ONLY scheduled Thursday night 8:30ish kickoff is
against a PAC 12 team.It's funny how reality never seems to
match the Utesies' fantasies.I'd love to see the faces of
PAC 12 fans when they tune in to watch the inaugural PAC 12 Network football
game and discover that the "conference-of-chumpions" is force-feeding
them Northern Colorado at Utah.
Vinchenzo"finish the season off with a less than desirable bowl
game..."I'll take San Diego or San Francisco over El Paso
ANY DAY!Besides, with Utah's "brutal" PAC 12 schedule,
there's no guarantee that the Utes will even be going to a bowl every year
- BYU could once again become Utah's bowl game, although, playing your bowl
game in September instead of November would be even more depressing for the kids
on the hill.Keep telling yourself that being a PAC 12 bottom-feeder
Vinchenzo"The fans are going to love going to LES each week for
8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs (nobody wants to see the game)."The ONLY four Utah games already scheduled for television are all Thursday,
Friday or Saturday night kickoffs:Current Utah Football Television
Schedule 2012Thursday, Aug 30, 5:30 p.m. - Northern Colorado (PAC 12
fans will certainly be rushing home from work to catch that barnburner) - PAC 12
NetworkFriday, Sep 7, 6:00p.m. - @Utah State - ESPN2Saturday, Sep 15, 8:00p.m. - BYU (The best U could do was a late Saturday
night kickoff?) - ESPN2Thursday, Oct 4, 7:00p.m. - USC - ESPN------------Current BYU Football Television Schedule 2012Thursday, Aug 30, 8:15p.m. - Washington State - ESPNSaturday, Sep 8, 1:00p.m. - Weber State - BYUtvSaturday, Sep 15,
8:00p.m. - @Utah - ESPN2Thursday, Sep 20, 7:00p.m. - @Boise State -
ESPNFriday, Sep 28, 6:00p.m. - Hawaii - ESPNFriday, Oct
5, 8:15p.m. - Utah State - ESPN/ESPN2Saturday, Oct 20, 3:30p.m. -
@Notre Dame - NBCSIX nationally televised ESPN/ESPN2/NBC BYU games
already scheduled.Enjoy trying to find Utah's subscription-only
PAC 12 regional channel games.
Vinchenzo"Research" isn't the primary mission of BYU,
but it is an important part of the university.On the other hand, in
BYU's primary mission, undergraduate education, BYU is significantly better
than the U in higher admission standards and academic achievement, it's not
Vinchenzo"I love the optimistic attitude BYU fans have for
future BYU football schedules...it is kind of cute and naive. The most BYU can
hope for is 3 or 4 solid opponents..."BYU's schedule for
2013 already includes (record in 2011): Texas(8-5), Boise State(12-1), @Utah
State(7-6), Georgia Tech(8-5), Utah(8-5), @Houston(13-1), @Notre Dame(8-5), and
@Hawaii(6-7).By any measure, that's AT LEAST 6 solid opponents,
including 3 or 4 that could easily be ranked in the Top 25, and, depending on
how the season plays out, every one of them could be a "solid" opponent.
CG.I don't think you want to start comparing research between
the schools. BYU can't come close to Utah's patents and income from
research. Someday, just like in football, little brother BYU might get a small
taste of the success Utah regularly enjoys. For now, BYU should just be happy
settling for the table scraps. Keep telling yourself independence is great...
I love the optimistic attitude BYU fans have for future BYU football
schedules...it is kind of cute and naive. The most BYU can hope for is 3 or 4
solid opponents each season and then finish the season off with a less than
desirable bowl game. The fans are going to love going to LES each week for
8:30pm Thursday night kickoffs (nobody wants to see the game).
Uteologylol at your "BCS" calibre teams referenceUtah fans love to apply labels, and then parse the results into factors that
make the Utes look good.Here are the actual, undoctored numbers:versus BCS teamsBYU 2-2 (50%)Utah 5-5 (50%)Some
of BYU's "non-BCS" opponents, #20 TCU and #35 Tulsawere
BETTER than almost ALL of Utah's "BCS" opponents, #38 California,
#41 Arizona State, #44 Washington, #56 Georgia Tech, #64 Arizona, #66 UCLA, #87
Oregon State, #107 Colorado.Of course, the raw numbers don't
consider the fact that Kyle often loses to conference bottom-dwellers and
10-loss teams, while Bronco NEVER loses to conference bottom-dwellers and
10-loss teams.During their tenure in the MWC, Kyle lost to CSU,
Wyoming, NM, and UNLV; Bronco was undefeated against those same teams.Bronco would have beaten #41 Arizona State, #44 Washington, #56 Georgia Tech,
#64 Arizona, #66 UCLA, #87 Oregon State, and #107 Colorado, and would probably
have beaten #38 California.Already in the PAC 12, Kyle has lost to
bottom-dweller Colorado, and barely survived losing to bottom-dweller Washington
State in OT.Sorry to burst your midpacmajor-bubble.
@Solomon the WiseSorry to disappointment U, but BYU isn't
interested in learning what it's like to be a mid-major program in a major
conference.-----------Actually, I think we have a good
idea of how BYU would compete in a major conference:A) BYU has a
losing record vs BCS teamsB) Last year went 2-3 against BCS caliber teams,
the only wins were over 2-10 Ole Miss and 3-9 Oregon State.C) Under Bronco
the talent at BYU is on par with Washington State according to the NFL draftSorry to burst your bubble but in the BCS era BYU was the 4th best
mid-major behind TCU, Boise, and Utah. It seems three of those
teams "deserved a call up to the next level". I'll let you guess
which one is still in "discussions".
@CGCompareBYU's discovery of the an enzyme and a gene called
Cox 2 ...toUtah's discovery of "cold
fusion"No research at BYU?-----------------Sorry but that's not how you measure the amount of research that is
conducted at a given university.Try to search the internet for the
following paper: "Top American Research Universities 2010 Annual
Report".Then please come back and post the difference between
the research at the University of Utah and BYU.@DuckyWhy are
you crying about your "entitlement" demands to us? If your
overall athletic program is so elite why aren't you playing in the SEC, Big
10, Big 12, ACC? The Ute Nation isn't stopping you from
joining the big boys. It's the big boys that haven't given you the
Solomon the Confused:"HALF of the Big 12 South teams are in the
SAME 'Research' classification as BYU - RU/HR."I
don't know if you don't really understand, or DO, but hope readers on
this thread don't is those "HALF" that you speak of were Baylor,
Tx. Tech, and Baylor. And the truth is, the Pac-12 really didn't want THEM
either! The Pac-12 wanted Texas, Texas A&M, Colorado, and Oklahoma. Contrary to your position, it wasn't Texas A&M that pulled out
at the last minute. It was Texas. A&M always preferred the SEC. Scott
knew that Texas and Oklahoma wouldn't migrate west unless he allowed them
to bring Tech and State with them. The Red Raiders and the Cowboys were
"baggage"; not schools preferred to Utah or Colorado. CU hated the
unequal revenue sharing in the Big 12, and the majority of their alumni lived in
the Pac-12's footprint (as opposed to Baylor's), so Scott knew he
could get them. "Religious bigotry" has been nothing but an
apologist's excuse for being NOT WANTED!Mid-majors forever.
CrabbersPfizer, BYU settle Celebrex lawsuit for $450M BYU claimed in the lawsuit filed in October 2006 that professor Daniel Simmons
had discovered an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that would allow for
development of an anti-inflammation drug that did not have the long-term side
effects of aspirin. The school entered into a contract with Monsanto for a joint
research project to develop a drug with BYU supposed to receive royalties.
The Provo school claimed that discovery was a key to development of
Celebrex but Monsanto, which eventually became part of Pfizer, arbitrarily
canceled the contract, did not place Simmons on patents and misappropriated his
work to create the drug. The product was one of the most financially successful
of all time, bringing in revenues of perhaps $35 billion, according to court
papers.hmmm, Compare BYU's discovery of
the an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that would allow for development of an
anti-inflammation drug that did not have the long-term side effects of
aspirinto Utah's discovery of "cold
fusion"No research at BYU?BYU is involved in lots of
research, it's just not BYU's primary mission.
@univutesActually none of the "other" olympic sports "go
to" utah. They all "go to" BYU. BYU is superior in all of them.
@aloha st. georgeBYU beating utah does no more to elevate them than
BYU beating washington st or oregon st. In otherwords it is not much in the way
of a resumke enhancement, it is simply a good win against an ok team. Nothing
@spokane uteOf course Benson is talking about the overall athletic
programs of the 2 schools, not the result of one game from one season. He is
correct by the way, it isn't even debatable. BYU's overall athletic
program is so superior to the utes that I'm not even sure utah is Lithuania
to BYU's Germany. I do love how utah "fans" like yourself just
ignore the actual point and then try to highlight the one and only thing you
have to try and make it seem different that reality. Funny Stuff to be sure.LOL!
Vinchenzo"BYU will always have great teams like Idaho, New
Mexico St., Delta High School."lolONLY if by
"always" you mean between September and November of THIS YEAR.Conversely, Utah intends to continue scheduling 2 or 3 cupcakes like Northern
Colorado every year to balance their "brutal" schedule against all of
those 4-win, or fewer, PAC teams.------------btw, unlike Utah, which has padded its lifetime record with FOURTEEN high
schools, the YMCA, the 9th Cavalry, the Diamond Butchers, Fort Douglas, All
Hallows, the Crescents, and the Hawaii National Guard,BYU has never
played a high school team.
CrabbersIt's laughable that you conveniently chose to omit U.S.
News & World Report's rankings (the oldest and most comprehensively
researched U.S. university rankings) completely out of your citations, since
U.S. News concentrates more on undergraduate studies - SAT/ACT scores, GPAs,
scholarship and grant information, and graduation rates - BYU's primary
emphasis, and the area of study most applicable to the vast majority of students
who attend both universities:Schools in the National Universities
category, such as the University of Pennsylvania and Duke University, offer a
full range of undergraduate majors, master's, and doctoral degrees. These
colleges also are committed to producing ground breaking research#71
BYU #124 Utah
Except for a few, the game doesn't really matter. It had become so divisive
that it transcended sportsmanship and the enjoyment of collegiate athletics.
Calling it a holy war was the last straw. Neither BYU or Utah is going out of
business because of the decision to cancel the game.
Crabbers"If you honestly believe that BYU would have gotten into
the PAC had it not been for BYU not wanting to play on Sunday, you are
absolutely delusional. The PAC-12 is not just an athletic conference. It's
an academic, and more specifically, a RESEARCH conference."There
are 108 institutions that are classified as "RU/VH: Research Universities
(very high research activity)" in the Carnegie Classification of
Institutions of Higher Education. There are 99 institutions that are classified
as "RU/HR: Research Universities (high research activity)." The PAC 12 - Big 12 South merger, that was nearly a done deal before Texas
A&M pulled out, included:Baylor - RU/HROklahoma - RU/VHOklahoma St - RU/HRTexas - RU/VHTexas A&M - RU/VHTexas
Tech - RU/HRHALF of the Big 12 South teams are in the SAME
"Research" classification as BYU - RU/HRBefore the merger
was finalized, Scott hastily invited Colorado (a public school) to replace
Baylor (a private religious school) in order to exclude Baylor.Sunday play wasn't the only issue, the religious bigots in the PAC 12
simply didn't want to associate with a private religious school.
@sammyg- let's see...USC, Oregon, UCLA...Michigan. BYU will always have
great teams like Idaho, New Mexico St., Delta High School.
The real winners in Utah's membership in the PAC 12? The student athletes
from the high schools in this State. They now have a real chance to compete at
the highest level. The Utah vs BYU "war games" did nothing to enhance
the culture of this State.
And the Big 10 has decided that something is not to their liking in the PAC
10.2.What big storied programs will come to RES now?Colorado,
Northern Colorado, Mesa State, Pueblo CC?*snicker*
Boo, hoo, hoo!
If you honestly believe that BYU would have gotten into the PAC had it not been
for BYU not wanting to play on Sunday, you are absolutely delusional.The PAC-12 is not just an athletic conference. It's an academic, and more
specifically, a RESEARCH conference. 11/12 schools in the PAC-12 are top-50
research institutions, including #s 1 and 2 public research institutions. In the
year the contract was signed, all 12 schools were in the top-50. Do you think
that Colorado got in for their recent football? No, they got in for their #17
research institution ranking - 1 spot above ASU. BYU is not a research
university.This is also ignoring other academics, which - according
to every single university ranking system not run by US New - Utah blows BYU out
of the water. Don't believe me? Academic Ranking of World Universities has
Utah at 79, BYU in the 301-400 range. QS Top Universities has Utah ranked 288,
BYU ranked 601+. Times Higher Education has Utah ranked 113, BYU doesn’t
make the top 400. Forbe’s America’s Best Colleges has Utah at 158,
BYU at 249.
MidMajor4everGotta love the whimpy strawmen Utah fans are constantly
throwing up to bolster their feeble arguements.BYU wasn't
invited to the PAC 12 for one reason, and one reason only - religious
bigotry.The PAC 12 had no problem taking Oklahoma State as part of
the Big 12 South package, but Scott launched a pre-emptive strike in
pre-maturely inviting Colorado, to shut religious-based Baylor out of the
package.BYU has already advanced far beyond "mid-major"
status. Show me a mid-major that has- a National
Championship- a Heisman Trophy winner- 15 National Individual Award
recipients- 6 National College Football Hall of Fame players- 18 Top
25 Finishes in the last 35 years (that's over 50%)- an exclusive
8-year contract with ESPN- their own state-of-the-art HD television studio
and nation-wide network (available in over 60 million homes)and- a
national fanbase to support their nation-wide networkBYU =
IndependentUtah = dependentSorry to disappointment U, but BYU
isn't interested in learning what it's like to be a mid-major program
in a major conference - fortunately for U, you're used to being a
Y little brother in Sandy,News flash it is PAC 12 big brother Utah
dumping mid majory WACalicous little brother BYU not the other way around. I
must admit whole desperate digs from the Coug masses amuses me greatly, the
illogic of it all; keep trying.
Amen Mr. Benson.
charlie24/JaceManNice try little brothers, but as long as
BYU-obsessed fans like U are around, you'll always be BYU's little
brother - BYU is the gold standard by which U judge success or failure.
What this guy and others are missing is the forest from the trees - in the
summer of 2010, there was a tectonic shift between the two schools and athletic
programs. Utah's trajectory changed. Each year, Utah will get better
because of good leadership (Hill/Whitt) and more $$$. BYU leaders and fans are
feeling it now and it will get worse every year. They will simply not be able
to keep up with the $$$, exposure, and competition Utah will get in the Pac12
every year. They can feel it and it's driving them nuts that they cannot
do anything about it. Chris Hill just pointed out the reality that
occurred back in the summer of 2010 - BYU needs Utah but Utah no longer needs
BYU. The first part of that was even stated (without names) in this article
when he says that BYU must have quality programs fit them into their schedule or
they are sunk. Utah has TEN of those games assured each year - nine Pac12 and
one Big10. The distance between the schools and athletic programs will grow
each year and especially gain momentum once Utah gets their full share of Pac12
$$$ in 2014.
UofA and ASU left the WAC in 1978, moving up from the ranks of mid-major to
elite. I remember as Utah fans, we envied their fortune but also understood
there were growing faster than us. Don’t remember much whining. At the
time, playing ASU was much bigger than playing BYU – still is. The
reality is elite conference members do not play home and home with mid-majors.
BYU accepts this from all other elite conference members but do not from Utah.
Can BYU simply insist that Utah grant such an uncommon request?
Another, more correct perspective:BYU had the better football program.
For 2 decades out of 100 years. In the 90s Ronny made it an even deal. In the
last 10 years, Utah took a giant step above the others in the MWC and BYU. BYU
has threatened to sue to get what Utah earned – trips to the BCS bowls.
Utah’s highs were beyond any experience BYU has ever had. The Pac10 and
all other BCS conferences never wanted BYU. Big difference between being
mentioned and picked and only those picked will understand this concept. BYU
once had a chance to break out of the mid-major level, but that chance began to
fade in the 90s and got up and left town after 2000.USU has been
Utah’s rival longer than BYU just not recently. Thankfully, USU did not
whine with the change, regretfully BYU cannot take change. BYU was more than
happy to impose schedule advantages over USU when they wanted to tailor their
schedule. When Utah takes advantage of their newly earned status in the same
way, BYU just can’t accept the brutal facts of their current reality.
If newspaper columnists were countries, lee benson would be Vatican City, the
smallest country in the world.byu fans, IF byu had been invited to
join the PAC-12, they would have jumped at the opportunity. They would have
also treated Utah as they did Utah State. You "fans" (or Utah haters)
would be defending the reasons byu abandoned the rivalry.FYI, byu
was not invited to join the PAC-12 because they weren't a research
institution and the California schools would have never approved byu even if
they had been considered.I'm excited to see a school in the
state of Utah finally get an opportunity to play in a power conference. Perhaps
byu will someday get an opportunity to advance beyond being a mid-major program
and then the byu fans will understand.Thank you Dr. Hill! Go
@phoenixUtes have abandoned Tradition - Spirit - Honor-----------Says a fan of a "legacy" program that tried to
backdoor the MWC for their own selfish needs."The Honolulu
Star-Advertiser reported that the WAC's plan to snag BYU — coined
"The Project" by Nevada president Milt Glick — went forward in
June after the Mountain West added WAC football power Boise State and Utah
accepted the Pac-10’s invitation...The Tribune reported that
WAC officials believe C-USA officials told MWC commissioner Craig Thompson about
The Project. That tip, the thinking goes, led Thompson to meet with Comcast
executives in Philadelphia about a TV deal and, eventually, invite Nevada and
Fresno State to put a wrench in the WAC's [and BYU's] plans." Source: Tom Gatto (Sporting News)
There is nothing quite like a cool 12 PAC to make your day. Goooooooo Utes!
phoenixAs a Utah alum, I'm ashamed of what Utah has become
since Urban arrived and poisoned the water on the hill. It's embarassing to
go to games at RES and see how crude and crass Utah fans have become.It's great to be proud of what the Utes accomplished in 2004 and 2008,
but a little success has revealed the true nature of Utah's fans and
it's ugly. I'm afraid that all of the bridges the Utes are burning in
their vain attempt to make themselves feel better and more important than their
long-time rivals will eventually come back to haunt them.What goes
around, comes around, and the Utes may find themselves in short supply of
friends when they need them.
Naval VetYou sadly prove my point. I wish you the best of luck and
off you go on me. I say that I will miss our rivalry and you want to talk about
all those other teams and how hated BYU is. See the point is this -
Without me what would you be saying right now and to whom. SDSU fans?
Colorado fans? Doubtful.It is fun to have a rival that is worthy
and both hated at the same time. What I am willing to do is admit this. You on
the other hand don't. If you truly don't care then don't say
anything. Move on in silence and class.If not then just admit it.
Nothing brings you greater joy then the fact Utah beat BYU last year. I do not
see any chat boards talking about the big win over UCLA. But as you
insist on remaining angry towards the cougars. I can only do this, Good luck
and farewell. As I am no longer your rival I wish you well - you
on the other do not seem to be able to let me go. Sad for you.
I agree with many points of the article, but it did sound whiny. It is a bummer,
but I am over it. He was talking about sports programs overall, not
football. BYU's athletic program is superior to Utah. Don't get mad;
it is a fact. In the AD cup standings, which is based on national rankings, BYU
finishined 47th this year with 565 points. The U finished 74th with 260 points.
Note there were 8 other PAC schools ahead of BYU, so I am not saying BYU should
brag - BYU used to be in the 30's regularly until they started scoring
men's volleyball differently. Utah rode the strength of their
football team into the PAC. Some have said Chris Hill sacrificed all other
sports for football, but I think it is not a bad plan. Football is the
foundation and the rest of the sports can follow. If they do, the athletic dept
will at least be like the mid level PAC schools U of A, ASU, UW, UO and if they
thrive they can catch the elite - Stanford, Cal, USC, and UCLA.
Utah = Selfishness - Arrogance - CowardiceSorry if the truth hurts,
but that is the only "legacy" Utah has going forward, because the Utes have abandoned Tradition - Spirit - Honor----------------------It's laughable how quickly Utah fans
have turned on the media now that the honeymoon is over and the media has
stopped fawning all over the Utes.
Many great memories from rivalry games of the past and I would have no issues if
it remained uninterrupted, but what culture exactly is Utah moving away from?
Status as a big fish in a mid-major pond? Associated with byu regularly? More association with the PAC12 and less association with byu and its
culture is a big plus for Utah on the national landscape. Relevance trumps
culture (especially the weirdness down south). BTW, I too will not fall for the
"Utah made it because Texas said no" misinformation...pure speculation
no more or less valid than the speculation that Utah was coming in with 5 Big 12
teams (actually much more credible given the current situation). But hey
re-write history when it is inconvenient...don't let journalism get in the
way Mr. Benson.
So much for Utah's safety net. Now, when they get their butts handed to
them in the PAC and go 6-6 or 5-7 every year, they can't look at a
trouncing of BYU and say, "well the season wasn't a total loss. We
54-10... Do you know how bad that hurts the Utes strength of schedule rating? We
have 9 games against Pac-12 teams and maybe 6 teams will be quality opponents.
That means we need at least 1-2 more quality opponents to be able to compare to
the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 and fellow Pac-12 schools. So we schedule games with
Michigan. We don't have games to waste on BYU.
Another typical article by Good Ol' Lee, trying to build up BYU at the
University of Utah's expense. As a writer for the Deseret News,
he knows where his bread is buttered.
kitsutsuki:"...I wouldn't mind if we NEVER played Utah in
any sport ever again...Why should BYU be concerned about maintaining a
relationship with Utah..."Too late! You're not breaking up
with us! WE already dumped YOU! Haha!
BYU Joe:"As we are no longer rivals, I expect that you should
exhibit class and grace and wish me the same."Really? You think
that the only reason Ute fans don't like the Indy-WACers was because we
played in the same conference? Wow! You just don't get it do you. I
don't hate SDSU, UNLV, Wyoming, CSU, AFA, or TCU. THEY weren't high
maintenance, selfish, arrogant, cheap shot, sore losers like YOU (and UNM) were.
Not liking the cougars isn't a "Utah" thing. If it was, then
"Sports Illustrated" would never have written an article about how you
were the most hated team in America. If you want to be liked, you have to
change YOURSELF. Not your conference.
Nice piece of fiction Lee Benson. File it in either the Fantesy or Bitter
section of the library.
CO Ute:"Remember that the 'Holy War' hasn't been
cancelled, it just has a 2 year break in the schedule. That should give many of
you time to get over your hurt feelings, made up scenarios, and unfounded
predictions."Nope. It'll actually give them plenty of time
to invent some NEW ones.
baddog:"What seems to seep out of most Ute fan posts is a bias
(if not hatred) agsinst BYU, and by extension, the LDS Church....That's
much sadder than angst over which football team has been/is/will prove better in
its respective program."Actually, what's "much
sadder" are the numbers of cougar fans who insist on playing the
martyr's role on a sports thread, and resort to throwing out desperate
frantic and emotional hyperbole. Very, very sad indeed.(1) Hating
the Indy-WACers is NOT an extension of hating the LDS Church. (2) You
are NOT being persecuted. And ESPECIALLY not the internet. Do you know what
"persecuted" means? Read the life story of Joseph Smith. Nobody poured
hot tar all over you (or cold beer at RES either for that matter). Nobody shot
you in a small prison cell because you bore your testimony. So quit your
whining. Quitting shouldn't be too hard for an Indy-WACey person.
Remember the 3rd-Qtr last Sept. 17th?
Thanks Lee. I always knew that you were a sub standard jounalist...but now I
know that you are a cry baby as well...Does anyone have a crying towel for Baby
Benson? Or maybe some common sense? Just for giggles, why don't you list
the sports for everyone here that you believe BYU is so far superior to Utah in?
Hmmmm...Everyone says that BYU provided the inspiration for Utah in
football...Well, the same could be said for Basketall. Utah's success in
the 90's inspired BYU...What's the difference and who cares.Then let's see...Utah has gymnastics and Skiing...BYU has Cross Country
and Men's Volleyball...Then you have the other Olympic sports...Some going
to Utah, some going to BYU...Sorry, I don't see the disparity..Quit making statements that you can't back up with facts...and oh
yeah..quit wining like a five year old...so nobody wants to play with you
anymore...Get over it!
4601"It's called cowardice."You're
right...Utah is very scared to play BYU. I'm scared. I'm scared that
next year we might only beat you 44-10.Yep. BYU - very scary.
red rocks:"The only reason Michigan is playing Utah is because
they are trying to rebound from some disappointing seasons the last few
years."So Michigan is disappointed about winning the Sugar Bowl
last season?Who knew?
worf:"BYU...had supported the utes with TV revenue the past few
decades."Not so. BOWL revenues were evenly distributed to all
conference members, but TV revenue was split between the two teams on the
field.And as far as bowl revenues had gone, the Indy-WACers
benefitted from receiving more money from Utah's bowl appearances than the
other way around.
It is a no brainer. Schedule a home-and-home with Michigan or BYU?Utah did what most schools would do, go with Michigan.
phoenix:"Great article Lee!...You've obviously hit a sore
spot for the kids on the hill and their natural reaction is to shoot the
messenger, instead of dealing with the real issue: Utah's selfishness,
arrogance, and cowardice in abandoning their culture and traditions."For starters, there is nothing "cowardly" about scheduling the
winningest FBS team in history in lieu of some WAC-ish institution who had
posted a .300 record against us these past 10 seasons, including a 44-pt blowout
loss to us on their own Home field. And especially not after the team that
replaced that WAC-ey program is just now coming off a Sugar Bowl victory. So
FAIL.And a cougar fan calling anyone out ELSE for being
"selfish" and/or "arrogant"? Typical Y-nation hypocrisy. And
what's more, even if Utah WAS being "selfish" and/or
"arrogant", WE aren't the ones being "abandoned".
Therefore, WE don't HAVE to "deal with the real issue". YOU do.
Because that's YOUR problem.P.S.: Guess why USU fans
don't feel sorry for you!
What if Utah gets into the the four team playoff?? Or gets into the the
championship game in the next couple of years??? I really believe Utah one of
the top four in the west (USC, Oregon, Stanford, are 1&2 respectively)That fact is that if you want to win, you have to play teams that will
get you there. If this is going to be fair, I feel conference
memberships should be contingent. Washington State should be kick out of the
PAC-12 and allow for Boise State and BYU. BYU going in right
direction, but NOT a contender for National Championship. Utah beating BYU-
expected but not helping in points, BYU beating Utah; this hurts Utah more and
elevates BYU- which it should. Utah better to play Michigan = increase in
TJ:"Utah is now on the same level as Washington State, Oregon
State, Colorado State and Arizona State. Not exactly a high profile team...Let
us know when they have earned even a slight mention as a top 4 pac team."ESPN listed us as a Top-4 Pac-12 program last January. Fail AGAIN!
TJ:"U had a losing record in what was arguably the worst
division in any BCS conference."Sure, but that would only be
argued by a jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer. Utah is in the Pac-12
South division, and in THAT division we went 3-2. That's a WINNING record.
If you take our conference record in its entirety, THEN we have a losing
record. Except if you take the whole conference into consideration, then we
aren't arguably the worst BCS conference. The worst is the Big [L]East,
and the Pac-12 is also ranked ahead of the ACC. Phil Steele ranked the Pac-12
#4, and ESPN ranked them at #3. So FAIL on your part.
Benson don't be so serious..it's only a football game. And for that
matter "this" football game has diminished in appeal gradually over the
last 30 years anyway. Change is inevitable...deal with it. I predict
eventually BYU will downplay (if not eliminate) it's football program
completely. The BYU football program is difficult to make a success given the
number of disparate objectives that it must adhere to.
Kyle Van Noy will claim the option of the NFL draft after 2012 if he plays great
and his surgically-repared shoulder holds up? BYU in 2013 is in so much trouble.
They may lose every game, probably will. BYu's recent recruiting classes
are a joke at best. Well, they could beat Idaho State if they play really well
I for one will be glad to go to church meetings for two years and not hear some
argument about Utah and BYU. Thank you Dr. Hill for giving it a break. The
culture and the communities of this state do not need the animosity no matter
what you think Lee. And when will the Deseret News and BYU fans get over the
fact that Utah was invited to the PAC 12 and not BYU? The decision had a lot
more to do with academics, research and a medical school than sunday play.
Utah is gonna put the largest postage stamp on BYu this year and next. BYu
can't beat Utah. I hope Kwhit shows no mercy to BYu like he did last year.
Utah didn't throw one pass against BYu in the 4th quarter, and BYu threw
the ball, or tried to, on every down in the 4th and got creamed and never got
close to scoring. In 2013, Utah could beat BYu 108-0 if they wanted to in 2013.
BYu has little chance of scoring at all in 2012 at RES. Utah will be ready and
will crush BYu, yet again.
I appreciate that Lee Benson's article was written tongue in cheek, but I
think it should be pointed out that what goes around comes around. The Utah
State rivalry went back to 1922 - almost as long as the Utah rivalry. BYU made
no apologies about dropping it ten years ago. They only played once in four
years and that was a one and done in Provo. Today, the Aggies must agree to a
"two for one" if they want a game with BYU. If our friends at the Team
Down South wish to axe a rivalry when they feel it is in their best interest,
they can hardly blaming Utah for following their example.
It's called cowardice.
The rivalry matters. But Chris Hill alone doesn't bear the blame.PAC 12 commissioner Larry Scott and the university presidents who allow USC
and Stanford to deviate from the November PAC-12 schedule to have games with
Notre Dame--they bear much of the blame for refusing to grant Utah a similar
exemption to play BYU as its marquee, Thanksgiving weekend, rivalry game. Not
sure what motivates this refusal (the mighty SEC grants similar flexibility to
allow Fla-FSU, South Carolina-Clemson and other rivalries in November), but the
PAC 12 folks are clearly in control of Utah's destiny, rather than the U
itself. There will be a lot of short-term revenue and prestige gains for Utah in
the PAC 12, but the long-term picture will always keep Utah as the redheaded
stepchild of the conference unless it forces a change in November scheduling.
Only a consistent history of winning PAC 12 championships will earn Utah this
respect--something I don't see happening anytime soon.
Remember Max Hall? He killed the rivaly. Chris Hill is just the coroner
issuing the death certificate. After hearing that infamous rant
that included the entire university, fans, and alumni, I could care less if Utah
ever played BYU again.
Lee Benson you should remember a couple of quotes from the movies:1.
The Godfather “It's not personal, Lee. It's strictly
business”2.A League of Their Own “There’s no
crying in sports journalism! There’s no crying in sports
I really have zero interest in the Y/U game anymore unless the Y were to get
into the Big12. The U has moved up in the world and the Y has stayed behind so
the game is really not that interesting anymore.
BlutoColorado and Utah were the two schools in the expansion plan
for the PAC-10 since the late 70's early 80's, before Chris Hill was
AD at the U. Stop with the know-it-all attitude, because you don't know
anything about this one.
Bluto:"BYU could never have done in a few short weeks, what they
did with Independence, without extensive planning."So how much
planning IS required to jump out of a conference and schedule a bunch of weak
WAC and FCS teams?
Naval Vet, some of your points are well taken, but with the BCS breaking up
it's hardly something to crow about. And I'll take a Heisman Trophy
winner and a Natiobnal Championship over two BCS bowl victories. (See -
we're both happy.) If Utah was so deserving, why didn't they get to
play Auburn for a national title? See, the BCS is a crummy system, which all
you Utes also thought until about a half-second after joining the PAC 10.2. Did
Utah finish in the top 25 lasst year? No, of course not, after that grand
display against Colorado. Good luck this year. I fear you'll be the
Arizona bottom-feeder replacement in PAC football, though, for years to come.
Prove me wrong on that count.....
My degree from the U is only going up in value every darn day. I'm so glad
I went there and learned such valuable information and absorbed such a great
education. Geez, all of my professors there were outstanding!!!!!!!!! Goooooo
"If BYU and the University of Utah were countries and they held an Olympics,
BYU would be Germany, the Utes would be Lithuania...If any school deserved a
call-up to the next level, it was the Cougars...But life isn't fair and
college football isn't even close. You have to seize your moments when
they arrive, like Utah did when it joined the Pac-12, and no one in the state is
unhappy they did it." -- Lee BensonAre you sure no one in the
state was unhappy that Utah joined the Pac-12? Because your article sounded
like you needed a kleenex. There sure have been a lot of hand wringing and
tears being typed out over the comments section of all U-Y athletics articles
coming from the Y-side of this former rivalry over these past couple of years
ever since Utah accepted the Pac-10's invitation. Even BEFORE that
actually. It started way back during the 2009 football season when we were just
being vetted for admission. Duckhunter, sammyg, Yerffoegn, Bluto, CougfaninTX,
TheSportsAuthority, phoenix, Hellooo, et al have all been an ocean of tears, so
I wouldn't say "no one".
To the BYU fans who are angry or hurt by Utah's decision to not play BYU
for two years, I feel for you. Honestly, I get it.But I think most
of you are missing the boat as to why Utah made the decision it did. Just
today, when talking about a related topic, Ted Miller of ESPN said:"The alliance, on shaky ground for a while, threatened to create some
brutal schedules for Pac-12 teams, which could become a problem as we adopt a
four-team playoff starting in 2014. Teams such as USC and Stanford, which
already play an annual game with Notre Dame, would be stuck with 11 A-list
opponents. No program wants that, even ones that schedule ambitiously."While there are more than a few Utah fans who don't consider BYU to
be an "A-list opponent," they are wrong. Few if any teams would sign on
to play 9 Pac-12 teams, Michigan, and BYU in the same year.My vote,
for what it's worth, is to renew the rivalry in 2016, and hope the Pac-12
decides to have its members play an 8-game conference schedule.
"The Utes got into the league because A) Texas didn't want to, B) BYU
won't play on Sunday..." -- Lee BensonAccording to Chip
Brown at "Orangebloods", Utah would have been invited to join the Pac-10
with or without Texas, so Option A is out. And since Football was the whole
point of expansion, the cougars took a backseat ot the Utes anyway. Utah had 2
BCS bowl trophies. The Y had zero. Utah was the nation's winningest
non-AQ team vs. schools in the BCS. The Y ranked behind Utah, TCU, Navy, and
Fresno St. Utah had the highest postseason winning percentage among all FBS
schools with greater than 10 bowl games. The Y's postseason record was
well below .400. Utah has more bowl trophies, and owns a generation gap in the
all-time series. Utah is a tier-1 research institution. The Y is not. Plus,
the Y is known for being a high maintenance member with an inflated sense of
itself, and a sense of entitlement. Utah doesn't have that problem.Utah got into the league because they were the best option for
In all honesty, Utah has a long way to go to be a force on the national stage.
Sure, they busted the BCS twice and pounded a Nick Saban-coached
undefeated(regular season) SEC Alabama squad in the 2009 Sugar Bowl, but Utah
needs to continue strong recruiting, keep the great coaching staff intact and
simply win. It is that simple. I'm hoping the mighty Utes do well and
I'm also ecstatic at the wonderful progress the U has made in the 21st
century. Goooooooooo Utes!!!!!!
"The Utes got into the league because A) Texas didn't want to, B) BYU
won't play on Sunday, and C) Kyle Whittingham runs the best football
program this side of Tuscaloosa."Isn't this a funny
article? Take bits and pieces of truth and post it for the world the see. The
problem is that some people believe bits and pieces of the truth."BYU is not in because they don't play on Sunday" may be part of
the truth but it isn't the entire story. "Texas didn't
want to" does not mean that Utah would not have been invited. Speculative at
best. Utah was in discussion before Texas."Kyle runs the best
program west of Tuscaloosa". The program is run well but why couldn't
Lee Benson say, "Due to the success of Utah for the past 12 years, Utah was
an attractive team to the Pac 10?" Kyle does not run the best program in the
West. I still am upset about the rivalry discontinuing. I am looking
forward to dishing out more thumpings in the future. There is no reason to
discontinue the torture for any reason.
Good reporting about the lack of respect and nothing being sacred on the hill.
I quit going to the game in SLC years ago after watching RES security turn their
heads on poor behavior until there were injuries involved. Dr. Hill has made
his point; Utah can't afford to lose to BYU so he pulled the plug. He may
well wish Colorado wasn't in the same conference with the mighty Utes. Oh
well, life goes on without the Utes. It always has. Cougars didn't
abandon ship last year and finished in the top 25. Utah lost to Colorado and
didn't achieve anything, even though they had a greased schedule to the PAC
12 Inagural Championship Game. We see who was able to deliver and who
wasn't, the BYU-Utah game notwithstanding. So goodbye Utes. We'll
maybe look at the standings in the newspaper at the end of the year (starting at
the bottom of the PAC 12) to see how you fared (yawn).
"Both administrators and both universities need to take better control of
the stadiums, so the game is safe. And I would be a proponent, unless that is
addressed, not to play the game."- Bronco Mendenhall, told to
KSL.com, July 27, 2010Since neither university has addressed the
issue, I guess Bronco is getting what he wants by Utah dropping the series. In
fact, maybe we should cancel the 2013 and 2016 games...
This is what I got out of the article and most comments:"This
was supposed to be byU, not Utah! My cougs have dominated for years. The cougs
should be in the major conference and be saying NO to the Utes for crying out
loud. Let's never play them again"Priceless
Howard you may be correct, but who is high maintenance now. Really ending the
"rivalry" game is good for both schools. The Y becomes the only
legitimate place for high quality LDS players, and the U becomes more of what it
is and always wanted to be. Perhaps, hard to take at first, but it is time for
both to move on.
By the way BYu fans, the guy that controls BYu's destiny in every way,
Thomas S. Monson, is a UTE! Good luck with that BYu faithful!
Lots of tears from the D News and BYU football "fans" as both continue
their struggle to remain relevant.
Enough already. If Nebraska-Oklahoma can die, so can BYU-Utah. OTOH, the new
playoff system will negate the AQ system. But the top 4 will always be SEC Big10
dominated. An undefeated PAC12 team will get in, but probably not one with a
loss. You'll probably see two SEC teams, one Big 10, and whoever is
undefeated from the rest. I like BYU's chances of getting a bid better than
Utah's. Unless you're USC, or can pull an Oregon for a few years, Utah
will be just another middle tier team on the left coast, ignored by the east
coast media. Sorry Utes, you're just another state university, ho hum.BYU really does have bigger fish to fry. I'm looking forward to
seeing what to do over the next ten years.
Let's get some perspective here.........The LDS Church recently built and
paid for a $3 billion mall in downtown SLC. Do you think that those men that
head the LDS Church are remotely concerned about a $6 million BYu/ESPN TV deal?
That is laughable. BYu fans had better hope that the gentlemen that own your
school don't get tired of getting dissed any further, or they will pull the
plug on BYu sports just like they did at Rick's College.
To all Utes who say that BYU would have done the same to Utah - unfortunately we
will never know. However, I am fairly confident that BYU would not have snubbed
the century-long relationship with Utah the way Utah did with BYU.HOWEVER, as a BYU fan, after seeing how Utah has displayed an absolulte
disregard for traditon and its relationship with BYU, I wouldn't mind if we
NEVER played Utah in any sport ever again. Loayality is an extremely important
character trait in any relationship and the Utes obviously don't have it.
Why should BYU be concerned about maintaining a relationship with Utah,
particularly when Hill and Whittingham, the instigators of this debacle, are
still around???The last thing I want to see at this point is BYU
bending over backwards to do anything for our previous "friends" in Salt
The U is "red hot" right now. Now that we are part of the 12 PAC, Utah
is building new law and dental schools, a $137 million world-leading bio
research facility, athletic dept. facilities galore, etc.......Man O man it is
great being a Ute these days! Gooooooooooooo Utes!
Spot on article. To all the utes getting your underwear wadded up over it, tell
me what about thus article isn't true? This is nothing more than an article
that points things out exactly how they are. If you don't agree with that,
you need to check your "delusion meter" because it's probably off
Coug fans/ media hacks are foaming at the mouth about this. It's pretty
funny. Utah did what was in their best interest and byU has done
that for years. We know that all-around byU has the better Olympic programs
because it has the money to fund them. Utah now will have that money.byU did this to themselves with what they did in last years game. Taking clear
cheapshots at Utah players and Bronco coming out saying he was okay with it.
Utah doesn't want to risk the health of their players when they don't
have to.7 Home games a year is what Utah wants as well. Goodbye big
bro, you've been a jerk and we're done looking at your face. Oh and
thank you for getting us there. We couldn't have done it without you. You
deserve all of the credit.
Let's get this straight! The Big 12 NEVER returned one of Tom Holmoe's
frantic calls, NOT ONE. BYU was NEVER considered at all for the Big 12 A month
ago, the Big 12 told FSU and Clemson that they were not interested in expanding
at this time. Additionally, Deloss Dodds(Texas' AD) stated at the Big 12
meetings that the only school they were interested in was Notre Dame, which they
recently courted to join for olympic sports. ND declined and stayed in the Big
East for all sports other than football.
Utah has surely abandoned a culture of mediocrity. Had BYU been given the same
chance (and please fans--quit rewriting history to make it sound like BYU was
offered a place in the Pac 12 but said "no thanks,") they would have
abandoned their culture of mediocrity faster than their fans abandoned the LES
in the third quarter of last years Utah @ BYU game.
BYu may have a bigger stadium, but the only game they sold out last year was the
Utah game. Utah sold out EVERY game last year and this year as well, and the
tickets cost at least twice as much. Utah made way more money at the gate than
BYu did. Additionally, Utah's TV contract dwarfs BYU's pittance of a
Lots of bitterness and hyperbole from BYU fans. Since when is BYU so desperate
to play Utah? If BYU had gone to the BIG12, I'm confident Tom Holmoe would
have made the same decision.Turns out independence isn't all
it's cracked up to be.
To every Ute who says "I don't care" I hope you will
find this much joy and excitement in your new life with Colorado. I doubt you
will and I'm sure you will be here all next season talking about us. I can admit life is more fun with our rivalry. I am sad to see it go.
The fall will not be the same without it. But, if this is goodbye, I
wish you success and happiness. As we are no longer rivals, I
expect that you should exhibit class and grace and wish me the same. With no more game you should hope only that each team can win as many good
games as possible to bring prestige and success to our State. Will
you do this? I suspect not because deep down you still love to hate BYU and
that's okay. I still love to hate you. Its what makes sports great.
Rivals are not falsly created, they take generations of great games, families
and traditions. So if this is the end, farewell my old and worthy
enemy - I hope you find what you seek. I admit I will miss you.
Way to over sensationalize the issue, the worst kind of
journalism/commentary/opinion. Comparing suspending the rivalry to suspending
christmas or the 4th of July is just silly. Anyone who thinks a college
football rivalry has much importance in the grand scheme of things should
reconsider their priorities..
If BYU is Germany and Utah is Lithuania, why are all the BYU media hacks so up
in arms?The more I see biased, ridiculous media hack jobs like this
article, the more I want to see the game take a long hiatus (out of spite).
Really?? Everyone is so worked up about this? Sheesh. Get a real life and let
I like the rivalry and wish the game was played every year. However, things
change. BYU fans need to quit whining. If they were so great then the PAC would
have invited them. They didn't so get over it. If BYU had been invited the
article would read the same but schools names would just be substituted. One
thing I did like about the article though is comparing BYU with Germany.In a way
I agree with that. BYU lies to Utah State about the WAC. BYU cheats by
recruiting other schools players while they are on missions and BYU has
Illusions of being the Notre Dame of the west. Lets not kid each other. BYU
would do the same thing for a home and home with Michigan. Can't wait for
the season to start.
worfMcallen, TXWow! BYU has a much bigger stadium and television
following, while having had supported the utes with TV revenue the past few
decades.What are the Utah fans complaining about?-----------Nothing. Our $20+ million/year TV contract trumps any TV deal
BYU has; don't kid your self!
Great article Lee!You've obviously hit a sore spot for the kids
on the hill and their natural reaction is to shoot the messenger,instead of dealing with the real issue:Utah's selfishness,
arrogance, and cowardice in abandoning their culture and traditions.
AlteregoHarrisville, UTall you need to know is BYU is Germany and
the u is Lithuania. Pretty funny stuff right there.-----------I can't recall Lithuania drilling Germany 54-10. The score seems more
like Utah is, well Utah, and BYU is Cal Poly Pamona.
Wow! BYU has a much bigger stadium and television following, while having had
supported the utes with TV revenue the past few decades.What are the
Utah fans complaining about?
Can anyone imagine how riled up BYU will get during the 2 year suspension of the
Holy war after Utah absolutely demolishes BYu this year and next? Oh my
goodness? HAHAHA!As Hot Rod Hundley would say, "You gotta love
"The new UT vs. Colorado rivalry will be the best in the country! Can't
wait!"*laughing hysterically*If U can't even
beat the 3-10 Buffs at home, what chance do U have of ever beating them?Colorado is still trying to figure out which team is the bigger
creampuff - their old in-state rival, who actually gives them some competition
once in awhile, or their new "conference rival," who folded like a cheap
deck of cards in their first conference meeting.What's even
more laughable is Utah fans still trolling BYU blogs two years after they
supposedly left the Cougars in their dust.Actions speak louder than
words little brothers.
Wow, Lee Benson. That article was...special.I bet writing that felt
better than a 15-minute cry on some psychiatrist's couch.
No wonder the Utah County Crisis Center just hired 500+ U med school students to
man their hotline phones.
The new UT vs. Colorado rivalry will be the best in the country! Can't
Wow, these are some of the most sour grapes I've ever sampled! I wonder if
the DNews assigned each sports writer on the team their specific day to opine
about this one. First off, the rivalry's on hold, not dead for
good. The Utes put their rivalry with USU (which predates the Utah/BYU rivalry I
might add) on hold for 2 years and brought it back when many thought it would be
gone for good. As a Ute fan, I'm fine with taking a break. I think both
sides need a breather for a few years.Secondly, the PAC-12
didn't just accept the U of U based on their football program. True, BYU
may be ahead of Utah in academics, but that's also just one factor of many.
The fact is, Utah has a gymnastics programs that is consistently top-ranked,
while it's faltered in recent years, their basketball program was
well-known throughout the country. The PAC's decision was based on the
University as a whole, and they felt Utah was a better fit. Y fans decry Utah
all you want, but it doesn't change anything. GO UTES!
Why does the local media and cougar fans continue to embarrass themselves? With
grossly inferior funding over the years, the little red train that couldn't
did and is has now elected to move on. If it is so beneath you all to have Utah
slap you around like a used thrift store rag doll, then man up and deny
Utah's dictates - 2013 and 2016. But you won't do that because you
live underneath the self inflicted shadow of a scheduling nightmare and in the
process have lost your dignity and self respect.
BYu hasn't beaten a decent team in 15 years. Utah whooped Alabama in the
Sugar Bowl. Utah also creamed a nobody last year 54-10 on their turf.
Interesting how "thin skinned" Ute fans are anymore.I know
most of you don't like to hear it, but everyone in the sports world -
current & former players, coaches, sportswriters, etc. are castigating Utah
for throwing away the rivalry for "their own self-interests". And the
Utes have been in the PAC12 for how long??? It is amazing how quickly greed and
arrogance can set it when the Utes have accomplished absolutely nothing. It is
really unlike anything I have ever seen here in the State of Utah, though it is
clearly what drives collegiate athletics today.Hill's and
Whittingham's real legacy - the killing of the rivalry because Utah must
protect its only self-interests, whatever that means.Enjoy your
moment of fame Utes, because your arrogance and pettiness is ultimately going to
be the cause of your house of cards crumbling down.
BYU BCS 2011 record 2 wins 2 losses.UTAH PAC 12 2011 record 4 wins 5
losses. stellar performance UTES.
Great article Brother B! These Ute trolls think they are so good but they havent
beat anybody! They only got invited to the pac 10.2 because BYU didnt want in!
AND THEY NO IT! BYU has WON lots and lots more games and championships.
And we were top 25 last year. We had lots of quality wins. But Utah lots to
"BYU doesn't deserve to be granted a high profile game by Utah"?Who would that high profile game be with howie?U had a
losing record in what was arguably the worst division in any BCS conference. U
lost to arguably the worst team in the pac in a do or die game and are staring
two more probable conference losing records right in the face over the next two
years. Your coach and AD are so afraid of the Utes remaining a mediocre or worse
team in the pac, that they throw away a great rivalry game to play northern Az
for a guaranteed win. Utah is now on the same level as Washington
State, Oregon State, Colorado State and Arizona State. Not exactly a high
profile team. They have several high profile big brothers now but, until they
have earned their pay, they are a pretty under the radar team. Let us know when
they have earned even a slight mention as a top 4 pac team. Then we can start to
consider them on their way to being a "high profile team".Too funny!
all you need to know is BYU is Germany and the u is Lithuania. Pretty funny
stuff right there.
How many articles can be generated on the subject? The crying and whinning grows
old and tiresome. Both schools will be just fine without playing each other.
Move on and deal with it; Utah and BYU are heading in differen't
directions. Utah has absolutely nothing to gain by playing BYU. Besides,
I'd rather see Utah play some one else (aka Michigan)!
It is funny to read the comments from some of the Y fans - Utah will never do
this, the PAC 12 will be left out of that, the only reason Utah did this was,
the Y is better at everything, etc.Bottom line is Utah is in a big
boy conference and the childish rants of several posters and journalists are
evident. Remember that the 'Holy War' hasn't been cancelled, it
just has a 2 year break in the schedule. That should give many of you time to
get over your hurt feelings, made up scenarios, and unfounded predictions.
First of all, If Lee Benson is a columnist, then I suppose this article is OK,
because they are paid to write their opinion. If he's not, I can't
believe he would be so unprofessional.I have just a few thoughts,
BYU had the best overall program, but that is currently not the case. I think
they're roughly the same, with Utah having more success lately, both in
head to head play, and on a national scale.I am a Utah fan, and
I'm glad we're in the PAC 12. I really don't care how we got in.
I wouldn't care if Commissioner Scott himself came out and said that we
were just a back up plan. We're in, hallalujia!
I must say that has to be the most bitter article I have ever read. I was
disappointed when it was announced by Dr. Hill that the Utah-BYU game is not
going to be played for a couple years but writing something like this is just a
Lots of Ute fans are whistling in the dark about how well Utah will do
hereafter. Tough talk, macho mumbling how mid-major BYU is.Take your
ball and go play with the big boys. Let's revisit this in 5 years and see
how things are. Then someone can say "I told you so."What
seems to seep out of most Ute fan posts is a bias (if not hatred) agsinst BYU,
and by extension, the LDS Church.That's much sadder than angst
over which football team has been/is/will prove better in its respective
I think that BYu should thank Utah for scheduling them at all. As it stands
today, there isn't one future BYu game vs a 12 PAC team. And, there is NO
chance that BYu will be able to schedule a PAC team from California........Prop
8 destroyed that possibility.
Holy cow Mr. Benson! I gotta say, at first I was really disappointed
that the Rivalry wouldn't be played, now I'm just shocked at how petty
everybody is about the whole thing. This is sad, lets act more like adults and
realize that we don't always get everything we want. lets quit sulking.
As a Utah Alum this could really backfire, On the seasons that Utah has that
"special team", not playing BYU probably won't really matter to
fans, but on those years where the team really isn't in the national hunt,
the season will be boring and the fans will quit coming. Nobody likes to watch
their team underachieve but Utah fans and players could always get up for the
rivalry game because everyone knows that almost anything can happen - the
records go out the window. The highlight of last year for Utah was clearly the
BYU game. With that gone I just don't see how their fans are going to get
excited during a 5 and 6 season for a chance to get even with the 3 and 8
Maybe Utah's on to something here - Since strength of schedule is so
important to how basketball teams are seeded in the NCAA tournament, BYU should
dump the Utes from their non conference B-ball schedule. Playing one of the
worst teams in D1 college basketball is hurting BYU's ability to get a
higher seed at the big dance.
I just want to encourage fans to stop saying "BCS" conferences anymore.
Great news: we won! It's not perfect, but we killed the BCS.
There is no such thing as BCS conferences anymore. So let's stop
perpetuating the system we all hated that is on its way out of existence by
consistently using its label still. Just something of a side-note to this
article and all the comments it's brought about
Gee, I don't remember this same level of angst when Utah didn't
schedule Utah State for a couple of years, despite that being a longer running
and more storied rivalry. I don't remember the comment when BYU big-timed
USU demanding a two for one. The real story is that to make this last two year
contract work they had to forgo a return trip from Iowa St. and buy out a series
with Boise State. Either of which I would have rather had than a BYU series.
What did BYU do? Zip, Nada,zilch. What are they doing now besides crying and
whinning, zip, Nada, zilch. Who killed the rivalry game? Better rethink that
I think its great that the Utes are in a bigger and better conference but anyone
who says they don't want this rivalry is either to young to understand or
is not a true fan of either team. what if the Yankees all the sudden never
played the sox? duke vs north carilina, auburn vs alabama. the holy war has
always been a great experience. I guess we are joining the likes of texas and
a&m and taking away something that every fan wants!
Lee, now that you've vented and hopefully feel better, you should write
next about how maybe it's time to move on.It's a free
country. If the Utes feel they don't want to play a certain OOC opponent,
it's their choice.Accept it and let's move on.
Somebody used somebody else as a stepping stone. And there is a lot of hand
wringing over it.But that's how it works in this world.Sometimes, there is a difference between what you have a right to do,
and what is the right thing to do. But that difference doesn't matter to
people.That's how it works in this world.But BYU is
not innocent, if you look at other situations. There is no room for anyone to
cast stones. Chris Hill will probably not be comfortable with this
decision, in the future. But that begs the question to whomever is reading this:
Think about the things you have done wrong and tried to cover up or at least
hope go unnoticed. Things you are not proud of. Things you did out of self
interest, at the expense of concern for others. Do you think you would have
definitely done something difference if you were Chris Hill?At least
Chris Hill is doing his questionable deeds in public with his name attached to
it, and not ducking the issue while some of us are hoping the dirty secrets in
our personal lives go unnoticed.
Lee Benson called the Utes on the carpet and read them the Riot Act. As they slink away in shame, their pretended disinterest in the rivalry is
laughable, since many of our friends on the hill spend far more time hating BYU
than they do cheering for Utah.To the BYU haters, nothing is so
exquisitely thrilling as Utah beating BYU.Conversely, nothing is so
excruciatingly painful as Utah losing to BYU.Despite their denials,
they'll miss the rivalry far more than they're willing to admit, even
to themselves.BYU will be just fine without U. While BYU
was busy building a national brand, the Utes were barely a blip on BYU's
radar; an interesting late November opponent to give BYU fans something to talk
about while the Cougars were waiting for their bowl opponent to be announced.BYU Football will now join BYU Volleyball, Track & Field,
Cross-Country, and other BYU sports where the Cougars have enjoyed great success
on a national scale, with absolutely no concern for the complete absence of
competition from the Utes.Enjoy your big pond little fish
mediocrity; BYU has bigger fish to fry.
I am neither a BYU or a Ute fan. Utah is way excited about picking up the
Michigan series and dropping BYU. The only reason Michigan is playing Utah is
because they are trying to rebound from some disappointing seasons the last few
years. They hope to pad there record with some wins against Utah. I think it
will backfire. The Aggies are an up and coming program and will
provide a better game than Utah would have. Utah will struggle to have a
rivalry with anyone.
It's tough to appreciate a 100 year old rivalry when your tradition dates
all the way back to 2004. The Utes have about as much appreciation for
tradition as a hillbilly at an art museum.
Well the good news is, we ALL still have Real Salt Lake. Go RSL, the team of
Utah in the sport of the world!!!
Hey Lee, I'm a huge fan, season-ticket holder and Crimson Club donor, and
guess what? I don't really care that the Holy War won't be played
every year. Every few years is plenty. That is, I'm a fan and don't
feel I'm losing a thing. The Utes have bigger things to worry about
nowadays than BYU.Ohh yeah, I'm sure you're exactly right
that the ONLY reason BYU didn't get into the PAC 12 is because of Sunday
@ BloatedBringing up why BYU was left out of the Pac-10 expansion
again, huh? Dude, that was over 2 years ago. Accept it and move on! You can make
all the excuses you want about why Utah was included and BYU was not. Here is the facts:Pac-10 expands to 16: Texas, Texas Tech,
Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado, Utah (Texas A&M will not follow Texas
west, the Aggies would join the SEC instead)Pac-10 expands to 12:
Colorado and Utah (Original expansion plan)Either way, Utah was
apart of the Pac-10's expansion plans and BYU was not. GET OVER IT!As far as academics go. BYU has great undergraduate programs. But the
Pac-10 is looking for major research institutions. Utah has it and BYU does
not!"And anyone who thinks that BYU had not long prepared for
Independence, has just not been paying attention".Really? Then
why was BYU's schedule so pathetic last year? The schedule looks like it
was put together at the last minute. Hmm.... Doesn't it seem ironic that
BYU would declare it's independence two months after Utah accepted
it's Pac-10 invitation?BYU = mid-majors forever!
re:sweetnewssI am in agreement with you. I am a BYU fan and am
disappointed in the fact that Utah is turning their back on what has created the
interest and glory of football in the state of Utah. There were many years were
both teams may not have been living large on a national scale, yet the rivalry
game always had the "big game" atmosphere that makes sports great.In the end, the fans who have supported the two programs through thick
and thin are the ones who are the biggest losers.
WOW! So many tears are flowing. Except on the hill. We're having a great
time! It's a great day to be a Ute! And it's just getting better and
Lee Benson needs to get a grip. This is not about culture or history it's
about self interest. . . pure and simple. If the situation was reversed BYU
would be dropping Utah like a hot potato. Bottom line, BYU cares about filling
seats and filling their schedule with quality opponents.It's
interesting to see that basically all the complaint are from BYU and none from
Utah. Let's see. . . Michigan (or any other Big 10 team) or BYU. Let me
thinks for a second, oh never mind it won't even take that long. So long
I'm a Utah fan and am definitely disappointed the rivalry is going away. I
think it does nothing but hurt both schools and fan bases. the rivalry creates
so much passion for each team that can't be replicated any other way.
I'm a much more passionate Utah fan because of the rivalry and how fired up
it gets me ever year...as I'm sure is the same for BYU fans. I looked on
stubhub at ticket prices for Utah games this year and behind the USC game, BYU
is the second highest priced ticket. This shows, despite what the obnoxious
faction of our fan base says, it's the game we want to see most (with the
exception of a huge pac12 game). Don't give me "we can't play 11
hard games"! We beat BYU by 44 points last year and have won 7 of the last
10! The rhetoric from Chris Hill makes me sick. It's about money, trying to
ensure only one nonconference road game and a bowl berth every year...but
it's counter productive because the program will lose money in long run by
not playing the game.
It will happen - I'm not sure when it will happen - but it will happen.
The PAC12 will get left out of the four team playoff and the PAC college
presidents will convene to ask "what can we do to strengthen the
conference?" Many answers will be debated, but in the end the decision will
be made to vote two of the weak links out of the conference. The mighty PAC12
will once again become the PAC10.
This has nothing to do with who's better or who deserves to be in the PAC
12, BIG 12 yada yada yada. It was a game that belonged to Ute and BYU players
and fans. Part of the tradition for both schools. True, some of the fans have
started to go overboard, but it's a big deal.Uteology, not sure
where you're coming from. You wouldn't be here commenting if it
wasn't a big deal to you. In fact the many posters here, be they Ute or
Cougar fans are here because this is an important tradition that has recently
been violated by someone who quite frankly doesn't have the right to make
that decision. He really doesn't. He has the power, just not the right. Big
difference.It just shows that nothing is sacred and tradition means
nothing. It has been a blast and it was a good run.
Inexcusable. Disappointing. The tradition of college football is being decimated
by the almighty dollar.
"If any school deserved a call up to the next level, it was the
Cougars."------------Rumors are that the on-going 30
year "discussions" with the BIG 12 are getting close to wrapping up.
BYU will be in the Big 12, mark it down. If not then I'm sure
the SEC will pounce and invite BYU.
The real question is who will stop crying first?A) BYU fansB)
Deseret News and Salt Lake Tribune "journalists"Tough call!
Utah is in fact abandoning their culture. They did so the minute they accepted
the invitation to join the PAC-12. Before that Utah played no more than 4 or 5
"BCS caliber" opponents in the same year. The same goes for BYU. Last
year 11 of 13 opponents were BCS teams. (Even then an 8-5 record with our
injuries.) Looking ahead to the 2014 and 2015 seasons. For those two years
Utah has scheduled 21 of 24 games. Of the 21 all games are agains BCS opponents
except for Utah State in '14. Including Michigan twice, USC twice, UCLA
twice,Oregon twice, Stanford, Cal, Washington, and the remaining PAC-12 teams.
In contrast BYU has schedules 12 games of 24 games. Including one game with
Texsas and one with Nebraska. As of now that is the only BCS teams scheduled.
(Boise State (2 games scheduled) will join the Big East next year as well as
Houston (one game scheduled) (I believe.) And yet fans point out Utah can play
both Michigan and the Y. Can but understandably won't. "The
ball is in Utah's court". Hill's return - game, set, and match!
Utah ended up in the Pac simply because ...1-The Texas-Oklahoma Six
deal blew up.2-It blew up because Commissioner Scott knew the Presidents
of the Pac would never accept a Faith Based Institution like Baylor.3-Therefore, he jumped the gun, and invited Colorado early and first....Hoping
the remaining 5 would come along anyway.When Scott realized the
other 5 were not coming, Scott fell back to his last resort and invited Utah.It had nothing to do with Utah's 6 good years of Football...Nor did it have anything to do with Academics, as Utah ranks only 124th
in the Country where BYU ranks #71.Tuckett knew in the
'80's that the Pac would never allow a Faith Based school to spoil
their Socialistic-Utopia they had built for themselves.And anyone
who thinks that BYU had not long prepared for Independence, has just not been
paying attention.BYU could never have done in a few short weeks,
what they did with Independence, without extensive planning.BYU
needs to build it's schedule and stay Independent in Football.The WCC
is perfect for the Olympic Sports.And Utah will still won't win
Utah/BYU rivalry was just getting rediculously intense...let them go their
separate ways, and we can root for both to succeed, or neither, without the
terrible hatred that seemed to be fomenting...
Good for Utah. Just move on...create a new rivalry with Colorado and never look
It's now official. The Deseret News has just "jumped the
shark".The only culture that the Utes have abandoned by not
playing byu, is the culture of mediocrity.
True, except for your conclusion about whits program. Have u ever been to
Austin or Norman? Heard of Nebraska or Missouri? LSU or Arkansas are better
programs, just to name a few this side of alabama! Two BCS games does not make
the u a football powerhouse as demonstrated by their loss last year to their
pseudo rival, Colorado, and lackluster showing in the weaker division of the
once but not still powerful PAC.
Classic Lines...The Utes went Hollywood faster than the Beverly
Hillbillies. The Utes got into the league because A) Texas
didn't want to, B) BYU won't play on Sunday, and C) Kyle Whittingham
runs the best football program this side of Tuscaloosa.BYU had the
better overall program. Any sports follower in the state knows that's been
the case for decades.
Utah has been in the shadow of BYU for too long. Time to leave the nest and
make a name for themselves.
Frankly, nothing is sacred when it comes to college football. Someday, Hill will
regret his move. InHistory, when the verdict is out, when Hill's ugly
footnote is written in stone. He willBe mentioned in every article,
telecast and post game analysis. Hill killedThe rilvary.