DevilishUteUtah's 54-10 win from last year is valid, but so are
the overall results and final rankings, which trump any single game
accomplishment. U want to trumpet Utah's win over BYU, but ignore all of
Utah's mediocre performances, including Utah's implosion versus
Colorado.You can't ignore the rest of the season simply because
it detracts from your only significant accomplishment.bottom
line:BYU (10-3), #25/#26, ZERO losses to teams not ranked in the Top
40#17 Texas#20 TCU#39 UtahUtah (8-5), unranked,
FOUR losses to teams not ranked in the Top 40#12 Southern California#41 Arizona State#44 Washington#64 Arizona#107 Colorado
Comparing BYU's basketball program to Utah is irrelevant. It will be years
before the program recovers if it ever does. Utah has a shot at double digit
wins, but even with their patsie schedule, U have no chance of a winning record.
PAC12 will be improved over last year, but not by much. Arizona and UCLA
should be better, but I don't see a lot of improvement elsewhere unless
Utah moving up from 294 to about 250 is considered a big improvement.Now back to the story . . . I am a little disappointed at BYU's OOC
schedule. When compared with our real rival in basketball (Gonzaga) we
don't play as many top caliber teams as they do. We need to get two or
three more games against top shelf teams like Michigan St, Louisville, Kansas or
Texas. We can do better than this.I do think the WCC will be
another three conference bid. When was the last time the conference got three
teams into the NCAA in back to back years? BYU will have another 25 - 27 win
year. I'm hoping C. Collinsworth and Rogers will be back.
This OOC schedule is not going to blow back anyone's toupee on the
selection committee but it should be plenty good enough for a 7th straight
tournament bid if they can get to 25 wins also for the 7th straight year.
Can't have it both way, gents.Either the 54-10 drubbing is
still VALID since it happened just last year or it's in the past. You accuse me of referring to last year when it's convenient or
helps my cause and ignoring it when it does not. And then you do the SAME
"ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule."Yes,
it's all we have to use, but it's not valid or viable because the RPI
and the recrods for these teams will be different. My argument is airtight and
you know it.
I was hoping we could take a two year hiatus from playing Utah and schedule
Montana State or Cal State Fullerton instead of the Utes to increase our
strength of schedule.
Devilish Ute says:I forgot one.Weber State had a guy
picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.---Which makes the fact that that your head coach is scared to
play them even more embarrassing for U
54-IQ"I also like those "neutral site" games. You know,
the ones 45 minutes from your school in an arena packed with your fans a
thousand miles away from your opponents home."During
Jimmer's Junior and Senior seasons, BYU played Arizona in the McKale Center
and in Energy Solutions Arena.These "neutral" site games are
the only way some teams like Michigan State, Oklahoma State and Arizona will
play BYU in Utah, because they're too scared to play BYU in the Marriott
Center.The other reason BYU schedules some games in Energy Solutions
Arena is because the Marriott Center is booked for Christmas Around the World
for over a week each December.However, the most ironic thing about
BYU scheduling "neutral" games in Energy Solutions Arena is BYU has had
the highest attended college basketball game in Salt Lake City for several years
DevilishUteUnless you're a soothsayer, the records from last
season are the ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule. Posting the
RPI's from last season is very relevant, unless you're a Utah fan
who's embarrassed to see pathetically weak Utah's OOC really is.It's laughable that Utah fans constantly refer to records and
standings from previous seasons when they make the Utes look good, but bury
their heads in the sand and pretend that any record that makes the Utes look bad
doesn't exist.Utah's win over BYU - relevantUtah's loss to Colorado - irrelevantBYU's Top 25 finish
- irrelevantUtah's unranked finish - irrelevantUtah's losing conference record - irrelevantUtah's #1
draft choice and Sweet 16 appearance in 2004-05 - relevant BYU's Concensus National POY and domination of Utah during the Dave Rose
era - irrelevant-----------54-IQWeren't
the one claiming that BYU's OCC schedule was even worse than
Utah's?Denial is obviously a river the runs freely from the
SportsFan and Pudding pack,I forgot one.Weber State had
a guy picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.
SportsFan and Pudding pack,I'll be the first one to admit that
the Utah basketball program is not good right now, even terrible. And the Utah
schedule is embarrassing (calling it embarrassing might be a compliment).That being said, posting the RPI and records from last year's teams
really means nothing at all. Several of the teams you play this year lost really
good players to the draft, meaning it is unlikely they will be as good as they
were last year.ISU had a guy picked 16th.Baylor had 3 guys
picked (28th, 37th, and 38th)FSU had a guy picked 33rd.BYU's OOC schedule is superior to Utah's. Frankly, it wasn't
hard to do. But BYU's schedule does not look like that of the perennial
powerhouse you've made BYU out to be. In fact, it looks more like a paper
kitty's (tiger's) schedule.
There are 5 NCAA tourney teams on that schedule.
@ Snack PAC / SportsFanThanks to you both for listing the schedules
for both BYU and Utah, as well as for the compare and contrast.Amazingly quite a stark view of just how weak the Ute schedule/RPI is.However, like caleb in new york, I am pretty disappointed that there are
no big time programs scheduled with the exception of FSU/Notre Dame in the early
tourney and Baylor later. There are way too many patsy State schools (UTSA/GA
State/TN State/ENMSU/NAU). Surely Dave Rose and Tom Holmoe have enough clout
to schedule a few of the big-time programs occasionally. Teams like Duke, North
Carolina, Kansas, Syracuse, Texas, UCLA, Florida, etc. The last big-time
program to come here was Wake Forest.Tired of the excuse that Provo
is so far off the beaten path. For any school, it is a normal plane ride to a
major hub (SLC) and a 45-minute bus ride. A lot easier than getting to
Stillwater, OK or Ames, IA, etc.There is going to have to be a
considerable upgrade in BYU's future schedule if Dave Rose has any hope
whatsover of landing Jabari Parker.
@whitingnick"Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the
NCAA tourney last year?"Wait are we talking about last year or
this coming year? I'll be happy to take your money if you want to wager
that the Pac 12 will have a season to match the last one ... keep in mind it was
the worst season in easily 30 years.____________@LonestarRunner"Try comparing the top three teams in the WCC
with the top three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and
Pomeroy rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to
us when you're enlightened."Since when does Utah only play
the top 3 teams in the Pac 12 and BYU only play the top three in the WCC? And
for all your rankings, tourney appearances etc ... try looking beyond the one
down year the Pac 12 has had in about 30 years! - get back to me when
you're enlightened!_____________Cougar fans ... gotta
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahGo ahead. UVU has been trying to
schedule BYU for years. Cougs won't play them.I also like
those "neutral site" games. You know, the ones 45 minutes from your
school in an arena packed with your fans a thousand miles away from your
opponents home.Now that is neutral.
"This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA
committee"It could be improved by replacing Utah with UVU or
Why are we playing Utah? Were all the AAU teams booked? We have bigger fish to
fry than playing Utah and trashing our RPI.
motorbikeTry comparing the top three teams in the WCC with the top
three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy
rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to us when
you're enlightened.Nobody cares about the lower tier teams in
any conference if the best teams in the conference are weak.The
truth is, Chris Hill scheduled an entire slate of OOC patsies, except for BYU,
to help Krysto win at least 10 games this coming season and save his job. The
Utes couldn't care less about SOS because it won't even be a factor
for a team that has ZERO chance of getting an NCAA bid.
Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the NCAA tourney last year? How many
WCC teams made it to the tournament? The PAC 12 was AWFUL last year, probably
the worst PAC conferences in history. Both the Mountain West and WCC were better
conferences last year. Fact is, the talent level of basketball in the PAC has
been severely down for years. I'd hardly call their conference schedule a
This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA
You Coug fans crack me up. There's a little thing you guys
conveniently leave out of you strength of schedule stats. CONFERENCE GAMES.With Utah playing its most pathetic schedule maybe ever, I thought the Y would
definitely have a tougher one. But when you factor in conference games,
it's going to be close and I'll bet Utah's post-season SOS
ranking will end up the higher of the two.
hey guys thanks for posting the rpi stats - that was interesting and added to
the conversation. But BYU is not going to play all 3 of Florida St., St.
Josephs, and Notre Dame. They will just play 2 of those 3 teams. So according
to your accounting BYU has only 6 OOC games scheduled against teams from the
last seasons top 100 rpi. And Utah is third-to-last not second-to-last on the
rpi list from last year. Utah is going to improve at least somewhat...no way
they consistently stay as bad as they were last year. I think its good to
schedule the in-state schools just to keep traveling down. In that sense, it
seems like it would be worth it to schedule a game sometime against UVU instead
of a D-II team like Eastern New Mexico.
You've got to congratulate Chris Hill on his ingenuity, somehow scheduling
two opponents that finished with even fewer wins than the Utes.
Next to Northern Arizona, Utah is the weakest opponent on BYU's schedule
and will do nothing for their (BYU's) RPI. There is a very strong case for
dropping Utah from the schedule. BYU promises to be a basketball power for the
forseeable future while Utah struggles for relevance in a very weak PAC12
conference. Utah's refusal to play BYU in football makes the decision to
drop them from the basketball schedule even easier. Just do it.
"This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball schedule.....and that's
saying something."lolWhat you're saying is you
don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.BYU
scheduled SEVEN OOC opponents that finished in the RPI Top 100 last season.TWELVE opponents that finished with winning records.Besides BYU,
the BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule is #173 Boise St 13-17.Besides BYU, Utah didn't schedule a single opponent that finished with a
winning record.BYU RAISED Utah's average opponent RPI by 21,
from 259 to 238.Utah LOWERED BYU's average opponent RPI by 10, from
119 to 129.Interestingly, Utah scheduled a home-and-home with #219
SMU 13-19, while refusing to play #70 Weber State 23-5 or #143 Utah State
17-14.The Utes have become the biggest cowards in the state -
it's not even close.
BYU 2012-13RPI Opponent Recordu/r SE Okla St 12-17u/r
Findlay 24-7#106 Tenn St 19-11 #140 Georgia St 20-10#11
Florida St 21-9#39 Notre Dame 21-10#69 St Joseph's 19-12#197 UT San Antonio 18-13#323 CS Northridge 7-21#74 Montana
25-7#33 at Iowa State 22-8#143 Utah State 17-14#274 Utah
6-25#70 at Weber State 23-5u/r E New Mexico 14-14#8 Baylor
25-6#338 No Arizona 5-24#116 Va Tech 15-16Average 17-13;
RPI 129Average w/o Utah 18-12; RPI 119SEVEN RPI Top 100------------Utah 2012-13u/r Simon Fraser 8-18u/r
Willamette 5-20#314 Sacramento St 10-18#280 Cent Michigan 11-21#290 Idaho St 9-21#224 Wright St 13-19#219 SMU 13-19#288
Texas St 13-17#173 Boise St 13-17#45 BYU 26-8 u/r Evergreen St
1-26#219 SMU 13-19#323 CS Northridge 7-21Average 11-19;
RPI 238Average w/o BYU 10-20; RPI 259
The BYU press release shows Montana, and not Montana State.
Lot of people here acting like someone turned them down for the junior prom. The
fact that Utah chooses to play Michigan twice instead of BYU in those years in
football should have no impact on basketball scheduling. Sure it's a gimme
game and the whole schedule needs to be upgraded, but boycotting the Utes makes
it seems like we are just reacting to what they did rather than just taking care
of our own business in a proactive fashion. Why should we throw a tantrum over
what Chris Hill did - especially because he is working under pressure from the
PAC-12. Acting hurt by what Utah does looks like we are co-dependent, when in
fact we have a pretty good program and should call our own shots.
So do we get two years off of playing Utah? That game does nothing for our
stength of schedule. Would rather have a one and one with UNLV
54-IQ"This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball..."Not even close, but you're welcome to believe whatever helps you
sleep at night.
This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball schedule.....and that's saying
not sure if BYU will be black-listed forever by MWC teams but one way to upgrade
the non-conference schedule is if BYU could get some series with some MWC teams
like New Mexico, UNLV, or SDSU. SDSU might be a greater possibility in the
future because starting next season they are bailing on the MWC and will be
playing in a weaker conference and therefore might need to find more ooomph for
their non-conference schedule just like BYU does.
Thank you, BYU, for assembling what is easily the best NCAA basketball schedule
in the state of Utah. I'm not a Y fan, but I'll certainly be watching
several of the Y's games!
as a NY resident I'm happy about the Brooklyn games, but I think its an
underwhelming schedule. We don't know completely in advance how good each
team will be, but Iowa State and Baylor both figure to be weaker than they were
last season (based on who they lost to the draft). Definitely not a
Gonzaga-type non-conference schedule. I don't think we ought to dump
Utah completely from the schedule but we ought to play them in the Dec. 18th
slot (instead of the D-II team E.N.M.) and find another quality D-I team to play
while dumping the D-II game.
EDITOR: Error regarding Nov 28th game. Is it Montana State or Montana? Story
lists MSU, while the schedule shows UM.
The Home schedule is pathetic.
I'm not sure how playing Utah in the preseason helps the Cougars. If you
win, it hurts your RPI and if you lose, then it hurts your RPI and counts as a
bad loss...we probably shouldn't schedule such an inferior team in the
Wow, after seeing how pathetic Utah's schedule is this year I never
would've thought BYU's would rival it. Turns out it does. It'll
be interesting to see some preseason SOS rankings. With where Utah's
program currently is I can sort of understand why they scheduled the way they
did this year. But for Rose to schedule like he has with a program that is
supposedly humming along at a nice speed, well, I just don't get it.
Utes will pose a significant challenge? Really? Come on now, let's come
back to reality.
Two losses max. Baylor and ND or whoever they play for the championship game in
the Coaches vs. Cancer classic. Could win that one but not Baylor. Utes will
pose a significant challenge... staying awake and up to watch the game.
BYU needs to stop scheduling Utah for basektball, since Utah thinks there to
good for them now in football, I would concur that BYU is better than Utah in
basketball and there is little to no reason to play that team anymore, they just
hurt your RPI.