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Published: Wednesday, July 11 2012 2:42 p.m. MDT

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motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

You Coug fans crack me up.
There's a little thing you guys conveniently leave out of you strength of schedule stats. CONFERENCE GAMES.
With Utah playing its most pathetic schedule maybe ever, I thought the Y would definitely have a tougher one. But when you factor in conference games, it's going to be close and I'll bet Utah's post-season SOS ranking will end up the higher of the two.

whitingnick
Orem, UT

This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA committee

whitingnick
Orem, UT

Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the NCAA tourney last year? How many WCC teams made it to the tournament? The PAC 12 was AWFUL last year, probably the worst PAC conferences in history. Both the Mountain West and WCC were better conferences last year. Fact is, the talent level of basketball in the PAC has been severely down for years. I'd hardly call their conference schedule a powerful one.

LonestarRunner
Salt Lake City, UT

motorbike

Try comparing the top three teams in the WCC with the top three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to us when you're enlightened.

Nobody cares about the lower tier teams in any conference if the best teams in the conference are weak.

The truth is, Chris Hill scheduled an entire slate of OOC patsies, except for BYU, to help Krysto win at least 10 games this coming season and save his job. The Utes couldn't care less about SOS because it won't even be a factor for a team that has ZERO chance of getting an NCAA bid.

EdGrady
Idaho Falls, ID

Why are we playing Utah? Were all the AAU teams booked? We have bigger fish to fry than playing Utah and trashing our RPI.

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

"This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA committee"

It could be improved by replacing Utah with UVU or SUU.

54-10
Salt Lake City, UT

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

Go ahead. UVU has been trying to schedule BYU for years. Cougs won't play them.

I also like those "neutral site" games. You know, the ones 45 minutes from your school in an arena packed with your fans a thousand miles away from your opponents home.

Now that is neutral.

motorbike
Cottonwood Heights, UT

@whitingnick

"Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the NCAA tourney last year?"

Wait are we talking about last year or this coming year? I'll be happy to take your money if you want to wager that the Pac 12 will have a season to match the last one ... keep in mind it was the worst season in easily 30 years.
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@LonestarRunner

"Try comparing the top three teams in the WCC with the top three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to us when you're enlightened."

Since when does Utah only play the top 3 teams in the Pac 12 and BYU only play the top three in the WCC? And for all your rankings, tourney appearances etc ... try looking beyond the one down year the Pac 12 has had in about 30 years! - get back to me when you're enlightened!
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Cougar fans ... gotta love 'em.

Alpine Coug
Alpine, UT

@ Snack PAC / SportsFan

Thanks to you both for listing the schedules for both BYU and Utah, as well as for the compare and contrast.

Amazingly quite a stark view of just how weak the Ute schedule/RPI is.

However, like caleb in new york, I am pretty disappointed that there are no big time programs scheduled with the exception of FSU/Notre Dame in the early tourney and Baylor later. There are way too many patsy State schools (UTSA/GA State/TN State/ENMSU/NAU). Surely Dave Rose and Tom Holmoe have enough clout to schedule a few of the big-time programs occasionally. Teams like Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Syracuse, Texas, UCLA, Florida, etc. The last big-time program to come here was Wake Forest.

Tired of the excuse that Provo is so far off the beaten path. For any school, it is a normal plane ride to a major hub (SLC) and a 45-minute bus ride. A lot easier than getting to Stillwater, OK or Ames, IA, etc.

There is going to have to be a considerable upgrade in BYU's future schedule if Dave Rose has any hope whatsover of landing Jabari Parker.

Duckhunter
Highland, UT

There are 5 NCAA tourney teams on that schedule.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

SportsFan and Pudding pack,

I'll be the first one to admit that the Utah basketball program is not good right now, even terrible. And the Utah schedule is embarrassing (calling it embarrassing might be a compliment).

That being said, posting the RPI and records from last year's teams really means nothing at all. Several of the teams you play this year lost really good players to the draft, meaning it is unlikely they will be as good as they were last year.

ISU had a guy picked 16th.
Baylor had 3 guys picked (28th, 37th, and 38th)
FSU had a guy picked 33rd.

BYU's OOC schedule is superior to Utah's. Frankly, it wasn't hard to do. But BYU's schedule does not look like that of the perennial powerhouse you've made BYU out to be. In fact, it looks more like a paper kitty's (tiger's) schedule.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

SportsFan and Pudding pack,

I forgot one.

Weber State had a guy picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.

phoenix
Gilbert, AZ

DevilishUte

Unless you're a soothsayer, the records from last season are the ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule. Posting the RPI's from last season is very relevant, unless you're a Utah fan who's embarrassed to see pathetically weak Utah's OOC really is.

It's laughable that Utah fans constantly refer to records and standings from previous seasons when they make the Utes look good, but bury their heads in the sand and pretend that any record that makes the Utes look bad doesn't exist.

Utah's win over BYU - relevant

Utah's loss to Colorado - irrelevant

BYU's Top 25 finish - irrelevant

Utah's unranked finish - irrelevant

Utah's losing conference record - irrelevant

Utah's #1 draft choice and Sweet 16 appearance in 2004-05 - relevant

BYU's Concensus National POY and domination of Utah during the Dave Rose era - irrelevant

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54-IQ

Weren't the one claiming that BYU's OCC schedule was even worse than Utah's?

Denial is obviously a river the runs freely from the hill.

Truth Machine
Salt Lake City, UT

54-IQ

"I also like those "neutral site" games. You know, the ones 45 minutes from your school in an arena packed with your fans a thousand miles away from your opponents home."

During Jimmer's Junior and Senior seasons, BYU played Arizona in the McKale Center and in Energy Solutions Arena.

These "neutral" site games are the only way some teams like Michigan State, Oklahoma State and Arizona will play BYU in Utah, because they're too scared to play BYU in the Marriott Center.

The other reason BYU schedules some games in Energy Solutions Arena is because the Marriott Center is booked for Christmas Around the World for over a week each December.

However, the most ironic thing about BYU scheduling "neutral" games in Energy Solutions Arena is BYU has had the highest attended college basketball game in Salt Lake City for several years now.

agb
Layton, UT

Devilish Ute says:

I forgot one.

Weber State had a guy picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.

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Which makes the fact that that your head coach is scared to play them even more embarrassing for U

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

I was hoping we could take a two year hiatus from playing Utah and schedule Montana State or Cal State Fullerton instead of the Utes to increase our strength of schedule.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

"ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule."

Yes, it's all we have to use, but it's not valid or viable because the RPI and the recrods for these teams will be different. My argument is airtight and you know it.

DevilishUte
Tempe, AZ

Can't have it both way, gents.

Either the 54-10 drubbing is still VALID since it happened just last year or it's in the past.

You accuse me of referring to last year when it's convenient or helps my cause and ignoring it when it does not. And then you do the SAME thing. Comical!

RepresentBlue
West Jordan, UT

This OOC schedule is not going to blow back anyone's toupee on the selection committee but it should be plenty good enough for a 7th straight tournament bid if they can get to 25 wins also for the 7th straight year.

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

Comparing BYU's basketball program to Utah is irrelevant. It will be years before the program recovers if it ever does. Utah has a shot at double digit wins, but even with their patsie schedule, U have no chance of a winning record. PAC12 will be improved over last year, but not by much. Arizona and UCLA should be better, but I don't see a lot of improvement elsewhere unless Utah moving up from 294 to about 250 is considered a big improvement.

Now back to the story . . . I am a little disappointed at BYU's OOC schedule. When compared with our real rival in basketball (Gonzaga) we don't play as many top caliber teams as they do. We need to get two or three more games against top shelf teams like Michigan St, Louisville, Kansas or Texas. We can do better than this.

I do think the WCC will be another three conference bid. When was the last time the conference got three teams into the NCAA in back to back years? BYU will have another 25 - 27 win year. I'm hoping C. Collinsworth and Rogers will be back.

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