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  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 14, 2012 11:44 a.m.

    DevilishUte

    Utah's 54-10 win from last year is valid, but so are the overall results and final rankings, which trump any single game accomplishment. U want to trumpet Utah's win over BYU, but ignore all of Utah's mediocre performances, including Utah's implosion versus Colorado.

    You can't ignore the rest of the season simply because it detracts from your only significant accomplishment.

    bottom line:

    BYU (10-3), #25/#26, ZERO losses to teams not ranked in the Top 40
    #17 Texas
    #20 TCU
    #39 Utah

    Utah (8-5), unranked, FOUR losses to teams not ranked in the Top 40
    #12 Southern California
    #41 Arizona State
    #44 Washington
    #64 Arizona
    #107 Colorado

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 14, 2012 7:58 a.m.

    Comparing BYU's basketball program to Utah is irrelevant. It will be years before the program recovers if it ever does. Utah has a shot at double digit wins, but even with their patsie schedule, U have no chance of a winning record. PAC12 will be improved over last year, but not by much. Arizona and UCLA should be better, but I don't see a lot of improvement elsewhere unless Utah moving up from 294 to about 250 is considered a big improvement.

    Now back to the story . . . I am a little disappointed at BYU's OOC schedule. When compared with our real rival in basketball (Gonzaga) we don't play as many top caliber teams as they do. We need to get two or three more games against top shelf teams like Michigan St, Louisville, Kansas or Texas. We can do better than this.

    I do think the WCC will be another three conference bid. When was the last time the conference got three teams into the NCAA in back to back years? BYU will have another 25 - 27 win year. I'm hoping C. Collinsworth and Rogers will be back.

  • RepresentBlue West Jordan, UT
    July 13, 2012 11:30 a.m.

    This OOC schedule is not going to blow back anyone's toupee on the selection committee but it should be plenty good enough for a 7th straight tournament bid if they can get to 25 wins also for the 7th straight year.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 13, 2012 9:22 a.m.

    Can't have it both way, gents.

    Either the 54-10 drubbing is still VALID since it happened just last year or it's in the past.

    You accuse me of referring to last year when it's convenient or helps my cause and ignoring it when it does not. And then you do the SAME thing. Comical!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 13, 2012 9:12 a.m.

    "ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule."

    Yes, it's all we have to use, but it's not valid or viable because the RPI and the recrods for these teams will be different. My argument is airtight and you know it.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 13, 2012 7:03 a.m.

    I was hoping we could take a two year hiatus from playing Utah and schedule Montana State or Cal State Fullerton instead of the Utes to increase our strength of schedule.

  • agb Layton, UT
    July 12, 2012 8:59 p.m.

    Devilish Ute says:

    I forgot one.

    Weber State had a guy picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.

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    Which makes the fact that that your head coach is scared to play them even more embarrassing for U

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 6:23 p.m.

    54-IQ

    "I also like those "neutral site" games. You know, the ones 45 minutes from your school in an arena packed with your fans a thousand miles away from your opponents home."

    During Jimmer's Junior and Senior seasons, BYU played Arizona in the McKale Center and in Energy Solutions Arena.

    These "neutral" site games are the only way some teams like Michigan State, Oklahoma State and Arizona will play BYU in Utah, because they're too scared to play BYU in the Marriott Center.

    The other reason BYU schedules some games in Energy Solutions Arena is because the Marriott Center is booked for Christmas Around the World for over a week each December.

    However, the most ironic thing about BYU scheduling "neutral" games in Energy Solutions Arena is BYU has had the highest attended college basketball game in Salt Lake City for several years now.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 12, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    DevilishUte

    Unless you're a soothsayer, the records from last season are the ONLY viable comparisons of this year's schedule. Posting the RPI's from last season is very relevant, unless you're a Utah fan who's embarrassed to see pathetically weak Utah's OOC really is.

    It's laughable that Utah fans constantly refer to records and standings from previous seasons when they make the Utes look good, but bury their heads in the sand and pretend that any record that makes the Utes look bad doesn't exist.

    Utah's win over BYU - relevant

    Utah's loss to Colorado - irrelevant

    BYU's Top 25 finish - irrelevant

    Utah's unranked finish - irrelevant

    Utah's losing conference record - irrelevant

    Utah's #1 draft choice and Sweet 16 appearance in 2004-05 - relevant

    BYU's Concensus National POY and domination of Utah during the Dave Rose era - irrelevant

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    54-IQ

    Weren't the one claiming that BYU's OCC schedule was even worse than Utah's?

    Denial is obviously a river the runs freely from the hill.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2012 4:13 p.m.

    SportsFan and Pudding pack,

    I forgot one.

    Weber State had a guy picked 6th. They will definitely not be as good without Lilard.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 12, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    SportsFan and Pudding pack,

    I'll be the first one to admit that the Utah basketball program is not good right now, even terrible. And the Utah schedule is embarrassing (calling it embarrassing might be a compliment).

    That being said, posting the RPI and records from last year's teams really means nothing at all. Several of the teams you play this year lost really good players to the draft, meaning it is unlikely they will be as good as they were last year.

    ISU had a guy picked 16th.
    Baylor had 3 guys picked (28th, 37th, and 38th)
    FSU had a guy picked 33rd.

    BYU's OOC schedule is superior to Utah's. Frankly, it wasn't hard to do. But BYU's schedule does not look like that of the perennial powerhouse you've made BYU out to be. In fact, it looks more like a paper kitty's (tiger's) schedule.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2012 2:50 p.m.

    There are 5 NCAA tourney teams on that schedule.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    July 12, 2012 1:47 p.m.

    @ Snack PAC / SportsFan

    Thanks to you both for listing the schedules for both BYU and Utah, as well as for the compare and contrast.

    Amazingly quite a stark view of just how weak the Ute schedule/RPI is.

    However, like caleb in new york, I am pretty disappointed that there are no big time programs scheduled with the exception of FSU/Notre Dame in the early tourney and Baylor later. There are way too many patsy State schools (UTSA/GA State/TN State/ENMSU/NAU). Surely Dave Rose and Tom Holmoe have enough clout to schedule a few of the big-time programs occasionally. Teams like Duke, North Carolina, Kansas, Syracuse, Texas, UCLA, Florida, etc. The last big-time program to come here was Wake Forest.

    Tired of the excuse that Provo is so far off the beaten path. For any school, it is a normal plane ride to a major hub (SLC) and a 45-minute bus ride. A lot easier than getting to Stillwater, OK or Ames, IA, etc.

    There is going to have to be a considerable upgrade in BYU's future schedule if Dave Rose has any hope whatsover of landing Jabari Parker.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 12, 2012 1:22 p.m.

    @whitingnick

    "Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the NCAA tourney last year?"

    Wait are we talking about last year or this coming year? I'll be happy to take your money if you want to wager that the Pac 12 will have a season to match the last one ... keep in mind it was the worst season in easily 30 years.
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    @LonestarRunner

    "Try comparing the top three teams in the WCC with the top three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to us when you're enlightened."

    Since when does Utah only play the top 3 teams in the Pac 12 and BYU only play the top three in the WCC? And for all your rankings, tourney appearances etc ... try looking beyond the one down year the Pac 12 has had in about 30 years! - get back to me when you're enlightened!
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    Cougar fans ... gotta love 'em.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 9:39 a.m.

    Snack PAC
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Go ahead. UVU has been trying to schedule BYU for years. Cougs won't play them.

    I also like those "neutral site" games. You know, the ones 45 minutes from your school in an arena packed with your fans a thousand miles away from your opponents home.

    Now that is neutral.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 12, 2012 8:58 a.m.

    "This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA committee"

    It could be improved by replacing Utah with UVU or SUU.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 12, 2012 8:40 a.m.

    Why are we playing Utah? Were all the AAU teams booked? We have bigger fish to fry than playing Utah and trashing our RPI.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2012 12:20 a.m.

    motorbike

    Try comparing the top three teams in the WCC with the top three teams in the PAC 12 - win/loss records, RPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy rankings, NCAA tournament appearances and win/loss records - get back to us when you're enlightened.

    Nobody cares about the lower tier teams in any conference if the best teams in the conference are weak.

    The truth is, Chris Hill scheduled an entire slate of OOC patsies, except for BYU, to help Krysto win at least 10 games this coming season and save his job. The Utes couldn't care less about SOS because it won't even be a factor for a team that has ZERO chance of getting an NCAA bid.

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    July 12, 2012 12:00 a.m.

    Motorbike, how many Pac 12 teams made it to the NCAA tourney last year? How many WCC teams made it to the tournament? The PAC 12 was AWFUL last year, probably the worst PAC conferences in history. Both the Mountain West and WCC were better conferences last year. Fact is, the talent level of basketball in the PAC has been severely down for years. I'd hardly call their conference schedule a powerful one.

  • whitingnick Orem, UT
    July 11, 2012 11:48 p.m.

    This is a pretty weak schedule... Don't expect this to wow the NCAA committee

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2012 11:00 p.m.

    You Coug fans crack me up.
    There's a little thing you guys conveniently leave out of you strength of schedule stats. CONFERENCE GAMES.
    With Utah playing its most pathetic schedule maybe ever, I thought the Y would definitely have a tougher one. But when you factor in conference games, it's going to be close and I'll bet Utah's post-season SOS ranking will end up the higher of the two.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    July 11, 2012 10:40 p.m.

    hey guys thanks for posting the rpi stats - that was interesting and added to the conversation. But BYU is not going to play all 3 of Florida St., St. Josephs, and Notre Dame. They will just play 2 of those 3 teams. So according to your accounting BYU has only 6 OOC games scheduled against teams from the last seasons top 100 rpi. And Utah is third-to-last not second-to-last on the rpi list from last year. Utah is going to improve at least somewhat...no way they consistently stay as bad as they were last year. I think its good to schedule the in-state schools just to keep traveling down. In that sense, it seems like it would be worth it to schedule a game sometime against UVU instead of a D-II team like Eastern New Mexico.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2012 10:07 p.m.

    You've got to congratulate Chris Hill on his ingenuity, somehow scheduling two opponents that finished with even fewer wins than the Utes.

  • gchris rock springs, wy
    July 11, 2012 10:01 p.m.

    Next to Northern Arizona, Utah is the weakest opponent on BYU's schedule and will do nothing for their (BYU's) RPI. There is a very strong case for dropping Utah from the schedule. BYU promises to be a basketball power for the forseeable future while Utah struggles for relevance in a very weak PAC12 conference. Utah's refusal to play BYU in football makes the decision to drop them from the basketball schedule even easier. Just do it.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 11, 2012 9:56 p.m.

    "This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball schedule.....and that's saying something."

    lol

    What you're saying is you don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.

    BYU scheduled SEVEN OOC opponents that finished in the RPI Top 100 last season.
    TWELVE opponents that finished with winning records.

    Besides BYU, the BEST OOC opponent on Utah's schedule is #173 Boise St 13-17.
    Besides BYU, Utah didn't schedule a single opponent that finished with a winning record.

    BYU RAISED Utah's average opponent RPI by 21, from 259 to 238.
    Utah LOWERED BYU's average opponent RPI by 10, from 119 to 129.

    Interestingly, Utah scheduled a home-and-home with #219 SMU 13-19, while refusing to play #70 Weber State 23-5 or #143 Utah State 17-14.

    The Utes have become the biggest cowards in the state - it's not even close.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 11, 2012 9:33 p.m.

    BYU 2012-13

    RPI Opponent Record
    u/r SE Okla St 12-17
    u/r Findlay 24-7
    #106 Tenn St 19-11
    #140 Georgia St 20-10
    #11 Florida St 21-9
    #39 Notre Dame 21-10
    #69 St Joseph's 19-12
    #197 UT San Antonio 18-13
    #323 CS Northridge 7-21
    #74 Montana 25-7
    #33 at Iowa State 22-8
    #143 Utah State 17-14
    #274 Utah 6-25
    #70 at Weber State 23-5
    u/r E New Mexico 14-14
    #8 Baylor 25-6
    #338 No Arizona 5-24
    #116 Va Tech 15-16

    Average 17-13; RPI 129
    Average w/o Utah 18-12; RPI 119

    SEVEN RPI Top 100

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    Utah 2012-13

    u/r Simon Fraser 8-18
    u/r Willamette 5-20
    #314 Sacramento St 10-18
    #280 Cent Michigan 11-21
    #290 Idaho St 9-21
    #224 Wright St 13-19
    #219 SMU 13-19
    #288 Texas St 13-17
    #173 Boise St 13-17
    #45 BYU 26-8
    u/r Evergreen St 1-26
    #219 SMU 13-19
    #323 CS Northridge 7-21

    Average 11-19; RPI 238
    Average w/o BYU 10-20; RPI 259

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 9:19 p.m.

    The BYU press release shows Montana, and not Montana State.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    July 11, 2012 8:55 p.m.

    Lot of people here acting like someone turned them down for the junior prom. The fact that Utah chooses to play Michigan twice instead of BYU in those years in football should have no impact on basketball scheduling. Sure it's a gimme game and the whole schedule needs to be upgraded, but boycotting the Utes makes it seems like we are just reacting to what they did rather than just taking care of our own business in a proactive fashion. Why should we throw a tantrum over what Chris Hill did - especially because he is working under pressure from the PAC-12. Acting hurt by what Utah does looks like we are co-dependent, when in fact we have a pretty good program and should call our own shots.

  • I Bleed Blue Las Vegas, NV
    July 11, 2012 7:39 p.m.

    So do we get two years off of playing Utah? That game does nothing for our stength of schedule. Would rather have a one and one with UNLV

  • CG Orem, UT
    July 11, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    54-IQ

    "This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball..."

    Not even close, but you're welcome to believe whatever helps you sleep at night.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2012 6:27 p.m.

    This schedule is worse that the Utah b-ball schedule.....and that's saying something.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    July 11, 2012 5:30 p.m.

    not sure if BYU will be black-listed forever by MWC teams but one way to upgrade the non-conference schedule is if BYU could get some series with some MWC teams like New Mexico, UNLV, or SDSU. SDSU might be a greater possibility in the future because starting next season they are bailing on the MWC and will be playing in a weaker conference and therefore might need to find more ooomph for their non-conference schedule just like BYU does.

  • ouisc Farmington, UT
    July 11, 2012 5:29 p.m.

    Thank you, BYU, for assembling what is easily the best NCAA basketball schedule in the state of Utah. I'm not a Y fan, but I'll certainly be watching several of the Y's games!

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    July 11, 2012 5:02 p.m.

    as a NY resident I'm happy about the Brooklyn games, but I think its an underwhelming schedule. We don't know completely in advance how good each team will be, but Iowa State and Baylor both figure to be weaker than they were last season (based on who they lost to the draft). Definitely not a Gonzaga-type non-conference schedule. I don't think we ought to dump Utah completely from the schedule but we ought to play them in the Dec. 18th slot (instead of the D-II team E.N.M.) and find another quality D-I team to play while dumping the D-II game.

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    July 11, 2012 4:11 p.m.

    EDITOR: Error regarding Nov 28th game. Is it Montana State or Montana? Story lists MSU, while the schedule shows UM.

  • Yerffoegn Maricopa, Az
    July 11, 2012 4:05 p.m.

    The Home schedule is pathetic.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 11, 2012 3:59 p.m.

    I'm not sure how playing Utah in the preseason helps the Cougars. If you win, it hurts your RPI and if you lose, then it hurts your RPI and counts as a bad loss...we probably shouldn't schedule such an inferior team in the future.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:52 p.m.

    Wow, after seeing how pathetic Utah's schedule is this year I never would've thought BYU's would rival it. Turns out it does. It'll be interesting to see some preseason SOS rankings.
    With where Utah's program currently is I can sort of understand why they scheduled the way they did this year. But for Rose to schedule like he has with a program that is supposedly humming along at a nice speed, well, I just don't get it.

  • Unca Bon OREM, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    Utes will pose a significant challenge? Really? Come on now, let's come back to reality.

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    Two losses max. Baylor and ND or whoever they play for the championship game in the Coaches vs. Cancer classic. Could win that one but not Baylor. Utes will pose a significant challenge... staying awake and up to watch the game.

  • Utehaterforlife Syracuse, UT
    July 11, 2012 3:18 p.m.

    BYU needs to stop scheduling Utah for basektball, since Utah thinks there to good for them now in football, I would concur that BYU is better than Utah in basketball and there is little to no reason to play that team anymore, they just hurt your RPI.