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Published: Wednesday, July 11 2012 3:04 p.m. MDT

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Seronac
Orem, UT

NO! You mean that wealth redistribution doesn't work?!

Exactly...

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

"Do you really think that we are going to let people starve? Do you think I would let my family or neighbors die of hunger? "

But you are. People are starving, Too. And we are letting them. Your neighbors are starving. Children are starving. Oh, wait a second, you mean only your immediate neighbors, right. You aren't talking about all of God's children around the world, are you? Just Americans. That live next to you. Ah, of course. Well tell you what, why don't all you charitable people and religions get on the ball and start taking care of the needs of all the poor and we can get government out of it. Hurry up, they are waiting.

You say Jesus didn't give handouts? What Bible do you read? The one I know says that Jesus fed the multitudes. And he asked for nothing, absolutely nothing, to do it. He gave them a handout. The Jesus I know said for the rich to give everything they have to the poor. Everything. No strings attached. Give it to them, a handout, Too.

Have you given everything you have to the poor, Too? Are you a Christian?

Rational
Salt Lake City, UT

LDS

I think you are confusing Jesus, who asked individuals to give of their own free will, and using their own good judgement, with Robin Hood, who robbed from the rich to give to the poor so he would be popular with the people and become famous.

CottageCheese
SALT LAKE CITY, UT

Mark...

If the multitude found out that there was free food every night out at the mount - and quit working to provide their own...
would Jesus keep feeding them?

I hope thats an obvious answer.

PLUS youre taking that story out of context. The multitude wasnt fed because they had nothing... They were fed because they had lefy their homes to follow Jesus and hear his teachings. Having left their own food and resources they grew hungry and Jesud fed them.

There

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

Conservatives don't have compassion. Dogmatic liberals don't have competence (and they probably aren't even compassionate either, consider Obama's black list for political enemies and his hit list of terrorists). We need a new liberalism. Jack Kemp (a Republican senator from New York) described himself as being a bleeding heart conservatives. We need bleeding heart conservatives.

A Guy With A Brain
Enid, OK

Article title: "Study: $15 Trillion In Welfare Spending Since 1964 Has Had Little Impact"

News flash: conservatives have known this since at least 1975.

(and some of us around here new it would not work even BEFORE Lyndon Johnson started his so-called 'Great Society')

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

CottageCheese asks: . . . would Jesus keep feeding them? I hope thats an obvious answer.

Yes, the answer is obvious, of course He would feed them. Why in the world do you think He wouldn’t?

Mt. 5:42. Give to him who asks of you. . .

Luke 3:11. "Let the man with two tunics share with him who has none, and let him who has food do likewise."

Is. 58:66ff. . . . divide your bread with the hungry, and bring the homeless poor into the house; when you see the naked, to cover him. . .

Deut. 15:7. . . .you shall not harden your heart, nor close your hand to your poor brother; but you shall freely open your hand to him, and generously lend him sufficient for his need in whatever he lacks.

Ezek. 16:49ff. "Behold, this was the guilt of your sister Sodom: she and her daughters had arrogance, abundant food, and careless ease, but she did not help the poor and needy. Thus they were haughty and committed abominations before Me. Therefore I removed them when I saw it."

There are no loopholes, no strings attached, He never asks WHY someone is poor. Why are you?

TOO
Sanpete, UT

Mark

Talk about taking things WAY out of context. You really expect me to feed 6 billion people? I know there are obviously people starving, I never denied that.
But yes, I do give lots to the poor. Obviously I can't give EVERYTHING. My wife and I made 13K last year--of that, 3K went to charitable organizations, 7K went to school. We lived off of 3K.
I'm sure when you were a newly-wed you were able to afford to give everything, but I can't. I give what I can, and that's all Christ expects. Libs are so high in their own eyes that they can't accept the fact that conservatives really do give--when they can, what they can. That is the true teaching of Christ. He didn't force anything from anyone. Yet I have to pay what I can PLUS what the Government thinks I can afford. Christlike? More like demonic.

chaliceman
Salt Lake City, UT

Poverty will always be with us. By definition, poverty includes those on the lower tier of the income scale, no matter what their income is. How we chose to deal with poverty is a reflection on the quality of the culture, its people and institutions. We can do better. Where this article goes wrong is in its assumption that our welfare programs were designed to end poverty. They were designed to assist those in the lower income bracket have the basic necessities for life which include food, housing, health care and education and help many get into a position where they no longer need this assistance.

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Mountanman
Hayden, ID

Folks we have not even begun to see the fallout from all this misplaced “compassion” for poverty that has only increased it! Wait until we are forced to correct it!

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

Mark,
familiar with the Old Testament?

You know the story of Joseph who was sold into Egypt? Of the seven years of fat and seven years of lean?

Read the story again, and note that during the 7 years of lean, Joseph did not just give food to the people, he sold it to them. And when they ran out of money, he had them pledge assets to borrow to buy the food. All this was done so the people would not become dependent on the govenrment, but would realize they were responsible for themselves. Otherwise, in year 8 they would have shown up at the steps of the royal grainery demanding to be fed, because that is what they had become accustomed to during the prior 7 years.

If you esteem Joesph to have been inspired, you would expect what he did to be in line with what Christ would teach a couple thousand years later.

in other words, help the poor to help themselves. The infirm, diabled we will always have, and we SHOULD provide for them, but we should NOT make the able-bodied dependent. It hurts them MORE than it hurts us.

averageguy
WASHINGTON, UT

LDS

When Jesus said to care for the poor, I don't recall him speaking to the Government and telling them to compell the citizens to socialize the funding of the poor. I thought he was speaking to individuals about having compassion for the poor and voluntarily giving of their own personal means to care for those in need. All of Jesus's teachings that I have read seem to be about changing my personal heart towards compassion. Personal voluntary compassion to help the poor is much different than government involuntary compulsion to help the poor. We all have an responsibility to help the poor, I prefer my moral duty as taught by Jesus as opposed to my compelled obligation as required by government. Perhaps it's the same money out of my pocket, but one builds my character, makes me feel good and gives me the opportunity to help those I see in need. The other way brings no such feelings or satisfaction.

Whos Life RU Living?
Ogden, UT

The Old Testament is probably the worst book to use for examples of compassion.

Judges 19:22-30

For some reason, Christians love to jump back to the Old Testament to justify their beliefs, but ignore Jesus' socialistic ideals in the New Testament.

How do so many people misinterpret the following scripture?

Mark 10:21 "Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me."

If Jesus came today, many of us would not be considered Christian!

Bill Tibbitts
Salt Lake City, UT

It is silly to evaluate programs for seniors and people with disabilities as if the goal of those programs was to turn them into millionaires.

Of course, nothing can compete with Cato's Soylent Green plan when it comes to "eliminating" poverty.

Rifleman
Salt Lake City, Utah

Re: mark Salt Lake City, UT
"Have you given everything you have to the poor, Too? Are you a Christian?"

"Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime." - Chinese Proverb

Jesus never taught that it was OK take from the man who worked for his money and give it to the man who was to lazy to support himself.

Harry Case
CITRUS HEIGHTS, CA

It seems that Jesus was correct when he said, "The poor you have with you always."

LDS
Cedar City, UT

We need to understand the Church's welfare assistance process.

Church welfare recipients must first seek and obtain assistance from State and Federal programs. And Family assistance is also necessary.

Then after these sources are utilized and the needy require additional help, then the Church program provides limited assistance.

The underlying principal here is that we live in a country that is governed by Judeo-Christian principles of caring for the poor. The governmental welfare systems are an essential part of the web of care we all depend on one way or another.

Our taxes are used for defense, law enforcement, environmental protection, education, infrastructure, health research and science and many other purposes for our benefit.

Government welfare assistance is part of all those important programs the various levels of governments provide.

And the Church expects us to support and use those webs to protect, educate and provide for each other.

It really is a Divinely inspired Constituional government.

mark
Salt Lake City, UT

Too,

Okay, fine, and like I said: Religions and charities, get on the ball and start taking care of the needs of the poor and we can get government out of the picture. Don’t just talk, get it done. I’d be happy to let you guys do it. Just get it done. But, you’re not, are you?

And I don’t expect you to do it yourself (don’t be silly, you might want to read Matt. 6:2-4., though). But you claim religions and charities can do it, then they need to get it done, because people are starving. And I realize that there are charitable and religious people out there working hard, but they really don’t have the resources.

In the USA if we removed all government assistance to the poor, people would be starving in the streets here. If religions are truly willing to take on all the needs of the poor then do it. But they aren’t, are they?

Maybe you guys should look at these: Ezek. 22:29,31; Is. 10:1-3.; Jer. 5:28f.

Kathy.
Iowa, Iowa

If you want to increase poverty don't graduate from high school and have children outside of marriage.

Looks like those things are working.

I was surprised that Mitt hit the nail on the head at the NAACP. Your chance of being poor are 77% if you don't graduate from high school and have a child before you are married. Your children will not do as well in school and life if you are a single parent.

Happy Valley Heretic
Orem, UT

All this religious talk about what Jesus would or wouldn't do to justify bad behavior and greed only goes to show that religion and government are the same thing. They are there for those who can't tell the difference between right and wrong and therefore need a set of rules written down with punitive actions either now or later as a threat to behave like a human.

Christ wrote nothing and only gave ONE rule, but that's to simple to ask people to treat others as they would want to be treated. People like many above, need to justify treating others poorly as they quest for their version of the Golden rule, Thank You religion

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