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BYU, Utah football: Y.'s Riley Nelson, U.'s John White on Maxwell Award watch list

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  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 10, 2012 8:02 p.m.

    gored

    UteNation is hitting this original BYU story hard (headline was changed to later include the Ute players, the Utes had a separate story} in support of White and dissing Riley.

    No offense to the greatness of White's ability, personal achievement, and making this list but it didn't make a difference against Colorado. Go toot your horn on your story.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 10, 2012 7:25 p.m.

    GoRed

    Yes Y fans are defending Riley hard, and I'm not sure why we do. Nothing would please me more than to see the U coaches and players underestimate Riley even half as much as some of U fans do. It would make September 15th an epic day indeed.

    Folks, it's a watch list, not the final award. Of course White deserves to be on it. I have just about lost interest in this one, so I don't know, but has any Y fan seriously debated the point? How many people are on the list, 70 some odd? The fact that Nelson made the list too is a pleasant acknowledgement that many U fans appear to be too dense to be able to swallow.

    By the end of October, the list will be a lot shorter for all concerned, not just for Riley.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 10, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    sammy,

    "Started the first three games of the season before undergoing season-ending surgery to repair a shoulder injury"

    Additionally, attempted only 7 passes during the month of November of Junior year due to injury.

    Do you know who this describes? This is the "gutsy no holds barred QB" whom "fans don't have to worry about (getting) knocked around once in a while, unlike the injury prone QB from the hill," as you put it.

    That was a little bit too easy.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 10, 2012 3:44 p.m.

    BYU nation is hitting these boards hard in support of Nelson. But what White IV accomplished last year against tough competition week in and week out is truly amazing. When Wynn went down, all of the PAC 12 teams knew the ball was going through White, yet he managed to gain 1,500+ yards. He pretty much single-handedly beat Georgia Tech in the Sun Bowl. This season has all the makings of an even greater year for White and the U.

    Go Utes!!

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 10, 2012 2:28 p.m.

    Sammy Girl: The most negative Utah poster ever is stating how negative all the Utah posters have been. In doing so, his post was not negative AT ALL!

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2012 1:21 p.m.

    I would definitely put John White and Riley Nelson as the best running backs in the state!

    No but seriously, I can't wait for the first time Nelson runs from the pocket and gets his bell rung by Blechen or any number of Ute defenders that will have him on their radar.

    Can't wait!

  • Juice Box Eureka, UT
    July 10, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Let's go John White! Lookin forward to you tearing up the field again this season! John White for Heisman!

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 10, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    re:sammyg

    Let's talk again after the Y plays Utah, Boise , Notre Dame and Georgia Tech. If Nelson is really deserving of some watch list then he will show it in these games....or not.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    July 10, 2012 10:48 a.m.

    Tulsa was not TCU...but they were better than Georgia Tech!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 10, 2012 7:52 a.m.

    patriot

    Hyperbole caught up with you, bro. I saw him throw long two times in the second half alone, once with perfect results, and the other would have been if Apo hadn't given up on his route.

    I can agree that Tulsa was NOT his best game, yet he won. When the game was on the line, he did what he does best - find a way to drive the ball and score. Tulsa, granted, was not TCU. But they were no slouch either.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 10, 2012 7:46 a.m.

    Congrats to Riley!

    Kind of interesting that the headline has been updated to include the Ute players from the BYU angle of the story. From the Ute angle the story maintains its original title only highliting Ute players.

    Not a single negative comment on the Ute headline and here you see the usual garbage from 'the hill' spilling over and denigrating Riley. So typical.

    I'm glad BYU has a gutsy no holds barred QB like Riley. At least the fans don't have to worry when Riley gets knocked around once in a while unlike the injury prone QB from the hill.

    It's sad that a Ute season is contingent upon whether the QB survives his propensity to injury. You know its bad when its on everyone's mind if the kid is going to make it through, every play. It overshadows everything there is about the game.

    I bet Chow was glad to leave this scenario behind, for personal health reasons.

    What Riley might lack is more than compensated by his abilities in leadership and making things happen in clutch moments.

    He's a BYU QB, a rare and honored young man. Congrats for making the list!

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2012 10:48 p.m.

    Congrats Riley. You've earned it!

  • TrollPolice Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 6:49 p.m.

    BYU football: Riley Nelson named to Maxwell Award preseason watch list"

    Fans commenting (some more than once):

    BYU - 7
    Utah - 6

    "Utah football: John White, Star Lotulelei named to Maxwell and Bednarik watch lists"

    Fans commenting:

    BYU - 0
    Utah - 5

    Utah fans just can't help themselves - once a little brother, always a little brother.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 9, 2012 5:59 p.m.

    Watch list? Watch Riely do what - pass the football? Are you kidding? I've seen much better Junior College QB's throwing the ball compared to Nelson. Take a look at the bowl game and you saw an undersized kid attempting to throw the ball down field in tight windows ... with zero success. Nelson is the worst throwing QB to ever play at the Y ... even long before Mark Lyons when the Y was a running team. Nelson can't compete against good teams with athletes - Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, Utah, Boise... If Brad Anae were still at the Y along with Jake Heaps you would have a "real" QB to watch.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 9, 2012 5:16 p.m.

    Brave Sir Robin

    Epic fail, friend. Mildred is an anti-BYU fan who delights in mocking BYU with not too subtle sarcasm intended to parody supposed real BYU fans.

    Kinda like Earnest T Bass, but not as funny.

  • Brave Sir Robin San Diego, CA
    July 9, 2012 4:41 p.m.

    @Mildred in Fillmore

    I know you're a BYU fan and you guys like hype, but can't you at least wait until Nelson throws ONE pass this year before proclaiming that he should be in the Heisman discussion?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 9, 2012 4:21 p.m.

    Pretty stark contrast between pac12fan's comments on this article and the ones he posted on the article about jon white and star also being named to the watch list.

    If anyone ever wanted to read a textbook case of homerism and bias just go read his comments there and compare them to the ones he posted here.

    He can't just wish the kid good luck, he is a BYU player afterall.

    LOL!

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 9, 2012 4:01 p.m.

    It's not just the statistics saying Riley can be great though. This is actual people who are earn their living evaluating these athletes. They don't just look at statistics. they put Riley on the list because they realize he can be great. same with White

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 3:58 p.m.

    Black Shirts

    South Jordan, UT

    Thought this was an article on Riley Nelson.

    The 54-10 is really eating away at you isn't it?

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 9, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    PAC12Fan

    Yep, you caught them out on that one! Fools thought they could slip a ringer through, but you were too quick for that!

    eastcoastcoug

    I'll cut you some slack on the "seeing is believing" routine, but when he DOES have a breakout season, please don't be one of the "I knew it all along" crowd.

  • Black Shirts South Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    PAC12Fan

    So you're saying that John White yards against these very weak and overrated teams shouldn't count. I thought that is what you were saying. You probably think Utah will actually win the PAC12 someday, NEVER. They are in the weak half of the PAC12 and still will never win it.

    Northern Colrado
    Utah St
    Arizona St
    Oregon ST
    Wash St
    Colorado
    Arizona
    UCLA

    The PAC12 will probably only have two teams in the top 20 this year. WEAK.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2012 3:24 p.m.

    @byufan1993

    Statistics are very fickle. If one is playing against poor competition, do the stats speak for themselves? If John White gained all his yards against,....say North Dakota State, is that impressive and do the stats prove anything?

    What is more impressive .... Chang of Hawaii averaging over 470 yards a game passing against WAC competition or Joe Montana averaging 285 yards per game against the toughest schools in America?

    I say the latter. I've seen how tough our new conference can be on our team.

    Riley has only played in one tough game and he had multiple interceptions against TCU. Let's see how impressive he is against the first half of BYU's schedule before saying he is really good.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 9, 2012 1:43 p.m.

    @HCB63

    Well im so glad you're enjoying yourself here. I just have to point out that you're laughing against statistics. This isnt just Deseret News that is saying Riley has potential to be great. This is a nationally recognized list! That a ute also made! If you're going to laugh at this then we must too laugh at the fact that White made the list as well. How about instead we just congratulate both athletes on a job well done and good luck to them in the future! Why laugh at one another? Let's be happy for one another. :)

  • HCB63 Orem, UT
    July 9, 2012 1:03 p.m.

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha ha Ha Ha Ha....!

    That is the funniest news I've heard in a long while! Keep the comedy going...

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    July 9, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    Congrats to Riley! And in the style of good sportmanship congrats to the two Ute players also put on preseason watch lists! Hope Riley and them both do well! But only Riley is allowed to do well when we play each other ;) Good luck! Go Cougars :)

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 11:50 a.m.

    I think Riley should also be in the Heisman conversation.

    Go Cougs.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 9, 2012 11:29 a.m.

    I'm happy others are recognizing Nelson's talent. He will have a breakout year in 2012!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 9, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    I'll be impressed when we beat a good team - e.g. Boise St, Utah, Notre Dame - then we'll really be talking about something...

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    Congratulations to Riley Nelson on being the latest BYU Quarterback to be named to the Maxwell Award watch list!

    Looking forward to a fun season.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 9, 2012 10:23 a.m.

    Oooooh, that'll ruin Wayne's day. And not a single mention of being on the punt return team.

    Rise and shout, Riley! Show 'em what you're made of