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  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 10, 2012 11:34 a.m.

    MLH:

    If Utah is undefeated, then they would've had to have beaten USC. Furthermore, an undefeated Utah team means Stanford couldn't have won the Pac-12.

    Nebraska and Penn State can't both go undefeated. They're in the same conference, so even if they don't meet during the regular season, they'd meet up in the CCG. If OSU and Mich. both have one loss, then the tiebreaker goes to the Head-to-Head year-end game.

    If UNC is undefeated, then they would've had to have beaten UVa and FSU.

    So who goes? Utah, the Neb/PSU CCG winner, 'Bama, and either BSU or the winner of the Mich/OSU game.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 10, 2012 11:18 a.m.

    If USC has 2 losses, and Utah goes undefeated, and byu has 1 loss, and Virginia has 1, and Florida State has 2 losses, with Nebraska undefeated and Penn State also is undefeated, with Southern Mississippi 1 loss, and North Carolina undefeated, and Stanford wins the conference championship along with Alabama thiers, Ohio State and Michigan have 1 loss, Notre Dame has 3, and O we can't forget about Boise, who goes?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 9, 2012 11:18 p.m.

    SportsFan
    Orem, UT
    WACpaddled

    "Its not all about football. Both AZ & ASU have won national titles in other sports."

    Who are you kidding?

    Conference realignment has been TOTALLY about football.

    Except for women's gymnastics, which haven't been affected in the least by conference realignment, Utah's other sports aren't even a blip on the radar.

    _____________________

    I'm not kidding anyone because I was responding to the comment by Snac Pac about AZ & ASU.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 9, 2012 10:25 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Its not all about football. Both AZ & ASU have won national titles in other sports."

    Who are you kidding?

    Conference realignment has been TOTALLY about football.

    Except for women's gymnastics, which haven't been affected in the least by conference realignment, Utah's other sports aren't even a blip on the radar.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 9, 2012 9:48 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    How long have Arizona and Arizona State been enjoying all of that money, money, money, and still haven't been able to break through to the upper echelon of PAC 12 football?

    The Wildcats and Sun Devils joined the PAC 10 in the late 70's - ASU was a big time program before they joined the PAC 10, but they've only managed to play in two Rose Bowls in 30+ years; Arizona has never played in a Rose Bowl. It could be decades before Utah becomes anything more than a perennial middle of the PAC team.

    btw, not a dime of BYU's athletic budget comes from the LDS Church. All of those great BYU facilities that Utah fans have been envious of for decades were built entirely with donations received from BYU boosters. Revenue from ticket sales/television supports the teams.

    ________________________

    Awww that last paragraph just tugs your heart strings don't it?
    Its not all about football. Both AZ & ASU have won national titles in other sports.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 9, 2012 4:48 p.m.

    Bottom line is BYU needs to get into a formerly known as BCS conference to compete. To date Holmoe hasn't shown the ability to fill out a full schedule worthy of a National Champion. Until BYU gets rid of the WAC teams (actually there is no more WAC after this season) in November, BYU will always be left on the outside.

    I really wish BYU had of joined Utah in the Pac-12. Things would have been so much better on so many different fronts. But alas, the Pac-12 passed on the Cougs. The Big-12 passed. The Big East - well, who wants that anyway? So now what? Independent is a long long long road that has only been traveled well by Notre Dame - for obvious reasons. To try to link BYU and ND is ridiculous. I'm stuck somewhere between BYU making another run at the Big-12 and BYU dropping to Div IAA or going the way of Ricks College. None seems likely, but all options seem as likely as the other. A real pickle.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 9, 2012 3:21 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "I'll take Notre Dame, Boise State, Air Force and a Conf USA team any November."

    But will THEY take YOU in November. THAT's issue here. Because between now and the end of the 2015 season, you have only 7 Nov/Dec dates scheduled, out of a possible of 19 potential game days. Of those 7 scheduled games, 3 are WAC teams, 2 are Hawai'i, one So. Mississippi, and one Notre Dame.

    But no BSU or AFA.

    "It's heads and shoulders above what U play in November."

    Well, THIS year, Utah has (1) WSU, (2) UWa, (3) Ariz, and (4) Colo. The Indy-WACers, on the other hand, have (1) bye, (2) Idaho, (3) SJSU, and (4) NMSU. Heads and shoulders above what the U plays? Haha! You can't back that up. Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 9, 2012 2:56 p.m.

    Riddles in the Dark "Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah team, even if the Utes are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over an undefeated Florida State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre Dame if the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?"

    If USC finishes with one loss, than the answer is - Absolutely. But, we are now playing into double if's. So, it's kind of a ridicules riddle. Let's just play for the Rose Bowl. The NC is not happening for a while anyways.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 9, 2012 2:49 p.m.

    OK this is way of subject now, but stop knocking El Paso if you have not been. The Sun Bowl is built into the mountain - cool! The town had the red carpet out & white gloves on. The parade and food was like Mazatlan without the beach. And since we flew into Albuquerque, many of us went skiing in Santa Fe. They were as great as the old Liberty Bowl games in Memphis, except we were on CBS.

    San Francisco didn't know there was a game. (Utah lucked out that the ACC had 4 top 25 teams in 2006 to play ranked Georgia Tech.)

    Re: Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah team, even if the Utes are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over an undefeated Florida State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre Dame if the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?

    That is exactly my point. BYU can't even go to the top 4 without a conference. The PAC 12 does have an auto in unless no PAC-12 is ranked and the ACC champion or ND finishes in the top 4.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 9, 2012 2:19 p.m.

    "With your logic the Hawaii Bowl trumps the Rose Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, and the Sugar Bowl."

    Not necessarily, since all are great winter vacation venues.

    However, for all of those Utah students who are still living at home on their parents' dime, getting to Pasadena, or Phoenix, or San Diego, or San Francisco is alot more "doable" than Honolulu or New Orleans.

    I have many Utah friends who spent a couple of years paying off their trip to the Sugar Bowl and none of my Utah friends even considered spending New Years Eve in El Paso.

    Bottom line:

    The four-team playoff has leveled the playing field considerably - no more "qualifying" simply because you happened to be champions of a particular conference.

    Do you really think a PAC 12 champion Utah team, even if the Utes are undefeated, is going to get an automatic invite over an undefeated Florida State or Miami or Va Tech from the ACC or a one-loss Notre Dame if the SEC, Big 12 and Big Ten all have teams ranked in the Top 4?

    Looking forward to the responses; warning, it's a trap question.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 9, 2012 2:07 p.m.

    Patriot

    "I agree with you ... except aren't you sort of perplexed as to why the Y hasn't pushed harder for an invite to the BIG 12?"

    I am so perplexed. You hit the nail on the head. That is why I am so mad. The day BYU gets into the Big 12 is the day I am taking all my snack money to the Cougar store to buy me some stuff.

    Until then, I am outside RES paying outlandish prices for scalped tickets.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 9, 2012 1:51 p.m.

    UFan said, "The vast majority of fans would choose San Francisco over El Paso in a heartbeat.

    San Francisco > El Paso (it's not even close)"

    With your logic the Hawaii Bowl trumps the Rose Bowl, the Fiesta Bowl, and the Sugar Bowl.

    CBS > ESPN

    On one hand, I do hope to go to BYU's Poinsettia Bowl, but face it, it's not the Sun Bowl.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 9, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    MHL

    "It's called MONEY $$$$ More of it"

    There's an old, but wise saying:

    Money won't buy you happiness.

    What are you going to do when you have all of the shiny new facilities you can possibly dream of, and you're still left playing 2nd fiddle to the big boys of the conference?

    How long have Arizona and Arizona State been enjoying all of that money, money, money, and still haven't been able to break through to the upper echelon of PAC 12 football?

    The Wildcats and Sun Devils joined the PAC 10 in the late 70's - ASU was a big time program before they joined the PAC 10, but they've only managed to play in two Rose Bowls in 30+ years; Arizona has never played in a Rose Bowl. It could be decades before Utah becomes anything more than a perennial middle of the PAC team.

    btw, not a dime of BYU's athletic budget comes from the LDS Church. All of those great BYU facilities that Utah fans have been envious of for decades were built entirely with donations received from BYU boosters. Revenue from ticket sales/television supports the teams.

  • Solomon the Wise Alpine, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    MLH

    "4 team play-off contract with tv and bowl games goes to 2023, hows the fishn?"

    You obviously haven't heard about the "look-in" scheduled for every couple of years to re-evaluate to post-season landscape. Sports contracts are made to be re-negotiated. What makes you think that this contract is so fixed and immovable that it is carved in stone for the next decade?

    How many times do you think the PAC 12 will stand for being left out of the playoff because two SEC teams or an ACC or a Big East or a MWC or an Independent finished in the Top 4, before the PAC 12 starts pushing to have the playoff expanded to 8 teams?

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    Mussing man

    *yawn*

    Such a big jump from what the MWC could do for U.

    It's called MONEY $$$$ More of it

    Emerald Bowl $650,000
    Sun Bowl, $1,200,000

    Everything we do from now on is going to be bigger and better, you guys have the LDS church backing you up we now have a powerfull conference to help us along. All of you need to realize that it never was even ground with byu, (private, church owned) you all expected all of us to sit on our hands and just let byu continue to dominate, it's not the case anymore. Utah fans are pleased and excited to be in such a great conference there is nothing you guys can say to down play our conference affiliation. PAC-12 vs LDS church here in Utah, athletically I'm a Utah and PAC-12 fan, byu fans you get Idaho in November it's what you all asked for. Go-Utes, Go-PAC-12

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    upinthenight

    "BYU fans don't get a penny of the ESPN contract. Yet they love to talk about how great it is."

    Since BYU has a national fan base, BYU fans are far more interested in being able to watch and attend BYU bowl games. Unlike Utah fans, who seem to be obsessed with money, bowl revenue is a very distant 3rd to viewing access and location.

    Anybody who says they'd rather visit El Paso, than San Francisco, is only lying to themselves.

    Guaranteed, more Utah fans traveled from Utah to the Emerald Bowl, than traveled from Utah to the Sun Bowl.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:11 p.m.

    re:Canyontreker

    I agree with you ... except aren't you sort of perplexed as to why the Y hasn't pushed harder for an invite to the BIG 12? At the time TCU got their invite the BIG 12 was considering the Y but - as I understand it - the Y wasn't really all that interested in joining the BIG 12 because they didn't want to give up the TV contract with ESPN. I get the feeling Bronco would love to get into the BIG 12 but feels his hands are tied due to the politics above him. Bronco is too good of a coach to not be part of the BCS equation and that is why - as I said before - I think he is gone after next season unless the Y does an about face and pushes hard for an invite to the BIG 12. I still think the BIG 12 would take the Y if the conditions were right.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:10 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    "Sometimes there is a big prize for 2nd place."

    You're ignoring the fact that 2nd place may be a far more formidale achievement than you're assuming.

    Beating USC will only be the first step in winning the division. UCLA, ASU, Arizona, and Colorado aren't always going to be the weaklings they were last season, so even when Utah does manage to upset USC, there's no guarantee that one or two of those other teams won't be good enough to win the division. And, Utah has to survive all of that just to have the chance of losing to Oregon or Stanford or Washington or California in the conference championship.

    As Utah fans have reminded us ad nauseum for the past two years, Utah is in a "big boy" conference now. You can't assume that all you have to do to win the conference is beat TCU and BYU.

    A good place to start might be beating all of the 10-loss conference teams on your schedule.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    cougar fan texas

    I disagree. The Utes play Washington State, Arizona and Colorado in November - not exactly a bunch of juggernauts.

    Our juggernauts are better than your juggernauts, Idaho, NMSU, and San Jose

    Elk Hair Caddis

    Its all about the MONEY which is why the playoff will expand to 16 teams in 5 years or less.

    4 team play-off contract with tv and bowl games goes to 2023, hows the fishn?

    Bleed cougar blue

    And what do all the bowl games say with a 16 team play-off?

    Bluto

    My true blue cougar, I'm not a wantabee Ute Fan my superiority of you y fans is an understatement. And my dear bluto byu has put themselves in a position to have a sos of 70 or lower. You had your moment in college football, but indy is not a good position to be in now. College football is passing you buy, you will see that in the next 2-3 years, you just can't compete against better teams.

  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 9, 2012 11:47 a.m.

    Dew Cougars

    bYu will never go undefeated never, it is not a good enough program. Utah will get there much sooner than the y. You do not have the players to get any further than #25, that should always be your goal, it is one that your cougs could actually make. bYu is no even close to have the power ND has, ND could care less about the y.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 9, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "The committee will have a hard time leaving an undefeated team out of the playoffs. Neither BYU nor Utah has a shot at being selected to the playoffs if they have one loss."

    Even Bronco his teams would likely have to be undefeated TWICE before considered for a playoff seed. On the other hand, a one-loss Utah team DOES have a shot at selection. A one-loss Utah team would have had to have beaten at LEAST 2 of the following 3 teams: USC, Oregon, and Stanford. Since the playoff season starts in 2014, the Utes would have had all 3 of those teams on our schedule. In seasons where the Utes win the CCG, and hold only a single blemish on our W/L record, the most likely scenerio would be that we would get in.

    You Y fans are at some point going to have to come to grips with the fact that we are not on equal footing. WE can get in with one loss. YOU'LL have trouble even when undefeated. And that's because WE'RE in a "Big 4" conference; YOU play weak SOS.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 9, 2012 11:14 a.m.

    Ufan said:

    "Cowboy Dude

    Since Utah fans don't get a penny of the bowl payola, what difference does it make, from a fan perspective, how much money goes into Utah's coffers?

    The vast majority of fans would choose San Francisco over El Paso in a heartbeat.

    San Francisco > El Paso (it's not even close)"

    BYU fans don't get a penny of the ESPN contract. Yet they love to talk about how great it is. Have asked before, I thought the route BYU is taking was not about the money? And then the same fans go after Utah because they get more money in the PAC. Can't have it both ways BYU fans.

    And yes I would take El Paso over Frisco. More money and a great TV slot with ratings already proved that.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 10:29 a.m.

    Cowboy Dude

    Since Utah fans don't get a penny of the bowl payola, what difference does it make, from a fan perspective, how much money goes into Utah's coffers?

    The vast majority of fans would choose San Francisco over El Paso in a heartbeat.

    San Francisco > El Paso (it's not even close)

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2012 9:32 a.m.

    LOL! Seriously, CougFaninTX, Boise State and Air Force are NOT available for November. The Boise State series is already schedule in October. You don't really expect Boise State to walk into their new conference and say "Hey, would it be cool with you guys if we play BYU in November instead of a conference game?"

    So again, its Notre Dame (which is cool) and maybe some Conference USA teams.

    I'm not sure what point you're trying to make about Utah. I view Utah as being like OKState in the Big 12. Most years it is going to be OU or Texas representing that league. This was OSU's year and their fans loved it.

    Most years in the PAC its going to be USC or OU, but there will be years when Utah makes a challenge. Sometimes there is a big prize for 2nd place. They go to the Rose Bowl if the #1 team goes to the playoffs. Even last place has a nice consolation - a share of the money. Ute fans will love 2013, and it sounds like you'll love BYU's Novembers so all is cool, right?

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 9, 2012 8:56 a.m.

    MUSSing with U

    The Emerald Bowl is an $837,000 payout on ESPN in late DEC usually against Navy when they qualify.

    The Sun Bowl is a $2M payout on CBS on New Year's Eve.

    El Paso > San Francisco, unless your looking for wine and sour dough bread.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    July 9, 2012 6:48 a.m.

    canyontrucker

    In 2006, the MWC Utes went to the Emerald Bowl in San Francisco to beat then #24 ranked Georgia Tech(7-5).

    In 2011, the PAC 12 Utes went to the Sun Bowl in El Paso to beat unranked Georgia Tech(8-5).

    San Francisco > El Paso

    *yawn*

    Such a big jump from what the MWC could do for U.

    -----------

    What most Utah fans have totally ignored is the downside of your move to the PAC 12. There are going to be many seasons when the Utes don't even qualify for a bowl; perhaps sooner than U think.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 8, 2012 11:37 p.m.

    SoonerUte - I see you conveniently left Notre Dame off my November schedule for the Cougs. I'll take Notre Dame, Boise State, Air Force and a Conf USA team any November. It's heads and shoulders above what U play in November.

    And I have no problem agreeing with your proposition that the PAC12 will be ranked ahead of Conf USA. I just don't think the teams U play in November are very good. In fact, they are likely the four weakest teams in the PAC. WSU is the only question mark with a new coach.

    I'll be anxious to hear how U are feeling after 2013, when you play USC, Oregon and Stanford. Although I wouldn't be surprised if Washington is battling for the North crown by 2013. In the South, nobody is even close to USC. USC will win the South in 9 out of 10 years, and they will win the PAC ccnference 7 out of the next 10 years. Utah will be battling for the 4 - 8 spot for the next decade.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 8, 2012 8:37 p.m.

    patriot "BYU is finding out now that being an independent wasn't the great future it anticipated."

    C'mon, nobody really believed it. It was something the Y had to do as reaction to Utah's departure. If the Y stayed and won the MWC they would get the privilege to play the #5 PAC team in Vegas, perhaps Utah if they have an off year. BYU had no choice but to quit and spin their enthusiasm. Hopefully something will come up for the Cougars soon.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    July 8, 2012 8:32 p.m.

    Bluto "The Arizona Schools never tooted their own horns like this. In fact, in 34 years since the Arizona schools left the Conference, ASU has been to a grand total of 2 Rose bowls while Arizona has never been at all."

    In the first year of the Utes PAC-12 season they went to the Sun Bowl to beat Georgia Tech. Already a big jump from what the MWC could do for them. Should I list all the bigger bowls the Arizona schools have been too since joining the PAC?

    Sure, the Rose Bowl is harder to get to than the Fiesta Bowl. But, it is in par with the Sugar Bowl and within reach at the beginning of each year. And when they miss, the result is still bigger than what AZ schools would get in the WAC.

  • Cowboy Dude SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 8, 2012 8:17 p.m.

    "Nothing has really changed."

    Did anyone see what the left hand did while making a playoff with the right hand?
    The Big East and ACC are kicked out of the Rose Bowl, Orange Bowl, Fiesta Bowl, and Sugar Bowl. The old BCS bowls just got MORE exclusive.

    It will take Utah a third undefeated year to bust the "ghost" BCS into the NC.

    BYU; get in a conference quick and go undefeated for a few years before the selection committee will even consider it.

  • BleedCougarBlue Enid, OK
    July 8, 2012 8:09 p.m.

    A 4-team playoff is better than nothing but what we REALLY need is a 16-team playoff. Doesn't matter if you win a conference championship or not. If you're in the top 16, you're in. If not, you're out.

    10 regular season games, take the top 16 teams, 4 playoff games makes a total of a 14 game season for the top 2/last 2 teams. Rotate the required 15 playoff games (16 teams down to 8 (8 games), 8 down to 4 (4 games), 4 down to 2 (2 games), 2 down to 1 (1 game)) so various cities can share the money of the playoff games.

    Advantages:

    1 - Fewer injuries and more time to study (they are "STUDENT athlets, after all, aren't they?) for the bulk of the teams each season.

    2 - More opportunities to get in the playoffs.

    3 - This equals MORE drama and excitement (MORE games).

    4 - An undisputed National Champion, and BTW, a champion that has even MORE bragging rights because they beat more teams to get that crown.

    16 teams: DO IT!

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 8, 2012 5:15 p.m.

    Utah will always be in the NC game. They're in the Pac-12 remember?

  • NORCALUTE MoTown, CA
    July 8, 2012 3:53 p.m.

    54-10

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 8, 2012 3:33 p.m.

    BYU is finding out now that being an independent wasn't the great future it anticipated. BYU is locked out - pure and simple. They can't recruit and they have no big bowl game as a reward for a great season. Bronco has one more year on his contract and unless the Y were to get invited into the BIG 12 I would say Bronco is gone after next year. BYU is in fast decline as far as NCAA athletics goes and there is no silver lining in sight. If I am a blue chip high school athlete I am NOT picking BYU as a college unless I have zero prospects for post-college play in the pros and I just want a nice clean college environment to complete my scholarship.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    Its all about the MONEY which is why the playoff will expand to 16 teams in 5 years or less.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2012 11:08 a.m.

    CougFaninTX believes "Hawaii, Boise State, Air Force, Navy, Southern Miss, SMU, UTEP and it becomes a decent November schedule."

    I've been wondering what Cougar fans mean by "quality" when they say the team will get better quality opponents in November. You mean "Conference USA quality", a step up from the going-away WAC.

    I can't say BYU won't get the teams on your list, but Big East members Boise State and SMU won't have room for BYU on their November schedule. Hawaii scheduled games with BYU while a member of the WAC. Can they keep those games in November as a MWC member? Air Force has November MWC obligations. I am not sure that BYU was so beloved that the MWC wants to help BYU in November.

    That leaves BYU with possible C-USA matchups in November. You think some PAC12 teams are cupcakes, but don't be surprised if the selection committee ranks the PAC12 above C-USA.

  • Mister J SLC, UT
    July 8, 2012 9:18 a.m.

    Alpine Coug (9:04 p.m. July 7, 2012)....

    There was an article in the DN recently stating that ND and byu were and I quote "brothers in independence"

    As Such, byu could ride the coat tails of a true legacy program.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2012 9:16 a.m.

    This is all our Ute friends need to know......

    Your days of ever seeing an undefeated season again are long gone.
    Remember, you achieved those in the MWC, against teams you now despise and slander.

    I have never seen such an Arrogance and "False Sense of Superiority" as has been displayed by Wannabee Ute fans.

    Hey Utes..
    You're NOT...SC or Oregon, more like Northwestern or Vanderbilt, without their Academic credentials.

    Living under BYU's shadow has jilted U. Utah is joining a League which calls itself the "Conference of Champions". This is as a result of "Olympic" Sports Championships.

    Utah could not compete in Olympic sports in the old WAC or MWC, certainly not on the level that BYU did. Is it even realsitic that Utah will ever win a Conference Championship in "Any Sport"? Gymnastic, maybe?

    The Arizona Schools never tooted their own horns like this. In fact, in 34 years since the Arizona schools left the Conference, ASU has been to a grand total of 2 Rose bowls while Arizona has never been at all.

    A strong SOS gives everybody an equal shot and now Utah's AQ-Conference Coat-Tails have been eliminated! Priceless.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    July 8, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    BYU isn't worthy to ride Notre Dames coattails?

    While the last 20 years have not been exactly glory years for Notre Dame, they are still a legitimate football power. 13 national championships, 7 heisman winners, Football Jesus, Rockne, Leahy, Parsegian, Holtz, painting the helmets, annual rivalries with USC and Navy, one of the most beautiful campuses in the country, more than 100 winning seasons and no losing seasons since 1936. All as an independent.

    What does BYU bring to the table in their second year of independence? A couple of decades of WAC domination. 1 national championship and cosmo?

    There is no comparison. 50 years of success, half dozen national championships and meaningful rivalries against quality opponents would put BYU in the discussion. But for now, be realistic. BYU is a third tier team with a lot to prove.

  • Silent Lurker Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 8, 2012 8:04 a.m.

    This is an other article about the same old debate--has bYu been left behind,just with another twist. If I were a fan of bYu I too would be grasping for anything positive, truth is it isn't anything positive and as such most of their fans have cannot come to grips with this reality. A schedule that includes the likes of Idaho, Idaho State, San Jose State, New Mexico State, Utah State and the like will not get you in the final four even if you are undefeated. Any team can get away with playing one or maybe even two such teams but not half their schedule. Anyone who believes the bottom dwellers of what is now BCS qualifiers is the same is in the same reality. This is the reason that Independence does not work for anyone except ND and even they may have a harder time in the future. I commend the Rockmonster for trying to be honest with the bYu faithful but they have to be willing to listen. Read their cougarboard--sadly they are not.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    July 8, 2012 7:57 a.m.

    Are there any BYU fans out there that really believe that ND is our tried and true partner in this? I sure hope that the BYU brass aren't banking their participation in the post season based upon what ND negotiates. While I do believe BYU's independent future is brighter with an independent ND, I've never believed that BYU and ND are co-equals or tied to each other in some way other than having a 6 game series over the next 8 years. I think that anything other than this is an exaggeration by media trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill.

    The solution to BYU's post season is simple - just win. Win the big games and score big in the easy ones. Until BYU can figure out how to start the season 4-0, we don't need to worry about how a playoff system will work.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 8, 2012 7:39 a.m.

    Same old fluff we've been reading for 30 years...let's just let the team work this out on the field and put together an undefeated season before we worry about all this. Utah, Boise, TCU have all made it to BCS bowls and won twice. What has BYU done? You don't get respect this way. Let's knock off the hypotheticals and win some games!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 8, 2012 6:55 a.m.

    @SoonerUte - "BYU will be left eating its own cupcakes in November."

    I disagree. The Utes play Washington State, Arizona and Colorado in November - not exactly a bunch of juggernauts.

    Notre Dame will move to a November game for BYU, like it is in 2013. Hawaii will move to an every November game on the years when it is played in Hawaii. (Hawaii will improve to their old self under Chow, and will battle Air Force for MWC top dog most years.) I wouldn't be surprised if Boise State becomes the last game of the season for the Cougs. Fill in the rest of November with an Air Force, Navy, Southern Miss, SMU or even a UTEP and it becomes a decent November schedule - certainly on par or better than the Utes November schedule.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    July 8, 2012 5:50 a.m.

    This all seems so premature, kind of like worrying about how you are going to afford the tuition at Yale when you have a 2.4 GPA. Only sports writers (on a slow day) are thinking of this stuff. BYU has to raise their "GPA" significantly before they need to worry about getting into the final four football playoff. If I am being too subtle here let me spell it out another way, THEY NEED TO WIN. BYU hasn't even been to a BCS bowl game and here we are stressing over how they are going to crack the final four.

    As for looking out of their own interests, yes Utah, TCU, and Boise State did not worry the other teams in the Mountain West when they moved on -- BUT NEITHER DID BYU!

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    July 8, 2012 2:50 a.m.

    I never assumed that Notre Dame would do more that casually represent BYU's interest where they are not in conflict with ND.

    One thing I have not read is how revenue will be divided. If someone knows this please indicate what will happen.

  • Yerffoegn Maricopa, Az
    July 8, 2012 12:42 a.m.

    Utah Hawaii. As it is, the Big East invited BYU. What does say about the
    Rest of your points? Much.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    July 8, 2012 12:15 a.m.

    Rock, as usual, is simply stirring the pot; he's no more knowledgeable than any other college football fan and everything he writes is pure speculation based on nothing but his own biases.

    NOBODY knows the exact criteria that the selection committee will use in deciding the four teams each year; in fact, it's very likely that the exact criteria will change from year to year to fit the unique circumstances of each season.

    Guaranteed, no matter what criteria is used, there will always be controversy. There will always be two or three teams who will feel that they were more deserving than some of the four teams selected.

  • stonewall Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 8, 2012 12:02 a.m.

    This is one of the least substantive articles I've ever read. I could have written in one or two sentences what this article conveyed. "While BYU and Notre Dame maintain a professionally friendly relationship, as evidenced by their 6-game series, and while both similarly are college football independents, it can not necessarily be said that Notre Dame is negotiating on BYU's behalf. Notre Dame will ultimately just look out for Notre Dame." There. You did not get anything out of this article that I didn't say right there.

    Furthermore, this is just plain stupid. I get that it's the slow season in Utah sports and sometimes these columnists have to really reach for topics, but seriously Brad Rock? Yes, Notre Dame will look out for Notre Dame, and they are not negotiating on anyone else's behalf. But #1: what's good for Notre Dame is typically good for BYU. So in a sense, they are indirectly representing BYU's interests. And #2: The playoff selection system hasn't been decided, and ultimately it's going to take being one of the four most regarded teams in the nation to get in, irrespective of affiliations

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 7, 2012 11:53 p.m.

    CougFaninTx projects "This should give BYU the opportunity to strengthen their schedule as top teams look to swap out their real cupcakes for a team like BYU."
    True -- in September. But then those teams are in conference play. BYU will replace some cupcakes for the star teams, but BYU will be left eating its own cupcakes in November.

    BYU shouldn't follow Notre Dame's trail. It goes nowhere. ND got to a couple of BCS bowls, but they never finished above 6th in the BCS rankings. They will not be involved in the new playoffs.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 7, 2012 11:24 p.m.

    DEW Cougars
    Sandy, UT
    OK - this what will happen

    2014 - BYU 12-0 and many other major conferance (no more bcs) schools who are 10-2.
    who gets in 4 10-2 teams gets in. No problem

    2015 - BYU 12-0 again. Same results to other big schools 10-2 gets in and BYU still looking in.

    2016 - Again 12-0 and Notre Dame 11-1 (ND lost to BYU). ND gets in and BYU still looking in.

    I can see utah going to be still looking in.

    Big boys Committees and NCAA people are such a joke. Nothing going to change!

    _____________________

    Why naturally they would take Notre Dame over BYU in your example.
    A WAC legacy team that plays a WAC schedule does not deserve a title shot.

    In addition, any team with a 6-9 lifetime record against San Jose St., does not deserve a title shot either.
    BYU is out of the running!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 7, 2012 11:22 p.m.

    Notre Dame represents it's own interests; however, as an independent, what ND does for itself benefits other independents.

    Most years there are only 1 - 3 undefeated teams. The committee will have a hard time leaving an undefeated team out of the playoffs. Neither BYU nor Utah has a shot at being selected to the playoffs if they have one loss. However, teams like Alabama, LSU, Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas have a shot at being a Top 4 team even with one loss, depending on who / how the loss happened.

    This should give BYU the opportunity to strengthen their schedule as top teams look to swap out their real cupcakes for a team like BYU that is more of a Top 20 - 40 team most years - a team they think they can beat but not always (just ask Oklahoma).

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    July 7, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    I don't think BYU holds as many cards as some of their more ardent fans think. This is a team that is begging Utah to play them, and they still think they are on a par with Notre Dame. It gets a little embarrassing to see such overreaching. Basically all BYU got from independence was Boise States old TV times.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    July 7, 2012 11:02 p.m.

    Would this article ever be written in South Bend? ND doesn't even give a sniff about anyone let alone BYU.

    Six game schedule is simply a smart move on ND's behalf and since three of the six are played in Provo.... Hold on. What? It's only 2 in Provo? That sounds like MWC, WAC stuff.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 7, 2012 10:59 p.m.

    It really is a mute point to consider BYU in any possible playoff format. Their recruiting is ranked in the bottom half, never to improve that much. And, I don't see their schedule ever that good. They will get a few 2 for 1 deals with ND, GaTech and the like, but at least half of their schedule will continue to be un-watchable garbage. BYu football will be gone within the next 6-10 years.

  • Balan South Jordan, Utah
    July 7, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    BYU fans aren't expecting to ride the coattails of ND, and I haven't hard one say that we are. The sportswriters, on the other hand, can't seem to leave the topic alone.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 7, 2012 10:35 p.m.

    Another interesting contribution by the Rockmonster. Thanks Brad.

    Notre Dame is the most popular school in America, BYu the least. Notre Dame could be in ANY conference they wanted to join. I bet that the MWC wouldn't accept BYu back even if they begged.

    BYu is indy because that is their only option..........,maybe the Big Sky would accept them, maybe?

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    July 7, 2012 10:27 p.m.

    OK - this what will happen

    2014 - BYU 12-0 and many other major conferance (no more bcs) schools who are 10-2.
    who gets in 4 10-2 teams gets in. No problem

    2015 - BYU 12-0 again. Same results to other big schools 10-2 gets in and BYU still looking in.

    2016 - Again 12-0 and Notre Dame 11-1 (ND lost to BYU). ND gets in and BYU still looking in.

    I can see utah going to be still looking in.

    Big boys Committees and NCAA people are such a joke. Nothing going to change!

  • MiP Iowa City, IA
    July 7, 2012 10:15 p.m.

    BYU = Lone Ranger
    ND = Tonto

    Now that's funny.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:59 p.m.

    BYU fans have been riding Colorado's coattails for almost a year! Sad.

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:53 p.m.

    The moment I heard that there would be a 4 team playoff, I felt nothing had changed. There will still be a group of men in a dark, smoke filled room deciding who belongs in this new playoff. And I would bet that the process will favor the SEC, ACC, PAC 12, Big 10, and other conferences that have enjoyed favorite status in the BCS.

  • Colorado's BFF Springville, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:25 p.m.

    Howie

    But... but... but... we do know that Utah is Colorado's BFF.

    LOL

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    No howie, no one has assured anyone that those two teams ar BFF's. Good friends yes but not BFF's(by they way, my 9 year old daughter uses that term quite a bit. I guess maybe your on the same maturity level). BYU doesn't ride coattails, they are independent. If you want a true coattail rider, look at any team in the bottom half of a conference(especially BCS) year in and year out. Maybe wacpad is worried his team will be there, again...still...after another season in their new conference.

    Notre Dame, if they lose one game, still has a very good chance of being in the top 4 by virtue of their SOS. BYU would have to start in the top 20 and go undefeated to have any shot at all. Not gonna happen this year but, if and when they do, it will be because they earned it independently

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:17 p.m.

    @Rock

    Your premise is baffling.
    A bit of a Strawman.

    The BCS AQ Conference System, is over.

    Nobody will have an Exception.
    It's Top 4 or Bust for everyone.

    The Notre Dame Exception referred to a Top 8 finish, which guaranteed them a spot in one of 5 BCS Bowl games. That system is dead in two years.

    Every team will be judged on SOS and Won-Loss Record now.
    ND is always top ten in SOS.
    BYU would have to improve their schedule considerably.

    Utah better get in line behind real programs...SC, Oregon, Washington, ASU, Stanford, UCLA and Cal.

    What will be fun to watch is all those teams which rode Conference Coat-Tails being left out.
    Most years the Pac will be left on the sidelines....

    The AQ's are dead, now anybody has a chance, some with much better odds, which is the way it should be.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 7, 2012 9:09 p.m.

    This article's main idea seems dated, the committee to pick the final four is supposed to only use conference championships as tie-breakers in the event of a tie for the other criteria which has not been totally fleshed out yet but will not include conference championships. This means, that BYU is actually in a good position as it can increase it's strength of schedule more easily than someone who has 75% or more of their games determined by their conference. It also means that Notre Dame needs no special consideration because of independence.

    For a good article related to this look up "Is BYU's schedule enough to get into new four-team playoffs?" by Greg Welch on the ksl website. You will see the historical strength of schedule (SOS) required to get in the top four and the SOS of BYU, Utah, Boise State, TCU and Notre Dame since 2000. Really interesting article and well researched, it really shows that you can have a relatively low SOS and be in the top four depending on the win-loss record of the other top 10 teams.

  • Alpine Coug Alpine, UT
    July 7, 2012 9:04 p.m.

    @ Howard S.

    BFFs? Not so sir. Just a figment of your on-going anti-BYU imagination.

    No doubt that Notre Dame and BYU have many attributes in common (just as BYU and Utah have much in common), but at the end of the day, they will each look out for their own separate good.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 7, 2012 8:43 p.m.

    But... but... but... haven't we been assured repeatedly that Notre Dame and BYU are BFFs.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 7, 2012 8:24 p.m.

    I'm so tired of sorts writers saying the the SEC is a lock for two teams in the playoffs. Yes they have been good the past few years. They have not been great forever. And there is no guarantee they will be in the future.

    Notre Dame can write its own ticket.

    BYU will continue to ride the coattails of ND as an independent.