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Published: Thursday, July 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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ugottabkidn
Sandy, UT

Crystal K. Kayser, we are flushing billions down the drain yearly with our current and new healthcare system. The company I work for is already posturing to shift more and more of the cost to employees. This inspite of tax incentives. As citizens we are subsidizing 60% of the healthcare costs of our neighbors and still many can't afford insurance even though employers offer it as a benefit. Our nation's healthcare has become a priviledge of wealth and it is obscene. When a health insurance executive takes home a billion $ in 10 years then something is tragically askew. The only alternative for you and me is just don't get sick.

higv
Dietrich, ID

There taxes are so high there too that there is less incentive. Did our forefathers Immigrate to the new world so we could be like our European cousins? Why do people still want to come to this country. HIgher taxes are passed on to the people anyway. What part of Thou Shalt Not Covet don't people understand.

one old man
Ogden, UT

higv, and just as higher taxes are passed on to the people, so are the medical costs for people who cannot afford to pay for their own. Or for people who have been denied coverage by our insurance giants.

Aren't people who refuse to purchase insurance coveting the money of those of us who will pay when they suddenly need it?

And isn't one of the prime propaganda points of the anti-ACA crowd the idea that the current high cost of health insurance is killing hiring incentives?

Your post simply agrees with the need for universal coverage -- although you don't seem to realize it. Have you been duped?

MichaelHernandez
Chicago, IL

Specifically which studies show France's healthcare system is so efficient and successful. Links to those studies would be appreciated, too.

Truthseeker
SLO, CA

Random thoughts..

A very interesting program can be viewed online, PBS Frontline series, "Dollars and Dentists" which reveals what can happen when private enterprise exploits those without dental coverage.

Why are MRIs, CAT scans and prescription drugs so much cheaper in other countries?
Do Americans benefit when taxpayer dollars flow into the pockets of corporations such as they do/did under Medicare Advantage or when we outsourced military duties to companies like Blackwater?

ACA is just the beginning. No doubt it will need to be modified as time goes on.

pragmatistferlife
salt lake city, utah

If ideologies could be dropped for just a minute and health care looked at objectively, we wouldn't have the ACA, but we certainly wouldn't have the system we've had for the past 70 years. To have my access to health care and a healthy life dependent on my job is insane. Forget who's employed and who's not employed. It means that if I happen to have a job with a major corporation I likely will have the best access available at the time. On the other hand if I work as a tile layer and literly break my back with hard labor every day for 8 hours I will only have coverage for major incidents..if I'm lucky. Now start to factor in our poor outcomes, insurance executives making billions of dollars, drug companies making obscene profits, and it becomes clear very quickly that the core purpose of the American health care system is wealth creation. Making a profit for everyone is the engine in capitalist societies (even France), but the capitlization of health care is destructive and immoral.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

To Michael Hernandez: The study which ranked French healthcare #1 was done by the World Health Organization. The same study ranked the U.S. #37. The Deseret News does not permit links, but I'm sure you can find it easily.

Emajor
Ogden, UT

higv,
Your first point of high taxes and loss of incentive got lost in all of the meaningless rhetorical posturing you dove into right after.

"Did our forefathers Immigrate to the new world so we could be like our European cousins?"

Meaningless nationalistic question. That was hundreds of years ago, nations have changed, and has no relevance to now.

"Why do people still want to come to this country."

They want to go to European countries too. We aren't the only ones with an immigration issue.

"HIgher taxes are passed on to the people anyway"

So are the costs of serious health care problems of the uninsured that could have been avoided with preventative care had they been covered by a health insurance plan.

"What part of Thou Shalt Not Covet don't people understand."

Oh man, where to start? Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's? It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than a rich man to enter heaven? Those who have cared for the least of these have cared for me? Unfortunately for you, the Lord hasn't revealed his opinion on American fiscal policy.

Esquire
Springville, UT

This letter raises some good points. The British system is also worth considering. The bottom line is our system is broken unless you are one of the haves. Most of us make major contributions already to health insurance premiums through our employers. Some plans are just plain awful, depending on what the employer has negotiated with the insurance company. It seems to me that a comprehensive reform effort would be more cost effective and could provide universal coverage, reducing the burden on businesses, the taxpayers as a whole, and the millions who cannot afford insurance. We have terrible results compared to the rest of the industrial world. Huffing and puffing about "socialism" or "freedom" changes nothing and does zero to address a serious problem. The U.S. needs to grow up and take this head on.

Lane Myer
Salt Lake City, UT

"but the capitlization of health care is destructive and immoral."

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Amen.

Brother Chuck Schroeder
A Tropical Paradise USA, FL

HERE the conservatives and libertarians go gain with radical extremism.

A new study funded by the Department of Homeland Security characterizes Americans who are suspicious of centralized federal authority, and reverent of individual liberty as extreme right-wing terrorists. Entitled Hot Spots of Terrorism and Other Crimes in the United States, 1970-2008, the study was produced by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism at the University of Maryland. The organization was launched with DHS funding to the tune of $12 million dollars. The report takes its definitions from a 2011 study entitled Profiles of Perpetrators of Terrorism, produced by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism, in which the following characteristics are used to identify terrorists.

Americans who believe their way of life is under attack;

Americans who are fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation);

Americans who are suspicious of centralized federal authority;

Americans who are reverent of individual liberty;

People who believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.

The "LiL" engine in capitalist societies that rips you flushing billions down-the drain-in-fraud.

louie
Cottonwood Heights, UT

all I can say it is about time we take a major step towards reform. It is also noteworthy that France and other countries have larger percentages of seniors in their population and they struggle less with cost issues. So why has it been so hard for us look at solutions objectively?

atl134
Salt Lake City, UT

We spend 15% of GDP a year on healthcare, while France spends about 10%. Anyone who thinks France (or any other European nations healthcare systems) are absurdedly expensive and would ruin us financially if we used it, I'd love to know what you think about our current much more expensive system's fiscal impact.

Hutterite
American Fork, UT

I've been saying this all along.

Irony Guy
Bountiful, Utah

Having lived in France for a number of years, I can say their system is great. I got treatment quickly and efficiently, got a bill, sent it to the gov't insurance, and that was it. Had bad flu once and a couple of dental abscesses. I have never been better treated. The French have competent, efficient, excellent doctors and dentists.

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

Fact: Medicine currently is FOR PROFIT and it's so expensive no one can afford it without insurance. See a problem here?

Eric Samuelsen
Provo, UT

Outstanding letter. While we're at it, let's look at Finland's education system. We can and should learn from other countries.

There You Go Again
Saint George, UT

Mitt speaks fluent French.

Mitt spent almost three years of his life in France.

Mitt would be the perfect president to introduce Americans into the French Healthcare System.

From Romneycare to French Healthcare.

Marvelous.

Crystal Kayser
West Jordan, UT

Another study conducted by the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine found that the U.S. had the most deaths that could have been prevented with good healthcare and France had the least of the 19 industrialized countries. A study by the commonwealth foundation ranked the US last among six other nations, although France was not included in the study. Of course the most notable is the U.S. ranking of 37th by the World Health Organization. In their study of 191 countries, France was ranked number one.
"Health care spending in the U.S. towers over the other countries. The U.S. has fewer hospital beds and physicians, and sees fewer hospital and physician visits, than in most other countries. Prescription drug utilization, prices, and spending all appear to be highest in the U.S., as does the supply, utilization, and price of diagnostic imaging." David A Squire, Senior researcher for the Common Wealth Fund commenting about health data from eleven countries including France and the U.S.

joe5
South Jordan, UT

None of you even seem to give a nod to WHY costs are so high in the United States. There are two primary reasons: Government regulations and a litigious society. Those are the cost drivers and they are the things being completely ignored in our health care debates.

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