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Published: Thursday, July 5 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

The business campaign to prevent employee organizations from protecting and helping employees has been extremely successful and now the word union is a dirty word and the popular thing is to denigrate the workers at every opportunity.

Teachers unions are a double attack on business. On the one hand they want more money and benefits and on the other they produce unwanted competitors to the business elite class by educating ordinary people.

The problem for ordinary people is that business has control of our government.

EJM
Herriman, UT

@Ultrabob: agreed.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . now the word union is a dirty word . . . ."

Rightfully so.

As Mr. Will points out, the single role trade unions play in the national debate is to demand more money, better benefits, and less work for their members. And they've been successful, over the years, at getting them.

At the expense of education for our kids -- which trends downward at about the same slope as "educators'" pay and benefits.

Nonetheless -- teacher trade unions, moreso than all others, always couch their labor demands in terms of benefit to our children. Though NONE of their primary labor goals actually benefit kids.

In the battle for better, smaller, more accountable government, trade unions are not our partners, they're our adversaries.

It's way past time people like Mr. will called upon them to admit it and stop hiding behind the very kids their unreasonable demands victimize.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "At the expense of education for our kids -- which trends downward at about the same slope as "educators'" pay and benefits."

Meant to say -- At the expense of education for our kids -- which trends downward at about the same slope as "educators'" pay and benefits TREND UPWARD.

Ultra Bob
Cottonwood Heights, UT

procuradorfiscal

The reason people band together in groups is to enhance their strength in the economic jungle. Politicians do it, Doctors do it, lawyers do it, plumbers do it, along with just about every other group with a common interest. Even the janitors do it.

But the only group trashed, persecuted, denigrated, with false propaganda and bitter hate is the workers unions.

Contrary to what you have heard and been told, worker unions are no more evil, crooked, greedy or bad than any other union of human beings.

The reason is pure economic. Individually, a person is weak and helpless in dealing with the huge united front of business. And helpless in the division of spoils from the business operation.

All wealth comes from the efforts of people. Businessmen have profits by buying cheap and selling dear. The campaign against workers unions is simply an unfair, despicable and dishonest as carried out be business, and should not be permitted in a decent capitalist society.

BTW Thanks for the help the other day.

Hellooo
Salt Lake City, UT

I am sure Mr. Emanuel a well known Democrat politician who helped engineer the President's victory in 2008 before being elected to being Mayor of Chicago does not want a battle with unions. Especially the teacher's union, which is the backbone group upon which Democrats nationwide depend for election. However, the costs have now gotten out of control, and Mr. Emanuel can not pay for the pandering without destroying the city. Financial reality is a difficult thing as Chicago politicians are learning. Too bad, his old boss has not come to a similar realization.

homebrew
South Jordan, UT

As a teamster member for the past 25 years,, I say to the teachers, STRIKE. Unions are a good thing. Just being demonized by the GOP. More lies and hate from the tired ol party with NO ideas.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "The campaign against workers unions . . . should not be permitted in a decent capitalist society."

Yeah, and, come the revolution, the AFL-CIO and the NEA will make sure no one criticizes union bosses and their greedy policies and lifestyles.

They'll make sure we all suffer in silence, like good little socialists.

lost in DC
West Jordan, UT

I find it funny the Rahm, now that he HAS to balance a budget, is taking on the union bosses. When he was BO's chief of staff he had no qualms about spending other people's money to buy votes, and if there was not enough, just borrow from China. Cannot do that now, can he?

UltraBob,
In your defense of the demo/NEA, I guess you missed (or just ignored) this from the article. "In the last 50 years, real per pupil spending nationwide has tripled and the number of pupils per teacher has declined by a third, yet educational attainments have fallen."

I guess you also chose to be ignorant of the fact that industries in the US are pushing for better education, because they need qualified workers, and uneducated people do NOT make qualified employees. You see, they want people to be qualified to make a good living, not dependent on BO and his food-stamp programs.

Sikeli
Herriman, UT

If my boss came to me and asked me to work 30% more for only 2% more pay, I'd strike if that option were available or just quit and move somewhere else. Unfortunately, teachers really have no where to move. I don't the mentality of putting down our nations teachers. They are the ones on the front lines, and here in Utah, they are practically spit on by people with nothing but condescension and hate. Thank goodness for the teachers that teach my children. They work in overloaded classrooms for crappy pay, little parent support, and bad attitudes from students and they still make a positive difference. You can double my property taxes if it means teachers will get more pay, smaller classrooms and better benefits.

Linus
Bountiful, UT

The answer eluded Utah: vouchers! Vouchers fund competitive educational choices for parents and their children. They were squashed by the intense campaigning of the teacher's union. I am tired of the educational monopoly that locks our children in liberal, left-leaning public school classrooms. Freedom of choice should be recognized as God-given, and should be inalienable.

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