Defending the Faith: Christianity is all about community

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  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 7, 2012 4:44 a.m.

    @ almost all of you......This is my point. Those that agree pat each other on the back and admire how smart and intelligent you are while diminishing everything everyone else says.
    Two congregations here. Neither right, neither wrong.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    July 6, 2012 9:08 p.m.

    Another straw man thoroughly defeated by the amazing wit of Daniel Peterson!

    Those straw men don't stand a chance against him!

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 6, 2012 3:11 p.m.


    Are there other parts of the bible you believe to be non-scriptural?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    July 6, 2012 2:36 p.m.

    @Bill, the scriptures tells us is that we are all children of our Heavenly Father.

    . .. led by the Spirit of God are the children of God…your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” (see, Romans 8:14-16) Greek for adoption to sonship is a term for the full legal standing of an adoption Roman culture; also verse 23.

    “Compare Our Father which art in Heaven with, The supreme being transcends space and time. The first goes to pieces if you begin to apply the literal meaning to it. How can a sexual animal really be our father? How can it be in the sky? The second falls into no such traps.. C.S. Lewis.

    God created man, “For in him we live and move and have our being…(Acts 17:28)But Christians must be adopted into his family.

    RE: Twin Lights. NIV text note, The most reliable early MS omit John 7:53-8-11.
    LDS KJV text note confirms John 8:7 with (3 Nephi 14:5)and John 11a with D&C 42:25 and The JST was unaware of the KJV error..

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 6, 2012 2:15 p.m.

    "Today, some secular critics find American Mormons culturally unfashionable because, among other things, we're overwhelmingly middle class, which simply isn't cool."

    I have a lot of secular friends, atheist/agnostic friends (I'm going to differentiate this from secular since I want to include religious people who want secular gov't as the secular category), and liberal friends (since liberals tend to secular at least with respect to government), I have never ever heard anything even remotely close to this said by any of them nor in any forum, blog, or whatever. Secular critics primarily focus in on Prop 8, or maybe things like women not being allowed to hold the priesthood, or maybe they just don't care for missionaries.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    July 6, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Sharrona: Actually what the scriptures tells us is that we are all children of our Heavenly Father. Each of us are heirs to all the follow has. Not just a few but all of his children but there are certain things each of us must do.

    The doctrine of Christ is centered in three major areas: Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, Baptism by immersion, and then the laying of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost. These all must be accomplished before one can even step foot through the door. The problem is that you don't want to recognize any of this. We are all heirs to everything the Father has if we are willing to obey his commandments. His son, Jesus Christ, has spoken today just as he spoke of old through living prophets that ONLY true and living Church of Jesus Christ upon the earth today is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS. Just as President Hinkley has stated over and over there is truth in all churches, just not the fullness of the truth and we encourage all to bring their truths and we will add to it.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    July 6, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    If christianity is about communicty, then can you articulate what mormonism is all about?

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 5, 2012 3:45 p.m.

    Shelama and Sharrona,

    Which parts of John are non-scriptural?

  • sharrona layton, UT
    July 5, 2012 3:04 p.m.

    RE: Bill in Nebraska ,None of the things the *critics bring up has any bearing on our own eternal progression but their misleading attacks do thwart the eternal progression?
    C.S. Lewis, “The moment you have a self at all, there is the possibility of putting yourself first: wanting to be God,in fact, That was the sin of Satan; and that was the sin he taught the human race. What Satan put into the heads of our remote ancestors was the idea that they could be like gods.”

    RE: Shelama, the real Jesus never said the words put into his mouth by the author(s) of John.

    Peter disagrees with you,He(Jesus) saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.(John 21:17)V.19,Jesus said to Peter follow me.Peter followed him to death.

  • Dennis Harwich, MA
    July 5, 2012 1:32 p.m.

    Christianity as a whole is simply a culture. Find enough people who believe exactly as you do and you have a congregation.

  • Bill in Nebraska Maryville, MO
    July 5, 2012 12:29 p.m.

    ECR, I agree with you to a point but as mentioned by Blue above who distorts things just as many of our critics do does require some defensiveness or clarifications.

    Blue makes it appear that Mr. Peterson needs to discuss these things which if anyone has followed the site have been discussed over and over again. The problem is that no matter how much the answer has been resolved or who answers it, the same critics continue to divert and mislead others who would be more ready to accept the truth versus the continued lies that come from most critics.

    We must be willing to defend our faith just as much as we must be ready and willing to do as the Savior directs through his living Prophets. Failure to do so will keep us from ever reaching into the eternities. None of the things the critics bring up has any bearing on our own eternal progression but their misleading attacks do thwart the eternal progression of our other brother and siters.

    Captain Moroni was very steadfast in standing up for what is right and defending his faith, his country and his religion. Are we any more compailed also?

  • ECR Burke, VA
    July 5, 2012 12:14 p.m.

    Feeling a bit defensive today Dr. Peterson? I am always baffled by our need to be accepted by our enemies or to present our resume' in all matters. Are we feeling insecure. My experience in the church is that we are made up of a variety of people throughout the world - from extremely wealthy to critically poor and it is the Gospel of Jesus Christ that lifts our lives. Watch and listen to the video currently featured on the church website with Elder Holland discussing the spiritual nature of the people of Africa and his statement that they are able to separate their material wealth from their spiritual wealth. When I attend that same temple you mentioned in Washington DC I am often seated with notable business leaders and on the other side is someone from the most humble of circumstances. There in the temple, we are all equal in God's eyes. That is the beauty of that experience.

    There is no need defend the faith we love and that has brought us happiness and joy. And if we are committed members of that faith we won't feel the need to be defensive.

  • Mukkake Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2012 10:38 a.m.

    [I particularly remember the article's mockery of the temple's new president, a retired Singer Corp. executive whose hand the author had shaken during a press reception. It was a hand, the article sneered, that had undoubtedly sold many sewing machines in its time.

    Georgetown is a Catholic school, and I wondered whether the article would have been as contemptuous toward Peter — the first pope, in Catholic belief — whose hands had, undoubtedly, mended and cast a great many fishing nets. Or, even, toward Jesus himself, whose youthful hands, we're told, were busy in his father's workshop.]

    There's a difference between shaking the hands of a tradesman and shaking the hands of salesman. One has a genuinely firm handshake, from labor, and the other has an exaggerated firm handshake, to overcompensate for his lack thereof. Salesmen are the prostitutes of handshakes.

  • Shelama SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 5, 2012 10:24 a.m.

    I would have hoped that Peterson would've been forthright enough to acknowledge there's reason to believe that the real Jesus never said the words put into his mouth by the author(s) of John. Including the propagandist, polemical and political denunciation of Jews.

  • Blue Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2012 7:27 a.m.

    "Today, some secular critics find American Mormons culturally unfashionable because, among other things, we're overwhelmingly middle class, which simply isn't cool."

    Is this the way Mr. Peterson normally writes? Just make a claim about your critics without citing anything akin to evidence and then build your case on the basis of that baseless claim?

    Where is anyone criticizing Mormons for being "overwhelmingly middle class?"

    There is no shortage of compelling reasons to be critical of the LDS church, but the socioeconomic status of its membership isn't one of them.

    Rather than resorting to hollow strawman arguments, I recommend Mr. Peterson focus his attention on the infinitely more substantive and abundant issues of problematic church history, problematic church doctrine, and problematic church finance.