Wonderful. Now, the scientific world claims to have dicovered God. Does this
permenently cement their role in replacing religion completely?I read a
recent article that several scientists at Cal Tech are in heated debates about
the Big Bang Theory. Several of them now feel there is a rotation of all
observable planetary motion, around something that cannot yet be seen, called
the Great Attractor. If so, that nullifies this find. Because, this find is
predicated on the big bang theory.I greatly appreciate science for the
good of all mankind. But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump
morpunkt: The article says, "the phrase 'God particle'...is used
by laymen, not physicists." I cannot imagine how that can be interpreted as
"the scientific world claims to have discovered God."In
fact, the scientific world claims to have discovered a particle that confirms
the hypothesis that all particle masses arise from interactions with a
"Higgs field" filling the universe.
@morpunkt"The phrase "God particle" was coined by Nobel
Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman but is used by laymen, not physicists, as
an easier way of explaining how the subatomic universe works and got
started."once again the fact that people do not take the time to
understand the science does not dismiss its findings. Science has not claimed to
"find god," I know its hard to fathom but science primary goal really is
not to prove or as most seem to think disprove there is a god. The construct of
god is purely a theological one since there is no way to make actual physical
observations that would prove or disprove an existence of a god or gods.
One more thing for morpunkt, who wrote, "Because, this find is predicated on
the big bang theory."That is incorrect. The observation of a
Higgs particle tells us about how the universe works *today*. Such an
observation isn't predicated on any theory, just as the observation that
objects fall when you release them is true whether or not anyone has a theory to
explain that phenomenon.It is true that the Higgs particle was
hypothesized before it was observed, but that hypothesis was made in the context
of describing the universe today, not as part of a Big Bang model.
"But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump it."Only in your imagination, which is quite active.
Ranch Hand: "Only in your imagination, which is quite active."Maybe you need some more imagination in your life.
morpunktGlendora, CAWonderful. Now, the scientific world claims to
have dicovered God. Does this permenently cement their role in replacing
religion completely?I greatly appreciate science for the good of all
mankind. But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump it.10:07 a.m. July 4, 2012========== What is with these
people?Where do they hear this from? Talk Radio?The Higgs
Bison has nothing to do with Scientists discovering God.OH, and um
....BTW morpunkt- The World is NOT flat, NOT the center of the Universe,
and NOT just 6,000 years old -- no matter WHAT your religion tells you.
Had they shown that the Higgs particle doesn't exist, it would have meant
that our standard model of physics doesn't work. They did find it, and it
does work. Some people might find this to be a religious experience, but it has
absolutely nothing to do with whether there is, or is not a God.
Understanding the physical universe is getting closer to God, the way I see it.
The more we discover, the better. The reason science and scripture seem not to
match is that scripture is an explanation of very complicated things on a level
that humanity (as it was when scripture was written down) could understand.
It's like explaining the function of pharmacogenetics in the metabolism of
cytotoxins to a 2-year-old. You have to simplify it so much that it hardly seems
to bear any resemblance to the science involved. That doesn't mean
you're making it up, just that the audience isn't anywhere near the
level of understanding needed to comprehend a completely correct account. So no,
LDS Liberal, religion does not really teach us that the earth is only 6000 years
old - that's just man's too literal interpretation of the extremely
simplified version of things we have in the scriptures. The Higgs boson-like
particle is just a small step closer to understanding things on a more advanced
The beauty of science is that is always questioning itself and always learning
and evolving according to new evidence. Religion by the most part is
stagnant.Those who genuinely are searching for truth shouldn't
be afraid of new knowledge. On the contrary should welcome it.Swedish reader, I agree with you. Unfortunately, your perspective though
reasonable is not necessarily shared by many. I'm very excited
about the Higgs particle. However, I must confess, I'm having a hard time
understanding how it works.