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Published: Wednesday, July 4 2012 6:21 a.m. MDT

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morpunkt
Glendora, CA

Wonderful. Now, the scientific world claims to have dicovered God. Does this permenently cement their role in replacing religion completely?
I read a recent article that several scientists at Cal Tech are in heated debates about the Big Bang Theory. Several of them now feel there is a rotation of all observable planetary motion, around something that cannot yet be seen, called the Great Attractor. If so, that nullifies this find. Because, this find is predicated on the big bang theory.
I greatly appreciate science for the good of all mankind. But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump it.

srw
Riverton, UT

morpunkt: The article says, "the phrase 'God particle'...is used by laymen, not physicists." I cannot imagine how that can be interpreted as "the scientific world claims to have discovered God."

In fact, the scientific world claims to have discovered a particle that confirms the hypothesis that all particle masses arise from interactions with a "Higgs field" filling the universe.

Tolstoy
salt lake, UT

@morpunkt
"The phrase "God particle" was coined by Nobel Prize-winning physicist Leon Lederman but is used by laymen, not physicists, as an easier way of explaining how the subatomic universe works and got started."

once again the fact that people do not take the time to understand the science does not dismiss its findings. Science has not claimed to "find god," I know its hard to fathom but science primary goal really is not to prove or as most seem to think disprove there is a god. The construct of god is purely a theological one since there is no way to make actual physical observations that would prove or disprove an existence of a god or gods.

srw
Riverton, UT

One more thing for morpunkt, who wrote, "Because, this find is predicated on the big bang theory."

That is incorrect. The observation of a Higgs particle tells us about how the universe works *today*. Such an observation isn't predicated on any theory, just as the observation that objects fall when you release them is true whether or not anyone has a theory to explain that phenomenon.

It is true that the Higgs particle was hypothesized before it was observed, but that hypothesis was made in the context of describing the universe today, not as part of a Big Bang model.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

"But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump it."

Only in your imagination, which is quite active.

Clarissa
Layton, UT

Ranch Hand: "Only in your imagination, which is quite active."
Maybe you need some more imagination in your life.

LDS Liberal
Farmington, UT

morpunkt
Glendora, CA
Wonderful. Now, the scientific world claims to have dicovered God. Does this permenently cement their role in replacing religion completely?

I greatly appreciate science for the good of all mankind. But, the spiritual things of this world will always trump it.

10:07 a.m. July 4, 2012

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What is with these people?
Where do they hear this from? Talk Radio?

The Higgs Bison has nothing to do with Scientists discovering God.

OH, and um ....BTW morpunkt
- The World is NOT flat, NOT the center of the Universe, and NOT just 6,000 years old --
no matter WHAT your religion tells you.

Roland Kayser
Cottonwood Heights, UT

Had they shown that the Higgs particle doesn't exist, it would have meant that our standard model of physics doesn't work. They did find it, and it does work. Some people might find this to be a religious experience, but it has absolutely nothing to do with whether there is, or is not a God.

Swedish reader
Stockholm, Sweden

Understanding the physical universe is getting closer to God, the way I see it. The more we discover, the better. The reason science and scripture seem not to match is that scripture is an explanation of very complicated things on a level that humanity (as it was when scripture was written down) could understand. It's like explaining the function of pharmacogenetics in the metabolism of cytotoxins to a 2-year-old. You have to simplify it so much that it hardly seems to bear any resemblance to the science involved. That doesn't mean you're making it up, just that the audience isn't anywhere near the level of understanding needed to comprehend a completely correct account. So no, LDS Liberal, religion does not really teach us that the earth is only 6000 years old - that's just man's too literal interpretation of the extremely simplified version of things we have in the scriptures. The Higgs boson-like particle is just a small step closer to understanding things on a more advanced level.

Baccus0902
Leesburg, VA

The beauty of science is that is always questioning itself and always learning and evolving according to new evidence. Religion by the most part is stagnant.

Those who genuinely are searching for truth shouldn't be afraid of new knowledge. On the contrary should welcome it.

Swedish reader, I agree with you. Unfortunately, your perspective though reasonable is not necessarily shared by many.

I'm very excited about the Higgs particle. However, I must confess, I'm having a hard time understanding how it works.

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