Comments about ‘Brad Rock: Rock On: Early BYU grid peek: do they care in Peru?’

@Hawaii-Ute

Utah's gate makes more than BYU's?
With 20k fewer fans and Utah's taco bell-free tickets promotions??
Uh, not quite Chuckie.
Swing and a miss, try again.

As for BYU needing Utah in September?

BYU can schedule anybody in September, unless the Utes want a November game, BYU should forget Utah.
We would much rather see our old rivals ASU, Arizona and other Pac 12 teams in September than Utah.

As for 2 for 1's.....

Tell you what Utah, when your program produces a National Championship, Heisman Trophy, Outlands, Doak Walker, Sammy Baugh and Davey O'Brien Winners and when you've had even one College Hall of Famer, get back to us....

Until then, go pound sand.

All BYU needs to do is make Boise St. the Rivalry game.
Boise St. is a much bigger Brand than Community College Utah and Boise has an actual National Brand.

Then rry to extend the Notre Dame deal.

Put Hawaii and Utah State as annual November games or maybe a Service Academy, Army, Navy or Air Force and that's a very nice November.

Bronco said they are working on such scenarios.

Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the four-team playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and there is no way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their interests.

@Whoa Nellie

Utah doesn't have to be close to that "level" simply because the Utes have all the bargaining power. Thanks to conf. affiliation there will always be intriguing teams in RES every season. BYU does not have that luxury built in with independence. Also, now BYU has no choice but to find more quality teams to fill its schedule if it wants to be a contender in the new system. Utah on the other hand can have a very mediocre OCC schedule and still earn a spot.

As for the lack of interest, Utah just saw a 98% season ticket renewal rate for the second straight year. I submit that you are incorrect on all accounts in your last sentence.

I suggest people be careful when talking about "gates". I attended two late night games in Utah last season. One was Oregon State at Utah. The other was New Mexico State at BYU. Know what, there were big blocks of empty seats at LES and RES also. My observation was that both schools had way too many empty seats. TV money aside, both schools need to sell more tickets to people who do not look like empty seats.

Bruno, the only problem with all that is that the other teams would have to agree to it all. BYU is NOT Texas or Notre Dame. If they were, the Pac 12 would be ecstatic about opening a November week for Utah to increase viewership. Until BYU gets to that level of credibility, just reminisce on the 80s and 90s.

nwcoug-They are not on the same level, just wait 9/15 you will see.

GJ-There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games. You've had your run, good luck trying to get another one going.

I think it is great that all 12 BYU football fans in Peru can watch the games. I guess if the fans have satellite, they can also watch the Pac 12 network as well.

Are we still comparing?

Bluto

Are you really that frustrated with the world to tell us Ute Fans to "go pound sand". Right now the U is working on 98% renewal on season tickets I guarantee the Y can't say that. And another thing buddy, byu can't schedule anyone they want in September or it would have happened and who's we when it comes to ASU or AU. All those awards that the y has won are trully great and with great resepct for the program I say that, but it was 10+ years ago. Head to Head it's 7-3 for the Utes and last year just shows how much further along the Utah football program is. No excuse, your team got beat, your team does not have the athletes Utah has and Bluto buddy it's going to be the same this year. When we are playing ASU or AU you guys will be playing Idaho and New Mexico State, I can see your frustration. " Community College Utah" 54-10 please answer me what does that make the y?

MLH, remember, 54-10 was a fluke, done intentionally by Jake Heaps, who played both ways and on special teams, fumbling five times himself on offense, and once muffing a kickoff return, missing tackles, and personally accruing eight penalties for seventy yards, and even disguising himself as Jordan Wynn, throwing for 2 touchdowns AGAINST BYU. It's so simple, I don't know why other Utes fans can't grasp that!

Bluto- All your dusty awards from the 80's and 75 cents will buy you a cup of coffee at 7-11. But they haven't gotten you into a single BCS bowl game. Your program seems to be on a down hill slide. Thanks for reminding us about the glory days of Lavel Edwards.

I don't know who has the bigger gate. I don't really care. But it is interesting to compare ticket prices on stub hub. If you compare the cheapest seats available they are regularly tickets to LES.

CoUte:
You are exactly correct, Utah should schedule BYU at RES in years when they have 4 home conference games, ie even numbered years like 2012, 2014, etc. That means we should travel to Provo in years when we have 5 conference home games, odd numbered years like 2013. This keeps the series going on a year to year rotating basis that works out for everyone. Chris ill is being arrogant and I am tired of it.

"Anyone who thinks all 120 FBS teams are on the same level due to the four-team playoff is kidding themselves. The Big 4 still have the power and there is no way they would agree to a system that didn't protect their interests."

Since there are no automatic tournament tie-ins based on conference affiliation it does level the playing field. Look for the field to expand after the SEC and big 12 leave the Big10 and/or the PAC out of the mix for a couple of years.

"GJ-There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games. You've had your run, good luck trying to get another one going."

The addition of the playoff also will open up bowl games to more intriguing matchups. BYU will get in bigger bowls as the current contracts expire. It's not about luck and it's not my run.

Of course they care in Peru. We are a world wide brand. I was talking to this guy the other day from Peru, he said byu football is their #1 thing in Peru. And China too.

"There will be more than 4 teams go to bowl games, and the Utes will have a shot every year to go and play in the Rose Bowl. BYu has no chance right now than the Kraft Bowl, no one is going to let you play in the big games."

True, Utah will have better access to top tier bowls than BYU due to their conference affiliation but this will mean a lot less beginning in 2014. Once the new playoff system goes into effect BYU will have just as good an opportunity to play for an NC every year as Utah. According to reports the new selection committee will adopt a formula similar to the NCAA basketball tournament that will be based on wins and schedule strength, not conference affiliation. This will also make it easier for BYU to schedule regular season games as more programs will be looking to improve their non-conference schedule instead of just scheduling cupcakes. BYU will have no trouble scheduling big name opponents in September, and October and November will get easier as well. I anticipate BYU's and Utah's SOS to be very similar most years, starting with this year.

GJ, which contracts are you talking about? The B1G and Pac 12 have already extended the Rose Bowl agreement, the SEC and Big XII started their own Champions Bowl, and the ACC just extended the Orange Bowl for 12 more years. Additionally, all of these bowls agreed to have a different B1G, Pac, SEC, Big XII, or ACC representative in their respective game even if the conference champion was in the "national semifinal." They've all but pushed the Big East and previously non-AQ conferences and programs out of the picture. Sorry, bud, but for the moment it appears as if you're still on the outside looking in.

RepresentBlue, yes, just as you stated, a respectable schedule will be crucial to participation in the 4-team beauty contest, but that does not necessarily play in your favor. The teams already in the Pac 12, B1G, Big XII and SEC already seem to have that strength of schedule secured with their conference slate. BYU's next two years will likely be the testing ground for if they are worth the time of Big East members and the top small conference teams to boost their own schedules. Good luck.

StGtoSLC,

The BCS is on its way out. Yes, the big name bowls like the Rose will still be tied to the big name conferences (except when it is their turn to host the NC semi-finals), but the point is those bowls will no longer be the big prize in college football starting in 2014. The NC playoff will be the prize that every college football program will have its sights set on and according to reports the selection criteria will be open and inclusive, based on performance, not conference affiliation. So playing in the PAC will not be a significant advantage for Utah if they schedule down in their non-conference games, especially when the PAC is having a down year like it often does. And just like March Madness, once they see how exciting and profitable a college football playoff is it will not be long before it is expanded to 8 or even 16 teams and nobody will care who played in the Rose Bowl or the Sugar Bowl unless it is hosting one of the semi-final games. Those bowls will become second tier bowls once a true college football playoff gets going.

nwcoug said:

"No such thing as BCS anymore. BYU and Utah are on a level playing field. Oh wait, they are not. BYU is on National TV every week."

Yawn.

BYU lost at home 54-10 on national TV. What is your point? Funny how BYU fans think that just because they are on national TV everyone is watching them. Sorry, nobody cares but BYU fans and ESPN officials looking at the mediocre ratings last year. Got news for you. ESPN has other football contracts. They can change along with the football landscape
The BCS is still around until 2014. The next 12 years after that is a playoff system with much of the BCS structure still intact.

Memo to BYU fans.
Just because the BCS goes away for 12 years, does not mean conferences are out the door.
Its the opposite because strength of schedule, tie-breakers and other things will determine who advances to the playoffs.
Power conferences will still hold the cards, And Notre Dame can still do what it wants.
And life will be harder for BYU to schedule quality teams in the future.

And you are 6-9 all time against San Jose St!

Go Spartans!

With the strength of the SEC and Big12, I foresee the PAC12 only getting a team in one the playoff spots every other year or so. You know it is going to happen especially if anyone other USC, Oregon or Stanford wins the PAC. You're all delusional if you think they will let Utah play for the NC. I know they won't BYU play for it either. At least I can accept the truth. The only way either team is going to be included in the playoffs is if they are undefeated and maybe there is only one other undefeated team. Otherwise the SEC and Big12 will fill the spots with their one loss teams.

@ rhappahannock 3:00pm

I'm not intending to take issue with your comment, and I'm not sure how the finances are handled. However, might your logic similarly apply to us tithe paying LDS fans of football programs other than BYU? Last time I looked the face value of BYU tickets were noticeably less than the ticket cost of other college teams that I know of. BYU, as do most programs, have some fans whom to others come across as arrogant. (Yes, I know that this includes Boise State fans too.) BYU ticket prices have the appearance of being subsidized to some extent. I'm not stating this as a fact because I don't know. But it looks that way.