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  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 9, 2012 6:31 p.m.

    I know for a fact any BYU fan would be doing hand stands if the Y dumped the WCC and independence and got an invite to the Big12. Be real people. Getting to play Texas and OU in Provo instead of Idaho and Weber St??? You decide.

  • patriot Cedar Hills, UT
    July 9, 2012 12:54 p.m.

    My goodness yes - why wouldn't the Y be happy with the WCC conference and Independence in football. First fans get to see power house football teams come to Provo like Idaho and Weber State. Wow - got to love those big time teams coming to town. The Armed Forces bowl - well geez everyone knows that this is one of the premier bowl games in the country along with the Humanitarian Bowl in Boise. As for basketball - what a thrill it is for the Y to go on the road in the WCC and play in front of 4000 fans!!! Yes BYU has sure hit the big time with the WCC and Independence. BCS here we come!!!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 4, 2012 8:16 p.m.

    4601 said:

    "The WCC is the ideal home for BYU; high academic standards, faith based environment. Winning is a by-product of their standards, not the prime object. Other conferences are adopting the SEC as their model; exploit athletes at the expense of institutional integrity."

    Whatever.
    If that was true. The PAC 12 would have thrown its standards out the door for Texas, OK & OK St. to join.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 4, 2012 11:22 a.m.

    Levi LOL thank you for proving my point. Why do you list top 25 finishes and top 15 finishes but stop there? Why don't you list say top 10 and top 5 finishes also? It wouldnt be becasue the Y would show 0 would it? Why didn't you list head to head? Why didnt you list records against BCS teams? Why didnt you list wins against teams with 10 wins and instead just losses against 10 loss teams?

    Again anybody can make a list to make their team look better by selecting only stats they choose. If you look at the overall picture in the last 10 years 2BCS wins and 2 undefeated seasons far out way's anything the Y has done my friend. Ask anybody that is not a Y fan and they would give you that same answer. I'm sure you think the Y has been better than TCU the last 10 years also, right?

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 4, 2012 9:01 a.m.

    The WCC is the ideal home for BYU; high academic standards, faith based environment. Winning is a by-product of their standards, not the prime object. Other conferences are adopting the SEC as their model; exploit athletes at the expense of institutional integrity.

  • Proud Ute ,
    July 4, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Levi,
    You just can't seem to get those blue goggles off can you?
    Your "stats" from the wayback machine have been reported many times by many other cougars but here it is 2012 and your Coach and AD are playing the media to get games with the Utes in order to stay relevent, locally with recruits and on the national scene.
    That my friend, is the "overall picture" you're missing.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 4, 2012 1:28 a.m.

    2B

    Your bcs obsession has blinded you to the overall picture.

    Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    Bronco 3
    Kyle 1

    Conference Championships
    Bronco 2
    Kyle 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    Bronco 5
    Kyle 3

    Losses to 10-loss Teams
    Bronco 0
    Kyle 2

    Overall Record
    Bronco 66-24
    Kyle 65-25

    Kyle had ONE great season in 2008, but overall, Bronco has outperformed Kyle; the overall record speaks for itself - BYU has been the better program during the Bronco/Kyle era.

    btw, if Top 25 finishes are such "mediocre" accomplishments, why has Utah only managed SEVEN Top 25 finishes in their ENTIRE HISTORY?

    Bronco has almost that many Top 25 finishes in his first seven years as BYU's head coach.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    July 3, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    Trite. Quite trite.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 3, 2012 3:16 p.m.

    idablue:

    "I have heard from more than one source that a few university presidents are still bitter about Prop-8."

    Nope. The Prop-8 issue was THIS century. The cougars hadn't been wanted extending all the way back to the LAST century.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 3, 2012 11:05 a.m.

    Levi

    Can you please post for us the most top 5 finishes, BCS bowl apperances, BCS bowl wins and undefeated seasons that happened recentley? Say the last 10 years would be recent enough. Maybe include who has sent more players to the NFL also....thanks

    Anybody can make a list to make their team look better by only including what makes their team look good. Y fans are known for making these lists that will leave out anything that will make the U look better. When the Y was better I at least gave them credit for being the better program. When the U is the better program recently however Y fans still can't take of the blue stained glasses long enough to give credit where credit is due.

    To say the Y was the better program in the last decade over the U. Is about like saying Nevada was a better program then Boise St. over the last 10 years.

  • JNA Layton, UT
    July 3, 2012 7:34 a.m.

    You can spin it in any way you want, but independence and the WCC is and will continue to be the complete disaster. The schedules are rediculous and embarrassing. As a lifelong BYU fan, this is so disappointing, but Holmoe and the administration of BYU are first and foremost political animals so what would you expect them to stay? They are NEVER going to admit the truth.

  • Proud Ute ,
    July 3, 2012 6:05 a.m.

    @Solomon

    Rather than listing a dusty old resume that doesn't mean anything to anybody but other old cougars stuck in the past here's a more relevent term you should get familiar with.
    Jump the shark: a term to describe a moment when somethin that was once great has reached a point where it will now decline in quality and popularity.
    That moment was when your "legacy" program announced it's independence because nobody wanted to put up with you.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 10:11 p.m.

    2B

    If Utah had actually accomplished something on a national scale during Utah's first 40 years of dominance, Utah's record versus BYU might actually be meaningful. Unfortunately for U, Utah's first year of actually accomplishing something on a national scale, was the end of Utah's reign of domination.

    1964 - Utah wins its first WAC championship and finishes in the Top 25 for the first time, unranked AP/#14 Coaches

    1965 - BYU beats Utah and wins its first WAC championship

    1977 BYU #20/#16 - BYU cracks the Top 25 in both polls, something Utah has never done
    1979 BYU #13/#12
    1980 BYU #12/#12
    1981 BYU #13/#11
    1983 BYU #7/#7
    1984 BYU #1/#1; BYU wins National Championship
    1985 BYU #16/#17
    1989 BYU #22/#18
    1990 BYU #22/#17; Ty Detmer wins Heisman Trophy
    1991 BYU #23/#23
    1994 BYU #18/#10; Utah #10/#8; Utah finishes in the Top 25 in both polls for the first time
    1995 Utah wins its 2nd WAC championship
    1996 BYU #5/#5; BYU wins its NINETEENTH WAC championship

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 12 (both polls)
    Utah 2 (ONE, both polls)

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 2, 2012 6:30 p.m.

    mountainman56 said

    "As I said, the losses to San Jose were in the 40's and 50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare records of BYU vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How about BIG 12? For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in all three so I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against SJSU from 60-70 years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's record vs. San Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but I'm going to bet it's nothing to write home about."

    Mountainman rather than look all that up of who played who. Will you just look up what Y's record is against the U all time and post it for us? While your at it can you post what it has been say the last 10 years?.....thanks

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    July 2, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    @eastcoastcoug part 2
    In the end, your hopes and mine for BYU football may just be a pipe dream. BYU Board of Directors (aka The Brethren) and President Samuelson are pretty much calling the shots here. They really don't care so much about National Championship in Football as much as "selling the brand". They love Bronco because the program is cleaner under his stewardship and because he views his position of Head Coach as a Church calling. Bronco is not a bad coach, but he's not a great coach either. Bronco's primary emphasis is character and spiritual development of his players, and the Board of Directors love that. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but when the focus of a program is not centered on winning, like the big-time programs are, then you are not going to win national championships in football in the BCS era. Just my two-bits.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    July 2, 2012 6:02 p.m.

    Eastcoastcoug:

    I agree that BYU needs to have some runs like TCU, BSU and Utah to get invited to a BCS. However, even if that happened, the PAC 12 wouldn't let us in. I have heard from more than one source that a few university presidents are still bitter about Prop-8. That won't change. But I think if we would have beaten Texas last year, we'd be talking with the Big-12. Did BYU make a mistake by turning down the Big East? I don't think so (and I am in the join-a-conference camp) but time will tell. Boise State might have been a good partner with whom to join that conference.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 4:53 p.m.

    NIGHTOWL

    As I said, the losses to San Jose were in the 40's and 50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare records of BYU vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How about BIG 12? For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in all three so I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against SJSU from 60-70 years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's record vs. San Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but I'm going to bet it's nothing to write home about.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 2, 2012 4:33 p.m.

    Mountainman56 said:

    "NIGHTOWL

    1) If nobody cares about the statistics that BYU fans post other than BYU fans, why are you and countless others constantly on here trying to disprove the validity or the relevance of those statistics?

    2) Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everybody's doing it, it doesn't make it right? The justification you're using for WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from the 40's and 50's is well, uh you guys did it first. That's always a good argument!"

    LOL!

    BYU is 6-9 against San Jose St. Not a PAC, BIG 12 or SEC team. A WAC team!
    You are the one trying to disprove the validity of relevant facts.
    Get over it!

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 2, 2012 3:55 p.m.

    @Coach Biff,

    If Bronco's blaming our lack of a decent invite on bigotry, than he's more pathetic than I imagined: making excuses for his poor coaching. Given the other comment on Cal, you seem to have bought into the whole conspiracy argument. We just need to man up and win some games. We have failed to improve our level of play in the 40 years I've watched. At least once in a while, it would be nice to see us put together a season like Boise State, TCU, Utah have done at least twice in the past 5 years. Then if we aren't invited to a BCS bowl or a top tier conference, we have REAL grounds to complain.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 3:35 p.m.

    NIGHTOWL

    1) If nobody cares about the statistics that BYU fans post other than BYU fans, why are you and countless others constantly on here trying to disprove the validity or the relevance of those statistics?

    2) Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everybody's doing it, it doesn't make it right? The justification you're using for WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from the 40's and 50's is well, uh you guys did it first. That's always a good argument!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2012 3:20 p.m.

    CougarOnTheProwl:

    "Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their name but do you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win consistantly?"

    Nope. We don't think that. But neither do we think the nation is gonna care if the Indy-WACers DO win consistently, because their SOS is weak. At least WE can control our own destiny. You can't.

    Mid-majors forever.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    July 2, 2012 2:52 p.m.

    EastCoastCoug,

    Those are the words straight from Bronco's mouth. I wasn't the only one there either as the meeting was for many of BYU's donors. Those are exactly the reasons given for not allowing BYU into those two respective conferences. There are many on here who think they know something about the reasons BYU is independant. I have it from the the only true source. Frankly, Holmoe and Bronco are tired of all of the blather that go on here. BYU did not get invited to the PAC because of it's affiliations. Prop 8 only sealed the fate and allowed the psuedo-intellectual powers that be who run the other institutions more latitude in excluding BYU. I really don't want to be in the same conference as the Peoples Republic of Berkeley. BYU football isn't going away. We just have a tougher hill to climb.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 2, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Mountainman56 said:

    "WACPAD

    What I explained to you is an example of being hypocritical and in case you're not sure what that means, it's not a good thing."

    You can't be serious? BYU fans wrote the book on posting every single meaningless stat that nobody cares about. Well other than BYU fans.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 2, 2012 2:26 p.m.

    CougFaninTX said:

    "As long as Notre Dame is Independent, there will always be an opportunity for other teams to be independent.

    With the BCS going bust, and AQ status is history - Navy will rethink their move to the Big Easy and go back to Indy status.

    Neither Boise State nor their fans will tolerate playing teams on the opposide side of the continent for very long.

    With the new playoff system in place, I look for another wave of conference realigment as schools and conferences position themselves to follow the money."

    So now you are saying that BYU can't stand on its own!
    Thanks for admitting what we already know. BYU is riding the coat tail of Notre Dame in an attempt to be successful.
    In addition, the new playoff system is in place for 12 years. Who knows what will happen after that.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2012 1:59 p.m.

    WACPaddled

    National Championships - always relevant; they're part of college football history - see National College Football Hall of Fame.

    head-to-head records from a bygone era, totally irrelevant, whether they occurred mostly during the 20's, 30's, 40's or 50's, like BYU versus San Jose State, or BYU versus Utah, or in the early 1900's like Utah versus SLC YMCA - see back pages of team media guides.

    Someday, IF Utah ever wins a national championship, Utah fans will finally understand the difference.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 1:57 p.m.

    WACPAD

    What I explained to you is an example of being hypocritical and in case you're not sure what that means, it's not a good thing.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 2, 2012 1:05 p.m.

    ...As for the alleged excuse that the PAC 12 openly discriminated against BYU for its LDS affiliation and the BIG 12 for our no Sunday play, both acts are illegal and in any event irrelevant. If we won some BCS games like our brothers TCU, BSU and Utah and even got into a January bowl game like Hawaii, Rutgers and a few others, we wouldn't have to beg. Win games and doors will open. Stop this inane inferiority/persecution complex!!

  • ItrustNo1 La Grange, TN
    July 2, 2012 1:02 p.m.

    Being happy about BYU's present position is a "just glad to be here" position. If they want to be respected and be considered one of the best among the best, BYU needs to stop screwing around and join the BIG 12 before it is to late. Four, maybe five major conferences and the BCS are jointly moving towards a major conference national championship playoff, and BYU needs to stop writing these claims of being happy about being on the outside looking in and start facing reality. The train is leaving the station even if BYU isn't on it. The BYU brand suffers every year that it is not a member of one of the major conferences. Being on TV does not make you great and can expose the fact that half of your schedule is made up of inferior teams. No one wants to watch Notre Dame play San Jose State or Idaho State anymore than BYU fans want to watch give away games like that. Join the Big 12 before you lose your magic.

  • eastcoastcoug Danbury, CT
    July 2, 2012 12:58 p.m.

    Beg to differ...I wanted BYU to go into the PAC for years - only conference that made sense in terms of big media centers in or near our time zone with large LDS populations (talk about "exposure"). Independence only makes sense if it means raising our hands to say we're serious about going somewhere else. Not an end in itself. Now I'm completely confused as we've passed on both the BIG 12 and BIG East (OK unsettled conferences but still a better grouping of better programs).

    I don't get where we're going or why, and we continue to play with the same tired old Utah boy players and coaches with "almost made it" season results for both football and basketball. The rest of the world (including our competitors Utah, TCU and BSU) seem to have moved up and on. Not BYU. Rose and Bronco should both be ashamed.

    This is not acceptable...

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 2, 2012 12:41 p.m.

    As long as Notre Dame is Independent, there will always be an opportunity for other teams to be independent.

    With the BCS going bust, and AQ status is history - Navy will rethink their move to the Big Easy and go back to Indy status.

    Neither Boise State nor their fans will tolerate playing teams on the opposide side of the continent for very long.

    With the new playoff system in place, I look for another wave of conference realigment as schools and conferences position themselves to follow the money.

  • Seminolebob JACKSONVILLE, FL
    July 2, 2012 12:23 p.m.

    Perhaps it would be in the best interest of BYU to find a home.
    There is a lot of talk down here what the new football playoff will do to smaller programs like N. Texas, E. Washington, Youngstown St etc. If two schools are 11-1 at the end of the season (Ohio St & Texas for example), what will be the tiebreaker? Its a different system now. Power conference schools will now look to improve their OOC scheduling. Well where are you going to invest your money? You want more attention by playing better schools.

    Unfortunately this could mean some schools drop football all together. I think that would be a bummer.
    This would also mean some of BYUs potential opponents as an independent might no longer exist in the future. It would be up to power conference schools to fill up your schedule. Do you really like your chances over the next 10+ years as an independent? I and others say that odds are against you. Go join a conference to remain relevant. Otherwise you might be deciding what will happen to your football program as well.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 2, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    Mountainman56
    Alpine, UT
    WACPAD

    You seem pretty happy with yourself for digging up the 9-6 record San Jose St. has vs BYU since this is about the 10th time you've mentioned it in your recent rantings about BYU. Just so everyone else can understand the relevance of that statistic, BYU has played San Jose St. 3 times since 1969 - all wins. The last time BYU lost to SJSU was in 1968 and the other 8 losses came between 1946 and 1961. U all constantly berate BYU for bringing up the ancient history of the 1984 national championship and yet here you are trying to prove something about a record that came about in the 40's and 50's. Nice job!

    _______

    Thank you!

    Only following the example set by BYU fans like yourself.

  • Mountainman56 Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2012 11:52 a.m.

    WACPAD

    You seem pretty happy with yourself for digging up the 9-6 record San Jose St. has vs BYU since this is about the 10th time you've mentioned it in your recent rantings about BYU. Just so everyone else can understand the relevance of that statistic, BYU has played San Jose St. 3 times since 1969 - all wins. The last time BYU lost to SJSU was in 1968 and the other 8 losses came between 1946 and 1961. U all constantly berate BYU for bringing up the ancient history of the 1984 national championship and yet here you are trying to prove something about a record that came about in the 40's and 50's. Nice job!

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2012 10:31 a.m.

    WACPaddled

    In a more relevant head-to-head comparison, especially for U

    Washington is 4-4 versus BYU; 7-0 versus Utah

    The Huskies own U.

    The Utes are also 6-17 versus ASU, 24-31 versus Colorado, 8-18 versus Oregon, 6-9-1 versus OSU, 2-8 versus UCLA, 2-3 versus Stanford, 3-5 versus California, and 3-7 versus USC

    In fact, the ONLY PAC 12 teams that the Utes have a winning record against are Arizona 20-15-2 and WSU 6-5.

    The Utes will fit in very well as conference bottom feeders.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    July 2, 2012 10:14 a.m.

    Went to a meeting at LES the other day and we got to talk to Bronco and Riley one on one. Bronco let us know that one conference told them that as long as BYU was associated with the LDS faith, they would never consider us for membership. I can only guess that would have been the Pac-12. He also let us know that another conference would not budge on the No Sunday play scenario. I can only guess that was the Big-12. So in my mind, independance is the only way to go where BYU isn't required to compromise it's principles. We have a great schedule coming this year and better ones in the future. I don't see the problem. U fans can rail all they want but it seems like hollow tinkering to me. Both schools are positioned well for the future. Now it's up to both of them to win.

  • Hemlock Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    BYU sports seems to have little interest except among the trolls.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 2, 2012 8:37 a.m.

    I'm not happy with the Indie thing - I'd rather be a bottom-feeder in the Pac-12 like Utah.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    July 2, 2012 7:55 a.m.

    WACPaddled

    It's laughable that a Utah troll would spend so much time obsessing about a conference that the Utes were such a non-factor in - 2 conference championships in 36 years.

    Weren't U destroyed in your last meeting against a WAC team?

    You really should give a little more respect to a conference that you spent so much time as a bottom dweller in. Of course, you're still a bottom-dweller in the PAC 12, so not much has changed.

    ______

    Regardless of conference affiliation, what matters most is winning!
    BYU 10-3 Top 25,
    Utah 8-5 UNRANKED

    SLC YMCA 6-1 overall against Utah. The Village People own U!

    Despite all of your hollow promises that U have moved on, our little brothers are still totally obsessed with their big brother, BYU.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 1, 2012 8:56 p.m.

    CougarOnTheProwl
    Murray, UT
    Bottom line is it doesnt really matter which conference or if your even affliated with a conference, what matters is winning. You win and fans will be happy and the nation will take notice. BYU wins alot of games consistantly year in and year out. And for you utah trolls who continue to obsess and comment on about everything BYU... Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their name but do you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win consistantly? Not one bit sorry they really dont care and right now utah is a middle of the pack mediocre PAC- 12 team in football and a bottom feeder in Basketball. Your all miserable thats why you spend your days on here waiting for BYU articles to comment on, you havent moved on and never will and its quite comical actually.

    ______

    That's right. What matters is winning.
    San Jose St. is 9-6 overall against BYU. The Spartans own you!

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 1, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    I love the DNews! They always deliver!

  • CougarOnTheProwl Murray, UT
    July 1, 2012 7:34 p.m.

    Bottom line is it doesnt really matter which conference or if your even affliated with a conference, what matters is winning. You win and fans will be happy and the nation will take notice. BYU wins alot of games consistantly year in and year out. And for you utah trolls who continue to obsess and comment on about everything BYU... Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their name but do you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win consistantly? Not one bit sorry they really dont care and right now utah is a middle of the pack mediocre PAC- 12 team in football and a bottom feeder in Basketball. Your all miserable thats why you spend your days on here waiting for BYU articles to comment on, you havent moved on and never will and its quite comical actually.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 1, 2012 7:18 p.m.

    Please BYU fans.........quit thinking about the Big 12. That will never happen for BYu. Heck, the Big 12 told FSU and Clemson they are NOT expanding three weeks ago after they contacted the Big 12 officials.. BYU has NEVER been considered, nor will EVER be invited to the Big 12, or has ever spoken to them one time. BYu is indy for many many reasons.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 1, 2012 7:11 p.m.

    @ Proud Ute,

    The very second that Tom Holmoe knew that the U was accepted by the PAC, he called every conference in the country hoping someone would throw him a bone. The PAC and the Big 12 never called him back one time, even to this day. BYu blew it with the Big East as we all found out. The BYu football program will be gone after ESPN dumps them while they try to rebuild in 2013-14. BYU's tv ratings are absolutely horrible, to say the least.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 1, 2012 6:45 p.m.

    utah football will consistently be a mid to bottom dweller in the conference of champions. but hey, at least they're in a good conference. their round ball team will be a warm-up game for the entire conference - would certainly be at the bottom of the WCC. i guess their women's gymnastics will do ok.

  • Proud Ute ,
    July 1, 2012 6:25 p.m.

    Independance.......... pfft, like they had a choice in it.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2012 5:53 p.m.

    If you write it enough, it must be true.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    July 1, 2012 4:37 p.m.

    What, no indoor plumbing? I totally over-looked the fact that you folks up on the hill still had one-holers!

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 1, 2012 3:19 p.m.

    @ TJ

    With that kind of blind optimism, you must be a Cubs fan too.

    The longer someone repeats something; its obvious the person they trying hardest to convince is themselves.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 1, 2012 2:43 p.m.

    @Utah-Hawaii Alum
    "There is a purpose for the plethora of redundant articles like this that the DNews publishes."

    And what is the purpose for the plethera of redundant comments like yours that the DNews publishes? If U don't like reading the articles, don't read them. It's a free country. I'm pretty sure nobody is forcing you to read them. I read 6 - 10 Ute articles per year. I don't think U, nor a few of your friends, miss a single article.

    I'm not sure the title of this article matched the content, but I really enjoyed reading how all of the sports did in their new conference. Other than football and men's basketball, I don't follow all the other sports closely enough to know how we did.

    I think the WCC is proving to be a tougher challenge in all sports than the MWC. Men's basketball seams to be on par with the MWC. But given the choice between traveling to see a Coug basketball game in San Diego, Malibu, Portland or San Francisco versus Laramie or Albuquerque - it's a pretty easy choice.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 1, 2012 1:17 p.m.

    These 'happy' articles aren't helping us get inti the Big 12. Most of us aren't all that happy!

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 1, 2012 1:13 p.m.

    Irony: People complaining that BYU articles are a waste of time by taking the time to comment on each BYU article after "wasting their time" reading them.

    Good year for BYU athletics. Hoping for a great year in 2012-13

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 1, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    Happy with WCC affiliation?

    Say it often enough and Cougar Nation might start to believe it.

  • Wildcat O-town, UT
    July 1, 2012 11:11 a.m.

    When the D-News prints a bi-monthly story of the success/happiness about independence, it makes you feel like BYU and the D-News are just trying to convince themselves that they are happy.

    If they are serious, BYU should try to join the Big 12. If they can't get that, possibly join the Big East. Otherwise, they better go crawling back to the MWC. Independence has no future if BYU wants to have respect on the national stage. I personally don't think they want to play for rankings or national respect. I think they are happy playing a few good games, a lot of green-light games and earn a lot of coin while having their own broadcast rights. That's fine, I guess, but I think many season ticket holders may decide to stay at home if this continues.

    I'll close with Sheryl Crow, "If it makes you happy, it can't be that bad. If it makes you happy, then why the heck (clean version) are you so sad." Have a great Sunday everybody!

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 1, 2012 11:02 a.m.

    Oh- and by the way Clue Bay... with the playoff system Utah's swith to the PAC-12 is irrelevant. Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. Pretty sure that one of the 4 teams will come from the PAC-12 after playing consistently meaningful games... for sure not an independent team that played maybe 3 valid games. Even if the y went undefeated they don't have the strength of schedule nor a conference championship possibility.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 1, 2012 10:53 a.m.

    Way to go Clue Bay- Spending a whole paragraph comparing Y to U sports and then stating that the U is always trying to compare themselves. Even more humorous is your use of olympic sports and statistics that are made up but fit your point. By the way 2 of the 3 teams you use are clubs, not official Y sports teams.

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    July 1, 2012 10:51 a.m.

    RE: Utah-Hawaii Alum

    "...lifelong BYu fans that are extremely disappointed with independence and fear that Y football may disappear within a fews years"

    Thanks for the laugh. I've never heard from anyone besides the few BYU trolls that frequent these boards that believe there is any chance BYU will drop football at any point in the future. BYU fans are grateful to have such a consistent program that regularly produces ranked teams, plays all over the country, and now has even more freedom (via independence) in scheduling great teams.

    True that most BYU fans would take the BIG12 over independence (but still prefer indy to MWC). True that articles like these are getting old. But not as old as haters who have to read and comment on everything BYU. Go Cougs!

  • Clue Bay AMERICAN FORK, UT
    July 1, 2012 10:03 a.m.

    BYU Sports overall are in alot better position than Utah. BYU wins about 65% of the olympic sports titles (Conference and Tournament) in every conference they have been associated with (WAC, MWC, etc.) and have picked up a couple of National Championships in Rugby, Mens volleyball and Cross Country. Utah has done well in Football recently, but that is the only consistent success they have had in years. Now college Football has a playoff system - Utahs switch to the PAC 12 is more and more irrelevant. It speaks volumes to read the article in todays paper on the State of Utah Blue Chip recruits and how many are going to BYU in all sports! Utah - you really are still a commuter school that is always trying to compare yourself to BYU!

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    July 1, 2012 10:00 a.m.

    I agree. These articles are getting kind of old.

    Not every Cougar is happy about it. Although I would admit we are better off now than we were with the MWC.

    Please DN, let's just move on.

  • I'll call it Ogden, UT
    July 1, 2012 9:29 a.m.

    I'm not very happy in November.

    Schedule us some "dog fights".

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    July 1, 2012 9:05 a.m.

    Haha. I thought the Big 12 was a certainty. Oh BYU. BYU. You are so cute.

  • EMBO23 Riverton, UT
    July 1, 2012 8:38 a.m.

    If they media would stop asking clown questions, then you wouldn't continue to get these redundant responses. BYU is fine. Utah is fine. Move on.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2012 8:27 a.m.

    Recycling is good for paper but not for newspapers.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    July 1, 2012 8:06 a.m.

    There is a purpose for the plethora of redundant articles like this that the DNews publishes.. I have many friends that a lifelong BYu fans that are extremely disappointed with independence and fear that Y football may disappear within a fews years. Which, I believe is inevitable. Scheduling for BYu may become even MORE difficult and the current entertainment value provided by lowly WAC squads and lower tier Big SKy teams leaves many unhappy Y fans.

    This blatant propaganda will continue for sure. I'm enjoying it........pretty funny actually.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    July 1, 2012 7:54 a.m.

    Thanks for the report, Jeff. Good to see people still care to read everything BYU.

  • One Angry Salebarn Worker Madison, SD
    July 1, 2012 7:11 a.m.

    Cougar Athletics seemed to be way down last year. Hopefully they can tun the ship around.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 1, 2012 1:14 a.m.

    I am trying to be fair. How does this article show that BYU is happy with independence???? Most of the sports with any ranking were in some kind of conference but not with a high national ranking. Why does it seem for years the football team will keep saying we started off slow and lost the first few games but really got it together and won our last seven. Maybe the schedule??? Also how many times will Bronco and D-News keep bringing up how great independence is and POTENTIAL media viewers are is why you should go to BYU? An old saying: "If you say it enough times, you will begin to believe it".

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 1, 2012 12:05 a.m.

    gdog and bleed, did you notice this was a BYU Sports article? I would suggest you limit your reading to articles about teams you like. Then you won't have wasted your time reading and commenting!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    June 30, 2012 11:38 p.m.

    Here we go again! Another "BYU is happy with Independence and WCC affiliation" article. Must be another slow day in the sports department.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    June 30, 2012 10:42 p.m.

    Didn't we read this same article a couple of times already? This seems like a repeat from a week or two ago.

    If the Cougars are happy with their independence, then good for them. Next topic please.