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Published: Saturday, June 30 2012 9:37 p.m. MDT

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eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

Beg to differ...I wanted BYU to go into the PAC for years - only conference that made sense in terms of big media centers in or near our time zone with large LDS populations (talk about "exposure"). Independence only makes sense if it means raising our hands to say we're serious about going somewhere else. Not an end in itself. Now I'm completely confused as we've passed on both the BIG 12 and BIG East (OK unsettled conferences but still a better grouping of better programs).

I don't get where we're going or why, and we continue to play with the same tired old Utah boy players and coaches with "almost made it" season results for both football and basketball. The rest of the world (including our competitors Utah, TCU and BSU) seem to have moved up and on. Not BYU. Rose and Bronco should both be ashamed.

This is not acceptable...

ItrustNo1
La Grange, TN

Being happy about BYU's present position is a "just glad to be here" position. If they want to be respected and be considered one of the best among the best, BYU needs to stop screwing around and join the BIG 12 before it is to late. Four, maybe five major conferences and the BCS are jointly moving towards a major conference national championship playoff, and BYU needs to stop writing these claims of being happy about being on the outside looking in and start facing reality. The train is leaving the station even if BYU isn't on it. The BYU brand suffers every year that it is not a member of one of the major conferences. Being on TV does not make you great and can expose the fact that half of your schedule is made up of inferior teams. No one wants to watch Notre Dame play San Jose State or Idaho State anymore than BYU fans want to watch give away games like that. Join the Big 12 before you lose your magic.

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

...As for the alleged excuse that the PAC 12 openly discriminated against BYU for its LDS affiliation and the BIG 12 for our no Sunday play, both acts are illegal and in any event irrelevant. If we won some BCS games like our brothers TCU, BSU and Utah and even got into a January bowl game like Hawaii, Rutgers and a few others, we wouldn't have to beg. Win games and doors will open. Stop this inane inferiority/persecution complex!!

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

WACPAD

What I explained to you is an example of being hypocritical and in case you're not sure what that means, it's not a good thing.

phantomblade
Salt Lake City, Utah

WACPaddled

National Championships - always relevant; they're part of college football history - see National College Football Hall of Fame.

head-to-head records from a bygone era, totally irrelevant, whether they occurred mostly during the 20's, 30's, 40's or 50's, like BYU versus San Jose State, or BYU versus Utah, or in the early 1900's like Utah versus SLC YMCA - see back pages of team media guides.

Someday, IF Utah ever wins a national championship, Utah fans will finally understand the difference.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

CougFaninTX said:

"As long as Notre Dame is Independent, there will always be an opportunity for other teams to be independent.

With the BCS going bust, and AQ status is history - Navy will rethink their move to the Big Easy and go back to Indy status.

Neither Boise State nor their fans will tolerate playing teams on the opposide side of the continent for very long.

With the new playoff system in place, I look for another wave of conference realigment as schools and conferences position themselves to follow the money."

So now you are saying that BYU can't stand on its own!
Thanks for admitting what we already know. BYU is riding the coat tail of Notre Dame in an attempt to be successful.
In addition, the new playoff system is in place for 12 years. Who knows what will happen after that.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Mountainman56 said:

"WACPAD

What I explained to you is an example of being hypocritical and in case you're not sure what that means, it's not a good thing."

You can't be serious? BYU fans wrote the book on posting every single meaningless stat that nobody cares about. Well other than BYU fans.

Coach Biff
Lehi, UT

EastCoastCoug,

Those are the words straight from Bronco's mouth. I wasn't the only one there either as the meeting was for many of BYU's donors. Those are exactly the reasons given for not allowing BYU into those two respective conferences. There are many on here who think they know something about the reasons BYU is independant. I have it from the the only true source. Frankly, Holmoe and Bronco are tired of all of the blather that go on here. BYU did not get invited to the PAC because of it's affiliations. Prop 8 only sealed the fate and allowed the psuedo-intellectual powers that be who run the other institutions more latitude in excluding BYU. I really don't want to be in the same conference as the Peoples Republic of Berkeley. BYU football isn't going away. We just have a tougher hill to climb.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougarOnTheProwl:

"Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their name but do you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win consistantly?"

Nope. We don't think that. But neither do we think the nation is gonna care if the Indy-WACers DO win consistently, because their SOS is weak. At least WE can control our own destiny. You can't.

Mid-majors forever.

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

NIGHTOWL

1) If nobody cares about the statistics that BYU fans post other than BYU fans, why are you and countless others constantly on here trying to disprove the validity or the relevance of those statistics?

2) Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everybody's doing it, it doesn't make it right? The justification you're using for WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from the 40's and 50's is well, uh you guys did it first. That's always a good argument!

eastcoastcoug
Danbury, CT

@Coach Biff,

If Bronco's blaming our lack of a decent invite on bigotry, than he's more pathetic than I imagined: making excuses for his poor coaching. Given the other comment on Cal, you seem to have bought into the whole conspiracy argument. We just need to man up and win some games. We have failed to improve our level of play in the 40 years I've watched. At least once in a while, it would be nice to see us put together a season like Boise State, TCU, Utah have done at least twice in the past 5 years. Then if we aren't invited to a BCS bowl or a top tier conference, we have REAL grounds to complain.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

Mountainman56 said:

"NIGHTOWL

1) If nobody cares about the statistics that BYU fans post other than BYU fans, why are you and countless others constantly on here trying to disprove the validity or the relevance of those statistics?

2) Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everybody's doing it, it doesn't make it right? The justification you're using for WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from the 40's and 50's is well, uh you guys did it first. That's always a good argument!"

LOL!

BYU is 6-9 against San Jose St. Not a PAC, BIG 12 or SEC team. A WAC team!
You are the one trying to disprove the validity of relevant facts.
Get over it!

Mountainman56
Alpine, UT

NIGHTOWL

As I said, the losses to San Jose were in the 40's and 50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare records of BYU vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How about BIG 12? For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in all three so I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against SJSU from 60-70 years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's record vs. San Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but I'm going to bet it's nothing to write home about.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

Eastcoastcoug:

I agree that BYU needs to have some runs like TCU, BSU and Utah to get invited to a BCS. However, even if that happened, the PAC 12 wouldn't let us in. I have heard from more than one source that a few university presidents are still bitter about Prop-8. That won't change. But I think if we would have beaten Texas last year, we'd be talking with the Big-12. Did BYU make a mistake by turning down the Big East? I don't think so (and I am in the join-a-conference camp) but time will tell. Boise State might have been a good partner with whom to join that conference.

idablu
Idaho Falls, ID

@eastcoastcoug part 2
In the end, your hopes and mine for BYU football may just be a pipe dream. BYU Board of Directors (aka The Brethren) and President Samuelson are pretty much calling the shots here. They really don't care so much about National Championship in Football as much as "selling the brand". They love Bronco because the program is cleaner under his stewardship and because he views his position of Head Coach as a Church calling. Bronco is not a bad coach, but he's not a great coach either. Bronco's primary emphasis is character and spiritual development of his players, and the Board of Directors love that. I am not saying that is a bad thing, but when the focus of a program is not centered on winning, like the big-time programs are, then you are not going to win national championships in football in the BCS era. Just my two-bits.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

mountainman56 said

"As I said, the losses to San Jose were in the 40's and 50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare records of BYU vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How about BIG 12? For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in all three so I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against SJSU from 60-70 years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's record vs. San Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but I'm going to bet it's nothing to write home about."

Mountainman rather than look all that up of who played who. Will you just look up what Y's record is against the U all time and post it for us? While your at it can you post what it has been say the last 10 years?.....thanks

Solomon Levi
Alpine, UT

2B

If Utah had actually accomplished something on a national scale during Utah's first 40 years of dominance, Utah's record versus BYU might actually be meaningful. Unfortunately for U, Utah's first year of actually accomplishing something on a national scale, was the end of Utah's reign of domination.

1964 - Utah wins its first WAC championship and finishes in the Top 25 for the first time, unranked AP/#14 Coaches

1965 - BYU beats Utah and wins its first WAC championship

1977 BYU #20/#16 - BYU cracks the Top 25 in both polls, something Utah has never done
1979 BYU #13/#12
1980 BYU #12/#12
1981 BYU #13/#11
1983 BYU #7/#7
1984 BYU #1/#1; BYU wins National Championship
1985 BYU #16/#17
1989 BYU #22/#18
1990 BYU #22/#17; Ty Detmer wins Heisman Trophy
1991 BYU #23/#23
1994 BYU #18/#10; Utah #10/#8; Utah finishes in the Top 25 in both polls for the first time
1995 Utah wins its 2nd WAC championship
1996 BYU #5/#5; BYU wins its NINETEENTH WAC championship

Top 25 Finishes
BYU 12 (both polls)
Utah 2 (ONE, both polls)

Proud Ute
,

@Solomon

Rather than listing a dusty old resume that doesn't mean anything to anybody but other old cougars stuck in the past here's a more relevent term you should get familiar with.
Jump the shark: a term to describe a moment when somethin that was once great has reached a point where it will now decline in quality and popularity.
That moment was when your "legacy" program announced it's independence because nobody wanted to put up with you.

JNA
Layton, UT

You can spin it in any way you want, but independence and the WCC is and will continue to be the complete disaster. The schedules are rediculous and embarrassing. As a lifelong BYU fan, this is so disappointing, but Holmoe and the administration of BYU are first and foremost political animals so what would you expect them to stay? They are NEVER going to admit the truth.

2BCSWINS
West of I15, UT

Levi

Can you please post for us the most top 5 finishes, BCS bowl apperances, BCS bowl wins and undefeated seasons that happened recentley? Say the last 10 years would be recent enough. Maybe include who has sent more players to the NFL also....thanks

Anybody can make a list to make their team look better by only including what makes their team look good. Y fans are known for making these lists that will leave out anything that will make the U look better. When the Y was better I at least gave them credit for being the better program. When the U is the better program recently however Y fans still can't take of the blue stained glasses long enough to give credit where credit is due.

To say the Y was the better program in the last decade over the U. Is about like saying Nevada was a better program then Boise St. over the last 10 years.

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