Didn't we read this same article a couple of times already? This seems like
a repeat from a week or two ago. If the Cougars are happy with their
independence, then good for them. Next topic please.
Here we go again! Another "BYU is happy with Independence and WCC
affiliation" article. Must be another slow day in the sports department.
gdog and bleed, did you notice this was a BYU Sports article? I would suggest
you limit your reading to articles about teams you like. Then you won't
have wasted your time reading and commenting!
I am trying to be fair. How does this article show that BYU is happy with
independence???? Most of the sports with any ranking were in some kind of
conference but not with a high national ranking. Why does it seem for years the
football team will keep saying we started off slow and lost the first few games
but really got it together and won our last seven. Maybe the schedule??? Also
how many times will Bronco and D-News keep bringing up how great independence is
and POTENTIAL media viewers are is why you should go to BYU? An old saying:
"If you say it enough times, you will begin to believe it".
Cougar Athletics seemed to be way down last year. Hopefully they can tun the
Thanks for the report, Jeff. Good to see people still care to read everything
There is a purpose for the plethora of redundant articles like this that the
DNews publishes.. I have many friends that a lifelong BYu fans that are
extremely disappointed with independence and fear that Y football may disappear
within a fews years. Which, I believe is inevitable. Scheduling for BYu may
become even MORE difficult and the current entertainment value provided by lowly
WAC squads and lower tier Big SKy teams leaves many unhappy Y fans.This blatant propaganda will continue for sure. I'm enjoying
it........pretty funny actually.
Recycling is good for paper but not for newspapers.
If they media would stop asking clown questions, then you wouldn't continue
to get these redundant responses. BYU is fine. Utah is fine. Move on.
Haha. I thought the Big 12 was a certainty. Oh BYU. BYU. You are so cute.
I'm not very happy in November.Schedule us some "dog
I agree. These articles are getting kind of old. Not every Cougar is
happy about it. Although I would admit we are better off now than we were with
the MWC.Please DN, let's just move on.
BYU Sports overall are in alot better position than Utah. BYU wins about 65% of
the olympic sports titles (Conference and Tournament) in every conference they
have been associated with (WAC, MWC, etc.) and have picked up a couple of
National Championships in Rugby, Mens volleyball and Cross Country. Utah has
done well in Football recently, but that is the only consistent success they
have had in years. Now college Football has a playoff system - Utahs switch to
the PAC 12 is more and more irrelevant. It speaks volumes to read the article in
todays paper on the State of Utah Blue Chip recruits and how many are going to
BYU in all sports! Utah - you really are still a commuter school that is always
trying to compare yourself to BYU!
RE: Utah-Hawaii Alum"...lifelong BYu fans that are extremely
disappointed with independence and fear that Y football may disappear within a
fews years"Thanks for the laugh. I've never heard from
anyone besides the few BYU trolls that frequent these boards that believe there
is any chance BYU will drop football at any point in the future. BYU fans are
grateful to have such a consistent program that regularly produces ranked teams,
plays all over the country, and now has even more freedom (via independence) in
scheduling great teams. True that most BYU fans would take the
BIG12 over independence (but still prefer indy to MWC). True that articles like
these are getting old. But not as old as haters who have to read and comment
on everything BYU. Go Cougs!
Way to go Clue Bay- Spending a whole paragraph comparing Y to U sports and then
stating that the U is always trying to compare themselves. Even more humorous is
your use of olympic sports and statistics that are made up but fit your point.
By the way 2 of the 3 teams you use are clubs, not official Y sports teams.
Oh- and by the way Clue Bay... with the playoff system Utah's swith to the
PAC-12 is irrelevant. Please tell me how you came to that conclusion. Pretty
sure that one of the 4 teams will come from the PAC-12 after playing
consistently meaningful games... for sure not an independent team that played
maybe 3 valid games. Even if the y went undefeated they don't have the
strength of schedule nor a conference championship possibility.
When the D-News prints a bi-monthly story of the success/happiness about
independence, it makes you feel like BYU and the D-News are just trying to
convince themselves that they are happy.If they are serious, BYU
should try to join the Big 12. If they can't get that, possibly join the
Big East. Otherwise, they better go crawling back to the MWC. Independence has
no future if BYU wants to have respect on the national stage. I personally
don't think they want to play for rankings or national respect. I think
they are happy playing a few good games, a lot of green-light games and earn a
lot of coin while having their own broadcast rights. That's fine, I guess,
but I think many season ticket holders may decide to stay at home if this
continues.I'll close with Sheryl Crow, "If it makes you
happy, it can't be that bad. If it makes you happy, then why the heck
(clean version) are you so sad." Have a great Sunday everybody!
Happy with WCC affiliation?Say it often enough and Cougar Nation
might start to believe it.
Irony: People complaining that BYU articles are a waste of time by taking the
time to comment on each BYU article after "wasting their time" reading
them.Good year for BYU athletics. Hoping for a great year in 2012-13
These 'happy' articles aren't helping us get inti the Big 12.
Most of us aren't all that happy!
@Utah-Hawaii Alum"There is a purpose for the plethora of redundant
articles like this that the DNews publishes."And what is the
purpose for the plethera of redundant comments like yours that the DNews
publishes? If U don't like reading the articles, don't read them.
It's a free country. I'm pretty sure nobody is forcing you to read
them. I read 6 - 10 Ute articles per year. I don't think U, nor a few of
your friends, miss a single article.I'm not sure the title of
this article matched the content, but I really enjoyed reading how all of the
sports did in their new conference. Other than football and men's
basketball, I don't follow all the other sports closely enough to know how
we did.I think the WCC is proving to be a tougher challenge in all
sports than the MWC. Men's basketball seams to be on par with the MWC.
But given the choice between traveling to see a Coug basketball game in San
Diego, Malibu, Portland or San Francisco versus Laramie or Albuquerque -
it's a pretty easy choice.
@ TJWith that kind of blind optimism, you must be a Cubs fan too.The longer someone repeats something; its obvious the person they trying
hardest to convince is themselves.
What, no indoor plumbing? I totally over-looked the fact that you folks up on
the hill still had one-holers!
If you write it enough, it must be true.
Independance.......... pfft, like they had a choice in it.
utah football will consistently be a mid to bottom dweller in the conference of
champions. but hey, at least they're in a good conference. their round ball
team will be a warm-up game for the entire conference - would certainly be at
the bottom of the WCC. i guess their women's gymnastics will do ok.
@ Proud Ute,The very second that Tom Holmoe knew that the U was
accepted by the PAC, he called every conference in the country hoping someone
would throw him a bone. The PAC and the Big 12 never called him back one time,
even to this day. BYu blew it with the Big East as we all found out. The BYu
football program will be gone after ESPN dumps them while they try to rebuild in
2013-14. BYU's tv ratings are absolutely horrible, to say the least.
Please BYU fans.........quit thinking about the Big 12. That will never happen
for BYu. Heck, the Big 12 told FSU and Clemson they are NOT expanding three
weeks ago after they contacted the Big 12 officials.. BYU has NEVER been
considered, nor will EVER be invited to the Big 12, or has ever spoken to them
one time. BYu is indy for many many reasons.
Bottom line is it doesnt really matter which conference or if your even
affliated with a conference, what matters is winning. You win and fans will be
happy and the nation will take notice. BYU wins alot of games consistantly year
in and year out. And for you utah trolls who continue to obsess and comment on
about everything BYU... Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their name but do
you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win consistantly? Not one
bit sorry they really dont care and right now utah is a middle of the pack
mediocre PAC- 12 team in football and a bottom feeder in Basketball. Your all
miserable thats why you spend your days on here waiting for BYU articles to
comment on, you havent moved on and never will and its quite comical actually.
I love the DNews! They always deliver!
CougarOnTheProwlMurray, UTBottom line is it doesnt really matter
which conference or if your even affliated with a conference, what matters is
winning. You win and fans will be happy and the nation will take notice. BYU
wins alot of games consistantly year in and year out. And for you utah trolls
who continue to obsess and comment on about everything BYU... Utah may have that
PAC 12 logo next to their name but do you really think the nation is gonna care
if they dont win consistantly? Not one bit sorry they really dont care and right
now utah is a middle of the pack mediocre PAC- 12 team in football and a bottom
feeder in Basketball. Your all miserable thats why you spend your days on here
waiting for BYU articles to comment on, you havent moved on and never will and
its quite comical actually.______That's right. What
matters is winning.San Jose St. is 9-6 overall against BYU. The Spartans
WACPaddledIt's laughable that a Utah troll would spend so much
time obsessing about a conference that the Utes were such a non-factor in - 2
conference championships in 36 years.Weren't U destroyed in
your last meeting against a WAC team?You really should give a little
more respect to a conference that you spent so much time as a bottom dweller in.
Of course, you're still a bottom-dweller in the PAC 12, so not much has
changed.______Regardless of conference affiliation, what
matters most is winning!BYU 10-3 Top 25, Utah 8-5 UNRANKEDSLC YMCA 6-1 overall against Utah. The Village People own U!Despite all of your hollow promises that U have moved on, our little brothers
are still totally obsessed with their big brother, BYU.
I'm not happy with the Indie thing - I'd rather be a bottom-feeder in
the Pac-12 like Utah.
BYU sports seems to have little interest except among the trolls.
Went to a meeting at LES the other day and we got to talk to Bronco and Riley
one on one. Bronco let us know that one conference told them that as long as
BYU was associated with the LDS faith, they would never consider us for
membership. I can only guess that would have been the Pac-12. He also let us
know that another conference would not budge on the No Sunday play scenario. I
can only guess that was the Big-12. So in my mind, independance is the only way
to go where BYU isn't required to compromise it's principles. We have
a great schedule coming this year and better ones in the future. I don't
see the problem. U fans can rail all they want but it seems like hollow
tinkering to me. Both schools are positioned well for the future. Now
it's up to both of them to win.
WACPaddledIn a more relevant head-to-head comparison, especially for
UWashington is 4-4 versus BYU; 7-0 versus UtahThe
Huskies own U.The Utes are also 6-17 versus ASU, 24-31 versus
Colorado, 8-18 versus Oregon, 6-9-1 versus OSU, 2-8 versus UCLA, 2-3 versus
Stanford, 3-5 versus California, and 3-7 versus USCIn fact, the ONLY
PAC 12 teams that the Utes have a winning record against are Arizona 20-15-2 and
WSU 6-5.The Utes will fit in very well as conference bottom feeders.
WACPADYou seem pretty happy with yourself for digging up the 9-6
record San Jose St. has vs BYU since this is about the 10th time you've
mentioned it in your recent rantings about BYU. Just so everyone else can
understand the relevance of that statistic, BYU has played San Jose St. 3 times
since 1969 - all wins. The last time BYU lost to SJSU was in 1968 and the other
8 losses came between 1946 and 1961. U all constantly berate BYU for bringing
up the ancient history of the 1984 national championship and yet here you are
trying to prove something about a record that came about in the 40's and
50's. Nice job!
Mountainman56Alpine, UTWACPADYou seem pretty happy with
yourself for digging up the 9-6 record San Jose St. has vs BYU since this is
about the 10th time you've mentioned it in your recent rantings about BYU.
Just so everyone else can understand the relevance of that statistic, BYU has
played San Jose St. 3 times since 1969 - all wins. The last time BYU lost to
SJSU was in 1968 and the other 8 losses came between 1946 and 1961. U all
constantly berate BYU for bringing up the ancient history of the 1984 national
championship and yet here you are trying to prove something about a record that
came about in the 40's and 50's. Nice job!_______Thank you!Only following the example set by BYU fans like
Perhaps it would be in the best interest of BYU to find a home.There is a
lot of talk down here what the new football playoff will do to smaller programs
like N. Texas, E. Washington, Youngstown St etc. If two schools are 11-1 at the
end of the season (Ohio St & Texas for example), what will be the
tiebreaker? Its a different system now. Power conference schools will now look
to improve their OOC scheduling. Well where are you going to invest your money?
You want more attention by playing better schools.Unfortunately this
could mean some schools drop football all together. I think that would be a
bummer.This would also mean some of BYUs potential opponents as an
independent might no longer exist in the future. It would be up to power
conference schools to fill up your schedule. Do you really like your chances
over the next 10+ years as an independent? I and others say that odds are
against you. Go join a conference to remain relevant. Otherwise you might be
deciding what will happen to your football program as well.
As long as Notre Dame is Independent, there will always be an opportunity for
other teams to be independent.With the BCS going bust, and AQ status
is history - Navy will rethink their move to the Big Easy and go back to Indy
status.Neither Boise State nor their fans will tolerate playing
teams on the opposide side of the continent for very long.With the
new playoff system in place, I look for another wave of conference realigment as
schools and conferences position themselves to follow the money.
Beg to differ...I wanted BYU to go into the PAC for years - only conference that
made sense in terms of big media centers in or near our time zone with large LDS
populations (talk about "exposure"). Independence only makes sense if it
means raising our hands to say we're serious about going somewhere else.
Not an end in itself. Now I'm completely confused as we've passed on
both the BIG 12 and BIG East (OK unsettled conferences but still a better
grouping of better programs). I don't get where we're
going or why, and we continue to play with the same tired old Utah boy players
and coaches with "almost made it" season results for both football and
basketball. The rest of the world (including our competitors Utah, TCU and BSU)
seem to have moved up and on. Not BYU. Rose and Bronco should both be
ashamed.This is not acceptable...
Being happy about BYU's present position is a "just glad to be
here" position. If they want to be respected and be considered one of the
best among the best, BYU needs to stop screwing around and join the BIG 12
before it is to late. Four, maybe five major conferences and the BCS are jointly
moving towards a major conference national championship playoff, and BYU needs
to stop writing these claims of being happy about being on the outside looking
in and start facing reality. The train is leaving the station even if BYU
isn't on it. The BYU brand suffers every year that it is not a member of
one of the major conferences. Being on TV does not make you great and can expose
the fact that half of your schedule is made up of inferior teams. No one wants
to watch Notre Dame play San Jose State or Idaho State anymore than BYU fans
want to watch give away games like that. Join the Big 12 before you lose your
...As for the alleged excuse that the PAC 12 openly discriminated against BYU
for its LDS affiliation and the BIG 12 for our no Sunday play, both acts are
illegal and in any event irrelevant. If we won some BCS games like our brothers
TCU, BSU and Utah and even got into a January bowl game like Hawaii, Rutgers and
a few others, we wouldn't have to beg. Win games and doors will open. Stop
this inane inferiority/persecution complex!!
WACPADWhat I explained to you is an example of being hypocritical
and in case you're not sure what that means, it's not a good thing.
WACPaddledNational Championships - always relevant; they're
part of college football history - see National College Football Hall of
Fame.head-to-head records from a bygone era, totally irrelevant,
whether they occurred mostly during the 20's, 30's, 40's or
50's, like BYU versus San Jose State, or BYU versus Utah, or in the early
1900's like Utah versus SLC YMCA - see back pages of team media guides.Someday, IF Utah ever wins a national championship, Utah fans will
finally understand the difference.
CougFaninTX said:"As long as Notre Dame is Independent, there
will always be an opportunity for other teams to be independent.With
the BCS going bust, and AQ status is history - Navy will rethink their move to
the Big Easy and go back to Indy status.Neither Boise State nor
their fans will tolerate playing teams on the opposide side of the continent for
very long.With the new playoff system in place, I look for another
wave of conference realigment as schools and conferences position themselves to
follow the money."So now you are saying that BYU can't
stand on its own!Thanks for admitting what we already know. BYU is riding
the coat tail of Notre Dame in an attempt to be successful.In addition,
the new playoff system is in place for 12 years. Who knows what will happen
Mountainman56 said:"WACPADWhat I explained to you is
an example of being hypocritical and in case you're not sure what that
means, it's not a good thing."You can't be serious?
BYU fans wrote the book on posting every single meaningless stat that nobody
cares about. Well other than BYU fans.
EastCoastCoug,Those are the words straight from Bronco's mouth.
I wasn't the only one there either as the meeting was for many of
BYU's donors. Those are exactly the reasons given for not allowing BYU
into those two respective conferences. There are many on here who think they
know something about the reasons BYU is independant. I have it from the the
only true source. Frankly, Holmoe and Bronco are tired of all of the blather
that go on here. BYU did not get invited to the PAC because of it's
affiliations. Prop 8 only sealed the fate and allowed the psuedo-intellectual
powers that be who run the other institutions more latitude in excluding BYU. I
really don't want to be in the same conference as the Peoples Republic of
Berkeley. BYU football isn't going away. We just have a tougher hill to
CougarOnTheProwl:"Utah may have that PAC 12 logo next to their
name but do you really think the nation is gonna care if they dont win
consistantly?"Nope. We don't think that. But neither do
we think the nation is gonna care if the Indy-WACers DO win consistently,
because their SOS is weak. At least WE can control our own destiny. You
NIGHTOWL1) If nobody cares about the statistics that BYU fans post
other than BYU fans, why are you and countless others constantly on here trying
to disprove the validity or the relevance of those statistics? 2)
Didn't your mother ever teach you that just because everybody's doing
it, it doesn't make it right? The justification you're using for
WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from the 40's and 50's is well,
uh you guys did it first. That's always a good argument!
@Coach Biff,If Bronco's blaming our lack of a decent invite on
bigotry, than he's more pathetic than I imagined: making excuses for his
poor coaching. Given the other comment on Cal, you seem to have bought into the
whole conspiracy argument. We just need to man up and win some games. We have
failed to improve our level of play in the 40 years I've watched. At least
once in a while, it would be nice to see us put together a season like Boise
State, TCU, Utah have done at least twice in the past 5 years. Then if we
aren't invited to a BCS bowl or a top tier conference, we have REAL grounds
Mountainman56 said:"NIGHTOWL1) If nobody cares about
the statistics that BYU fans post other than BYU fans, why are you and countless
others constantly on here trying to disprove the validity or the relevance of
those statistics? 2) Didn't your mother ever teach you that
just because everybody's doing it, it doesn't make it right? The
justification you're using for WACPAD quoting meaningless statistics from
the 40's and 50's is well, uh you guys did it first. That's
always a good argument!"LOL! BYU is 6-9 against San
Jose St. Not a PAC, BIG 12 or SEC team. A WAC team!You are the one trying
to disprove the validity of relevant facts.Get over it!
NIGHTOWLAs I said, the losses to San Jose were in the 40's and
50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare records of BYU
vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How about BIG 12?
For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in all three so
I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against SJSU from 60-70
years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's record vs. San
Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but I'm going to
bet it's nothing to write home about.
Eastcoastcoug:I agree that BYU needs to have some runs like TCU, BSU
and Utah to get invited to a BCS. However, even if that happened, the PAC 12
wouldn't let us in. I have heard from more than one source that a few
university presidents are still bitter about Prop-8. That won't change. But
I think if we would have beaten Texas last year, we'd be talking with the
Big-12. Did BYU make a mistake by turning down the Big East? I don't think
so (and I am in the join-a-conference camp) but time will tell. Boise State
might have been a good partner with whom to join that conference.
@eastcoastcoug part 2In the end, your hopes and mine for BYU football may
just be a pipe dream. BYU Board of Directors (aka The Brethren) and President
Samuelson are pretty much calling the shots here. They really don't care so
much about National Championship in Football as much as "selling the
brand". They love Bronco because the program is cleaner under his
stewardship and because he views his position of Head Coach as a Church calling.
Bronco is not a bad coach, but he's not a great coach either.
Bronco's primary emphasis is character and spiritual development of his
players, and the Board of Directors love that. I am not saying that is a bad
thing, but when the focus of a program is not centered on winning, like the
big-time programs are, then you are not going to win national championships in
football in the BCS era. Just my two-bits.
mountainman56 said"As I said, the losses to San Jose were in the
40's and 50's - definitely not relevant. Would you like to compare
records of BYU vs. PAC 12 teams against Utah's record against them? How
about BIG 12? For that matter, how about WAC teams? Utah would come up short in
all three so I'm glad you get some joy out of BYU's record against
SJSU from 60-70 years ago. And just for the heck of it, what's Utah's
record vs. San Jose? I have no idea nor do I care enough to research it but
I'm going to bet it's nothing to write home about."Mountainman rather than look all that up of who played who. Will you just look
up what Y's record is against the U all time and post it for us? While your
at it can you post what it has been say the last 10 years?.....thanks
2BIf Utah had actually accomplished something on a national scale
during Utah's first 40 years of dominance, Utah's record versus BYU
might actually be meaningful. Unfortunately for U, Utah's first year of
actually accomplishing something on a national scale, was the end of Utah's
reign of domination.1964 - Utah wins its first WAC championship and
finishes in the Top 25 for the first time, unranked AP/#14 Coaches1965 - BYU beats Utah and wins its first WAC championship1977 BYU
#20/#16 - BYU cracks the Top 25 in both polls, something Utah has never done1979 BYU #13/#121980 BYU #12/#121981 BYU #13/#111983 BYU
#7/#71984 BYU #1/#1; BYU wins National Championship1985 BYU
#16/#171989 BYU #22/#181990 BYU #22/#17; Ty Detmer wins Heisman
Trophy1991 BYU #23/#231994 BYU #18/#10; Utah #10/#8; Utah finishes
in the Top 25 in both polls for the first time1995 Utah wins its 2nd WAC
championship1996 BYU #5/#5; BYU wins its NINETEENTH WAC championshipTop 25 FinishesBYU 12 (both polls)Utah 2 (ONE, both polls)
@SolomonRather than listing a dusty old resume that doesn't
mean anything to anybody but other old cougars stuck in the past here's a
more relevent term you should get familiar with. Jump the shark: a term
to describe a moment when somethin that was once great has reached a point where
it will now decline in quality and popularity. That moment was when
your "legacy" program announced it's independence because nobody
wanted to put up with you.
You can spin it in any way you want, but independence and the WCC is and will
continue to be the complete disaster. The schedules are rediculous and
embarrassing. As a lifelong BYU fan, this is so disappointing, but Holmoe and
the administration of BYU are first and foremost political animals so what would
you expect them to stay? They are NEVER going to admit the truth.
LeviCan you please post for us the most top 5 finishes, BCS bowl
apperances, BCS bowl wins and undefeated seasons that happened recentley? Say
the last 10 years would be recent enough. Maybe include who has sent more
players to the NFL also....thanksAnybody can make a list to make
their team look better by only including what makes their team look good. Y fans
are known for making these lists that will leave out anything that will make the
U look better. When the Y was better I at least gave them credit for being the
better program. When the U is the better program recently however Y fans still
can't take of the blue stained glasses long enough to give credit where
credit is due.To say the Y was the better program in the last decade
over the U. Is about like saying Nevada was a better program then Boise St. over
the last 10 years.
idablue:"I have heard from more than one source that a few
university presidents are still bitter about Prop-8."Nope. The
Prop-8 issue was THIS century. The cougars hadn't been wanted extending
all the way back to the LAST century.
Trite. Quite trite.
2BYour bcs obsession has blinded you to the overall picture.Bronco/Kyle eraTop 25 FinishesBronco 5Kyle 3Top 15 FinishesBronco 3Kyle 1Conference
ChampionshipsBronco 2Kyle 110+ Win SeasonsBronco
5Kyle 3Losses to 10-loss TeamsBronco 0Kyle 2Overall RecordBronco 66-24Kyle 65-25Kyle had ONE
great season in 2008, but overall, Bronco has outperformed Kyle; the overall
record speaks for itself - BYU has been the better program during the
Bronco/Kyle era.btw, if Top 25 finishes are such "mediocre"
accomplishments, why has Utah only managed SEVEN Top 25 finishes in their ENTIRE
HISTORY?Bronco has almost that many Top 25 finishes in his first
seven years as BYU's head coach.
Levi, You just can't seem to get those blue goggles off can you?Your "stats" from the wayback machine have been reported many times by
many other cougars but here it is 2012 and your Coach and AD are playing the
media to get games with the Utes in order to stay relevent, locally with
recruits and on the national scene. That my friend, is the "overall
picture" you're missing.
The WCC is the ideal home for BYU; high academic standards, faith based
environment. Winning is a by-product of their standards, not the prime object.
Other conferences are adopting the SEC as their model; exploit athletes at the
expense of institutional integrity.
Levi LOL thank you for proving my point. Why do you list top 25 finishes and top
15 finishes but stop there? Why don't you list say top 10 and top 5
finishes also? It wouldnt be becasue the Y would show 0 would it? Why
didn't you list head to head? Why didnt you list records against BCS teams?
Why didnt you list wins against teams with 10 wins and instead just losses
against 10 loss teams? Again anybody can make a list to make their
team look better by selecting only stats they choose. If you look at the overall
picture in the last 10 years 2BCS wins and 2 undefeated seasons far out
way's anything the Y has done my friend. Ask anybody that is not a Y fan
and they would give you that same answer. I'm sure you think the Y has been
better than TCU the last 10 years also, right?
4601 said:"The WCC is the ideal home for BYU; high academic
standards, faith based environment. Winning is a by-product of their standards,
not the prime object. Other conferences are adopting the SEC as their model;
exploit athletes at the expense of institutional integrity."Whatever.If that was true. The PAC 12 would have thrown its standards
out the door for Texas, OK & OK St. to join.
My goodness yes - why wouldn't the Y be happy with the WCC conference and
Independence in football. First fans get to see power house football teams come
to Provo like Idaho and Weber State. Wow - got to love those big time teams
coming to town. The Armed Forces bowl - well geez everyone knows that this is
one of the premier bowl games in the country along with the Humanitarian Bowl in
Boise. As for basketball - what a thrill it is for the Y to go on the road in
the WCC and play in front of 4000 fans!!! Yes BYU has sure hit the big time with
the WCC and Independence. BCS here we come!!!
I know for a fact any BYU fan would be doing hand stands if the Y dumped the WCC
and independence and got an invite to the Big12. Be real people. Getting to play
Texas and OU in Provo instead of Idaho and Weber St??? You decide.