Unbelievable. How long will this non-sense last? Let the kids play ball
and let the coaches coach.
This is a ridiculous policy. The head coach should be able to choose his own
coaches as long as they are good with the kids, represent the community and
school in a positive way and pass any background tests any other employee would
have to go through.
This is Great news.
I look forward to the Legislature's response when the State Office of
Education asks for more money. Granite must have a large reserve of cash.
Granite Schhool District worries about things like this, yet continues to
provide sub-par education to its students.
Mr. Cate is a successful business person who could have, like many others with
his wealth do, kept his money to himself. Instead, he chose to share it with the
community and, unfortunately, he is being lumped in with the few who are
'bad apples' and Granite school district officials are cutting off
their nose to spite their face.
This means all teachers who bring supplies and donate extra time to a school
program will need to account for all of it and the monetary value to stay under
the limit.Unintended consequences - will lead to firing a number of
teachers as many exceed this dollar amount ever year due to inadequate funding
for their classrooms.Apply it to athletics but be fair about it and be
ready and willing to fire excellent teachers who personally make up the
financial shortfall taxpayers and administrators force on them.
The coaches, admin and AD have been Under Cates spell for many years now. No
decisions regarding the football and baseball program could be made without
being cleared by Cates. This is a great decision by the district and I hope
more follow their example.
So what is Cate going to do with all that field turf?
I'm afraid no matter which side of the Cate's situation you sit on
Dektol has brought up a valid oversight. This is a district policy and as
explained in the article it doesn't limit itself to donations to athletics.
Under this policy teachers, many of whom pay for needed school supplies out of
their own pockets will have to stay under the $499/year or they will be forced
to quit or be fired. Granite better amend this policy quick or they will lose
good teachers too.
So why did he have to remove all of the stuff he paid for over the years? I
can't seem to understand that. So the provision is retroactive? seems
strange to me and there is definitely more going on here.
This is a funny situation. Most Utahn's endorse Mitt Romney for President,
yet he's a rich guy trying to buy and pedal influence his way into the
White House. We're okay with that, but when it happens in HS sports
it's bad and evil? Go figure! We care more about HS sports than how our
country is to be governed.I think any individual who if fortunate
enough to make large donations to a HS program should be allowed. Whether they
have too much "influence" is up to the other people involved. If those
people are "weak" that's not the donor's fault... that is
theirs.I'd love to have a person like Cate donating to the
programs at my kids school. From what I've seen and heard his brought
great success to Cottonwoods programs. This sounds like some jealous people
being overwhelmed by a successful, charitable donor.
This is idiotic. Let me get this straight.Schools have
so much money they are turning down donations of CASH and time? Roger, got that. Makes perfect sense.
Isn't it still possible for Mr. Cate to contribute to the high school and
"help the kids"? He just can't coach there.
Scott Cate changed high school football in this state. It is now pay to play
pretty much everywhere. I'm sure the UHSAA is very happy with this ruling.
The transfer of individuals (for athletics) was not a real big deal until Mr
Cate came into the picture a dcade or so ago. It would be interesting to see
out of the 22 starters on this years football team actually live in the
Another school district being absolutely ridiculous. We have to watch the
Canyons District make ridiculous policies and give it's superintendent a
big raise and a bonus when things are being cut. Now Granite turns away money
and equipment and will then go out and spend money to replace the equipment.
Bureaucrats are just that. Whoever yells in their ear the loudest or threatens
lawsuits gets their way. This is a huge loss for Cottonwood. What a shame.
One day maybe our administrators will stop caving in and stand up
for what's right. Maybe instead of making hard, sweeping rules every time
something happens (like banning lei's at graduation because someone did
something inappropriate once) they can act with reason. Teach, train, adjust.
It's unconscionable to continue to have government entities intrude like
this and take away opportunities. Let's force everyone to be the same,
give everyone participation trophies and continue to remove incentives to excel.
Granite school district, and Cottonwood High are only covering their butts. With
what was discovered at Timpview, and the decade long policy of,
"catewood"..... The school and the district needed to act! If Cate is so generous with his money, then Cottonwood should get his donation
to at least keep up the facilities at the school....if his heart is not in the
right place, the he will cut ties and let them go to waste..... I
just hope he true to his word, and he "was" in football for the kids.
And will continue to support the programs at Cottonwood.....but I don't
think he will!!!
Ironically two of the big powerhouse schools for football are being brought
down. Will Cottonwood be a school where D-1 talent will flock to in the next
couple of years. Will D-1 coaches find their way to Cottonwood in a few years.
Many complain why BYU, UTAH, and USU don't recruit enough local
talent. If I was a college coach I would be looking elsewhere. In some group
associations, they've got your back; in other groups, you've got to
watch your back. In Texas, California, and other big football
states- hundreds of thousands are spent to teach and train those kids. I mainly
hope to see Cottonwood stay as a powerhouse. Good luck to Croshaw. This isn't just about football, it's about education and increasing
credibility to the state
Wow.... SO much mis-information in these comments1) Parents moving
their kids to a different school for better circumstances is as old as the
hills. It's ALWAYS been done. Olympus has always lead the list of kids
transferring; for their MUSIC department! not for any sports team. But no one
complains about that, do they?2) The beautiful new turf field, 3
story pressbox, Meeting rooms, Baseball training building, improvements to the
Baseball field, etc. etc. etc. that Cate bought are ALL staying. But for some
reason the District TOLD him to remove everything he had bought that could be
"picked up". This included, but was not limited to, all the furniture in
the press box and meeting rooms, the HUGE computer system where all the film on
players and teams were stored (used in making highlight tapes for recruitment),
the uniforms, helmets, pads, balls, sideline markers, etc. and everything in the
weightroom (which is being left temporarily until the District can arrange for
its replacement) 3) We should NEVER believe a school District NEEDS
money if it has equipment pulled just because someone else paid for it, and then
are buying all NEW equipment to replace it.
This is a tough one. It sounds like Cate had the right intentions. But at the
same time it is unfair to the rest of high school football to have all that
money going to one school. I am sure they had kids wanting to play their with
great facilites who wouldn't want to play there. But to have him remove all
of the equipment is just dumb. Good luck crow.
re: SLCguy - if you are right, then the district is pathetic. What are they
trying to prove? So can people not give tons of money to a program? This is
stupid. I don't even like Cottonwood but it's stupid.
This is getting dumber by the minute...
People are surprised by this? what always happens when someone pours money into
a program like Cate?Control. Cate had too much control. Cate ended up
being the AD. at Cottonwood. Whose been picking and firing the coaches ?Cate. Cate put a lot of time and resources into Cottonwood, but it created
politics, yes men and nepotism.
Braxton, sounds like you were party to a lot of information at Cottonwood. Were
you in the administration, coach or player there?Would love to know your
I wish he's move over one school to Hillcrest my alma mater. They
aren't in Granite District. We've never had much of a football team,
but have always have a very good facility. It would be interesting to see what
would happen if he put the same time and energy into Hillcrests program. But I
doubt he's want to after the way he's been treated and i'm sure
that Canyons would do the same thing even if he was willing.
Once again a school district makes a terrible decision in regards to what is
best for the kids. Again, WHAT is best for the KIDS!Scott Cate has many
people who don't like that he would recruit kids to play at CW but many of
those kids are now playing college ball and getting an education they
wouldn't otherwise have gotten. Cate and CW is no worse than Jordan is
now, or Skyline used to be when they were winning and nobody seems to be up in
arms about that. Or at least the UHSAA isn't doing anything about it.Shame on the Granite school board, they just made a major mistake getting rid
of the one person who made CW relevant in football. They'll be back on the
bottom in no time.
Don't know Cate personally, but no doubt he created a long list of
political enemies in the district because of his influence. Envy and jealousy
are powerful motivations. To my way of thinking this situtation is very
different from Timpview, where booster money was unaccounted for. No allegation
of impropriety with Cate; he was just disliked by the wrong people.Seems incredibly short-sighted to chase away people willing to step up and
help our cash-strapped academic and athletic programs. By all means have rules
in place that restrict the use of the funds and make people accountable, but
this thing amounts to throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
No one "chased him away" fender. They simply told him he could not be a
coach and a major donor. He just had to take his pick. If he decides to be
neither then that is on him.I think it is pretty obvious what the
conflict of interest is here, when a guy has the ability to donate large sums of
money he gains a large amount of influence. That influence should not transfer
over to the athletic department in the form of making decisions on players,
positions, etc.Hopefully Cate will get over his bitterness and still
support the school but it doesn't sound like that is going to be the case.
In otherwords it sounds as if he wants the influence more than simply
"It's my religion. I built a church where kids could learn.""I took all of the influence out of high school sports."Little bit of an inflated sense of self in the great scheme of things,
In the bigger scheme of things, sports needs to reined in to its proper,
balanced position with the other goals of public education. Have you heard the
recent advertisements by the Utah High School Athletic Association (UHSAA)? It
claims that high school athletes do better in academics. Don't musicians
also do better? The Forensics Club? Chess players? Besides that,
there is a this thing about honoring the "rule of law." Yeah, as long
as it's the other person who has to obey. Schools routinely break the law
in their accounting procedures. They and their auditors know it. Now we know
it. But if you have money to donate...well, that's a different story. We
can't offend the donors.(To be fair, our legislators made the
rules so complex that it costs more to account for small funds than they are
worth.) Was Mr. Cate given the same background check and submit to
the same qualifying rigor as regular teachers? Was his character development
program approved by the State Office of Education? Did he have more influence
than regular classroom teachers, teaching his self-proclaimed football
"religion" to youth?Money talks.And under-funded
schools are vulnerable.