It's not harsh to sentence to death a juvenile offender to death for
deliberately killing another. It's not "cruel and unusual
punishment" to require life for life for reasons of justice and the
protection of society. The Supreme Court, so far as I know, is the court of
last appeal in the United States and not an extra-congressional legislative body
that can pass laws from the bench.
procuradorfiscalTooele, UTFear is the path to the dark
side...fear leads to anger..anger leads to hate..hate leads to suffering
@procuradorfiscalYou seem to have a coat, no one has taken from you.
Re: "Seniors are the least likely to be the victim of a violent crime; and
they are the most afraid that they will become the victim of a violent
crime."You seem a little cavalier about my safety. Don't
procuradorfiscalTooele, UTAnd, by the way, don't tell me
grandkids are safe with predatory strangers running loose, tell it to Sierra
Newbold's parents.horrible crimethere is not alot of
information yet on what happened, it is a bit premature to start making
judgement, we do not know yet who committed the crime. the greatest likelyhood
is that is was someone that she and her family knew.whoever it was should
suffer the most strict punishment.
procuradorfiscalTooele, UTSeniors are the least likely to be
the victim of a violent crime; and they are the most afraid that they will
become the victim of a violent crime.
Re: "We cannot have it both ways: we cannot say some children are adults
when it serves our purposes, then say they are not when it is
convenient."Where is that carved in stone? Sure we can, if it
makes sense to do so. And, in this case, it does.And, by the way,
don't tell me grandkids are safe with predatory strangers running loose,
tell it to Sierra Newbold's parents.
procuradorfiscalTooele, UTIf you are murdered; it is usually
someone you know that commits the crime. Putting strangers in prison;
does not necessarily make you safer, you just think you are.If we are
going to try children as adults; then we need to also treat them as adults in
all other ways: sign contracts, sexual consent, alcohol, tobacco ect...There are reasons that we delay the age of majority.
Children’s-teenagers brains are not fully developed, particularly in the
judgment areas of the brain.We cannot have it both ways: we cannot say
some children are adults when it serves our purposes, then say they are not when
it is convenient.
Re: "I am willing to give . . . [c]ompassion and . . . my coat, so to
speak."The problem with liberals is they never offer up their
coat, it's always mine they're so willing to give.Most of
us don't live in guarded, gated communities in Washington, DC or up on the
Springville Bench. We live where these kids will be turned loose under the
permissiv approach liberals espouse.I'm all for compassion, as
well, so long as I'm not required to offer up the lives of my grandkids to
give it. As mentioned above, let the Governor extend executive clemency to those
few youthful murderers who can show they're no longer a danger to
society.He should commute their remaining sentence and parole them
to a nice halfway house on the Springville Bench.That way,
we're all safe.
@ procuradorfiscal, I'll take "liberal crocodile tears" over
harshness and permanent irredeemability. I am willing to give people a chance
to fix their lives. A New Testament approach is better than an Old Testament
approach. But, hey, you are free to choose your philosophy? Me? Compassion
and giving my coat, so to speak.
Re: "Is someone who commits a certain crime 'irretrievably
depraved'?"Experience as defense counsel to several
youthful murderers leads me to say some, indeed, are.But depravity
is not the real issue -- it's the safety of society.Youthful
murderers demonstrate lack of human empathy to a degree [thankfully] found in
only a small percentage of humans.But, given that demonstrated
capacity, society is correct in locking that person away from the rest of us,
demanding he assume the burden of demonstrating our safety, prior to
consideration of release.The mechanism for that, even in
life-without-parole regimes is executive clemency.A careful system
pronounces life-without-parole as the presumptive sentence, even for youthful
thugs, placing the burden where it belongs -- on the thug. Some small percentage
may demonstrably turn their lives around, and if they prove it to a parole
board, should then -- and only then -- be considered for relief.Liberal crocodile tears for these young toughs are more related to advancing
an agenda than to actual concern, for either thugs, or us.
Harsh mandatory sentences are wrong even for adults. Let the courts decide on a
case by case basis.