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Published: Thursday, June 28 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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Esquire
Springville, UT

Harsh mandatory sentences are wrong even for adults. Let the courts decide on a case by case basis.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Is someone who commits a certain crime 'irretrievably depraved'?"

Experience as defense counsel to several youthful murderers leads me to say some, indeed, are.

But depravity is not the real issue -- it's the safety of society.

Youthful murderers demonstrate lack of human empathy to a degree [thankfully] found in only a small percentage of humans.

But, given that demonstrated capacity, society is correct in locking that person away from the rest of us, demanding he assume the burden of demonstrating our safety, prior to consideration of release.

The mechanism for that, even in life-without-parole regimes is executive clemency.

A careful system pronounces life-without-parole as the presumptive sentence, even for youthful thugs, placing the burden where it belongs -- on the thug. Some small percentage may demonstrably turn their lives around, and if they prove it to a parole board, should then -- and only then -- be considered for relief.

Liberal crocodile tears for these young toughs are more related to advancing an agenda than to actual concern, for either thugs, or us.

Esquire
Springville, UT

@ procuradorfiscal, I'll take "liberal crocodile tears" over harshness and permanent irredeemability. I am willing to give people a chance to fix their lives. A New Testament approach is better than an Old Testament approach. But, hey, you are free to choose your philosophy? Me? Compassion and giving my coat, so to speak.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "I am willing to give . . . [c]ompassion and . . . my coat, so to speak."

The problem with liberals is they never offer up their coat, it's always mine they're so willing to give.

Most of us don't live in guarded, gated communities in Washington, DC or up on the Springville Bench. We live where these kids will be turned loose under the permissiv approach liberals espouse.

I'm all for compassion, as well, so long as I'm not required to offer up the lives of my grandkids to give it. As mentioned above, let the Governor extend executive clemency to those few youthful murderers who can show they're no longer a danger to society.

He should commute their remaining sentence and parole them to a nice halfway house on the Springville Bench.

That way, we're all safe.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

If you are murdered; it is usually someone you know that commits the crime.
Putting strangers in prison; does not necessarily make you safer, you just think you are.
If we are going to try children as adults; then we need to also treat them as adults in all other ways: sign contracts, sexual consent, alcohol, tobacco ect...
There are reasons that we delay the age of majority. Children’s-teenagers brains are not fully developed, particularly in the judgment areas of the brain.
We cannot have it both ways: we cannot say some children are adults when it serves our purposes, then say they are not when it is convenient.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "We cannot have it both ways: we cannot say some children are adults when it serves our purposes, then say they are not when it is convenient."

Where is that carved in stone? Sure we can, if it makes sense to do so. And, in this case, it does.

And, by the way, don't tell me grandkids are safe with predatory strangers running loose, tell it to Sierra Newbold's parents.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Seniors are the least likely to be the victim of a violent crime; and they are the most afraid that they will become the victim of a violent crime.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

And, by the way, don't tell me grandkids are safe with predatory strangers running loose, tell it to Sierra Newbold's parents.

horrible crime
there is not alot of information yet on what happened, it is a bit premature to start making judgement, we do not know yet who committed the crime. the greatest likelyhood is that is was someone that she and her family knew.
whoever it was should suffer the most strict punishment.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: "Seniors are the least likely to be the victim of a violent crime; and they are the most afraid that they will become the victim of a violent crime."

You seem a little cavalier about my safety. Don't like seniors?

Midvaliean
MIDVALE, UT

@procuradorfiscal
You seem to have a coat, no one has taken from you.

VIDAR
Murray, UT

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Fear is the path to the dark side...fear leads to anger..anger leads to hate..hate leads to suffering

Gildas
LOGAN, UT

It's not harsh to sentence to death a juvenile offender to death for deliberately killing another. It's not "cruel and unusual punishment" to require life for life for reasons of justice and the protection of society. The Supreme Court, so far as I know, is the court of last appeal in the United States and not an extra-congressional legislative body that can pass laws from the bench.

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