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Published: Tuesday, June 26 2012 11:27 p.m. MDT

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watchman
Salt Lake City, UT

This news article tells the challenges for the young man but it demonstrates the hardships that can come about by not obeying the law. We can feel sorry for the situation this boy is in, and there are udoubtedly several others in similar situations, but these folks are not supposed to be in this country.

Other immigrants that go through the process, however lengthy, do not have these problems of being able to function as citizens and work legally.

There are good reasons for immigrations laws and those that break them should understand the consequences.

If life is so tough for them they should self-deport back to their home countries.

JayTee
Sandy, UT

Here we go again: There are people who came here without authorization who are hurting--NOT really news. How about all the people in all the third-world countries who would LIKE to come here, but want to do it legally and properly. Gee, I wonder if they're hurting, too. But since they're not here, maybe they don't matter? And how about the American citizen, taxpayer, and worker who's supposed to sacrifice and pay for it all; I wonder if they'll ever hurt, too. But don't we owe the entire third world whatever they really want? You tell me. Apparently many feel we do. On and on and on.

Mountanman
Hayden, ID

We can't educate everyone who comes here illegally! Even if they are willing to vote for Democrats who promoise them free everything!

emZ
Rexburg, ID

I support the DREAM act. We need to encourage our growing hispanic population to emphasize college education. We need to support the best and the brightest among immigrants and give a chance to those who were brought here illegally by there parents. . Most of all, we need to reform our immigration laws so that honest, hardworking people can come to our country and add competitiveness to our economy. Diversity is a good thing.

Brave Sir Robin
San Diego, CA

@emZ

"Most of all, we need to reform our immigration laws so that honest, hardworking people can come to our country and add competitiveness to our economy."

Honest, hardworking people already can come to our country...it's called LEGAL immigration. Those that come here illegally are - by definition - not honest.

I feel for the kids who were brought here illegally by their parents, but the idea of children paying for the sins of their parents is not new or unique to this situation, unfortunately.

9MM
Murray, UT

It is really difficult to change cultures and attitudes, so many people leave their oppressive cultures behind so they can have a better future for their children. And in the end they bring it with them - higher education is all about fighting ignorance. If your family doesn't think it is worth it because they are ignorant of it's benefits, then it doesn't matter how much money your family has - getting a college education will be difficult.
Also it is a real shame we can not come up with a solution to help all peoples that live here enjoy security in the privileges that should be available to all of America's residents.
As advanced as we think we are as a people, how could we have let so many of our neighbors become classless residents? Do we not believe that "All Men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness."
Do we believe these words or not?
Or are we just looking for another excuse for our own bad treatment of others?

DN Subscriber
Cottonwood Heights, UT

This story could have been written several ways. But, the Deseret News in its ongoing pro-amnesty campaign (in lieu of actual news reporting) chose to spin this to fit the agenda.

The more truthful telling would highlight the responsibilities of parents who chose to commit illegal acts, breaking our immigration laws to come here and choosing to remain here after children were born here instead of returning to their homeland to re-enter lawfully.

The parents' actions, not some evil racist dislike of Latinos, is the exclusive and direct cause of their children's current plight.

Instead of demanding that we change our laws and forgive decades of lawless actions, the moral of the story should be that irresponsible and selfish parents are harming their children and their future by choosing to commit illegal acts.

How about a counterpoint story sometime highlighting the struggles and accomplishments of LEGAL immigrants and THEIR children. Their choosing to follow the laws should be held up as the role model for all, not ignored so illegal actions can be excused.

I wish the immigrant children well, but their parents are the culprits, not U.S. laws or citizens.

Stop the amnesty campaign!

EJM
Herriman, UT

So what do we do about those young people who believe they are here legally, do everything we ask them to do , do well in school, etc...do we just tell them oh well? Come on now folks. They have succeeded. They have "played the game" by the rules, in fact better than many "natives" and are contributing members of our schools. Do we not find a way to help them?

Pete1215
Lafayette, IN

We are 15,800,000,000,000 dollars in debt, and aiming for 20 trillion. We need to keep undocumented (meaning illegal) immigrants out of the country.

Darrel
Eagle Mountain, UT

I find it interesting that whenever the DNews publishes a news story that reminds us that illegal immigrants are people with hopes, dreams, worries or calls for civility that people cry they are pro-illegal immigration. Please cite one news story that was in fact pro illegal immigration.

There are very few "pro illegal immigration" people. Most people that are labeled as such are people like me that simply want our laws to make sense, and work. It was easier for me to get a secret clearance in the military, than for my wife to get her permanent residency.

trueamerican
Huntsville, AL

Not another pro-illegal piece in the Deseret News. Is this the only topic the Deseret News deems newsworthy anymore? Good grief. OK. Hispanic peoples come here illegally and are criminals in that regard. The Hispanic illegals then have children. Lots of children that we as taxpayers are now supposed to support and educate. This has to stop. We simply cannot afford it. Just look at California as a role model for how this will play out. Learn from Stockton, CA. They obviously need more illegal aliens to spend good tax money on.

Dave D
Pocatello, ID

It saddens me to see such a lack of empathy from people who, I assume, believe that "all are alike unto God" (2 Nephi 26:33) and that civilizations deteriorate when society is divided by social classes and "chances for learning" (3 Nephi 6:12). Throughout the history of the Church, when a law has been unjust, we've broken it. To assume that we should receive better opportunities than our brothers and sisters around the world because of the geographical area in which we were born is arrogant and, in my mind, not indicative of the core teachings of Christ.

Invisible Hand
Provo, UT

@Pete1215: The debt is a good reason to find a way to bring these people out of the shadows. Instead of pushing them into an underground cash economy, how much money would the government take in if they were legal and subject to payroll taxes? As long as they are here and working and taking advantage of education and social services, let's encourage their entrepreneurial spirit and have them fully participate in the economy as taxpayers. These people didn't come because they are timid and lazy. They are mostly hard-working and ambitious. The country could use more of that.

Tekakaromatagi
Dammam, Saudi Arabia

There is a cultural paradox here which Maxican Latinos could benefit from. (Not the paradox about legal and illegal immigration).

Some families are reluctant to have the child travel away even though it is a step towards a better life and progress for the family. There are two paradoxes: 1) the parents or grandparents may have left Mexico to come north seeking a better life. That required courage for both the parents and for the family who stayed behind. The child is following the example set by the parents in leaving home to go to college. Let the child go.
The Aztecs, who were the cultural ancestors of Mexico, left the unknown land of Atitlan to travel to the valley of Mexico where they found Tenochtitlan, the predecessor of today's Mexico City. The son or daughter who goes to college is following in their footsteps.

Jazz Bass Man
Wellsville, Utah

To Tekakaromatagi: What would really require courage from mexicans is if they stayed in their home country and stood up to the drug cartels and their corrupt government to change things for the better in the country they love. Instead, they sneak over our border illegally, then pop out as many anchor baby children as they can. All so they can both stay in this country, and get free entitlements from our government that the babies are entitled to, such as free health care in the emergency room, free school, free WIC, and free welfare.

Where is the compassion for the citizens of other countries who are worse of than mexicans, who only wish they could come to the US and get the same benefits and freebies as the mexicans do, yet they don't have the luxury of hopping across a porous border?

Fitness Freak
Salt Lake City, UT

Yet ANOTHER obvious attempt by the DN to justify illegal behavior.

There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with current immigration laws except that they aren't enforced and people break them on a daily basis.

Should we eliminate ALL the laws that people break?

LEGAL citizens of the U.S. need to keep letting their elected representatives know that they respect laws and expect trespassers from other countries to do that also.

cjb
Bountiful, UT

Obama is correct in making it so children aren't held responsible for their parents actions. Given what Obama has
done these barriers should melt away anyway. Is this article even still true?

ouisc
Farmington, UT

We have turned away hundreds of boats packed full of potential immigrants from China and Cuba in the past few decades, as they were attempting to enter the U.S. illegally. Yet we are half-heartedly preventing illegal immigration from Mexico.

By even discussing the possibility of facilitating/enabling illegal immigrants, we are simply profiling our immigrants, and showing prejudiced bias for one culture over another. And now the Deseret News is depicting their own prejudice and exploiting the illegal challenges of one culture--and to really capture some heartstrings, the Deseret News usually profiles illegal children.

If only the Deseret News would truly be helpful, and help educate their readers of how to come through the front door. Help explain our immigration laws for those who have never cared to understand them. The laws really aren't that bad--I've hired a handful of non-citizens in my time, in situations I did not have the opportunity to hire a citizen.

ouisc
Farmington, UT

Do we forget how our education is paid for at public institutions? It's approximately 1/3rd tuition, 1/3rd taxes, and 1/3rd donations. So even if a kid does not have a scholarship to subsidize tuition, the kid still has 2/3rds paid for.

It is sad that some parents are willing to alienate their children to the extreme that so many illegal immigrants do, by sneaking them into another country. I've taken in wayward travelers for the night--fed them, given them a place to sleep--but it's unbelievable to think some wayward travelers have the intent to move on in, expecting my hospitality, especially when they have lied and cheated to come into my home in the first place.

mecr
Bountiful, UT

@ouisc: no cuban boats (if you can call them a boat) are turned away when reaching american soil. They are received as refugees.

signed: american cuban's niece.

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