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Presidents approve college football playoff; BCS to end in 2014

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  • Pete1215 Lafayette, IN
    July 6, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    We should drop the misnomer "student-athlete", and change it to "alumni-proxi", or maybe "gladiator-intern". No one seems to give the need of the students a second, momentary thought.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 28, 2012 10:22 p.m.

    @BlueCoug
    Northern Colorado was WINLESS and was rated #207 by Sagarin.

    BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of ineptitude since the leather helmet era.

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    Actually you played a "winless" UTEP team in 1985 and you lost...

    Texas-El Paso (1-10) 23
    BYU (11-3) 16

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 10:52 p.m.

    Canyontreker wonders "Shouldn't that say "The Big East and ACC are dead" since the four-team playoff will be between the SEC, Big 10, PAC-12, and between the Big 12 or Notre Dame?"

    Notre Dame has been a BCS non-factor. In 14 years, they've never placed higher than 6th in the BCS poll (just like Utah, which did it twice).

    But... its not about rankings. The big flaw in the polls is that teams move up because someone ahead of them lost. The selection committee is tasked with picking the 4 best teams, not the 4 highest ranked teams. Who knows what that means. Best might mean "playing the best football", or best might mean "team that will give a great TV rating". Notre Dame could qualify on TV beauty, while on-field they continue to be ugly.

  • Canyontreker TAYLORSVILLE, UT
    June 27, 2012 10:09 p.m.

    "Come 2014, the BCS is dead.

    A committee of university presidents on Tuesday approved the BCS commissioners' plan for a four-team playoff to start in two years."

    Shouldn't that say "The Big East and ACC are dead" since the four-team playoff will be between the SEC, Big 10, PAC-12, and between the Big 12 or Notre Dame?

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:50 p.m.

    BluCoug:

    "BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of ineptitude since the leather helmet era"
    Yeah, last year the cougs quickly scheduled Idaho State, which was coming off a 1-10 season the year before. Way to schedule UP!

    "after the way Utah performed against #107 Colorado last season, anything's possible"
    Yeah, that egg was almost as big as the one the cougs laid in 2010 against Utah State (#114). Funny you should mention Sagarin--the y's flossy 10-3 record last year REALLY impressed his computers all the way down to #34 (not at a phony #25, hah!), the lowest D-1 school w/ double-digit wins--and just 5 above the team that lost its starting QB after curb-stomping yours by 44.

    "didn't Utah play Weber State just a couple of years ago?"
    And got endless amounts of grief from blue fans like you. What, you have amnesia now?

  • No Conference Will Take Us SEATTLE, WA
    June 27, 2012 4:25 p.m.

    BlueCoug. Its no game.
    Washington is not a WAC team. We have a losing record agains a WAC team in San Jose St. That is fact.

    Will my fellow BYU fans ever figure out that joining the PAC is more than just about sports? Utah joined for academic reasons as well.

    We have our own problems getting to a title game. Who cares what Utah does.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 27, 2012 4:12 p.m.

    @chewbacca

    Wrong. Only one of those is a 2 for 1. Notre Dame. Just because you say something it doesn't suddenly become the truth. Try to say the actualy truth.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 27, 2012 3:29 p.m.

    JohnInSLC

    Northern Colorado was WINLESS and was rated #207 by Sagarin.

    BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of ineptitude since the leather helmet era; but Utah OPENS 2012 with the Bears. Talk about scheduling a guaranteed win; then again, after the way Utah performed against #107 Colorado last season, anything's possible - Northern Colorado is located only an hour or so from Boulder.

    btw, didn't Utah play Weber State just a couple of years ago.

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    upinthenight

    Two can play that game:

    BYU is 4-4 all time versus Washington
    Utah is 0-7 all time versus Washington

    Utah is also 1-6 all time versus Salt Lake City YMCA

    btw, you needn't bother worrying about all of those WAC teams on BYU's future schedules; after next season, BYU may never play another WAC team again in football.

    The demise of the BCS will be the death knell to Utah's trite BCS "legacy" as well as Utah's chances of ever winning a national championship; no more sneaking up on half-hearted, disinterested bowl opponents in a game that actually means something on a national scale.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 27, 2012 2:22 p.m.

    BYU is 6-9 all time versus San Jose St.
    It does not matter what changes with the BCS. BYU will never get there by racking up 10 win seasons against WAC teams.

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 27, 2012 1:14 p.m.

    " . . . none of BYU's future opponents even remotely comes close to the level of a Northern Colorado."

    Y's the little brother:

    The view from that glass house must not face the y's 2012 schedule. FYI, it includes FCS Weber State (with no Ronnie Mac or John L. at the helm), and WAC doormats SJSU and NMSU.

    Oh, right. You're going to tell us how all three of those programs are infinitely better that NCU. Sigh . . .

    The y campus really IS your world!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 1:08 p.m.

    @SportsFan: "The committee may consider those factors, along with a host of other factors"

    The selection committee "may" consider win-lose record? Again, according to ESPN the committee "will" consider all those 4 factors. Now, unless you have "research" to support your opinion I thank you for playing.

    And please do tell what "other factors" the committee will consider. This should be interesting.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:55 p.m.

    Uteology

    The committee may consider those factors, along with a host of other factors, but until we see the selection process in action and the committee announces its reasoning for choosing one team over another, NOBODY knows how the selection process will actually play out.

    For Utah fans to be claiming that the playoff will ensure ANYTHING other than that four very good teams will be selected, is pure speculation.

    Get over your arrogant selves; you're no more knowledgeable than any other fans, and from some of the comments on this blog, probably far lesss knowledgeable.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:45 p.m.

    Chewbacca

    You're welcome to believe whatever your biased little heart wants to, but NONE of BYU's scheduled future opponents are two-for-ones

    Notre Dame is 4 for 2;
    Texas is home-and-home;
    Georgia Tech is home-and-home;
    Boise State is 6 for 6;
    West Virginia is one made-for-TV game in Washington, DC;
    Utah State will probably remain 2 for 1 or move to the end of the season as a 1 for 1;
    Weber State is 1 for none;
    Nebraska is 1 and done;
    Houston is home-and-home;
    Hawaii is a long-term home-and-home;

    and

    Utah will be a home-and-home

    unless the Utes decide to turn their red-tailed feathers and runaway from the Cougars

    Sorry to burst your bubble, but none of BYU's future opponents even remotely comes close to the level of a Northern Colorado.

    Our little brothers are simply going to have to come up with some other lame argument.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 27, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    Playoffs!?! Playoffs!?! Great now all we'll hear in the preseason from BYU is that they're playing for a "playoff berth" while in reality the only thing they are playing for is their tier-3 bowl game.

    @phoenix:

    Gotta luv all of these wannabe Utah fan experts who pretend to be so knowledgeable about every detail of the selection process. What makes them so sure that the selection committee will even consider SOS one of their primary factors?

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    Umm, it's called "research" skills.

    According to ESPN:

    The committee will consider:

    A) win-loss record
    B) strength of schedule
    C) head-to-head results
    D) whether a team is a conference champion

  • eagle Provo, UT
    June 27, 2012 10:09 a.m.

    I would say this is a step in the right direction but I would prefer a 16-team playoff where all conference champions got an automatic bid, like in every other tournament the NCAA hosts. The beauty contest has been expanded from two to four participants (too late for Utah, Boise and TCU) but it's still a beauty contest. Expand out a further and you have a true playoff system. But it is better than before.

  • Speed_Altitude Centerville, UT
    June 27, 2012 8:57 a.m.

    The 64 team NCAA basketball tournament takes 3 weeks to complete. A corresponding 3 weeks for football would allow an 8 team playoff. A 4 team playoff seems like another way to keep some deserving teams out and the money in the pockets of the good ole boys conferences.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    June 27, 2012 8:54 a.m.

    little brother- I will grant you taht the cougars have lined up some exciting opponents. But a lot of those are 2 for 1s. Then you have to backfill with whatever you can get. If you want a full slate of home games that means you will end up with more sweet sister of the poor. Therefore you won't have a conference championship or a good SOS to hang your hat on. You will be left out.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 8:35 a.m.

    I have to laugh at all the Indy-WACey fans who REALLY believe that once the BCS ends after the 2013 season, that they're going to have the same access to the college football final four as their big brothers on the Hill. Let me put this as plainly as possible for you..... The ONLY thing that is going away due to this new playoff model is the "AQ" status. What will NOT be going away is:

    (1) The Pac-12, Big 12, B1G, ACC, and SEC.
    (2) The Rose, Fiesta, Orange, and Sugar Bowls.
    (3) The perception that teams listed in the Pac-12, Big 12, B1G, ACC, and SEC are deemed superior to all other schools not-named Notre Dame.
    (4) The "mid-major" status, and 3rd-tier postseason destinations for the Indy-WACers.
    (5) The cougars annual weak SOS matchups.

    And to be honest, I'm not even confident your Rivalry Weekend won't be spent facing off against the Aggies. And I mean the NM State Aggies! Good luck with that.

  • Y's little brother The Hill, UT
    June 27, 2012 8:30 a.m.

    Chewbacca

    And who would the WACy champion be?

    By 2014, BYU's short-term scheduling crunch filled by the WAC in 2011 and 2012 will be history, in fact, the WAC as a football conference will be history.

    Future BYU schedules are already filling up with teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Georgia Tech, Boise State, and West Virginia.

    Utah's chances will only be as good as their record, and if that record is only seen as the 5th best record, U won't be in the playoff, even if you are a "legitimate conference" champion.

    If something like Solomon Levi's scenario does happen in the future, you'd better hope we've moved to an 8-team playoff or the howling on the hill will be unbearable.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 8:21 a.m.

    Benderman1:

    "This is great news for BYU and Utah State fans but neutral news for Utah fans. BYU and Utah State now have equal access since AQ status conferences no longer exist."

    Not so. The BCS system guaranteed a BCS bowl for the highest ranked non-AQ team so long as it finished ranked in the Top-12. However, neither the Aggies nor the Indy-WACeys could finish their regular seasons as such. Now, a team must finish in the Top-4. So if neither USU nor the "perfection" questers could finish in the Top-12, how will they be expected to finish in the Top-4?

    Furthermore, this is not "neutral" news to Ute fans. The playoff system all but guarantees our postseason revenues will increase significantly....even if we don't play. Why? Revenue sharing! And while Utah never finished ranked in the Top-4 of the Final BCS standings at the conclusion of the regular season, that was only due to the fact that as members of the MWC, we wouldn't have had the SOS to get in. That's not a problem for us anymore.

    Utah's situation just got better.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 27, 2012 7:35 a.m.

    @Benderman

    "What happens when Utah goes undefeated but lays an egg in the conference championship game?"

    I get your point but it really doesn't mean anything as utah will never go undefeated. But if they did have an undefeated regular season and then lost in the pac12 championship game it wouldn't disqualify them because the "top" 4 teams are going to be selected. That means 2, or even 3 or 4, teams from 1 conference could be selected if the selection comittee feels they are 1 of the best 4 teams. While that does give the advantage to the SEC and the BIG 12, which are the 2 best football conferences, it does make it possible that 2 pac12, or big10, teams could get in.

    That said it is still a bogus setup. Kinda funny how "BCS" will no longer exist, kinda takes the wind out of the sails of those that for some reason liked it. It is now nothing more than a footnote in history and an example of a mistake that was eventually eliminated.

  • Chewbacca Magna, UT
    June 27, 2012 7:19 a.m.

    You got that right Solomon Levi. The WACY-y champion would obviously be left out due to strength of schedule. Being a legitimate conference champion will carry weight as well.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 27, 2012 6:58 a.m.

    JJ

    "The 4 team playoff all but ensures the only independent in the 4 team playoff will be Notre Dame."

    Despite your obvious BYU hatred, a 4-team playoff only ensures that the 4 best teams will make the playoff; no more free passes just for winning a conference championship.

    If BYU is one of the 4 best teams, they'll be in the playoff.

    Scenario: AP Top 25 Final Regular Season Rankings

    #1 undefeated Miami is ACC champ
    #2 one-loss Alabama is SEC champ
    #3 undefeated BYU is still independent
    #4 one-loss Ohio St is Big Ten champ
    #5 one-loss Utah is PAC 12 champ

    Which non-traditional power team do you think is going to be left on the outside looking in at a 4 team playoff?

  • Terry Sandy, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:34 a.m.

    They want to lock it in for 12 years because they know it will be so successful that people will demand at least 8 teams and then 16 after that. 8 should be a bare minimum for a real playoff, 16 has proven extremely successful for 1-AA!!!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:06 a.m.

    JJJS

    "Once again BYU fan jumps in with delusions of grandeur. The 4 team playoff all but ensures the only independent in the 4 team playoff will be Notre Dame. Notice ND's people were involved in this while non BYU people were."

    Once again Utah fan jumps in pretending to be such an expert.

    The ONLY thing a 4-team playoff ensures is that a selection committee will do their best to try to choose the 4 best teams.

    Sorry to disappoint you, but the BCS is dead. No more automatic qualifiers simply because you happen to be in a particular conference. A one-loss PAC 12 champion Utah could be left on the outside looking in at the 4-team playoff just as easily as a one-loss independent BYU.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    WhatsInItForMe

    "Has everyone forgotten that the "big four" conferences have made pacts to play each other in non-conference match-ups?"

    Sorry to burst your delusional, crimson bubble, but the bowl pacts agreed to by the "big four" are totally irrelevant. The many of the teams playing in those bowls will be 2nd place teams from those conferences, because the conference champions will be playing in the 4-team national championship playoff.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 11:16 p.m.

    Gotta luv all of these wannabe Utah fan experts who pretend to be so knowledgeable about every detail of the selection process.

    What makes them so sure that the selection committee will even consider SOS one of their primary factors? The AP and Coaches may not be officially part of the selection process, but just as we've seen in the NCAA basketball tournament, the polls may be far more influential.

  • Benderman1 Layton, UT
    June 26, 2012 11:13 p.m.

    This is great news for BYU and Utah State fans but neutral news for Utah fans. BYU and Utah State now have equal access since AQ status conferences no longer exist. In fact, you could argue that playing in some conferences can actually hurt your chances. What happens when Utah goes undefeated but lays an egg in the conference championship game? Since the other team would become the conference champion even with a weaker record, Utah would lose out despite only being a one loss team. A one loss Indy team on the other hand does not have a championship game to potentially disqualify them. They are simply rated on strength of schedule, wins/losses, and head to head match ups. Notre Dame knows what they're doing and they see some increased benefit to this. And BYU now has the exact same access as Notre Dame depending on their record and strength of schedule. There are suddenly some huge advantages to being Indy if a school is able to make it work.

  • Hatch Sandy, UT
    June 26, 2012 11:03 p.m.

    At last, there is a hole in the dyke.

  • JohnJacobJingleHeimerSchmidt Beverly Hills, CA
    June 26, 2012 11:00 p.m.

    Once again BYU fan jumps in with delusions of grandeur. The 4 team playoff all but ensures the only independent in the 4 team playoff will be Notre Dame. Notice ND's people were involved in this while non BYU people were.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 26, 2012 10:57 p.m.

    This will all boil down to who's on the selection committee. Same ones who are currently controlling the BCS and their bowls.

  • WhatsInItForMe Orem, Utah
    June 26, 2012 10:31 p.m.

    Has everyone forgotten that the "big four" conferences have made pacts to play each other in non-conference match-ups? They did this knowing this 4-team playoff was coming.

    This will ensure that they're the only conferences getting teams into the final four 90% of the time because of SOS. SOS is valid if calculated correctly. (Stay tuned!) It'll definitely be used.

    The Big East, ACC, and mid-majors are out of luck. They're SOS scores won't match up with the big four because the big four teams will seldom play them.

    Notre Dame routinely has a tough schedule each year, so they won't have any SOS problems. Everyone else will.

    BYU will have to change its tune about a "balanced" schedule. Such won't provide a high enough SOS to get selected. If they want to be the ND of the West, they'll have to schedule tough the way ND does.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:14 p.m.

    @ RevK

    Utah has zero regrets abut joining the PAC-12. And you're kidding yourself if you think BYU (or any other MWC team) wouldn't jump at the chance just like the Utes did.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2012 8:38 p.m.

    Copying some stats from an earlier post today. What if the BCS always had the 4 team playoff. Looking at the 14 final BCS polls...

    TCU would be the only "BCS Buster", finishing 4th (2009) and 3rd (2011).

    Never seeing a BCS Bowl would be:
    Utah - best finish was 6th (twice).
    Boise State - best finish was 6th.
    Notre Dame - best finish was 6th.
    BYU - best finish was 14th.

    8 out of 14 times a conference would have sent two teams to the playoff.
    The Big 12 would have sent two teams 3 times. The mighty SEC "only" 2 times.

  • RevK Glenwood, UT
    June 26, 2012 8:19 p.m.

    Boy, Im sure Utah is glad they joined the BCS (the same BCS that cheated them out of championship chances, yes im a BYU fan.) for a rosebowl bid. Sellouts. Now that a playoff is here, good luck getting past USC and Oregon in the next 5 years.

  • Utah-Hawaii Alum Dallas, TX
    June 26, 2012 8:06 p.m.

    BYU should win the title at least 20 times. They are the best program in the country by far.

  • sg newhall, CA
    June 26, 2012 7:53 p.m.

    This playoff system of only four teams is a joke. Frankly it's not enough and one must ask, where are these 4 teams going to come from? I believe a playoff system should be between conference winners and second place. What's wrong with a smaller playoff system that we have for basketball? It could work. Get rid of the bowl games. The numbers show that no one cares about the 'no-nothing-means-nothing' bowl games. And why is it that only the presidents of these colleges got to vote? Still, I am not convinced that the NCAA, as corrupt as they are, should even be involved in athletics anymore until they give a piece of the pie to the student athletes. Why is it that coaches et al financially benefit from star athletes with multi-million dollar contracts and radio and TV shows, while the athlete receives only a scholarship? Once done, there is not guarantee that that athlete will rake in millions, but the coaches and the NCAA? Of course they will and do. In my opinion, the NCAA treats these athletes as a type of indentures servants or slavery.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 26, 2012 7:22 p.m.

    Phantom and Striker both make excellent points, however the picture Phantom paints is more likely to happen.... at some point in the future an 8 team playoff with the conf. champion from 5 leagues getting automatic bids and the remaining 3 slots are at large selections. This would give both BYU and Utah a shot (albeit slight) at an NC. BYU would have to have a strong SOS and go undefeated while Utah would have to win the PAC12 championship game. Like I said a slight chance but at least there is still hope for both schools... what more could you ask for?

  • Igualmente Mesa, AZ
    June 26, 2012 7:14 p.m.

    If they use SOS instead of conference champions, then there will only be a few perennial contenders. With SOS, it sounds like it will always be an SEC championship.

    For it to be a national championship, it needs to provide access to all FBS level teams via the regular season conference champions, and not dependent on each AD's scheduling ability.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 6:26 p.m.

    The key, dear hedgy, is selecting the BEST FOUR teams, regardless of conference or independent status. There is no championship for having the best SOS, even if you try to balance out your six conference foes with losing records, by playing a gimme against Northern Colorado.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2012 6:10 p.m.

    I think that one of the 4 slots should go every year to one of the Independent conferecne teams.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 26, 2012 6:08 p.m.

    8 conferences. 8 champions in the playoffs. That makes the most sense. If these people get to vote, no team not winning their championship should be invited. Don't care how good an Alabama or Stanford is, they shouldn't be invited to the top if they didn't end up at the top.

    Even if the playoffs don't expand for another 10 years, this is a dream come true for college football fans.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2012 6:05 p.m.

    With five power conferences, only four playoff spots, and the SEC often claiming two of the four spots, an 8-team playoff is just a matter of time.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 26, 2012 6:00 p.m.

    "A great step in the right direction. I think the number of teams should be eight though"

    2 for flinching.

    I agree. But no more.

    The key is to keep out the ponzi SOS scheme. Teams that built their legancy on not playing anyone and crying about not being included with a 11-12 win season.

    This should only be for those who have proved it during the regular season.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2012 5:58 p.m.

    FINALLY!

    I agree with Two For, 8 would be better, but at least it's a start.

    Now to form a selection committee that will actually pick the best four teams, regardless of conference or independent status.

    If three of the four teams happen to be from the SEC or the Big 12, or two of the teams happen to be independents or teams from "non-power" conferences, so be it.

    The more whining we get from "power-conferences" being left on the outside looking in, the quicker we'll get to an 8-team playoff.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2012 5:19 p.m.

    A great step in the right direction. I think the number of teams should be eight though.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2012 5:17 p.m.

    A step in the right direction. Lots of details to still work out, but at least the wheels are in motion.