We should drop the misnomer "student-athlete", and change it to
"alumni-proxi", or maybe "gladiator-intern". No one seems to
give the need of the students a second, momentary thought.
@BlueCougNorthern Colorado was WINLESS and was rated #207 by Sagarin.BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of ineptitude since the
leather helmet era.--------------Actually you played a
"winless" UTEP team in 1985 and you lost...Texas-El Paso
(1-10) 23 BYU (11-3) 16
Canyontreker wonders "Shouldn't that say "The Big East and ACC are
dead" since the four-team playoff will be between the SEC, Big 10, PAC-12,
and between the Big 12 or Notre Dame?"Notre Dame has been a BCS
non-factor. In 14 years, they've never placed higher than 6th in the BCS
poll (just like Utah, which did it twice).But... its not about
rankings. The big flaw in the polls is that teams move up because someone ahead
of them lost. The selection committee is tasked with picking the 4 best teams,
not the 4 highest ranked teams. Who knows what that means. Best might mean
"playing the best football", or best might mean "team that will give
a great TV rating". Notre Dame could qualify on TV beauty, while on-field
they continue to be ugly.
"Come 2014, the BCS is dead.A committee of university presidents
on Tuesday approved the BCS commissioners' plan for a four-team playoff to
start in two years."Shouldn't that say "The Big East
and ACC are dead" since the four-team playoff will be between the SEC, Big
10, PAC-12, and between the Big 12 or Notre Dame?
BluCoug:"BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of
ineptitude since the leather helmet era" Yeah, last year the cougs
quickly scheduled Idaho State, which was coming off a 1-10 season the year
before. Way to schedule UP!"after the way Utah performed against
#107 Colorado last season, anything's possible" Yeah, that egg
was almost as big as the one the cougs laid in 2010 against Utah State (#114).
Funny you should mention Sagarin--the y's flossy 10-3 record last year
REALLY impressed his computers all the way down to #34 (not at a phony #25,
hah!), the lowest D-1 school w/ double-digit wins--and just 5 above the team
that lost its starting QB after curb-stomping yours by 44. "didn't Utah play Weber State just a couple of years ago?"
And got endless amounts of grief from blue fans like you. What, you have amnesia
BlueCoug. Its no game.Washington is not a WAC team. We have a losing
record agains a WAC team in San Jose St. That is fact.Will my fellow
BYU fans ever figure out that joining the PAC is more than just about sports?
Utah joined for academic reasons as well. We have our own problems
getting to a title game. Who cares what Utah does.
@chewbaccaWrong. Only one of those is a 2 for 1. Notre Dame. Just
because you say something it doesn't suddenly become the truth. Try to say
the actualy truth.
JohnInSLCNorthern Colorado was WINLESS and was rated #207 by
Sagarin.BYU hasn't played an opponent at that level of
ineptitude since the leather helmet era; but Utah OPENS 2012 with the Bears.
Talk about scheduling a guaranteed win; then again, after the way Utah performed
against #107 Colorado last season, anything's possible - Northern Colorado
is located only an hour or so from Boulder.btw, didn't Utah
play Weber State just a couple of years ago.============upinthenightTwo can play that game:BYU is 4-4 all time
versus WashingtonUtah is 0-7 all time versus WashingtonUtah is
also 1-6 all time versus Salt Lake City YMCAbtw, you needn't
bother worrying about all of those WAC teams on BYU's future schedules;
after next season, BYU may never play another WAC team again in football.The demise of the BCS will be the death knell to Utah's trite BCS
"legacy" as well as Utah's chances of ever winning a national
championship; no more sneaking up on half-hearted, disinterested bowl opponents
in a game that actually means something on a national scale.
BYU is 6-9 all time versus San Jose St.It does not matter what changes
with the BCS. BYU will never get there by racking up 10 win seasons against WAC
" . . . none of BYU's future opponents even remotely comes close to the
level of a Northern Colorado."Y's the little brother:The view from that glass house must not face the y's 2012 schedule.
FYI, it includes FCS Weber State (with no Ronnie Mac or John L. at the helm),
and WAC doormats SJSU and NMSU.Oh, right. You're going to tell
us how all three of those programs are infinitely better that NCU. Sigh . . .The y campus really IS your world!
@SportsFan: "The committee may consider those factors, along with a host of
other factors"The selection committee "may" consider
win-lose record? Again, according to ESPN the committee "will" consider
all those 4 factors. Now, unless you have "research" to support your
opinion I thank you for playing.And please do tell what "other
factors" the committee will consider. This should be interesting.
UteologyThe committee may consider those factors, along with a host
of other factors, but until we see the selection process in action and the
committee announces its reasoning for choosing one team over another, NOBODY
knows how the selection process will actually play out.For Utah fans
to be claiming that the playoff will ensure ANYTHING other than that four very
good teams will be selected, is pure speculation.Get over your
arrogant selves; you're no more knowledgeable than any other fans, and from
some of the comments on this blog, probably far lesss knowledgeable.
ChewbaccaYou're welcome to believe whatever your biased little
heart wants to, but NONE of BYU's scheduled future opponents are
two-for-ones Notre Dame is 4 for 2; Texas is home-and-home;
Georgia Tech is home-and-home; Boise State is 6 for 6; West
Virginia is one made-for-TV game in Washington, DC;Utah State will
probably remain 2 for 1 or move to the end of the season as a 1 for 1;Weber State is 1 for none; Nebraska is 1 and done;Houston is
home-and-home;Hawaii is a long-term home-and-home;andUtah will be a home-and-homeunless the Utes decide to turn their
red-tailed feathers and runaway from the CougarsSorry to burst your
bubble, but none of BYU's future opponents even remotely comes close to the
level of a Northern Colorado.Our little brothers are simply going to
have to come up with some other lame argument.
Playoffs!?! Playoffs!?! Great now all we'll hear in the preseason from
BYU is that they're playing for a "playoff berth" while in reality
the only thing they are playing for is their tier-3 bowl game.@phoenix: Gotta luv all of these wannabe Utah fan experts who
pretend to be so knowledgeable about every detail of the selection process.
What makes them so sure that the selection committee will even consider SOS one
of their primary factors?------------Umm, it's
called "research" skills.According to ESPN:The
committee will consider:A) win-loss recordB) strength of
scheduleC) head-to-head resultsD) whether a team is a conference
I would say this is a step in the right direction but I would prefer a 16-team
playoff where all conference champions got an automatic bid, like in every other
tournament the NCAA hosts. The beauty contest has been expanded from two to
four participants (too late for Utah, Boise and TCU) but it's still a
beauty contest. Expand out a further and you have a true playoff system. But it
is better than before.
The 64 team NCAA basketball tournament takes 3 weeks to complete. A
corresponding 3 weeks for football would allow an 8 team playoff. A 4 team
playoff seems like another way to keep some deserving teams out and the money in
the pockets of the good ole boys conferences.
little brother- I will grant you taht the cougars have lined up some exciting
opponents. But a lot of those are 2 for 1s. Then you have to backfill with
whatever you can get. If you want a full slate of home games that means you
will end up with more sweet sister of the poor. Therefore you won't have a
conference championship or a good SOS to hang your hat on. You will be left
I have to laugh at all the Indy-WACey fans who REALLY believe that once the BCS
ends after the 2013 season, that they're going to have the same access to
the college football final four as their big brothers on the Hill. Let me put
this as plainly as possible for you..... The ONLY thing that is going away due
to this new playoff model is the "AQ" status. What will NOT be going
away is:(1) The Pac-12, Big 12, B1G, ACC, and SEC.(2) The
Rose, Fiesta, Orange, and Sugar Bowls.(3) The perception that teams listed
in the Pac-12, Big 12, B1G, ACC, and SEC are deemed superior to all other
schools not-named Notre Dame.(4) The "mid-major" status, and
3rd-tier postseason destinations for the Indy-WACers.(5) The cougars
annual weak SOS matchups.And to be honest, I'm not even
confident your Rivalry Weekend won't be spent facing off against the
Aggies. And I mean the NM State Aggies! Good luck with that.
ChewbaccaAnd who would the WACy champion be? By 2014,
BYU's short-term scheduling crunch filled by the WAC in 2011 and 2012 will
be history, in fact, the WAC as a football conference will be history.Future BYU schedules are already filling up with teams like Notre Dame, Texas,
Georgia Tech, Boise State, and West Virginia.Utah's chances
will only be as good as their record, and if that record is only seen as the 5th
best record, U won't be in the playoff, even if you are a "legitimate
conference" champion.If something like Solomon Levi's
scenario does happen in the future, you'd better hope we've moved to
an 8-team playoff or the howling on the hill will be unbearable.
Benderman1:"This is great news for BYU and Utah State fans but
neutral news for Utah fans. BYU and Utah State now have equal access since AQ
status conferences no longer exist."Not so. The BCS system
guaranteed a BCS bowl for the highest ranked non-AQ team so long as it finished
ranked in the Top-12. However, neither the Aggies nor the Indy-WACeys could
finish their regular seasons as such. Now, a team must finish in the Top-4. So
if neither USU nor the "perfection" questers could finish in the Top-12,
how will they be expected to finish in the Top-4? Furthermore, this
is not "neutral" news to Ute fans. The playoff system all but
guarantees our postseason revenues will increase significantly....even if we
don't play. Why? Revenue sharing! And while Utah never finished ranked
in the Top-4 of the Final BCS standings at the conclusion of the regular season,
that was only due to the fact that as members of the MWC, we wouldn't have
had the SOS to get in. That's not a problem for us anymore.Utah's situation just got better.
@Benderman"What happens when Utah goes undefeated but lays an
egg in the conference championship game?"I get your point but it
really doesn't mean anything as utah will never go undefeated. But if they
did have an undefeated regular season and then lost in the pac12 championship
game it wouldn't disqualify them because the "top" 4 teams are
going to be selected. That means 2, or even 3 or 4, teams from 1 conference
could be selected if the selection comittee feels they are 1 of the best 4
teams. While that does give the advantage to the SEC and the BIG 12, which are
the 2 best football conferences, it does make it possible that 2 pac12, or
big10, teams could get in.That said it is still a bogus setup. Kinda
funny how "BCS" will no longer exist, kinda takes the wind out of the
sails of those that for some reason liked it. It is now nothing more than a
footnote in history and an example of a mistake that was eventually eliminated.
You got that right Solomon Levi. The WACY-y champion would obviously be left
out due to strength of schedule. Being a legitimate conference champion will
carry weight as well.
JJ"The 4 team playoff all but ensures the only independent in
the 4 team playoff will be Notre Dame."Despite your obvious BYU
hatred, a 4-team playoff only ensures that the 4 best teams will make the
playoff; no more free passes just for winning a conference championship.If BYU is one of the 4 best teams, they'll be in the playoff.Scenario: AP Top 25 Final Regular Season Rankings#1
undefeated Miami is ACC champ#2 one-loss Alabama is SEC champ#3
undefeated BYU is still independent#4 one-loss Ohio St is Big Ten champ#5 one-loss Utah is PAC 12 champWhich non-traditional power team
do you think is going to be left on the outside looking in at a 4 team playoff?
They want to lock it in for 12 years because they know it will be so successful
that people will demand at least 8 teams and then 16 after that. 8 should be a
bare minimum for a real playoff, 16 has proven extremely successful for 1-AA!!!
JJJS"Once again BYU fan jumps in with delusions of grandeur. The
4 team playoff all but ensures the only independent in the 4 team playoff will
be Notre Dame. Notice ND's people were involved in this while non BYU
people were."Once again Utah fan jumps in pretending to be such
an expert.The ONLY thing a 4-team playoff ensures is that a
selection committee will do their best to try to choose the 4 best teams. Sorry to disappoint you, but the BCS is dead. No more automatic
qualifiers simply because you happen to be in a particular conference. A
one-loss PAC 12 champion Utah could be left on the outside looking in at the
4-team playoff just as easily as a one-loss independent BYU.
WhatsInItForMe"Has everyone forgotten that the "big
four" conferences have made pacts to play each other in non-conference
match-ups?"Sorry to burst your delusional, crimson bubble, but
the bowl pacts agreed to by the "big four" are totally irrelevant. The
many of the teams playing in those bowls will be 2nd place teams from those
conferences, because the conference champions will be playing in the 4-team
national championship playoff.
Gotta luv all of these wannabe Utah fan experts who pretend to be so
knowledgeable about every detail of the selection process.What makes
them so sure that the selection committee will even consider SOS one of their
primary factors? The AP and Coaches may not be officially part of the selection
process, but just as we've seen in the NCAA basketball tournament, the
polls may be far more influential.
This is great news for BYU and Utah State fans but neutral news for Utah fans.
BYU and Utah State now have equal access since AQ status conferences no longer
exist. In fact, you could argue that playing in some conferences can actually
hurt your chances. What happens when Utah goes undefeated but lays an egg in
the conference championship game? Since the other team would become the
conference champion even with a weaker record, Utah would lose out despite only
being a one loss team. A one loss Indy team on the other hand does not have a
championship game to potentially disqualify them. They are simply rated on
strength of schedule, wins/losses, and head to head match ups. Notre Dame knows
what they're doing and they see some increased benefit to this. And BYU
now has the exact same access as Notre Dame depending on their record and
strength of schedule. There are suddenly some huge advantages to being Indy if
a school is able to make it work.
At last, there is a hole in the dyke.
Once again BYU fan jumps in with delusions of grandeur. The 4 team playoff all
but ensures the only independent in the 4 team playoff will be Notre Dame.
Notice ND's people were involved in this while non BYU people were.
This will all boil down to who's on the selection committee. Same ones who
are currently controlling the BCS and their bowls.
Has everyone forgotten that the "big four" conferences have made pacts
to play each other in non-conference match-ups? They did this knowing this
4-team playoff was coming.This will ensure that they're the
only conferences getting teams into the final four 90% of the time because of
SOS. SOS is valid if calculated correctly. (Stay tuned!) It'll definitely
be used.The Big East, ACC, and mid-majors are out of luck.
They're SOS scores won't match up with the big four because the big
four teams will seldom play them.Notre Dame routinely has a tough
schedule each year, so they won't have any SOS problems. Everyone else
will.BYU will have to change its tune about a "balanced"
schedule. Such won't provide a high enough SOS to get selected. If they
want to be the ND of the West, they'll have to schedule tough the way ND
@ RevKUtah has zero regrets abut joining the PAC-12. And
you're kidding yourself if you think BYU (or any other MWC team)
wouldn't jump at the chance just like the Utes did.
Copying some stats from an earlier post today. What if the BCS always had the 4
team playoff. Looking at the 14 final BCS polls...TCU would be the
only "BCS Buster", finishing 4th (2009) and 3rd (2011).Never
seeing a BCS Bowl would be:Utah - best finish was 6th (twice).Boise
State - best finish was 6th.Notre Dame - best finish was 6th.BYU -
best finish was 14th.8 out of 14 times a conference would have sent
two teams to the playoff.The Big 12 would have sent two teams 3 times. The
mighty SEC "only" 2 times.
Boy, Im sure Utah is glad they joined the BCS (the same BCS that cheated them
out of championship chances, yes im a BYU fan.) for a rosebowl bid. Sellouts.
Now that a playoff is here, good luck getting past USC and Oregon in the next 5
BYU should win the title at least 20 times. They are the best program in the
country by far.
This playoff system of only four teams is a joke. Frankly it's not enough
and one must ask, where are these 4 teams going to come from? I believe a
playoff system should be between conference winners and second place.
What's wrong with a smaller playoff system that we have for basketball? It
could work. Get rid of the bowl games. The numbers show that no one cares about
the 'no-nothing-means-nothing' bowl games. And why is it that only the
presidents of these colleges got to vote? Still, I am not convinced that the
NCAA, as corrupt as they are, should even be involved in athletics anymore until
they give a piece of the pie to the student athletes. Why is it that coaches et
al financially benefit from star athletes with multi-million dollar contracts
and radio and TV shows, while the athlete receives only a scholarship? Once
done, there is not guarantee that that athlete will rake in millions, but the
coaches and the NCAA? Of course they will and do. In my opinion, the NCAA
treats these athletes as a type of indentures servants or slavery.
Phantom and Striker both make excellent points, however the picture Phantom
paints is more likely to happen.... at some point in the future an 8 team
playoff with the conf. champion from 5 leagues getting automatic bids and the
remaining 3 slots are at large selections. This would give both BYU and Utah a
shot (albeit slight) at an NC. BYU would have to have a strong SOS and go
undefeated while Utah would have to win the PAC12 championship game. Like I
said a slight chance but at least there is still hope for both schools... what
more could you ask for?
If they use SOS instead of conference champions, then there will only be a few
perennial contenders. With SOS, it sounds like it will always be an SEC
championship.For it to be a national championship, it needs to
provide access to all FBS level teams via the regular season conference
champions, and not dependent on each AD's scheduling ability.
The key, dear hedgy, is selecting the BEST FOUR teams, regardless of conference
or independent status. There is no championship for having the best SOS, even if
you try to balance out your six conference foes with losing records, by playing
a gimme against Northern Colorado.
I think that one of the 4 slots should go every year to one of the Independent
8 conferences. 8 champions in the playoffs. That makes the most sense. If
these people get to vote, no team not winning their championship should be
invited. Don't care how good an Alabama or Stanford is, they
shouldn't be invited to the top if they didn't end up at the top. Even if the playoffs don't expand for another 10 years, this is a
dream come true for college football fans.
With five power conferences, only four playoff spots, and the SEC often claiming
two of the four spots, an 8-team playoff is just a matter of time.
"A great step in the right direction. I think the number of teams should be
eight though"2 for flinching.I agree. But no
more.The key is to keep out the ponzi SOS scheme. Teams that built
their legancy on not playing anyone and crying about not being included with a
11-12 win season.This should only be for those who have proved it
during the regular season.
FINALLY!I agree with Two For, 8 would be better, but at least
it's a start. Now to form a selection committee that will
actually pick the best four teams, regardless of conference or independent
status. If three of the four teams happen to be from the SEC or the
Big 12, or two of the teams happen to be independents or teams from
"non-power" conferences, so be it.The more whining we get
from "power-conferences" being left on the outside looking in, the
quicker we'll get to an 8-team playoff.
A great step in the right direction. I think the number of teams should be eight
A step in the right direction. Lots of details to still work out, but at least
the wheels are in motion.