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  • MLH SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    June 28, 2012 12:25 p.m.

    ygrad ydad

    This is nice series, is this new grammer that we should all be learning?

    coug in texas

    This Ute fan is pretty pumped that we get to play USC, Stanford, Oregon, I can't emagine the players we will get to watch. The University of Utah will be playing against some of the best football in the country, the y will be playing for the Idaho State Championship and a #25 ranking-WOW you y fans have just got to be ticked but then again most of you are tickled by the fact you will win 10 games and be ranked 25th by atleast one poll.

    Absolutely pathetic using the words all you cougs like to belt out. Man do we Utes have a lot to look forward too, Those Idaho schools San Jose, and NMSU are waiting for you in October and November and go Weber State, Nice Schedule!!!

  • IndianaCoug Bloomington, IN
    June 27, 2012 7:50 p.m.

    When an article about BYU playing another independent school elicits 32 of 52 comments from Ute fans, it's easy to see who the more relevant program is. Granted, 11 of those comments were from Naval Vet, who is just a hater, but still. Keep the posts coming little brothers on the hill.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 1:10 p.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE:

    Well....I guess Cougs4Life went on a business trip to Tulsa. That place has become quite the "getaway" for our frantic and emotional little brothers.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    June 27, 2012 12:51 p.m.

    Cougs4life,

    Well... Michigan is here, and we have a home and home with them. Not a 2 for 1, or 4 for 6, but a 1-1, home and home. Thanks for playing, and come again.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    Whoa Nellie:

    "...ND has already played in Provo, against a western mid-major program."

    Yeah, but not a Home-&-Home series. Your 2 games in Provo were 2-for-1s. I distinctly specified "Notre Dame doesn't do Home-&-Home arrangements with western mid-majors."

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 12:36 p.m.

    CougFaninTX:

    "The possible Big10 alliance is not finalized and if it does happen, it won't happen until 2017. And in case you haven't heard, the BCS is dead after 2013. You make it sound like the Utes have such a tough schedule."

    Uh oh. With this morning's announcement that the Utes have finalized a Home-&-Home agreement with Michigan, your point is now that you have no point. And we DO have a difficult schedule. Phil Steele ranked our last season's Final SOS at #48. Yours was #102. In other words, our SOS was TWICE as difficult as yours. In 2014 and 2015, Utah will be playing Michigan, USC, Oregon, AND Stanford. And that's in addition to UCLA, ASU, Arizona, and Colorado, plus 2 other Pac-12 North teams. This suggests that our already much more difficult schedule will be getting....much MUCH more difficult.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 12:17 p.m.

    phoenix:

    "It's hillarious how little respect you gave Michigan when BYU was beating the Wolverines to win the 1984 National Championship, but now that Michigan has mentioned Utah for a possible home-and-home, suddenly the Wolverines are the best team in college football history."

    When the Y was beating Michigan, they WERE a weak, injury-riddled 6-5 team. So no, not impressive. On the other hand, scheduling Michigan to open the season is an entirely different animal. For starters, neither the 2014 nor the 2015 Wolverines are 6-5, so you can't definitively label them as mediocre, whereas we CAN say as much regarding the '84 edition. Secondly, Michigan just came off a season where they finished 2nd in the BigTen Legends division, a conference-best 11-2 final record, a Sugar Bowl victory over 11-3 Va. Tech, and #12 final ranking. And now, Phil Steele is projecting the '12 Wolverines to start the season ranked in the Top-10. And while neither the '14 nor '15 Wolverines are a Top-10 nor an 11-2 team YET, they ARE a program that is trending upward. So suffer.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 11:59 a.m.

    PACute_:

    "Call us when Michigan actually signs a long term deal with Utah - word on the street is the PAC 12 - Big Ten exchange is all but dead."

    Why? Do the Indy-WACers have a long term deal with Michigan? No? I thought not. So why should be held to that standard? Call US when the "perfection" questers signs a Home-&-Home with the winningest team in FBS history like the Utes just did.

    phoenix:

    "By the time Michigan played BYU in the Holiday Bowl, most of those injured players were healed and back in the starting line up."

    I wouldn't know anything about that, but I DO know that your QB wasn't. In the '84 Holiday Bowl, the Wolverines were down to playing their FOURTH string signal caller. So in other words, you BARELY beat a 6-5 team, down to playing their 4th-string QB. And we're supposed to be impressed? Just because the Wolverines was you "signature win" of 1984 doesn't mean we should be in awe. They were a 6-5 team. Weak SOS!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 27, 2012 11:48 a.m.

    "BTW...I'm still waiting for the big announcement that Michigan is coming?" -- Cougs4Life, 10:25 a.m. June 26, 2012

    "Utah Utes football: Utes, Michigan agree to home-and-home series beginning in 2014" -- Deseret News article by Dirk Facer, 10:28 a.m. June 27, 2012

    Haha! Talk about timing. Looks like a lot can happen in a mere 24-hrs, dontcha think "Cougs4Life"? Just so you know, this announcement surprises NO ONE on the Red side. Now what about those purported "talks" brought up last year about the Indy-WACers lining up some games vs. Ohio State, Penn State, and Wisconsin? Anything there on that front?

    "LOL"

  • MESOUTE SLC, UT
    June 27, 2012 10:27 a.m.

    Yesterday Cougs4Life was mocking a Utah fan, asking "when that home and home with Michigan was happening?"

    Official answer is 2014 @ Michigan a.nd Utah @ Utah

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 27, 2012 8:53 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    "What was the combined record of Colorado, Washington St, Oregon St, UCLA, Arizona and ASU last year?"

    Final 2011 SOS were Utah #49, BYU #90. Fact.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 27, 2012 8:43 a.m.

    I wonder what the all time record is between Notre Dame and San Jose St?

    It must be better than BYU obviously.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 26, 2012 10:49 p.m.

    Navel vet, ND has already played in Provo, against a western mid-major program.

    Just because Utah is now a pac-12 team does not mean they are major conference caliber. They were much better when in the MWC as your basic mid-major program than they are now in the mighty pac.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 26, 2012 10:10 p.m.

    navyvet
    "With 9-league games, plus one BigTen, that leaves us with only 2 potential O.O.C. games per year to schedule; most likely paired as 1-Home, and 1-Away. And with a minimum of 10 BCS schools scheduled each year going forward"

    The possible Big10 alliance is not finalized and if it does happen, it won't happen until 2017. And in case you haven't heard, the BCS is dead after 2013. You make it sound like the Utes have such a tough schedule. What was the combined record of Colorado, Washington St, Oregon St, UCLA, Arizona and ASU last year?

    I'll be anxious to hear about your "Rose Bowl dreams" next year when U play USC, Oregon, and Standford in the same year. Middle of the PAC is best case scenario. Keeping Colorado company is more likely.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 6:20 p.m.

    navel vet

    "Michigan...the winningest team in FBS history"

    It's hillarious how little respect you gave Michigan when BYU was beating the Wolverines to win the 1984 National Championship, but now that Michigan has mentioned Utah for a possible home-and-home, suddenly the Wolverines are the best team in college football history.

    Gotta love the inconsistency.

    I know, I know, Michigan was only 6-5.

    But if take off those crimson shades long enough to dig just a little deeper, instead of your usual myopic obsession with SOS, you'll find that the Wolverines were a national championship contender themselves early in the season, before a rash of injuries took their toll. By the time Michigan played BYU in the Holiday Bowl, most of those injured players were healed and back in the starting line up.

    Let's also not forget that if Michigan had beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of in the Holiday Bowl.

    We'll never hear the end of it the first time the Utes come within a game of playing in the Rose Bowl.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2012 5:43 p.m.

    Navel Vet

    The MUSS is allocated 6,000 tickets, 1,000 of which are standing room only. The tickets are sold to students for $30 each and to non-student guests for $180 each.

    BYU STUDENT ALL-SPORT PASS – with football tickets
    • Student Reserved - $170
    • Guest Reserved - $230
    • Student Rotated - $125
    • Guest Rotated - $170

    Compared to what BYU charges, Utah is practically giving away tickets, even to the MUSS.

    +++++++++++++++

    atl134

    "I don't think you know what perennial means..."

    A perennial Top 25 team, would be a team that finishes regularly in the Top 25 for an extended period of time - like at least every other year for at least a couple of decades.

    BYU - 18 Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years (51%)
    Utah - 7 Top 25 finishes in the last 48 years (14%)

    Could it possibily be any clearer which team is an authentic perennial Top 25 team and which team is only a pretender?

    by the way, BYU finished in the Top 25 in both the AP and Coaches 17 of 18 times
    Utah has only finished in the Top 25 in both polls FIVE times

  • dallas realist rockwall, texas
    June 26, 2012 5:31 p.m.

    I dont Blame Utah fans for bragging about last year's win, if byu would have beat them that way I would be bragging too. I think that once the rivalry will come to an end (which sucks) I will probably root for UTAH to Win the PAC12. no matter what anyone wants to think, its better for both teams when they are both good. GO COUGS

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 26, 2012 5:12 p.m.

    What a surprise!

    Another blog reeking of jealousy from the kids on the hill.

    While BYU is playing the most storied program in all of college sports on national television, jealous Utah fans will be hunting through the cable guide hoping to find the PAC 12 regional channel where their game with the Beavers is being shown to local audiences, by subscription only.

    Despite all of the "big boy" conference chest beating we've seen for the last two years, our little brothers are still sooooo insecure in their own skin that they troll every BYU article screaming for attention from their big brother.

    Call us when Michigan actually signs a long term deal with Utah - word on the street is the PAC 12 - Big Ten exchange is all but dead.

  • Richard Smoker Provo, UT
    June 26, 2012 5:04 p.m.

    Good story. I think this game can turn into quite a rivalry: both religious schools and both independent. Even with Notre Dame being down lately, it's a big task to win in South Bend--just ask the Utes how their last trip went.

    The problem with the independent schedule is that they will have to schedule many other regular games. Notre Dame has the history: USC, Michigan, Michigan State, Navy, etc. Now that the U of U is gone, it leaves Notre Dame and USU as the only regular games. It will be tough to find new teams because they are scared to play in Provo. If they can't get big teams to do a home and home, they will have to try and join up with the Big 12 or Big East. A big statement year this year would help, and I think this band of brothers is fully invested and up for the task!

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 26, 2012 4:47 p.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority
    "BYU is a perennial Top 25 program"

    I don't think you know what perennial means... BYU and Utah are both perennial top 60 teams. Considering there are approximately 60 BCS teams it would suggest both are worthy of being in BCS conferences.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 2:42 p.m.

    Cougs4Life:

    "I guess that you are now a BCS team that ND has been knocking down Dr. Hill's door for a 1 and 1 arrangement?"

    I think you're mistaking Notre Dame for Michigan...the winningest team in FBS history. Unfortunately for Notre Dame, Utah has very few openings left on our schedule. With 9-league games, plus one BigTen, that leaves us with only 2 potential O.O.C. games per year to schedule; most likely paired as 1-Home, and 1-Away. And with a minimum of 10 BCS schools scheduled each year going forward, AND with either USU or the Indy-WACers taking one of those 2 O.O.C. games, AND with Utah looking to complete their O.O.C. slate by the end of September, it's going to be tough to make that happen.

    Go ahead and check FBschedules dot com for the latest updates on the Utah-Mich. game. Or you could Google "Michigan, Utah close to scheduling Home-and-Home Football Series" by Kevin Kelley (Tue, Jun. 12, 2012). How are YOUR future Home-and-Home games with the BigTen going? Weren't you guys bragging about OSU? PSU? Wisc?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 2:29 p.m.

    Cougs4Life:

    "...are you really trying to argue that it is better to have a one and done?"

    No. I don't think it's "better". I just don't think it's worse either. I think it's a push. You're just trying to put words in my mouth. Unfortunately for you, I was pretty clear when I stated "Either way, you're -1 in the return trip."

    Fail on your part.

    "...it really doesn't take much to 'sell out' your 40k seat stadium, especially when you give all the students tickets for free..."

    The tickets aren't free. They're subsidized by a portion of the students' fees. And the students are only allotted 5,000 tickets per game at RES. A large portion of the students at the game are part of the MUSS...which has an annual fee paid for BY the MUSS members [i.e. out-of-pocket; not subsidized].

    I love your tears though. They're oh so delicious.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2012 1:52 p.m.

    @Cougar Claws

    "Utah would probably still have won but I'm tired of Utah acting like they were actually 44 points better."

    You're right. If Utah wouldn't have gone their usual conservative self with a lead, and converted two trips inside the BYU 10-yard line near the end of the 3rd quarter into TD's instead of FG's, Utah would have put up 70 points.

    Your QB's dropping the ball, or throwing to the wrong team, or your center getting beat by 150 LB. Trevor Riley, or your RB's getting the ball stripped out of their hands, or your defense getting carved up on simple toss plays, those all say exactly what you're trying not to say. Utah was that much better than BYU on that particular day.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 26, 2012 1:44 p.m.

    @Naval Vet:

    "Blind hog" seemed like a more appropriate metaphor at the time, but now that I've had a chance to think about it, "Red Squirrel" may have been more appropriate. You can go with either one you like better.

  • Cougar Claws Lindon, UT
    June 26, 2012 1:07 p.m.

    I'm tired of hearing about 54-10. Both of John White's touchdowns at the end happened when the defense QUIT. Yes, even BYU quits sometimes.

    Do we even need to talk about the ugly gift of a touchdown Heaps gave Utah 15 seconds into the game? Or the Riley Nelson giveaway and runback for a touchdown? There are 28 of your "legitimate" points Utah fans.

    Strange things happen in football games sometimes. The fact is, with only 2 minutes left in the game the score is still 10-14 and it was still a ball game. Utah would probably still have won but I'm tired of Utah acting like they were actually 44 points better.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 12:32 p.m.

    C'mon Navel Vet...are you really trying to argue that it is better to have a one and done? Particularly when there hasn't been a national brand football team that has visited RES unless it has to? (I know...Oregon visited in 2003...when they were a middle of the PAC team.)

    BTW, it really doesn't take much to "sell out" your 40k seat stadium, especially when you give all the students tickets for free...

    So I guess that you are now a BCS team that ND has been knocking down Dr. Hill's door for a 1 and 1 arrangement? I'll wait for that annoucement along with the Michigan announcement that was a done deal two weeks ago! ND can truly play anyone it wants...and they don't want U!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 12:08 p.m.

    Cougs4Life:

    "It seems the best that your mighty BCS team could negotiate was one road game with no considerations at all for a return trip. 2 for 1...seems to be just a bit more credible."

    Notre Dame doesn't do Home-&-Home arrangements with western mid-majors. When Utah played at ND, we were a MWC team. Now we're a Pac-12 school. Unfortunately for you however, you're still a mid-major. Actually, you're WORSE than a mid-major. You're a WAC-ish mid-major. So sad.

    While you may feel having a 2-for-1 arrangement with Notre Dame is better than a one-off, I just don't see it that way. Either way, you're -1 in the return trip. The only reason a 2-for-1 trumps a one-off is in the case where ND brings in a sell-out crowd. Except Utah sells out their stadium anyway. Even for last year's FCS opponent. Just because you've been having difficulty selling out LES doesn't mean Utah needs Notre Dame to fill ours.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    June 26, 2012 12:05 p.m.

    ankle biter powers activate!

    I wonder if there will be a 5 part series on the Utes new rival, the Colorado Buffs, and the new coveted Golden Buffalo Chip Award?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    June 26, 2012 11:21 a.m.

    @Naval Vet "Ga. Tech and Alabama fans don't flock to Utah periodicals to tell us how relevant they are. They don't need to."

    Lol, that's a HILARIOUS statement, considering the fact that U fans obviously feel the need to flock to BYU articles and try to convince Coug fans that U are somehow relevant.

    Let's see: 12 of the now 25 comments on this board are from U fans...that's good for 48 percent!

    I'm really glad you've "left us in the dust" and that BYU is no longer relevant to U. U are doing a really good job showing that.

    As I've said before, relevance = ESPN and a national brand.

    Irrelevance = KJZZ and trailer park football facilities.

    Good ol' Utah...once a little brother, always a little brother.

    Go Cougars!

  • Shawnm750 West Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2012 11:04 a.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority - True, BYU has been to more bowl games than Utah, but their bowl record is hardly anything to brag about! 12 wins, 17 losses, and 1 tie. So, that's a winning percentage of: .40.

    Now, let's contrast that with Utah's bowl record which is 13 wins and 4 losses. That makes their winning percentage: .765. That's the highest winning percentage of bowl games among any team that's appeared in 10 or more bowl games.

    So, if you want to tout number of appearances - great! You win hands down. In fact, BYU has lost as many bowl games as Utah has played in. But, we've also won more bowl games than you have too... Shall we talk about perfect seasons? Oh yeah, we win 2-1 there too...

    GO UTES!

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 26, 2012 10:33 a.m.

    ?BYU put in their bench players when the score was 30 something to 10."
    Cougtx

    You're being emotional again.

    Heaps didn't leave the game less than 5 minutes left. Apo and Hoffman stayed in the game until the last minute.

  • Cougs4Life Gilbert, AZ
    June 26, 2012 10:25 a.m.

    @ Naval Vet:

    It is true, the Cougs have a 4 and 2 contract with the Irish, but when was the last time ND was in RES? It seems the best that your mighty BCS team could negotiate was one road game with no considerations at all for a return trip. 2 for 1 (for 4 for 6) seems to be just a bit more credible. BTW...I'm still waiting for the big announcement that Michigan is coming?

  • silverstateute Las Vegas, NV
    June 26, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    Nice series, Mr. Call. I honestly hope this series continues and builds into something special. Outside of the Fiesta and Sugar Bowls, our road trip to South Bend was our favorite. Even though the Utes were flat and lost that game agains Notre Dame, personally I rank it ahead of road trips I have taken to Michigan, USC, UCLA, and almost every other old MWC team. Now for my favorite quotes: "BYU is facing the prospect of not playing its arch-rival, Utah, on a regular basis. Perhaps playing Notre Dame could help compensate for that potential void." This puts the Utes in some pretty nationally relevent company! Thank you. Then, quoting devout Fighting Irish fan, Jim Augustine, explaining the unique Notre Dame experience: "...If you go to the tailgate, opposing fans will be invited to tailgates as they walk by. 'Come on over and have a beer. Have a bratwurst.' That's neat." Hopefully when this happens the judgmental Coug frown and scorn is reserved only for the Salt Lake bibbers!

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    June 26, 2012 9:59 a.m.

    My 2 Dads,

    "please don't pretend to be a BYU fan when your grammer, spelling and general incoherence clearly mark you as otherwise."

    Don't play the part of GRAMMAR Police if you can't spell GRAMMAR.

    "check out how many bowl games Utah actually played in from 1965 to 1991"

    Check out how many bowl games BYU LOST over that same period.

    Hint: Their record was 5-10-1, which was good for a .312 winning percentage. A lot of those losses were beatdowns and none of the wins was by more than 6 points.

    Ute fans talk about the 2011 Utah-BYU score for a couple of reasons:

    1) It's the only commonaity that we have now that the competition for a conference championship is no longer in play

    2) You gave up and ran for the exits in that game (Who quit first? The "fans" or the players?)

    3) It's quite fun to tease you

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:49 a.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    "@williary - check your facts. BYU put in their bench players when the score was 30 something to 10. Utah's starters were still in the game."

    Your fact checking is as terrible as Duckhunter.

    Lets look at the facts you claim:

    Score 33-10 Utah, 2 mins into the 4th quarter. Heaps completes passes to Hoffman, Apo, Jacobsen and Di Luigi during a drive ending in a failed 4th down attempt.

    Score 40-10 Utah, 9:00 left. Heaps completes pass to Apo, and an incomplete to Hoffman, before throwing another INT.

    Of course in between these drives, and directly after, John White attempting to run out the clock breaks runs of 62 and 35 yards for TD's. You're correct, techinically Utah starters were in the game, trying to run out the clock.

    Score 47-10 Utah, 8:00 left. Heaps throws incompletions to Apo and Hoffman on a drive resulting in another failed 4th down attempt.

    At this time, Utah runs their 4th offensive play of the quarter with Griff Robles and Harvey Langi in the game.

    BYU starts the next drive with 4:54 left, with Nelson comleting a pass to....Cody Hoffman.

  • Jake2010 bountiful, ut
    June 26, 2012 9:42 a.m.

    I was there for that 70-31 shallacking... And I'm pretty sure we didn't go about town bragging about the total melt down of Utah's defense that day for the next year..... Yah, 39 points isn't as much a thrashing as 44 is, but when has U ever scored that many points against your favorite brothers? And speaking of 'big heads blah blah blah'. That perfectly describes the BCS brotherhood who in their big headed posh land of unreality believe that what they are part of is bigger than it is... It matters in only one sport and I hope that the AG's suit to break it up is successful.. For then what do you have? A very bleak shot at the prestigious Rose Bowl? Whoopie!

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:36 a.m.

    @Tom in CA

    7 of 10 is as far from an anomoly as you can get my friend.

    It's called a trend. A rapidly declining trend for BYU football in comparison to Utah football.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 9:31 a.m.

    "Dan Murphy, a staff writer for Blue & Gold Illustrated, a publication devoted to covering Notre Dame athletics, said the school's administration likes the idea of playing BYU on a regular basis."

    And why wouldn't they? They know they can get a 2-for-1 from the Indy-WACers, whereas they cannot with USC, Michigan, Michigan St, Boston College, or Navy. Gotta get that 7th or 8th Home game.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 26, 2012 9:26 a.m.

    Levin:

    Ga. Tech and Alabama fans don't flock to Utah periodicals to tell us how relevant they are. They don't need to. They don't play their Football seasons in the WAC, so we already know and respect them. We can't say the same for our little brothers in Provo.

    Tom in CA:

    "An anomaly - even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to time."

    I didn't know hogs were acorn hunters. Seems like a squirrel thing to me. Did you just not know how to spell "squirrel" so you went with something a little easier? Anyway, I was just curious if blind hogs/squirrels find the acorn 70% of the time? Because it seems to me that when you win 7 out of 10, it isn't anomalous. On the other hand, when you win 3 out of 10, with 2 of those wins coming as a result of the games' final play [the other done in the final minute following a long pass play on a 4th & 18 conversion], THAT appears to be more of an anomaly.

  • TJ Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 26, 2012 9:21 a.m.

    There is one group that has BYU right at the top of their list of obsessions. Just look at every BYU football article and they are right there in the comment section. U are under BYU's power...lol
    There is nothing like the Notre Dame campus on the week of a home game. Although I don't think this will end up as a great rivalry, I am looking forward to seeing every game between these two teams.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 26, 2012 9:20 a.m.

    @williary - check your facts. BYU put in their bench players when the score was 30 something to 10. Utah's starters were still in the game. Ute fans seem to cherish this win more than their BCS win against Alabama. I give U credit for what U did to shutdown Heaps and help us realize he was not the QB of the future. But your win was not nearly as impressive as the 70 points the Y put up on U several years ago.

    Utes fans are desperate to hear about their Utes, and since the media is not writing anything, they make up their own stories and attach them to BYU articles. But let's stick to the article, and this one is about Notre Dame and BYU. You'll have to turn elsewhere to read about Utah vs Northern Colorado.

    If BYU and Notre Dame manage to enter this game with 1 or less loss, the whole world will be watching. The media will love this rivalry. It has the potential to be one of the most watched regular season games each year.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 26, 2012 9:02 a.m.

    "If Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team they beat by 44 points?"

    Willary:

    An anomaly - even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to time.

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    June 26, 2012 8:41 a.m.

    Does this mean this is BYU's big bowl game every 2 out 3 years? It is bigger than the Poinsettia Bowl or whatever this years bowl game for BYU.

    Whatever it takes to feel better.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 26, 2012 8:34 a.m.

    Mr. Augustine thinks BYU "... will never give up...".

    Funny...

    I suppose he didn't see BYU tuck tail against Utah in 2010.

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    June 26, 2012 8:09 a.m.

    I can only assume that the Ute fans here are just overwhelming the Georgia Tech articles and blogs with bluster about their thrilling win last December. Not to mention the program-defining win over the Crimson Tide. The Utes handed Bama their last bowl loss! They manhandled a team that has since won two BCS championships. This is surely where Ute fans are focusing their trash talk because "Utah has progressed and moved on." Right?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    June 26, 2012 8:02 a.m.

    williary

    "If Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team they beat by 44 points?"

    BYU is a perennial Top 25 program that understands the difference between a one-game meltdown against a Top 40 team and a season-long meltdown against a host of mediocre and bad teams.

    Utah fans are totally obsessed with the BYU; it's the ONLY game you've talked about for the past year. In truth, BYU has been Utah's bowl game for the past five decades - check out how many bowl games Utah actually played in from 1965 to 1991.

  • Robert Johnson Sunland, CA
    June 26, 2012 7:38 a.m.

    Oh how the once mighty have fallen. There was a time when playing BYU was considered Utah's "Bowl Game"....but Utah has progressed and moved on. BYU, on the otherhand, with their march toward mediocrity now considers Notre Dame their Bowl Game....at least its a step up from the Kraft Fight Hunger and New Mexico Bowls that BYU has managed to contract into.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    June 26, 2012 7:37 a.m.

    Outside of USC, Michigan and Stanford I agree most smaller programs view the ND game as their "bowl game". It's always cute to watch the slack jawed fans from Tulsa, Western Michigan and now bYu walk around the ND campus like it's Disney Land.

    ND is great at making the less fortunate feel special....at least for a few hours.

  • williary Kearns, UT
    June 26, 2012 7:28 a.m.

    @Tom

    If Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team they beat by 44 points?

    @Y Grad

    BYU didn't quit last year. Outside of Nelson, they continued playing most of the their starters while Utah was throwing in the 3rd string.

    And they still lost by 44.

  • DC Alexandria, VA
    June 26, 2012 7:07 a.m.

    No, no no no no - DNews, you're not helping with these articles. Stop giving fodder to the BYU haters.

    Tell you what, why don't we as BYU fans just look at this game as the real national championship? Since we're looking at it as a second bowl game, might as well pretend it's part of the playoffs.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 25, 2012 11:44 p.m.

    Mightymite, please don't pretend to be a BYU fan when your grammer, spelling and general incoherence clearly mark you as otherwise.

    I really was expecting the first Ute dig to be in reference to the "they don't quit" quote.

    This is nice series, with plenty of material designed to incite the rabid ankle-biters. Can't wait for the season to start. And we get real news.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    June 25, 2012 11:33 p.m.

    mightymite - just can't stay away, can you.

    BYU beating utah early in the season this year will be a nice little win. Have a nice time as a bottom dweller in the so called conference of champions.

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:23 p.m.

    Makes me want to go to South Bend just so I can say I did that.

  • mightymite DRAPER, UT
    June 25, 2012 11:08 p.m.

    It will be your bowl game. "notre dame of the west", hugh?? Where were you at the table with the 11 conference comissioners and notre dame discussing the bcs. Oh, that is right, you were at home as a non-invite. Ya'll made the bed and if this is the highlight of the season I am would be depressed as a coug fan. There should be a reward at the end of a season and the kids have been robbed of this by the big heads thinking the program is bigger then it is. Independance has started the demise of my beloved cougs.