ygrad ydadThis is nice series, is this new grammer that we should
all be learning?coug in texasThis Ute fan is pretty
pumped that we get to play USC, Stanford, Oregon, I can't emagine the
players we will get to watch. The University of Utah will be playing against
some of the best football in the country, the y will be playing for the Idaho
State Championship and a #25 ranking-WOW you y fans have just got to be ticked
but then again most of you are tickled by the fact you will win 10 games and be
ranked 25th by atleast one poll. Absolutely pathetic using the
words all you cougs like to belt out. Man do we Utes have a lot to look forward
too, Those Idaho schools San Jose, and NMSU are waiting for you in October and
November and go Weber State, Nice Schedule!!!
When an article about BYU playing another independent school elicits 32 of 52
comments from Ute fans, it's easy to see who the more relevant program is.
Granted, 11 of those comments were from Naval Vet, who is just a hater, but
still. Keep the posts coming little brothers on the hill.
Papa Smurf UTE:Well....I guess Cougs4Life went on a business trip to
Tulsa. That place has become quite the "getaway" for our frantic and
emotional little brothers.
Cougs4life,Well... Michigan is here, and we have a home and home
with them. Not a 2 for 1, or 4 for 6, but a 1-1, home and home. Thanks for
playing, and come again.
Whoa Nellie:"...ND has already played in Provo, against a
western mid-major program."Yeah, but not a Home-&-Home
series. Your 2 games in Provo were 2-for-1s. I distinctly specified "Notre
Dame doesn't do Home-&-Home arrangements with western mid-majors."
CougFaninTX:"The possible Big10 alliance is not finalized and if
it does happen, it won't happen until 2017. And in case you haven't
heard, the BCS is dead after 2013. You make it sound like the Utes have such a
tough schedule."Uh oh. With this morning's announcement
that the Utes have finalized a Home-&-Home agreement with Michigan, your
point is now that you have no point. And we DO have a difficult schedule. Phil
Steele ranked our last season's Final SOS at #48. Yours was #102. In
other words, our SOS was TWICE as difficult as yours. In 2014 and 2015, Utah
will be playing Michigan, USC, Oregon, AND Stanford. And that's in
addition to UCLA, ASU, Arizona, and Colorado, plus 2 other Pac-12 North teams.
This suggests that our already much more difficult schedule will be
getting....much MUCH more difficult.
phoenix:"It's hillarious how little respect you gave
Michigan when BYU was beating the Wolverines to win the 1984 National
Championship, but now that Michigan has mentioned Utah for a possible
home-and-home, suddenly the Wolverines are the best team in college football
history."When the Y was beating Michigan, they WERE a weak,
injury-riddled 6-5 team. So no, not impressive. On the other hand, scheduling
Michigan to open the season is an entirely different animal. For starters,
neither the 2014 nor the 2015 Wolverines are 6-5, so you can't definitively
label them as mediocre, whereas we CAN say as much regarding the '84
edition. Secondly, Michigan just came off a season where they finished 2nd in
the BigTen Legends division, a conference-best 11-2 final record, a Sugar Bowl
victory over 11-3 Va. Tech, and #12 final ranking. And now, Phil Steele is
projecting the '12 Wolverines to start the season ranked in the Top-10.
And while neither the '14 nor '15 Wolverines are a Top-10 nor an 11-2
team YET, they ARE a program that is trending upward. So suffer.
PACute_:"Call us when Michigan actually signs a long term deal
with Utah - word on the street is the PAC 12 - Big Ten exchange is all but
dead."Why? Do the Indy-WACers have a long term deal with
Michigan? No? I thought not. So why should be held to that standard? Call US
when the "perfection" questers signs a Home-&-Home with the
winningest team in FBS history like the Utes just did.phoenix:"By the time Michigan played BYU in the Holiday Bowl, most of those
injured players were healed and back in the starting line up."I
wouldn't know anything about that, but I DO know that your QB wasn't.
In the '84 Holiday Bowl, the Wolverines were down to playing their FOURTH
string signal caller. So in other words, you BARELY beat a 6-5 team, down to
playing their 4th-string QB. And we're supposed to be impressed? Just
because the Wolverines was you "signature win" of 1984 doesn't mean
we should be in awe. They were a 6-5 team. Weak SOS!
"BTW...I'm still waiting for the big announcement that Michigan is
coming?" -- Cougs4Life, 10:25 a.m. June 26, 2012"Utah Utes
football: Utes, Michigan agree to home-and-home series beginning in 2014" --
Deseret News article by Dirk Facer, 10:28 a.m. June 27, 2012Haha!
Talk about timing. Looks like a lot can happen in a mere 24-hrs, dontcha think
"Cougs4Life"? Just so you know, this announcement surprises NO ONE on
the Red side. Now what about those purported "talks" brought up last
year about the Indy-WACers lining up some games vs. Ohio State, Penn State, and
Wisconsin? Anything there on that front?"LOL"
Yesterday Cougs4Life was mocking a Utah fan, asking "when that home and home
with Michigan was happening?"Official answer is 2014 @ Michigan
a.nd Utah @ Utah
@CougFaninTX"What was the combined record of Colorado,
Washington St, Oregon St, UCLA, Arizona and ASU last year?"Final
2011 SOS were Utah #49, BYU #90. Fact.
I wonder what the all time record is between Notre Dame and San Jose St?It must be better than BYU obviously.
Navel vet, ND has already played in Provo, against a western mid-major program.
Just because Utah is now a pac-12 team does not mean they are major
conference caliber. They were much better when in the MWC as your basic
mid-major program than they are now in the mighty pac.
navyvet"With 9-league games, plus one BigTen, that leaves us with only
2 potential O.O.C. games per year to schedule; most likely paired as 1-Home, and
1-Away. And with a minimum of 10 BCS schools scheduled each year going
forward"The possible Big10 alliance is not finalized and if it
does happen, it won't happen until 2017. And in case you haven't
heard, the BCS is dead after 2013. You make it sound like the Utes have such a
tough schedule. What was the combined record of Colorado, Washington St, Oregon
St, UCLA, Arizona and ASU last year? I'll be anxious to hear
about your "Rose Bowl dreams" next year when U play USC, Oregon, and
Standford in the same year. Middle of the PAC is best case scenario. Keeping
Colorado company is more likely.
navel vet"Michigan...the winningest team in FBS history"It's hillarious how little respect you gave Michigan when BYU was
beating the Wolverines to win the 1984 National Championship, but now that
Michigan has mentioned Utah for a possible home-and-home, suddenly the
Wolverines are the best team in college football history.Gotta love
the inconsistency.I know, I know, Michigan was only 6-5.But if take off those crimson shades long enough to dig just a little deeper,
instead of your usual myopic obsession with SOS, you'll find that the
Wolverines were a national championship contender themselves early in the
season, before a rash of injuries took their toll. By the time Michigan played
BYU in the Holiday Bowl, most of those injured players were healed and back in
the starting line up. Let's also not forget that if Michigan
had beaten Ohio State in their final regular season game, the Wolverines would
have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of in the Holiday Bowl.We'll never hear the end of it the first time the Utes come within a game
of playing in the Rose Bowl.
Navel VetThe MUSS is allocated 6,000 tickets, 1,000 of which are
standing room only. The tickets are sold to students for $30 each and to
non-student guests for $180 each. BYU STUDENT ALL-SPORT PASS –
with football tickets• Student Reserved - $170• Guest
Reserved - $230• Student Rotated - $125• Guest Rotated -
$170Compared to what BYU charges, Utah is practically giving away
tickets, even to the MUSS.+++++++++++++++atl134"I don't think you know what perennial means..."A
perennial Top 25 team, would be a team that finishes regularly in the Top 25 for
an extended period of time - like at least every other year for at least a
couple of decades.BYU - 18 Top 25 finishes in the last 35 years
(51%)Utah - 7 Top 25 finishes in the last 48 years (14%)Could
it possibily be any clearer which team is an authentic perennial Top 25 team and
which team is only a pretender?by the way, BYU finished in the Top
25 in both the AP and Coaches 17 of 18 timesUtah has only finished in the
Top 25 in both polls FIVE times
I dont Blame Utah fans for bragging about last year's win, if byu would
have beat them that way I would be bragging too. I think that once the rivalry
will come to an end (which sucks) I will probably root for UTAH to Win the
PAC12. no matter what anyone wants to think, its better for both teams when they
are both good. GO COUGS
What a surprise!Another blog reeking of jealousy from the kids on
the hill. While BYU is playing the most storied program in all of
college sports on national television, jealous Utah fans will be hunting through
the cable guide hoping to find the PAC 12 regional channel where their game with
the Beavers is being shown to local audiences, by subscription only. Despite all of the "big boy" conference chest beating we've seen
for the last two years, our little brothers are still sooooo insecure in their
own skin that they troll every BYU article screaming for attention from their
big brother.Call us when Michigan actually signs a long term deal
with Utah - word on the street is the PAC 12 - Big Ten exchange is all but dead.
Good story. I think this game can turn into quite a rivalry: both religious
schools and both independent. Even with Notre Dame being down lately, it's
a big task to win in South Bend--just ask the Utes how their last trip went.The problem with the independent schedule is that they will have to
schedule many other regular games. Notre Dame has the history: USC, Michigan,
Michigan State, Navy, etc. Now that the U of U is gone, it leaves Notre Dame
and USU as the only regular games. It will be tough to find new teams because
they are scared to play in Provo. If they can't get big teams to do a home
and home, they will have to try and join up with the Big 12 or Big East. A big
statement year this year would help, and I think this band of brothers is fully
invested and up for the task!
@TheSportsAuthority"BYU is a perennial Top 25 program"I don't think you know what perennial means... BYU and Utah are both
perennial top 60 teams. Considering there are approximately 60 BCS teams it
would suggest both are worthy of being in BCS conferences.
Cougs4Life:"I guess that you are now a BCS team that ND has been
knocking down Dr. Hill's door for a 1 and 1 arrangement?"I
think you're mistaking Notre Dame for Michigan...the winningest team in FBS
history. Unfortunately for Notre Dame, Utah has very few openings left on our
schedule. With 9-league games, plus one BigTen, that leaves us with only 2
potential O.O.C. games per year to schedule; most likely paired as 1-Home, and
1-Away. And with a minimum of 10 BCS schools scheduled each year going forward,
AND with either USU or the Indy-WACers taking one of those 2 O.O.C. games, AND
with Utah looking to complete their O.O.C. slate by the end of September,
it's going to be tough to make that happen.Go ahead and check
FBschedules dot com for the latest updates on the Utah-Mich. game. Or you could
Google "Michigan, Utah close to scheduling Home-and-Home Football
Series" by Kevin Kelley (Tue, Jun. 12, 2012). How are YOUR future
Home-and-Home games with the BigTen going? Weren't you guys bragging about
OSU? PSU? Wisc?
Cougs4Life:"...are you really trying to argue that it is better
to have a one and done?"No. I don't think it's
"better". I just don't think it's worse either. I think
it's a push. You're just trying to put words in my mouth.
Unfortunately for you, I was pretty clear when I stated "Either way,
you're -1 in the return trip."Fail on your part."...it really doesn't take much to 'sell out' your 40k seat
stadium, especially when you give all the students tickets for free..."The tickets aren't free. They're subsidized by a portion of
the students' fees. And the students are only allotted 5,000 tickets per
game at RES. A large portion of the students at the game are part of the
MUSS...which has an annual fee paid for BY the MUSS members [i.e. out-of-pocket;
not subsidized].I love your tears though. They're oh so
@Cougar Claws"Utah would probably still have won but I'm
tired of Utah acting like they were actually 44 points better."You're right. If Utah wouldn't have gone their usual conservative
self with a lead, and converted two trips inside the BYU 10-yard line near the
end of the 3rd quarter into TD's instead of FG's, Utah would have put
up 70 points.Your QB's dropping the ball, or throwing to the
wrong team, or your center getting beat by 150 LB. Trevor Riley, or your
RB's getting the ball stripped out of their hands, or your defense getting
carved up on simple toss plays, those all say exactly what you're trying
not to say. Utah was that much better than BYU on that particular day.
@Naval Vet:"Blind hog" seemed like a more appropriate
metaphor at the time, but now that I've had a chance to think about it,
"Red Squirrel" may have been more appropriate. You can go with either
one you like better.
I'm tired of hearing about 54-10. Both of John White's touchdowns at
the end happened when the defense QUIT. Yes, even BYU quits sometimes.Do we even need to talk about the ugly gift of a touchdown Heaps gave Utah 15
seconds into the game? Or the Riley Nelson giveaway and runback for a touchdown?
There are 28 of your "legitimate" points Utah fans.Strange
things happen in football games sometimes. The fact is, with only 2 minutes left
in the game the score is still 10-14 and it was still a ball game. Utah would
probably still have won but I'm tired of Utah acting like they were
actually 44 points better.
C'mon Navel Vet...are you really trying to argue that it is better to have
a one and done? Particularly when there hasn't been a national brand
football team that has visited RES unless it has to? (I know...Oregon visited
in 2003...when they were a middle of the PAC team.) BTW, it really
doesn't take much to "sell out" your 40k seat stadium, especially
when you give all the students tickets for free...So I guess that
you are now a BCS team that ND has been knocking down Dr. Hill's door for a
1 and 1 arrangement? I'll wait for that annoucement along with the
Michigan announcement that was a done deal two weeks ago! ND can truly play
anyone it wants...and they don't want U!
Cougs4Life:"It seems the best that your mighty BCS team could
negotiate was one road game with no considerations at all for a return trip. 2
for 1...seems to be just a bit more credible."Notre Dame
doesn't do Home-&-Home arrangements with western mid-majors. When Utah
played at ND, we were a MWC team. Now we're a Pac-12 school.
Unfortunately for you however, you're still a mid-major. Actually,
you're WORSE than a mid-major. You're a WAC-ish mid-major. So
sad.While you may feel having a 2-for-1 arrangement with Notre Dame
is better than a one-off, I just don't see it that way. Either way,
you're -1 in the return trip. The only reason a 2-for-1 trumps a one-off
is in the case where ND brings in a sell-out crowd. Except Utah sells out their
stadium anyway. Even for last year's FCS opponent. Just because
you've been having difficulty selling out LES doesn't mean Utah needs
Notre Dame to fill ours.
ankle biter powers activate!I wonder if there will be a 5 part
series on the Utes new rival, the Colorado Buffs, and the new coveted Golden
Buffalo Chip Award?
@Naval Vet "Ga. Tech and Alabama fans don't flock to Utah periodicals
to tell us how relevant they are. They don't need to."Lol,
that's a HILARIOUS statement, considering the fact that U fans obviously
feel the need to flock to BYU articles and try to convince Coug fans that U are
somehow relevant.Let's see: 12 of the now 25 comments on this
board are from U fans...that's good for 48 percent!I'm
really glad you've "left us in the dust" and that BYU is no longer
relevant to U. U are doing a really good job showing that.As
I've said before, relevance = ESPN and a national brand.Irrelevance = KJZZ and trailer park football facilities.Good
ol' Utah...once a little brother, always a little brother.Go
@TheSportsAuthority - True, BYU has been to more bowl games than Utah, but their
bowl record is hardly anything to brag about! 12 wins, 17 losses, and 1 tie. So,
that's a winning percentage of: .40. Now, let's contrast
that with Utah's bowl record which is 13 wins and 4 losses. That makes
their winning percentage: .765. That's the highest winning percentage of
bowl games among any team that's appeared in 10 or more bowl games. So, if you want to tout number of appearances - great! You win hands
down. In fact, BYU has lost as many bowl games as Utah has played in. But,
we've also won more bowl games than you have too... Shall we talk about
perfect seasons? Oh yeah, we win 2-1 there too...GO UTES!
?BYU put in their bench players when the score was 30 something to 10."CougtxYou're being emotional again.Heaps
didn't leave the game less than 5 minutes left. Apo and Hoffman stayed in
the game until the last minute.
@ Naval Vet:It is true, the Cougs have a 4 and 2 contract with the
Irish, but when was the last time ND was in RES? It seems the best that your
mighty BCS team could negotiate was one road game with no considerations at all
for a return trip. 2 for 1 (for 4 for 6) seems to be just a bit more credible.
BTW...I'm still waiting for the big announcement that Michigan is coming?
Nice series, Mr. Call. I honestly hope this series continues and builds into
something special. Outside of the Fiesta and Sugar Bowls, our road trip to
South Bend was our favorite. Even though the Utes were flat and lost that game
agains Notre Dame, personally I rank it ahead of road trips I have taken to
Michigan, USC, UCLA, and almost every other old MWC team. Now for my favorite
quotes: "BYU is facing the prospect of not playing its arch-rival, Utah, on
a regular basis. Perhaps playing Notre Dame could help compensate for that
potential void." This puts the Utes in some pretty nationally relevent
company! Thank you. Then, quoting devout Fighting Irish fan, Jim Augustine,
explaining the unique Notre Dame experience: "...If you go to the tailgate,
opposing fans will be invited to tailgates as they walk by. 'Come on over
and have a beer. Have a bratwurst.' That's neat." Hopefully when
this happens the judgmental Coug frown and scorn is reserved only for the Salt
My 2 Dads,"please don't pretend to be a BYU fan when your
grammer, spelling and general incoherence clearly mark you as otherwise."Don't play the part of GRAMMAR Police if you can't spell
GRAMMAR."check out how many bowl games Utah actually played in
from 1965 to 1991"Check out how many bowl games BYU LOST over
that same period. Hint: Their record was 5-10-1, which was good
for a .312 winning percentage. A lot of those losses were beatdowns and none of
the wins was by more than 6 points.Ute fans talk about the 2011
Utah-BYU score for a couple of reasons:1) It's the only
commonaity that we have now that the competition for a conference championship
is no longer in play2) You gave up and ran for the exits in that
game (Who quit first? The "fans" or the players?)3)
It's quite fun to tease you
@CougFaninTX"@williary - check your facts. BYU put in their
bench players when the score was 30 something to 10. Utah's starters were
still in the game."Your fact checking is as terrible as
Duckhunter.Lets look at the facts you claim:Score 33-10
Utah, 2 mins into the 4th quarter. Heaps completes passes to Hoffman, Apo,
Jacobsen and Di Luigi during a drive ending in a failed 4th down attempt.Score 40-10 Utah, 9:00 left. Heaps completes pass to Apo, and an
incomplete to Hoffman, before throwing another INT.Of course in
between these drives, and directly after, John White attempting to run out the
clock breaks runs of 62 and 35 yards for TD's. You're correct,
techinically Utah starters were in the game, trying to run out the clock.Score 47-10 Utah, 8:00 left. Heaps throws incompletions to Apo and
Hoffman on a drive resulting in another failed 4th down attempt.At
this time, Utah runs their 4th offensive play of the quarter with Griff Robles
and Harvey Langi in the game.BYU starts the next drive with 4:54
left, with Nelson comleting a pass to....Cody Hoffman.
I was there for that 70-31 shallacking... And I'm pretty sure we
didn't go about town bragging about the total melt down of Utah's
defense that day for the next year..... Yah, 39 points isn't as much a
thrashing as 44 is, but when has U ever scored that many points against your
favorite brothers? And speaking of 'big heads blah blah blah'. That
perfectly describes the BCS brotherhood who in their big headed posh land of
unreality believe that what they are part of is bigger than it is... It matters
in only one sport and I hope that the AG's suit to break it up is
successful.. For then what do you have? A very bleak shot at the prestigious
Rose Bowl? Whoopie!
@Tom in CA7 of 10 is as far from an anomoly as you can get my
friend.It's called a trend. A rapidly declining trend for BYU
football in comparison to Utah football.
"Dan Murphy, a staff writer for Blue & Gold Illustrated, a publication
devoted to covering Notre Dame athletics, said the school's administration
likes the idea of playing BYU on a regular basis."And why
wouldn't they? They know they can get a 2-for-1 from the Indy-WACers,
whereas they cannot with USC, Michigan, Michigan St, Boston College, or Navy.
Gotta get that 7th or 8th Home game.
Levin:Ga. Tech and Alabama fans don't flock to Utah periodicals
to tell us how relevant they are. They don't need to. They don't
play their Football seasons in the WAC, so we already know and respect them. We
can't say the same for our little brothers in Provo.Tom in
CA:"An anomaly - even a blind hog finds an acorn from time to
time."I didn't know hogs were acorn hunters. Seems like a
squirrel thing to me. Did you just not know how to spell "squirrel" so
you went with something a little easier? Anyway, I was just curious if blind
hogs/squirrels find the acorn 70% of the time? Because it seems to me that when
you win 7 out of 10, it isn't anomalous. On the other hand, when you win 3
out of 10, with 2 of those wins coming as a result of the games' final play
[the other done in the final minute following a long pass play on a 4th & 18
conversion], THAT appears to be more of an anomaly.
There is one group that has BYU right at the top of their list of obsessions.
Just look at every BYU football article and they are right there in the comment
section. U are under BYU's power...lolThere is nothing like the Notre
Dame campus on the week of a home game. Although I don't think this will
end up as a great rivalry, I am looking forward to seeing every game between
these two teams.
@williary - check your facts. BYU put in their bench players when the score was
30 something to 10. Utah's starters were still in the game. Ute fans seem
to cherish this win more than their BCS win against Alabama. I give U credit
for what U did to shutdown Heaps and help us realize he was not the QB of the
future. But your win was not nearly as impressive as the 70 points the Y put up
on U several years ago.Utes fans are desperate to hear about their
Utes, and since the media is not writing anything, they make up their own
stories and attach them to BYU articles. But let's stick to the article,
and this one is about Notre Dame and BYU. You'll have to turn elsewhere to
read about Utah vs Northern Colorado.If BYU and Notre Dame manage to
enter this game with 1 or less loss, the whole world will be watching. The
media will love this rivalry. It has the potential to be one of the most
watched regular season games each year.
"If Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team they beat by 44
points?"Willary:An anomaly - even a blind hog finds
an acorn from time to time.
Does this mean this is BYU's big bowl game every 2 out 3 years? It is
bigger than the Poinsettia Bowl or whatever this years bowl game for BYU. Whatever it takes to feel better.
Mr. Augustine thinks BYU "... will never give up...".Funny...I suppose he didn't see BYU tuck tail against Utah in
I can only assume that the Ute fans here are just overwhelming the Georgia Tech
articles and blogs with bluster about their thrilling win last December. Not to
mention the program-defining win over the Crimson Tide. The Utes handed Bama
their last bowl loss! They manhandled a team that has since won two BCS
championships. This is surely where Ute fans are focusing their trash talk
because "Utah has progressed and moved on." Right?
williary"If Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team
they beat by 44 points?"BYU is a perennial Top 25 program that
understands the difference between a one-game meltdown against a Top 40 team and
a season-long meltdown against a host of mediocre and bad teams.Utah
fans are totally obsessed with the BYU; it's the ONLY game you've
talked about for the past year. In truth, BYU has been Utah's bowl game for
the past five decades - check out how many bowl games Utah actually played in
from 1965 to 1991.
Oh how the once mighty have fallen. There was a time when playing BYU was
considered Utah's "Bowl Game"....but Utah has progressed and moved
on. BYU, on the otherhand, with their march toward mediocrity now considers
Notre Dame their Bowl Game....at least its a step up from the Kraft Fight Hunger
and New Mexico Bowls that BYU has managed to contract into.
Outside of USC, Michigan and Stanford I agree most smaller programs view the ND
game as their "bowl game". It's always cute to watch the slack
jawed fans from Tulsa, Western Michigan and now bYu walk around the ND campus
like it's Disney Land.ND is great at making the less fortunate
feel special....at least for a few hours.
@TomIf Utah is a bottom dweller, what would you call a team they
beat by 44 points?@Y GradBYU didn't quit last year.
Outside of Nelson, they continued playing most of the their starters while Utah
was throwing in the 3rd string. And they still lost by 44.
No, no no no no - DNews, you're not helping with these articles. Stop
giving fodder to the BYU haters.Tell you what, why don't we as
BYU fans just look at this game as the real national championship? Since
we're looking at it as a second bowl game, might as well pretend it's
part of the playoffs.
Mightymite, please don't pretend to be a BYU fan when your grammer,
spelling and general incoherence clearly mark you as otherwise.I
really was expecting the first Ute dig to be in reference to the "they
don't quit" quote.This is nice series, with plenty of
material designed to incite the rabid ankle-biters. Can't wait for the
season to start. And we get real news.
mightymite - just can't stay away, can you. BYU beating utah
early in the season this year will be a nice little win. Have a nice time as a
bottom dweller in the so called conference of champions.
Makes me want to go to South Bend just so I can say I did that.
It will be your bowl game. "notre dame of the west", hugh?? Where were
you at the table with the 11 conference comissioners and notre dame discussing
the bcs. Oh, that is right, you were at home as a non-invite. Ya'll made
the bed and if this is the highlight of the season I am would be depressed as a
coug fan. There should be a reward at the end of a season and the kids have been
robbed of this by the big heads thinking the program is bigger then it is.
Independance has started the demise of my beloved cougs.