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Published: Sunday, June 24 2012 10:27 p.m. MDT

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Bluto
Sandy, UT

There is nothing more amusing than the Ute fans who are so insecure and have for so long lived in BYU's shadow, that they can't get BYU out of their heads.

They feel a constant need to put down every positive aspect of BYU's program, because they will never have what BYU has. A National Brand and Legacy.

Guess what Uties...BYU is alive and well, so U will have to actually accomplish what BYU has over decades, in order to match their Name.

Until then, they are the Team in this Market and trump U in National Appeal.

To PapaSmurfUte

Notre Dame has nothing in common with BYU?
Other than Faith and Independence?

BYU, like Notre Dame has......

1-A National Championship
2-A Heisman Trophy Winner
3-Outland Trophy winners
4-Super Bowl and NFL MVP's, counted among their Alumni.
5-Both are are Tier One Universities (Academically)....(Unlike Utah)
6-Both have the ability to live on their Own Name and Brand.
7-Both have Major Network TV deals.
7-Both have College Hall of Famers...(Unlike Utah)

BYU is not Notre Dame and Utah will never match BYU in Legacy/Brand.

Charles Knutson
Salem, UT

Papa Smurf UTE: By way of clarification, when I told Jeff that "They're a lot like BYU," I was talking about the universities, not the football programs. I think that's pretty clear in the context of the quote. I spent a week on the Notre Dame campus for an academic conference two years ago, and had a chance to spend time with faculty and administrators. I felt a kindred sense in what they were trying to do academically, and the positive influence of the university's religious affiliation. From the perspective of football, nobody can touch Notre Dame's tradition and history. It's a stunningly beautiful campus, and I am indeed stoked to go to the game. I'll be wearing BYU blue and cheering for the cougars, but look forward to the experience independent of the outcome. (@cdknutson)

Elmer Fudd
Sandy, Utah

@ Bluto

"BYU is not Notre Dame and Utah will never match BYU in Legacy/Brand".

What Legacy/Brand does BYU have?

I guess the college football world and major conferences must have missed it or they would be drooling all over BYU to join their conference like they do over Notre Dame.

Dream on Bluto! The only "Legacy" BYU has is a WAC "Legacy" and nothing more. The only "Brand" BYU has is the LDS Church and nothing more.

BYU = Mid-major forever!!

CougFaninTX
Frisco, TX

@hedgehog
"Here you go again with the bYu and ND "brotherhood"

Here you go again . . . there was absolutely no insinuation in my comment of any brotherhood. My only insinuation was that the new playoff system keeps independent status as a viable option. If U don't think schools like USC and Texas are looking at the tradeoffs of conference vs independent, you don't know what drives them. They are thinking, if BYU can make it as and independent, we can command 5X what BYU is making and they'd be right. USC carries the PAC12 in football and Texas / Oklahoma carry the Big12. Texas has given plenty of clues that they don't like carrying Iowa State, Kansas and Baylor and are setting themselves up for the future.

Big 12 Bob
Salt Lake City, UT

CougFaninTX, USC and Texas are not going to become independents. There was talk of Texas going independent when the Big 12 was in trouble. But no more. Texas now gets over $20 million a year in TV revenue as part of the Big 12 package. You're suggesting that "because of a 4 team playoff", Texas would walk away from $20 million dollars and try to do their own deal.

Could they match or do better than $20 million as an independent? Maybe. But look at the horrible horrible cost. Instead of playing team like Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and Baylor, Texas would have to follow the BYU model. They would have to schedule teams like New Mexico State and Arkansas State. BYU fans may "forgive" that kind of a schedule because they know that his what the Church wants. Texas isn't run by a church. It's fans would go nuts if Texas showed up with a BYU-like independent schedule.

Your dream that "all the good teams" -- Texas, USC, Alabama, Ohio State -- are going to go independent and schedule each other and Notre Dame and BYU isn't going to happen.

SoonerUte
Salt Lake City, UT

"Texas looking at the tradeoffs of conference vs independent"
Texas' television rights are owned by the Big 12 Conference for 6 years. They're not going anywhere.

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA

PapaSmurf

"The only thing both teams [BYU and Notre Dame] have in common is that they are both religious schools, and they are both independent."

If you try just a little harder, you might be able to come up with a few more things; just to make it fun, we'll throw Utah into the mix.

Which one of these is not like the others?

National Championships
ND 11 (latest 1988)
BYU 1
Utah 0

Heisman Trophy Winners
ND 7
BYU 1
Utah 0

National College Football Hall of Fame
ND 49 (44 players)
BYU 7 (6 players)
Utah 1 (0 players)

Top 25 Finishes
ND 49
BYU 18
Utah 7

National Fanbase
ND yes
BYU yes
Utah no

Major Network Television Contract
ND yes
BYU yes
Utah no

Multi-decade legacy of football excellence
ND yes
BYU yes
Utah no

BYU may be Notre Dame lite, but at least BYU is in the conversation.

WACPaddingOurSchedule
pocatello, ID

skywalker
Palo Alto, CA
PapaSmurf

"The only thing both teams [BYU and Notre Dame] have in common is that they are both religious schools, and they are both independent."

If you try just a little harder, you might be able to come up with a few more things; just to make it fun, we'll throw Utah into the mix.

Which one of these is not like the others?

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Ah yes. BYU fans are fond of dipping into the WAC legacy time machine.
Well I tried a little harder, and I came up with some things. And just for fun I threw San Jose St. into the mix.

BYUs record vs Utah
31-52-4

BYUs record vs Notre Dame
2-4

BYUs record vs San Jose St.
6-9

Which one of these is not like the others?
I know, its a trick question. Anyone can see that BYU has a losing record against all three teams. Even against a WAC team.

BYUfaninWashSt
Everett, WA

I hope our economy continues to fail so we can have a chance for competent leadership.

I hope BYU football continues to fail so we can have a chance for competent leadership.

Really hate losing to ND & Utah, but only continuing failure will result in change, unfortunately.

Wayne Rout
El Paso, TX

Great article. One added bit of advice would be to get there very early, parking is difficult.
Stadium is not as nice as expected.

NightOwlAmerica
SALEM, OR

WACPaddingOurSchedule

LOL!!!

No wonder BYU is scheduling WAC teams. Have some catching up to do even if its on the road!

mussingaround
Palo Alto, CA

WACy

Utah's record vs Notre Dame 0-1

Utah's record vs BYU in the last half century 21-29

Utah's record vs Salt Lake City YMCA 1-6

Utah's record vs Washington 0-7

Congratulations, U have one more win over the YMCA than you do the Huskies.

NOBODY cares about your leather helmet era "glory" days in conferences NOBODY has ever heard of.

Which one of these is not like the others?

The team that took over a HUNDRED years to crack the AP Top 25!

Snack PAC
Olympus Cove, Utah

WAC no show

"Ah yes. BYU fans are fond of dipping into the WAC legacy time machine."

The only reason Utah fans don't bother dipping into their "WAC legacy" is because it doesn't exist:

WAC era
BYU 288-147-4 (66%), 19 conference championships, 1 national championship, 12 AP Top 25 finishes
Utah 200-208-4 (49%), 2 conference championships, 0 national championships, 1 AP Top 25 finish

head-to-head
BYU 24
Utah 13

You think a 54-10 win is domination?

Try 27-0, 56-6, 56-28, 17-12, and 55-7 back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back, the games leading up to BYU's National Championship season.

Even during Utah's heyday of 2003 to 2008, the Utes never even came close to that kind of domination.

No Conference Will Take Us
SEATTLE, WA

mussing around and Snack PAC are yet more examples of fellow BYU fans that can't accept the truth.
We have a losing record against Utah.

And also a losing record against San Jose St.

Nobody cares about our WAC legacy.

Striker
Omaha, NE

Skywalker,
Why was your post so accurate that it brought out all the little Darth Vaders to attack? They brought their military weapons not related to the article in order to fire back. I think your point has been proven to be accurate. Nice work!

junkgeek
Agua Dulce, TX

Another in a series of "we're not in their league" articles.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

CougFaninTX:

"I expect this series to continue beyond the 2020 season. I can see it becoming an annual event."

Don't you mean you could see it becoming an annual 2-for-1 event? Afterall, you ARE WAC-ish and mid-majorey. ND doesn't do Home-&-Homes with programs down there at YOUR current level.

Naval Vet
Philadelphia, PA

BYUfaninWashSt:

"I hope our economy continues to fail so we can have a chance for competent leadership."

What? If leadership WOULD change, then what would happen? The economy would improve? Why don't you just hope our economy improves REGARDLESS of the leadership? It doesn't make any sense to hope we fail so we can turn around and succeed. You sound very partisan.

bandersonfam
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I was also at the 2005 game. We lucked out and were given four tickets ---- right in the middle of the senior citizen season ticket ND section. The ND fans were very nice.

In fact the BYU team was ahead during much of the first half and at halftime. We had a great time winning the first half. I turned to the lady next to me who had been very conversational and said that if I was correct at that very moment there were 11 white players for BYU and 11 black players for ND. She said absolutely nothing. I figured that must be a sore subject so I said no more on the subject.

We thought it was cool that during the game they announced several times there would be a mass right after the game. I convinced my companions to join me in filing in and out of the cathedral for a peek after the game.

For marching band people I recommend going early to hear the ND band play a pep rally type concert at a building across campus then lead a Pied Piper like march to the stadium followed by a few thousand fans.

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