I was also at the 2005 game. We lucked out and were given four tickets ----
right in the middle of the senior citizen season ticket ND section. The ND fans
were very nice. In fact the BYU team was ahead during much of the
first half and at halftime. We had a great time winning the first half. I
turned to the lady next to me who had been very conversational and said that if
I was correct at that very moment there were 11 white players for BYU and 11
black players for ND. She said absolutely nothing. I figured that must be a
sore subject so I said no more on the subject.We thought it was cool
that during the game they announced several times there would be a mass right
after the game. I convinced my companions to join me in filing in and out of
the cathedral for a peek after the game.For marching band people I
recommend going early to hear the ND band play a pep rally type concert at a
building across campus then lead a Pied Piper like march to the stadium followed
by a few thousand fans.
BYUfaninWashSt:"I hope our economy continues to fail so we can
have a chance for competent leadership."What? If leadership
WOULD change, then what would happen? The economy would improve? Why
don't you just hope our economy improves REGARDLESS of the leadership? It
doesn't make any sense to hope we fail so we can turn around and succeed.
You sound very partisan.
CougFaninTX:"I expect this series to continue beyond the 2020
season. I can see it becoming an annual event."Don't you
mean you could see it becoming an annual 2-for-1 event? Afterall, you ARE
WAC-ish and mid-majorey. ND doesn't do Home-&-Homes with programs down
there at YOUR current level.
Another in a series of "we're not in their league" articles.
Skywalker,Why was your post so accurate that it brought out all the little
Darth Vaders to attack? They brought their military weapons not related to the
article in order to fire back. I think your point has been proven to be
accurate. Nice work!
mussing around and Snack PAC are yet more examples of fellow BYU fans that
can't accept the truth.We have a losing record against Utah.And also a losing record against San Jose St.Nobody cares about
our WAC legacy.
WAC no show"Ah yes. BYU fans are fond of dipping into the WAC
legacy time machine."The only reason Utah fans don't bother
dipping into their "WAC legacy" is because it doesn't exist:WAC eraBYU 288-147-4 (66%), 19 conference championships, 1
national championship, 12 AP Top 25 finishesUtah 200-208-4 (49%), 2
conference championships, 0 national championships, 1 AP Top 25 finishhead-to-head BYU 24Utah 13You think a 54-10 win is
domination?Try 27-0, 56-6, 56-28, 17-12, and 55-7
back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back, the games leading up to BYU's
National Championship season.Even during Utah's heyday of 2003
to 2008, the Utes never even came close to that kind of domination.
WACyUtah's record vs Notre Dame 0-1Utah's
record vs BYU in the last half century 21-29 Utah's record vs
Salt Lake City YMCA 1-6Utah's record vs Washington 0-7Congratulations, U have one more win over the YMCA than you do the Huskies.NOBODY cares about your leather helmet era "glory" days in
conferences NOBODY has ever heard of.Which one of these is not like
the others?The team that took over a HUNDRED years to crack the AP
WACPaddingOurSchedule LOL!!!No wonder BYU is scheduling
WAC teams. Have some catching up to do even if its on the road!
Great article. One added bit of advice would be to get there very early,
parking is difficult.Stadium is not as nice as expected.
I hope our economy continues to fail so we can have a chance for competent
leadership.I hope BYU football continues to fail so we can have a
chance for competent leadership.Really hate losing to ND & Utah,
but only continuing failure will result in change, unfortunately.
skywalkerPalo Alto, CAPapaSmurf"The only thing both
teams [BYU and Notre Dame] have in common is that they are both religious
schools, and they are both independent."If you try just a little
harder, you might be able to come up with a few more things; just to make it
fun, we'll throw Utah into the mix.Which one of these is not
like the others?______________Ah yes. BYU fans are fond
of dipping into the WAC legacy time machine.Well I tried a little harder,
and I came up with some things. And just for fun I threw San Jose St. into the
mix.BYUs record vs Utah31-52-4BYUs record vs Notre
Dame2-4BYUs record vs San Jose St.6-9Which
one of these is not like the others?I know, its a trick question. Anyone
can see that BYU has a losing record against all three teams. Even against a WAC
PapaSmurf"The only thing both teams [BYU and Notre Dame] have in
common is that they are both religious schools, and they are both
independent."If you try just a little harder, you might be able
to come up with a few more things; just to make it fun, we'll throw Utah
into the mix.Which one of these is not like the others?National ChampionshipsND 11 (latest 1988)BYU 1Utah 0Heisman Trophy WinnersND 7BYU 1Utah 0National College Football Hall of FameND 49 (44 players)BYU 7 (6
players)Utah 1 (0 players)Top 25 FinishesND 49BYU
18Utah 7National FanbaseND yesBYU yesUtah
noMajor Network Television ContractND yesBYU yesUtah noMulti-decade legacy of football excellenceND yesBYU yesUtah noBYU may be Notre Dame lite, but at least BYU
is in the conversation.
"Texas looking at the tradeoffs of conference vs independent"Texas' television rights are owned by the Big 12 Conference for 6 years.
They're not going anywhere.
CougFaninTX, USC and Texas are not going to become independents. There was talk
of Texas going independent when the Big 12 was in trouble. But no more. Texas
now gets over $20 million a year in TV revenue as part of the Big 12 package.
You're suggesting that "because of a 4 team playoff", Texas would
walk away from $20 million dollars and try to do their own deal.Could they match or do better than $20 million as an independent? Maybe. But
look at the horrible horrible cost. Instead of playing team like Oklahoma,
Texas Tech, and Baylor, Texas would have to follow the BYU model. They would
have to schedule teams like New Mexico State and Arkansas State. BYU fans may
"forgive" that kind of a schedule because they know that his what the
Church wants. Texas isn't run by a church. It's fans would go nuts
if Texas showed up with a BYU-like independent schedule.Your dream
that "all the good teams" -- Texas, USC, Alabama, Ohio State -- are
going to go independent and schedule each other and Notre Dame and BYU
isn't going to happen.
@hedgehog"Here you go again with the bYu and ND
"brotherhood"Here you go again . . . there was absolutely no
insinuation in my comment of any brotherhood. My only insinuation was that the
new playoff system keeps independent status as a viable option. If U don't
think schools like USC and Texas are looking at the tradeoffs of conference vs
independent, you don't know what drives them. They are thinking, if BYU
can make it as and independent, we can command 5X what BYU is making and
they'd be right. USC carries the PAC12 in football and Texas / Oklahoma
carry the Big12. Texas has given plenty of clues that they don't like
carrying Iowa State, Kansas and Baylor and are setting themselves up for the
@ Bluto"BYU is not Notre Dame and Utah will never match BYU in
Legacy/Brand".What Legacy/Brand does BYU have? I
guess the college football world and major conferences must have missed it or
they would be drooling all over BYU to join their conference like they do over
Notre Dame. Dream on Bluto! The only "Legacy" BYU has is a
WAC "Legacy" and nothing more. The only "Brand" BYU has is the
LDS Church and nothing more. BYU = Mid-major forever!!
Papa Smurf UTE: By way of clarification, when I told Jeff that "They're
a lot like BYU," I was talking about the universities, not the football
programs. I think that's pretty clear in the context of the quote. I spent
a week on the Notre Dame campus for an academic conference two years ago, and
had a chance to spend time with faculty and administrators. I felt a kindred
sense in what they were trying to do academically, and the positive influence of
the university's religious affiliation. From the perspective of football,
nobody can touch Notre Dame's tradition and history. It's a stunningly
beautiful campus, and I am indeed stoked to go to the game. I'll be wearing
BYU blue and cheering for the cougars, but look forward to the experience
independent of the outcome. (@cdknutson)
There is nothing more amusing than the Ute fans who are so insecure and have for
so long lived in BYU's shadow, that they can't get BYU out of their
heads.They feel a constant need to put down every positive aspect of
BYU's program, because they will never have what BYU has. A National Brand
and Legacy.Guess what Uties...BYU is alive and well, so U will have
to actually accomplish what BYU has over decades, in order to match their Name.
Until then, they are the Team in this Market and trump U in National
Appeal.To PapaSmurfUteNotre Dame has nothing in common
with BYU? Other than Faith and Independence?BYU, like Notre
Dame has......1-A National Championship2-A Heisman Trophy
Winner3-Outland Trophy winners4-Super Bowl and NFL MVP's,
counted among their Alumni.5-Both are are Tier One Universities
(Academically)....(Unlike Utah)6-Both have the ability to live on their
Own Name and Brand.7-Both have Major Network TV deals.7-Both have
College Hall of Famers...(Unlike Utah)BYU is not Notre Dame and Utah
will never match BYU in Legacy/Brand.
So much respect for ND. I love these ND articles. Educational. I'd
rather play a classy school and let Utah drop us cuz BYU is too tough of a
school to play non-conference to play a school who challenges themselves and
plays hard teams week after week, just like BYU will start doing after this WAC
contract ends this year. Sounds like if there is one place to attend a football
game, it's Notre Dame. Catholics vs. Mormons for years to come. Looking
forward to it!
3grandslams- I hope it becomes an annual rivalry too. That would be too funny
to see the y playing an annual "rivalry game" in a long term two-for-one
series with ND.
Loved my experience at ND in '05. The fans were classy and friendly.
I'm very much looking forward to Oct. 20th and yes, I will be there. I
hope this matchup becomes yearly and replaces the rivalry Utah doesn't
want to keep.
"If both BYU and ND do well, this could open the doors for some other teams
to turn independent'cOUGFANTX,Here you go again with the
bYu and ND "brotherhood". ND has no interest in bYu doing well as an
independent....infact they would like nothing more then bYu joining a
conference. Again, Y would ND be excited to have others follow their monopoly
on independence? For what ever reason you think ND is your friend....they are
not.Infact, ND is a bit upset on how bYu represented themselves
toward the Big East. They really would like bYu to join the Bigeast as a
standard football member and leave them to what they do best.
CougFaninTX said:".....If both BYU and ND do well, this could
open the doors for some other teams to turn independent. Navy will bow out of
their commitment to the Big East before they ever play a game, just like TCU
did. Boise and SDSU could do the same. The Big East offers them nothing without
AQ status.The playoff system will incent conferences towards smaller
conferences, not super conferences. I expect to see a move back towards 8 and 10
team conferences, so the "pot of gold" is spread among fewer
teams."Geez. Here we go again with playing follow the leader.
Teams are not going to join the independent bandwagon. Besides why would BYU
want other schools competing for its WAC teams? Gotta keep hat WAC legacy going!
More independent teams would mean BYU would be forced to schedule D-2 teams to
fill out their schedule. Do you want that? Hey! Anything for a 10 win season and
a top 23-25 finish in the polls right?
Y Grad Pumping GasAh, but hope springs eternal. Keep pumping that
gas, do it well enough and maybe someday you'll have hope too.
Y Dad / Y GradA lot of time and energy to go watch two "Y"
losses.I wonder if Notre Dame can beat a 44 point spread.
Title: Going to Notre Dame is more than a game, it's an experience.How many schools say that about BYU?None.BYU
Notre Dame of the West? I don't think so.
In the spirit of great fans, I just want to say that I love you cougar fans.
May your team have a great season. Now, I would like to ask you what you have
against kids who come from trailer parks? Isn't that the American dream?
To rise up from humble beginnings and get a college education? What do you have
against beer? I drink only good quality beers. I have never poured a beer on
an opposing fan who didn't deserve it.Have a great football
Knutson says that the Y and Notre Dame have a lot in common in the article. The
only thing both teams have in common is that they are both religious schools,
and they are both independent. That is where the comparisons end. BYU has much
more in common these days with Arma and Navy. Both of those teams would give BYU
a home and home. Notre Dame, Texas, etc will not. Hopefully the Y can make a
game out of it. I dont think that Riley will be the starting QB at that point of
the season. He will get dinged up before then, and if he is still in the game
without an injury, he is mentally tough, a gamer, and a great guy, but not a
great QB against good teams. I guess we will see though. That is why we play the
CouginTX, yours is certainly a unique theory. Teams move to independence (BYU)
when they can do better than being in a conference (MWC). I don't know the
numbers for SDSU, but I cannot imagine that they could pull down more dollars
going independent than skimming off the Big East.Is your theory that
there would suddenly be a bunch of independent teams because they got booted
from a conference, or because they find independence profitable?The
Big 12 is quite happy with 10 members, so you are correct if you said they
won't expand. But I have a hard time seeing the SEC, Big 10, ACC, and
others kicking out members. Your theory ignores existing conference and
television contracts. Booting members risks litigation and voided contracts,
all of which reduce the pot of gold.
It sounds like all of us in the state of Utah could learn from Notre Dame fans.
They have tough rivalry games almost every week and still manage to keep the
focus on football and good sportsmanship. Maybe one day we'll be able to
have games against each other in this state and still be able to congratulate
each other on a good contest. I'm sure Notre Dame fans aren't perfect
but they certainly are light years ahead of all of us.
I was also at the game in 2005. Sorry but I was rooting for the Irish. While
raising my four sons I instilled in them a deep seeded hatred for Notre Dame -
"What college team gets their own TV network? (NBC). Then my oldest son was
given a fellowship to the ND graduate school where he earned his doctorate
degree. I can't even calculate how much money that was worth but the
experience he had attending school there, and our experience in visiting him and
his family - and going to a couple of football games - has turned me 180
degrees. Now I'm a huge fan. I'm also a BYU fan, especially in the
Lavell Edwards era, but I'll probably be rooting for the Irish in this
years's game. Either way, it should be a great rivalry over the
next few seasons. Good luck to both teams.And by the way, all the
friendliness and tradition that everyone in this article mnentioned are totally
Aaah. Best friends forever. Please take care of us and takes us under your
large, wealthy, influential wings as we need more friends right now. And please
do it in November. Oh and please make it a home and home. And please make sure
it doesn't interfere with important dates like the deer hunt, conference or
EFY. . Oh and please make sure we are on NBC. We have a truck you know just in
case NBC does not have one.
Assuming both BYU and Notre Dame remain independent, I expect this series to
continue beyond the 2020 season. I can see it becoming an annual event. Assuming the proposed playoff system (Top 4 teams chosen by a selection
committee) is ratified by the college presidents, I expect to see another wave
of conference realignment. If both BYU and ND do well, this could
open the doors for some other teams to turn independent. Navy will bow out of
their commitment to the Big East before they ever play a game, just like TCU
did. Boise and SDSU could do the same. The Big East offers them nothing
without AQ status.The playoff system will incent conferences towards
smaller conferences, not super conferences. I expect to see a move back towards
8 and 10 team conferences, so the "pot of gold" is spread among fewer
teams. I also see teams strengthening their non-conference games
and eliminating the cupcakes, to increase their strength of schedule which will
be heavily weighted by the selection committee. Whit may want to re-think his
plans about leaving BYU in the dust to add another game against Cupcake U.
Have attended two BYU games at ND- each was a remarkable experience- respectful
fans- great ushers that had one purpose- make sure your game day experience was
the best- have attended games in Provo for years but must admit I have never
had a game day experience even remotely close to those at ND in Provo- we can
learn much from them on how to put on a show and make it a wonderful experience
for all fans no matter who you want to win- their band played the BYU fight song
prior to the game- learned and played while we sang along- very cool
What a great introductory article. Couldn't help but think of the contrast
of this college spirit with that of BYU-Utah games. I hope that the BYU-Notre
Dane game comes to replace the former in-state series. May Cougar fans be as
hospitable as those of South Bend.
Went there with our team a few years ago. Must admit I am not a big Notre Dame
fan, didn't want to like the place, etc... but I cam away with a world of
respect for the place and its fans. The place just oozes tradition. If you get
the change, go. Don't think about it..... just do it. For any sports fan,
seeing a game there should be on your bucket list.Still not a Notre
Dame fan, but I have a new respect for the program and its history. And
extremely nice fans.
I though that I was cool for arranging my work schedule so I could attend the
Utah game. My son trumped me with the announcement that he and his wife would
be attending the Notre Dame game. Hopefully both resounding victories!Go cougars!!
Although I haven't been to a game at Notre Dame Stadium, yet, I
still have my "Heaven on Earth, BYU 21 Notre Dame 14"t-shirt from the 1994 game.I'm looking forward to
renewing the BYU-Notre Dame series.