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Published: Sunday, June 24 2012 12:00 a.m. MDT

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RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@Worf;

Please, what "special rights and benefits" are we asking for? We're asking for nothing more than what any heterosexual couple is getting from the state. There is nothing "special" about that. It's simply equal.

RanchHand
Huntsville, UT

@procuradorfiscal;

I do think its OKAY for you to disagree. It is NOT okay to deny us the same privileges and benefits that you partake of from our government through the legal contract of marriage.

What you're saying with your last paragraph, is that it is OKAY for you to deny us OUR "freedom of conscience" but it is NOT OKAY for us to expect to be treated equally in the secular arena.

As long as an organization (secular or religious) is taking public money then they can't discriminate against Americans (some of whom) are providing that money. When you get a tax break for a pavilion you rent out, you have to also rent to glbt Americans as well. When you start a business you have to abide by non-discrimination laws. There is nothing about "freedom of conscience" - you CHOOSE to do these things, therefore you CHOOSE to accept the legal requirements - that is where your conscience comes in. If you can't/won't accept those requirements, you do not accept the tax breaks or go into business.

procuradorfiscal
Tooele, UT

Re: ". . . you CHOOSE to do these things, therefore you CHOOSE to accept the legal requirements . . . ."

Hmmmmmm. Your choices determine legal outcomes.

Thanks for making my point.

worf
Mcallen, TX

RanchHand,

Special rights and benefits? Who knows?

The ones you guys protest, march, and call people racist for. The ones from legalizing marriage.

People don't do these things without wanting something. Special rights and benefits.

MoliterManus
SLC, UT

Where in the New Testament does Jesus condemn homosexuality?

Kevin J. Kirkham
Salt Lake City, UT

Wasn't it Satan who hated the idea that people had the right to "choose for thyself, for it is given unto thee"; and sought to destroy man's agency by forcing us to act as we should rather than as we wanted to? What does Mero believe?

Brigham Young said that he would only infringe upon someone's agency via a good word and a good example. What does Mero believe?

If people don't have the right to sin, then their agency is infringed.

Gays aren't looking for special rights anymore than Christians are asking for special rights in Saudi Arabia for wanting to build churches. They aren't asking to be free from consequences. They WANT those consequences. They aren't forcing us to label them as moral any more than LDS are trying to force Evangelicals to quit referring to us as a cult.

Supporting Prop. 8 violated 1 Cor 10:29. This can't be explained away or ignored.

Why do so many people wish to abandon what the scriptures say and then embrace Satan by denying agency via imposed force?

Linus
Bountiful, UT

Isn't it sad that GLBT activists can't be happy with society's tolerance. When I was young, sodomy was a crime. Such private behavior is no longer criminal. Couldn't you folks just take a generation or two enjoying your new-found freedom? Why must you leap all the way to preferential treatment and the hijacking of Society's most sacred institution? You have been offered "civil unions" in many locations. Even a civil union puts you ahead of a great many heterosexual couples. A large percentage of "committed" heterosexual couples live together without marriage or any other kind of formal, legal recognition. What make you better than they? Why can't you see that society has offered the advantages of marriage to encourage the creation of the best possible environment for the rearing of its most vulnerable and impressionable citizens. This is not just what society wants; it is what society needs.

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